What's the ideal amount of forward growth and maxillary rotation for men?

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Dogtier forward growth looks better on woman, too much forward growth is obviously not ideal for men.
Excessive CCW rotation is bad as well because it gives you a square gonial angle and reduces lower third height. What do you consider ideal?
 
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Problem with "dog tier" is that the cranium, upper maxilla isn't forward enough for a balanced profile

this is why certain people like asians can't have that "model forward grown look" is because their maxilla, and especially cranium's aren't forward grown enough due to genetics
 
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The real issue with "dogtier" forward growth is that it either appears that way because the skull isn't in the neutral head position OR a surgery like bimax will only bring 1 part of the face forward (lower maxilla+mandible) but not the entire face(upper maxilla+anterior cranium) resulting in a slightly uncanny appearence.
 
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The real issue with "dogtier" forward growth is that it either appears that way because the skull isn't in the neutral head position OR a surgery like bimax will only bring 1 part of the face forward (lower maxilla+mandible) but not the entire face(upper maxilla+anterior cranium) resulting in a slightly uncanny appearence.
Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.
 
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Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.
Can you show his whole head, looks like he's tilting slightly
 
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no he has not

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Strangely It looks good here, his forward growth doesn't look much above average.

And I wouldn't say negative orbital vector is necessarily something bad, people like delon, chico o'pry have and it looks good.
 
Can you show his whole head, looks like he's tilting slightly
yeah it was tilted can't find the entire pic.
but we can agree that this look ridiculous and excess upper maxilla can be a bad thing:

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This ratio could be good guide to how long your mandible and maxilla would ideally be

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yeah it was tilted can't find the entire pic.
but we can agree that this look ridiculous and excess upper maxilla can be a bad thing:

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That dude is a slayer, most guys would look like wimps with a buzzcut
Imagine him with good hair
 
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chin reacts to nasion
 
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That dude is a slayer, most guys would look like wimps with a buzzcut
Imagine him with good hair
yeah maybe but it looks too primitive, not ideal
 
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Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.
it looks amazing imo

it's like the quintessential chad look
 
it looks amazing imo

it's like the quintessential chad look
I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.

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Flatter profile (mild forward growth) mogs
 
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Strangely It looks good here, his forward growth doesn't look much above average.

And I wouldn't say negative orbital vector is necessarily something bad, people like delon, chico o'pry have and it looks good.
Look at his vlogs. He has insane levels of forward growth and mandible length. Almost uncanny ape vibes
 
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That's is a typical negroid skull, not ideal for caucasians. He looks mixed
Yeah still think it looks better on chase to be forward grown. Medium side just doesn’t stand out. When I notice ppl irl it’s due to their side profile.
 
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Problem with "dog tier" is that the cranium, upper maxilla isn't forward enough for a balanced profile

this is why certain people like asians can't have that "model forward grown look" is because their maxilla, and especially cranium's aren't forward grown enough due to genetics
Bro can u tell me in pm if my upper maxilla is good, I have xray
 


IMO looks better.

too much imo. too much forward growth makes your nasion and brow ridge look less projected from the side view and you start looking weird. its only good on women to have that much forward growth.

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too much imo. too much forward growth makes your nasion and brow ridge look less projected from the side view and you start looking weird. its only good on women to have that much forward growth.

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She's just tilting her head up

Everyone has an anteface if you lift your head by like 20 degree
 
She's just tilting her head up

Everyone has an anteface if you lift your head by like 20 degree
she has great forward growth even tilting down

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