What would you do to improve my side profile ? (fillers, genio, implants, etc.)

[vermicel]

I've never had any work done on my lower third. Neither orthodontics, nor orthognathics. I don't think my occlusion needs to be corrected by surgical means. And I'm not recessed in any significant way.
However ...
My bigonial width could be improved. My gonions are quite weak, offering no angularity.
My mandible is rather short.
My chin lacks a bit of oblique projection, simmetry, and squareness.

At this point in time, I'm considering fixing these relatively minor flaws with fillers. Just to see what I look like then, so I can ponder whether more radical procedures would be worth the trouble or not.

Based on the side profile pic below, what would you go for ? Fillers ? Genio ? Mini wing ? Implants ? A combination ?
Do you see anything else worth hardmaxxing ? (I'm strongly considering some fat grafting to the eye area, see list below)

Gif for a more dramatic impression :

Here goes my current looksmaxxing planning for 2026-2027 (from top to bottom of the face) :

-fat grafting to reduce UEE and to fill up a slight hollowness under the eyes
-revision rhinoplasty, mostly for functional reasons
-braces (Invisalign)
-fillers (?) to increase gonial mass & angularity
-fillers (?) to correct chin asymmetry and increase its volume & angularity

 

[LEFORT17]

I've never had any work done on my lower third. Neither orthodontics, nor orthognathics. I don't think my occlusion needs to be corrected by surgical means. And I'm not recessed in any significant way.
However ...
My bigonial width could be improved. My gonions are quite weak, offering no angularity.
My mandible is rather short.
My chin lacks a bit of oblique projection, simmetry, and squareness.

At this point in time, I'm considering fixing these relatively minor flaws with fillers. Just to see what I look like then, so I can ponder whether more radical procedures would be worth the trouble or not.

Based on the side profile pic below, what would you go for ? Fillers ? Genio ? Mini wing ? Implants ? A combination ?
Do you see anything else worth hardmaxxing ? (I'm strongly considering some fat grafting to the eye area, see list below)

View attachment 4375975

Gif for a more dramatic impression :

View attachment 4375981

Here goes my current looksmaxxing planning for 2026-2027 (from top to bottom of the face) :

-fat grafting to reduce UEE and to fill up a slight hollowness under the eyes
-revision rhinoplasty, mostly for functional reasons
-braces (Invisalign)
-fillers (?) to increase gonial mass & angularity
-fillers (?) to correct chin asymmetry and increase its volume & angularity

brainfucked

 

[vermicel]

brainfucked

Not everyone has to be an extreme case to justify hardmaxxing. There's definitely room for improvement and I'm willing to take reasonable action to address minor & moderate flaws.
Also, you're only judging by the side profile ; some of the flaws listed above definitely impact my front profile.

I'm an oldcel. This is my last shot at glory.

 

[LEFORT17]

Not everyone has to be an extreme case to justify hardmaxxing. There's definitely room for improvement and I'm willing to take reasonable action to address minor & moderate flaws.
Also, you're only judging by the side profile ; some of the flaws listed above definitely impact my front profile.

I'm an oldcel. This is my last shot at glory.

realistically gonial would ascend the side, but got some complications if ur unlucky. front obv cant tell, if you think you are a fat graft, go for it and invisalign is something smart to do.

 

[lurking truecel]

He fell for the giga chad meme, and if anything you do want to make chin smaller

 

[vermicel]

He fell for the giga chad meme

I'm just trying to walk in the steps of my idol, Clav. And as I can't afford going to Giant, here I am considering inferior options ...

 

[lurking truecel]

I'm just trying to walk in the steps of my idol, Clav. And as I can't afford going to Giant, here I am considering inferior options ...

Yea and clav hasnt done anything under the knife and rely on youthful health markers the most. And ofc already good bones and leanness. And yes giant being superior then other doctors is hard to say as he has few result out there

 

[vermicel]

I was obviously joking, bruh
I actually could afford going to Giant, but I'm too old for this shit. His approach is way too extreme, too risky for me. And unlike most 20 year olds, I truly think of the long term consequences, including how facial bones naturally evolve with advanced aging (general resorption). Also, my disappointing rhinoplasty (it doesn't show from the side) definitely taught me a lesson.

