What's the ideal amount of forward growth and maxillary rotation for men?

[Deleted member 11770]

Dogtier forward growth looks better on woman, too much forward growth is obviously not ideal for men.
Excessive CCW rotation is bad as well because it gives you a square gonial angle and reduces lower third height. What do you consider ideal?

 

[Deleted member 7509]

idk around 339 or 340

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Problem with "dog tier" is that the cranium, upper maxilla isn't forward enough for a balanced profile

this is why certain people like asians can't have that "model forward grown look" is because their maxilla, and especially cranium's aren't forward grown enough due to genetics

 

[Need2Ascend]

The real issue with "dogtier" forward growth is that it either appears that way because the skull isn't in the neutral head position OR a surgery like bimax will only bring 1 part of the face forward (lower maxilla+mandible) but not the entire face(upper maxilla+anterior cranium) resulting in a slightly uncanny appearence.

 

[Deleted member 11770]

The real issue with "dogtier" forward growth is that it either appears that way because the skull isn't in the neutral head position OR a surgery like bimax will only bring 1 part of the face forward (lower maxilla+mandible) but not the entire face(upper maxilla+anterior cranium) resulting in a slightly uncanny appearence.

Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.

 

[Deleted member 4430]

And he has good upper maxilla as well.

no he has not

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[Need2Ascend]

Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.

Can you show his whole head, looks like he's tilting slightly

 

[Deleted member 11770]

no he has not

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Strangely It looks good here, his forward growth doesn't look much above average.

And I wouldn't say negative orbital vector is necessarily something bad, people like delon, chico o'pry have and it looks good.

 

[Deleted member 11770]

Can you show his whole head, looks like he's tilting slightly

yeah it was tilted can't find the entire pic.
but we can agree that this look ridiculous and excess upper maxilla can be a bad thing:

 

[Deleted member 11770]

This ratio could be good guide to how long your mandible and maxilla would ideally be

 

[Need2Ascend]

yeah it was tilted can't find the entire pic.
but we can agree that this look ridiculous and excess upper maxilla can be a bad thing:

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That dude is a slayer, most guys would look like wimps with a buzzcut
Imagine him with good hair

 

[Deleted member 15405]

chin reacts to nasion

 

[Deleted member 11770]

That dude is a slayer, most guys would look like wimps with a buzzcut
Imagine him with good hair

yeah maybe but it looks too primitive, not ideal

 

[Deleted member 11770]

chin reacts to nasion

so it being on par the the nasion? heard that's ideal

 

[Deleted member 15405]

so it being on par the the nasion? heard that's ideal

yes thats what i just said moron

 

[Deleted member 11770]

yes thats what i just said moron

No need to be uppity you Faggot sissy

 

[Deleted member 15405]

No need to be uppity you Faggot sissy

I wanna fuk ur tight puzzy so bad meghan

 

[Deleted member 11770]

I wanna fuk ur tight puzzy so bad meghan

I'm telling my boyfriend He will beat you up

 

[Mongrelcel]

Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.

it looks amazing imo

it's like the quintessential chad look

 

[Deleted member 11770]

it looks amazing imo

it's like the quintessential chad look

I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.

Flatter profile (mild forward growth) mogs

 

[one job away]

Strangely It looks good here, his forward growth doesn't look much above average.

And I wouldn't say negative orbital vector is necessarily something bad, people like delon, chico o'pry have and it looks good.

Look at his vlogs. He has insane levels of forward growth and mandible length. Almost uncanny ape vibes

 

[one job away]

I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.

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Flatter profile (mild forward growth) mogs

Nah. Forward growth mogs but it can look uncanny.

 

[one job away]

I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.

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Flatter profile (mild forward growth) mogs

IMO looks better.

 

[JosephGarrot123]

I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.

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fuck man i have the same skull as the first guy but got ruined by a deformity/injury. It seems that skull is usually classically handsome men

 

[Deleted member 11770]

IMO looks better.

That's a typical negroid skull, not ideal for caucasians. He looks mixed

 

[one job away]

That's is a typical negroid skull, not ideal for caucasians. He looks mixed

Yeah still think it looks better on chase to be forward grown. Medium side just doesn’t stand out. When I notice ppl irl it’s due to their side profile.

 

[coolguy1]

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Problem with "dog tier" is that the cranium, upper maxilla isn't forward enough for a balanced profile

this is why certain people like asians can't have that "model forward grown look" is because their maxilla, and especially cranium's aren't forward grown enough due to genetics

Bro can u tell me in pm if my upper maxilla is good, I have xray

 

[dakchuh]

IMO looks better.

too much imo. too much forward growth makes your nasion and brow ridge look less projected from the side view and you start looking weird. its only good on women to have that much forward growth.

 

[Need2Ascend]

too much imo. too much forward growth makes your nasion and brow ridge look less projected from the side view and you start looking weird. its only good on women to have that much forward growth.

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She's just tilting her head up

Everyone has an anteface if you lift your head by like 20 degree

 

[dakchuh]

She's just tilting her head up

Everyone has an anteface if you lift your head by like 20 degree

she has great forward growth even tilting down

 

[Need2Ascend]

she has great forward growth even tilting down

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Yeah but not too much like you said

In neutral head position her glabella is on the same level as her lower maxilla, like with every normal person

 

[AscendingHero]

I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.

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Flatter profile (mild forward growth) mogs

Importance of a lowset prominent supraorbital ridge+tall protruding nasal bridge=sharp nasofrontal and deep set look

Key for upper third aesthetics paired with a good hairline