 

[LEFORT17]

I was obviously joking, bruh
I actually could afford going to Giant, but I'm too old for this shit. His approach is way too extreme, too risky for me. And unlike most 20 year olds, I truly think of the long term consequences, including how facial bones naturally evolve with advanced aging (general resorption). Also, my disappointing rhinoplasty (it doesn't show from the side) definitely taught me a lesson.

what happened to the nose?

 

[vermicel]

what happened to the nose?

(The surgeon sutured the inside of my nose too tightly, right above the alar crease, to get a more defined bridge. As a consequence, I can barely breathe on one side, and it has also impaired the other. It's like having a constantly stuffed nose and/or a constant sinusitis. It generates headaches and crusty mucus deposits that I have to frequently expel by blowing my nose. And it has obviously deteriorated my sleep. It fucking sucks. I had no functional issue prior to that surgery.)

 

[LEFORT17]

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(The surgeon sutured the inside of my nose too tightly, right above the alar crease, to get a more defined bridge. As a consequence, I can barely breathe on one side, and it has also impaired the other. It's like having a constantly stuffed nose and/or a constant sinusitis. It generates headaches and crusty mucus deposits that I have to frequently expel by blowing my nose. And it has obviously deteriorated my sleep. It fucking sucks. I had no functional issue prior to that surgery.)

so u wanted a smaller nose and got fucked damn

 

[Aqualad]

Anything other than filler will be too much imo

 

[monecel]

You don't need to change anything. Your chin is already ideal/slightly overadvanced. The only thing you may benefit from is a slight gonial flaring which implants could be used for however you don't need much more ramus height.

 

[vermicel]

Thank you guys for the feedback.

I don't think I was clenching my teeth when that photo was taken. Maybe I was even jutting a little, hence your comments about the chin being slightly overprojected or almost too prominent, when in reality I don't think it is. Certainly not from the front anyway.

I'm sort of a MTN version of Brody Jenner. Similar pheno (with green eyes and slightly darker hair though), similar eyebrows and eyelashes ... but his front profile mogs mine to oblivion, because his bone mass & bone structure are vastly superior, which gives him very good width ratios and angularity. He's also got a better nose, and less UEE. I wonder if he ever did anything to his face ; his midface sometimes looked very full (fillers maybe ?).
If the planned procedures bring me closer to his level, I'll be very happy.

A relatively close rendition of my face on the right. Severely mogged by the one on the left.

 

[JeanAgueli]

HTN+ side profile. Very aesthetically pleasing. I can't see the front obviously, but I would honestly see you as a Chadlite overall if anything.

 

[vermicel]

HTN+ side profile. Very aesthetically pleasing. I can't see the front obviously, but I would honestly see you as a Chadlite overall if anything.

While I appreciate the kind words, I think you are definitely overrating me.

To me, "chadlite" is a top 1 % face, which starts at the 7/10 mark (based on FaceIQ's stats).
In other words, the chadlite & chad ranges are statistical oddities.
I could/would never attribute such an aesthetic achievement to my face (unfortunately).

If I had to rate myself (warning : I could be really off) : the side profile is at best 6.0-6.25/10, top 25-20 %, lhtn worthy. While my front profile is inferior, around the 5.75-6.0 mark (top 30-25 %, hmtn). My height, 1.85m/6'1 is top 15 % for my location (Western Europe). My physique peaked around top ~5 % when I used to be a gymcel. So, thanks to height and body halo (and a compounding effect), my best overall rating would have been somewhere in the 6.25-6.5 range (top 20-15 %, lhtn-mhtn). It was enough to get frequent and sometimes crazy validation. So not complaining.

Due to personal issues and natural ageing, I'm now past my prime, so I've got to contextualize my ambitions within that new frame. I think that within my age bracket (oldcels), with some discipline and a few procedures mentioned in this thread, I can reach again the top 15 % aesthetics (6.5/10), if not a bit higher (~6.75, top 10-5 %), due to the high number of men letting themselves go, getting fat, losing their hair, ageing poorly after years of cumulative stress (wageslaving, foids, divorce, alcohol, drugs, bad diet, excessive tanning, etc.), and simply reaching the point where average genetics break down.

I don't feel like posting a clear & current front profile, so here's a shitty quality 3/4 profile to give a rough idea where I'm standing at. Gotta look past the home-made hair cut ( I'm a shut-in, so I never go to the hair dresser ; will try to change that shortly) and beardfraud. Also wearing a telnyashka as pyjamas

By the way, I have analyzed my side profile with most existing ratios. This made me realize that my nasolabial and mentolabial angles are both off. I can't really be bothered with the latter, but the former should be addressed with the planned revision rhinoplasty.
I should also lose ~5kg/12lbs to lean out and improve the submental region. On the side profile picture, I was ~85kg/190lbs and quite jacked, but, in hindsight, a leaner physique could have been even better and within my reach. Now, I'm the same weight and less fit, so definitely gotta lose those 5kg/12lbs. I don't plan on ever getting super lean (as in model-tier lean), because it's probably annoying to maintain, and I enjoy walking around with a broader frame.

Modified morph with ideal nasolabial & mentolabial angles, and reduced submental fat :

At this point, I stick by the following list for 2026-2027 :
- revision rhinoplasty
- fat grafting to the upper eyelid & undereyes
- fillers to flare the gonions and square off the chin
- invisalign

+ some skin care laser(s). But this may be a softmax rather than a hardmax.

 

[adarsh arya]

Yea and clav hasnt done anything under the knife and rely on youthful health markers the most. And ofc already good bones and leanness. And yes giant being superior then other doctors is hard to say as he has few result out there

man u were shitting on giant last time i was on this site and now u are praising him here and there making me doubt if i did good choosing ram for infra-malar implants

 

[+RCisAspie]

I was obviously joking, bruh
I actually could afford going to Giant, but I'm too old for this shit. His approach is way too extreme, too risky for me. And unlike most 20 year olds, I truly think of the long term consequences, including how facial bones naturally evolve with advanced aging (general resorption). Also, my disappointing rhinoplasty (it doesn't show from the side) definitely taught me a lesson.

Peek jaw implant just imagine how mog it would be Stacy IOIs daily, just look at implant b and afters

 

[vermicel]

No, thanks. I'll stick to fillers. More control over the result, immediate improvement, reversible, cheaper, safer (if done well, obviously).

On a side note : if LL didn't cost 50K, and rather 20-25K, I would probably go ahead with it. It could take me from 1.85m/6'1 to 1.90-1.93m/6'3-6'4 (~1.95m/6'5 with shoes on, no lift), thus making me effectively tall anywhere in the western world.

I could even justify it based on my current proportions : my legs are rather short for my height (I wear trousers in 30" length, instead of a more common L32) ; and I have very large feet (US13/EU47-48), more commonly seen on men around 6'5. As a consequence, many shoes look goofy on me. And my shorter legs make me look less tall than I am. Pay attention to models (in the 6'1-6'2 range) : many have longer legs, in relation to their torso. That stretches them visually, and makes them appear taller, more slender, and more elegant.

 

[kaydd]

While I appreciate the kind words, I think you are definitely overrating me.

To me, "chadlite" is a top 1 % face, which starts at the 7/10 mark (based on FaceIQ's stats).
In other words, the chadlite & chad ranges are statistical oddities.
I could/would never attribute such an aesthetic achievement to my face (unfortunately).

If I had to rate myself (warning : I could be really off) : the side profile is at best 6.0-6.25/10, top 25-20 %, lhtn worthy. While my front profile is inferior, around the 5.75-6.0 mark (top 30-25 %, hmtn). My height, 1.85m/6'1 is top 15 % for my location (Western Europe). My physique peaked around top ~5 % when I used to be a gymcel. So, thanks to height and body halo (and a compounding effect), my best overall rating would have been somewhere in the 6.25-6.5 range (top 20-15 %, lhtn-mhtn). It was enough to get frequent and sometimes crazy validation. So not complaining.

Due to personal issues and natural ageing, I'm now past my prime, so I've got to contextualize my ambitions within that new frame. I think that within my age bracket (oldcels), with some discipline and a few procedures mentioned in this thread, I can reach again the top 15 % aesthetics (6.5/10), if not a bit higher (~6.75, top 10-5 %), due to the high number of men letting themselves go, getting fat, losing their hair, ageing poorly after years of cumulative stress (wageslaving, foids, divorce, alcohol, drugs, bad diet, excessive tanning, etc.), and simply reaching the point where average genetics break down.

I don't feel like posting a clear & current front profile, so here's a shitty quality 3/4 profile to give a rough idea where I'm standing at. Gotta look past the home-made hair cut ( I'm a shut-in, so I never go to the hair dresser ; will try to change that shortly) and beardfraud. Also wearing a telnyashka as pyjamas

View attachment 4433733

By the way, I have analyzed my side profile with most existing ratios. This made me realize that my nasolabial and mentolabial angles are both off. I can't really be bothered with the latter, but the former should be addressed with the planned revision rhinoplasty.
I should also lose ~5kg/12lbs to lean out and improve the submental region. On the side profile picture, I was ~85kg/190lbs and quite jacked, but, in hindsight, a leaner physique could have been even better and within my reach. Now, I'm the same weight and less fit, so definitely gotta lose those 5kg/12lbs. I don't plan on ever getting super lean (as in model-tier lean), because it's probably annoying to maintain, and I enjoy walking around with a broader frame.

Modified morph with ideal nasolabial & mentolabial angles, and reduced submental fat :


View attachment 4433820

At this point, I stick by the following list for 2026-2027 :
- revision rhinoplasty
- fat grafting to the upper eyelid & undereyes
- fillers to flare the gonions and square off the chin
- invisalign

+ some skin care laser(s). But this may be a softmax rather than a hardmax.

Very aesthetically pleasing face unc, you ever thought of geomaxxing?

 

[vermicel]

you ever thought of geomaxxing

just be a chad in Mumbai theory

One of the upsetting things about my looks, is that I'm not perceived as a typical Frenchman when travelling abroad. I usually get confused as Italian. When in Turkey, people even addressed me directly in Turkish, because I probably passed as a Turk of Greek descent (with a beard on).
The weird thing is that my ethnicity is not even Med, but nearly 100 % Celt(id).
Not really a big deal, even though I sometimes feel robbed of my identity.

With my pheno and features, I seem to be more attractive to Med, Slavic and Latina women. I don't think I would match eastern Asian women's expectations of a White man (ideally, they prefer lighter hair, clean shaven, and stereotypical Germanic/Nordic/Anglo types).
Anyway, I'm not looking for pointless sexual promiscuity, and I'm not keen on extreme race-mixing. So if I had to geomaxx with women in mind, I would consider eastern Europe, and seek a ltr with a rather trad local female. To tell you the truth, I was precisely doing some location scouting across eastern Europe when Covid and the war in Ukraine both hit, which pushed me to fly back home and delayed my plan. Maybe some parts of South America would work out for me too (Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, southern Brazil), but I haven't given it much thought, and have never set a foot there.

Thanks for the compliment btw, appreciated !

 

[kaydd]

I don't think I would match eastern Asian women's expectations of a White man (ideally, they prefer lighter hair, clean shaven, and stereotypical Germanic/Nordic/Anglo types).

you say that like you cant just shave your beard and still remain a chad

 

[kaydd]

just be a chad in Mumbai theory

One of the upsetting things about my looks, is that I'm not perceived as a typical Frenchman when travelling abroad. I usually get confused as Italian. When in Turkey, people even addressed me directly in Turkish, because I probably passed as a Turk of Greek descent (with a beard on).
The weird thing is that my ethnicity is not even Med, but nearly 100 % Celt(id).
Not really a big deal, even though I sometimes feel robbed of my identity.

With my pheno and features, I seem to be more attractive to Med, Slavic and Latina women. I don't think I would match eastern Asian women's expectations of a White man (ideally, they prefer lighter hair, clean shaven, and stereotypical Germanic/Nordic/Anglo types).
Anyway, I'm not looking for pointless sexual promiscuity, and I'm not keen on extreme race-mixing. So if I had to geomaxx with women in mind, I would consider eastern Europe, and seek a ltr with a rather trad local female. To tell you the truth, I was precisely doing some location scouting across eastern Europe when Covid and the war in Ukraine both hit, which pushed me to fly back home and delayed my plan. Maybe some parts of South America would work out for me too (Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, southern Brazil), but I haven't given it much thought, and have never set a foot there.

Thanks for the compliment btw, appreciated !

Im kinda curious onto why your looksmaxing then? May sound kinda shallow but are you really doing this for one woman in mind?
Race mixing would mean to breed them, having fun sex with different people with ease is a privilege i wouldnt try to miss out on tbh.

 

[vermicel]

you say that like you cant just shave your beard and still remain a chad

Nah, not a chad (I wish !). And staying clean shaven is just too much of a hassle.

Im kinda curious onto why your looksmaxing then? May sound kinda shallow but are you really doing this for one woman in mind?
Race mixing would mean to breed them, having fun sex with different people with ease is a privilege i wouldnt try to miss out on tbh.

Let's call it a vanity project. And, even before BP content rationalized it, I've always been aware of the general impact of good looks, not just with women, but in all social matters. For example, you come across as more trustworthy and more capable, even to other males. I've experienced this benefit to a limited extent.
I'm unfortunately very insecure about my looks, and have some good reasons to feel that way. Don't be fooled by a couple of pictures.
So the point of looksmaxxing would be to reduce that insecurity, to allow me to live in a more carefree way, and to gain back the capacity to be intimate with a woman (I have remained single for years now, due to both insecurity and poor past experiences).

As for "having fun sex with different people" : it would mean actively participating in a system I really dislike. When you sleep with a woman "for fun", you basically damage her a little, and yourself as well in the process. And, further down the line, another man will pay the price of your thoughtlessness. I'm not even religious — so I can't claim the transcendental argument for morals —, yet I believe we should control our urges and encourage some form of chastity, for both men and women, because it benefits social cohesion. Paradoxically, sexual promiscuity requires advanced social skills for antisocial ends. It's self-destructive and perverse.
I guess I'm speaking from a place of relative privilege, because I had girlfriends in my young formative years, in accordance with normies' standards. So I have no deep-seated frustration in that regard. My current long-term celibacy would probably feel different, had I not had those "normal" experiences as a teen and young adult.
Anyway, sex by itself is overrated most of the time, not worth all the efforts one might consider in that pursuit (like hardmaxxing), and I'm at a point in life where the company of a woman would be worthwile mostly for reproductive purposes. "Fun sex" wouldn't cut it.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Nah, not a chad (I wish !). And staying clean shaven is just too much of a hassle.


Let's call it a vanity project. And, even before BP content rationalized it, I've always been aware of the general impact of good looks, not just with women, but in all social matters. For example, you come across as more trustworthy and more capable, even to other males. I've experienced this benefit to a limited extent.
I'm unfortunately very insecure about my looks, and have some good reasons to feel that way. Don't be fooled by a couple of pictures.
So the point of looksmaxxing would be to reduce that insecurity, to allow me to live in a more carefree way, and to gain back the capacity to be intimate with a woman (I have remained single for years now, due to both insecurity and poor past experiences).

As for "having fun sex with different people" : it would mean actively participating in a system I really dislike. When you sleep with a woman "for fun", you basically damage her a little, and yourself as well in the process. And, further down the line, another man will pay the price of your thoughtlessness. I'm not even religious — so I can't claim the transcendental argument for morals —, yet I believe we should control our urges and encourage some form of chastity, for both men and women, because it benefits social cohesion. Paradoxically, sexual promiscuity requires advanced social skills for antisocial ends. It's self-destructive and perverse.
I guess I'm speaking from a place of relative privilege, because I had girlfriends in my young formative years, in accordance with normies' standards. So I have no deep-seated frustration in that regard. My current long-term celibacy would probably feel different, had I not had those "normal" experiences as a teen and young adult.
Anyway, sex by itself is overrated most of the time, not worth all the efforts one might consider in that pursuit (like hardmaxxing), and I'm at a point in life where the company of a woman would be worthwile mostly for reproductive purposes. "Fun sex" wouldn't cut it.

Not saying you’re not making sense, cuz what you say is mostly true.

But you should probably lower innhib tbh.
would you consider yourself ND?

 

[vermicel]

would you consider yourself ND?

I've never been to a shrink. If I had to self-diagnose, I would say I'm a textbook schizoid. Super dysfunctional, unable to execute plenty of small mundane tasks that even people of below average intelligence would never struggle with. Which has caused a general failure in life. I can still put on a mask every now and then when circumstances require it, but it bears no long-lasting effect, and it exhausts me.
So, yeah, most likely ND.


@kaydd out of curiosity, I used the free trial on FaceIQ's app. It rated my side profile (posted in this thread) top 0.2 % 8.5/10 harmony score despite the unability to assess the cranium (beanie + cropped pic). After all, you are right : I am a chad ... nah, the app is obviously spitting nonsense.

While I'm at it, here's a recent front profile pic, or almost (head is slightly rotated, so it's not a pure front profile).
The inward gonions absolutely nerf my jawline. It's like a piece is missing.
I hadn't noticed until now, but my eyes are actually quite close set. Well, I'll just keep living with that flaw
I'm older on this pic than on the two others previously posted. My eyebrows are now set a bit lower on the bridge, my eyes are a bit deeper set, and my upper eyelids have naturally gotten more hooded. Some fat grafting will still improve my supras.

As said before, I'm an oldcel. Can you guess my actual age ?

 

[kaydd]

As said before, I'm an oldcel. Can you guess my actual age ?

Couldn't stop yourself from morphing for no fucking reason


. At least 25+? Your damn beard fucking me up. Why do you have that since your jaw looks ideal from the side.
At least the ipd isnt death tier. It still harmonizes with your face imo, if i can recall, you said you had rhino done? Any other work other than that?

Also your eyes by themselves are amazing.
Idk about the world but your def top 0.2% in the forum unc, maybe faceiq set it up that way

 

[vermicel]

At least 25+?

I'm in my 40s ...
Old enough to be your father
Same age as Henry Cavill actually.
When I say oldcel and this is my last rodeo, I really mean it.
Side profile pic was taken nearly 20 years ago, when I was 23yo. Pic with the striped top, I was 26yo. And last pic was taken last year, when I was 41yo. Oddly enough, I haven't changed that much in the past 20 yo. Of course, I have lost the glow of youth that you experience around 20yo, but my skin isn't showing major signs of ageing yet (despite a total lack of skin care routine btw). No sagginess, no deep wrinkles, no eyebags or really advanced periorbital hollowness, no nasolabial folds. Just minor crow's feet that show when I smile, and a growing number of white hairs around the chin and behind the temples. A foid told me a few years ago that I reminded her of Jared Leto I wouldn't mind ageing like that faggot.

@Foreverbrad by comparison, you can now be considered a young lad on this forum ... rejoyce

Your damn beard fucking me up. Why do you have that since your jaw looks ideal from the side.

What do you mean ? What's wrong with my beard ?

By the way, I let it grow 6+ months while hardcore NEETing 2 years ago, and found it to be quite gross (everything you drink gets in the moustache). On the plus side, it concealed my inward gonions. But never again.

Spoiler: beard

if i can recall, you said you had rhino done? Any other work other than that?

Yes, a rhino, nearly 20 years ago. No other work done. No botox, no laser, no nothing.

Idk about the world but your def top 0.2% in the forum unc, maybe faceiq set it up that way

No way, even just on the forum. Top 0.2 % is 1 in 500. There's no way my side profile (or any of my profiles) ranks that high. I'm not faking humbleness ; it's just really not a reasonable rating.

FaceIQ was/is an .org user. Maybe just a lurker, idk. A few months ago, he was openly considering having his canthoplasty done in Thailand, at the clinic frequently mentioned here.

At least the ipd isnt death tier. It still harmonizes with your face imo

Yeah, it had never gotten my attention until now tbh. While morphing this pic, I noticed how my nostrils were flaring out too far away from the medial canthus, despite my nose not being super wide. I'll have to check it out on other pictures.
Here's a thread that might hold the explanation for why it doesn't automatically ruin one's facial harmony :

IPD/ES RATIO/EME ANGLE is borderline meaningless for harmony

IPD, ESRATIO and EME angle have a moderate impact at best on facial harmony. There are other major factors that impact the impression we get conscerning the eyes spacing on someones face, mostly EYEBROW SPACING and NASAL BRIDGE/NASION DEFINITION. I saw alot of people wondering how someone with...

looksmax.org

I saw alot of people wondering how someone with such a bad ESratio as Zac Efron could still look harmonic, and a bad eme angle/midfacial ratio like Ian Sommerhalder's... the reason they have still good eye areas is because they have WIDE eye brows, that extend far beyond the outer border of the eye, which tricks our minds into thinking that their eyes are wider spaced than what they actually are, which those retarded ratios like ES RATIOS and MIDFACIAL RATIO cannot detect at all.

Saved by the eyebrows.

 

[kaydd]

When I say oldcel and this is my last rodeo, I really mean it.
Side profile pic was taken nearly 20 years ago, when I was 23yo. Pic with the striped top, I was 26yo. And last pic was taken last year, when I was 41yo. Oddly enough, I haven't changed that much in the past 20 yo. Of course, I have lost the glow of youth that you experience around 20yo, but my skin isn't showing major signs of ageing yet (despite a total lack of skin care routine btw). No sagginess, no deep wrinkles, no eyebags or really advanced periorbital hollowness, no nasolabial folds. Just minor crow's feet that show when I smile, and a growing number of white hairs around the chin and behind the temples. A foid told me a few years ago that I reminded her of Jared Leto I wouldn't mind ageing like that faggot.

Jesus. whats stopping you from settling down and shit? Unless something tragic happend.
Maybe this is just a hobby to you? Apologies if I'm pushing it, but its just kinda
fascinating everytime to see someone in your age bracket in these spaces, but sure theres a lot like you.
But the obvious difference with you is that your actually good looking


Props to you for caring yourself so far to have none of those

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Yeah, it had never gotten my attention until now tbh. While morphing this pic, I noticed how my nostrils were flaring out too far away from the medial canthus, despite my nose not being super wide. I'll have to check it out on other pictures.
Here's a thread that might hold the explanation for why it doesn't automatically ruin one's facial harmony :

IPD/ES RATIO/EME ANGLE is borderline meaningless for harmony

IPD, ESRATIO and EME angle have a moderate impact at best on facial harmony. There are other major factors that impact the impression we get conscerning the eyes spacing on someones face, mostly EYEBROW SPACING and NASAL BRIDGE/NASION DEFINITION. I saw alot of people wondering how someone with...

looksmax.org

Saved by the eyebrows.

I fucking hate how the knowledge is all over the place. Ig its a good things the normies would most likely give up in the process of finding it? idk. Do you think hardmaxxing would actually revolutionize the dating sphere faster than we think??

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

Yea and clav hasnt done anything under the knife and rely on youthful health markers the most. And ofc already good bones and leanness. And yes giant being superior then other doctors is hard to say as he has few result out there

Clav is already blessed with genetical Wide lower third

 

[lurking truecel]

Clav is already blessed with genetical Wide lower third

Yea he got good nose, jaw, decent zygos, good smile etc. He is genetically top 1 percent

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

Yea he got good nose, jaw, decent zygos, good smile etc. He is genetically top 1 percent

Yeah Whereas I need a fucking anterior cw downgraft bimax to get a good smile and jaw like him.Overbite sfs fucking nerfed me

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah Whereas I need a fucking anterior cw downgraft bimax to get a good smile and jaw like him.Overbite sfs fucking nerfed me

I mean you are lucky if you have clavs jaw after bimax

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

I mean you are lucky if you have clavs jaw after bimax

Only problem is some jaw width

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

I mean you are lucky if you have clavs jaw after bimax

At first I thought i needed ccw bimax but then I realized after some org mfs told me I need cw downgraft because of my class II smile relation,and supposedly my case creates the biggest ascensions

 

[lurking truecel]

At first I thought i needed ccw bimax but then I realized after some org mfs told me I need cw downgraft because of my class II smile relation,and supposedly my case creates the biggest ascensions

I mean it creates big ascensions because true sfs looks deformed. But of its not a bad one it doesnt make much diff apart from making the guy look a bit older

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

I mean it creates big ascensions because true sfs looks deformed. But of its not a bad one it doesnt make much diff apart from making the guy look a bit older

Check my latest post and look,you are very high iq dude so I got full trust in you

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

I mean it creates big ascensions because true sfs looks deformed. But of its not a bad one it doesnt make much diff apart from making the guy look a bit older

My smile looks deformed if I smile when I clos my overbite

 

[lurking truecel]

Check my latest post and look,you are very high iq dude so I got full trust in you

My smile looks deformed if I smile when I clos my overbite

I mean yea, you will ascend, your lower third is compressed. Hard to say how bad your overbite is tho, and how much advancement you can get. You need ct scans

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

I mean yea, you will ascend, your lower third is compressed. Hard to say how bad your overbite is tho, and how much advancement you can get. You need ct scans

I have 100% full overbite

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

I mean yea, you will ascend, your lower third is compressed. Hard to say how bad your overbite is tho, and how much advancement you can get. You need ct scans

What about my deep fold,Is there a chance I will get a chin like clav?

 

[lurking truecel]

What about my deep fold,Is there a chance I will get a chin like clav?

Yea prob, but like i said it depends on like so many factors. You should get your teeth and checked and start doing decomp because its prob 1-2 years in braces before bimax atleast. You chin needs some dowgraft

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

Yea prob, but like i said it depends on like so many factors. You should get your teeth and checked and start doing decomp because its prob 1-2 years in braces before bimax atleast. You chin needs some dowgraft

I have 39mm intermolar width and almost no crowding ,just upper incisors are tipped inward like in classic sfs overbite and lower incisors are tilted up

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

Yea prob, but like i said it depends on like so many factors. You should get your teeth and checked and start doing decomp because its prob 1-2 years in braces before bimax atleast. You chin needs some dowgraft

Can I just straight go to random ortho in warsaw and do decomp with no surgeon referral and diagnosis?

 

[lurking truecel]

Can I just straight go to random ortho in warsaw and do decomp with no surgeon referral and diagnosis?

No but you should start the process as ots a long one. Or i mean are you gonna pay for it yourself? Because you will not get it paid

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

No but you should start the process as ots a long one. Or i mean are you gonna pay for it yourself? Because you will not get it paid

The ortho yes i will pay,but surgery idk can’t risk my whole face onto a bluepilled insurance public surgeon

 

[lurking truecel]

The ortho yes i will pay,but surgery idk can’t risk my whole face onto a bluepilled insurance public surgeon

Nah i mean you might be a easy case but you will still need to pay for someone decent

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

Nah i mean you might be a easy case but you will still need to pay for someone decent

Yeah I’m thinking Valerio Ramieri

 

[Davud.isbarxanli.04]

Nah i mean you might be a easy case but you will still need to pay for someone decent

Second pic is my side profile,dont mind the cream

 

[lurking truecel]

Second pic is my side profile,dont mind the cream

I mean send front though, because his front improved because he had wide jaw and a lot of other things before