Discussion What's the ideal amount of forward growth and maxillary rotation for men?

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Dogtier forward growth looks better on woman, too much forward growth is obviously not ideal for men.
Excessive CCW rotation is bad as well because it gives you a square gonial angle and reduces lower third height. What do you consider ideal?
 
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Problem with "dog tier" is that the cranium, upper maxilla isn't forward enough for a balanced profile

this is why certain people like asians can't have that "model forward grown look" is because their maxilla, and especially cranium's aren't forward grown enough due to genetics
 
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The real issue with "dogtier" forward growth is that it either appears that way because the skull isn't in the neutral head position OR a surgery like bimax will only bring 1 part of the face forward (lower maxilla+mandible) but not the entire face(upper maxilla+anterior cranium) resulting in a slightly uncanny appearence.
 
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Need2Ascend said:
The real issue with "dogtier" forward growth is that it either appears that way because the skull isn't in the neutral head position OR a surgery like bimax will only bring 1 part of the face forward (lower maxilla+mandible) but not the entire face(upper maxilla+anterior cranium) resulting in a slightly uncanny appearence.
Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.



This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.
 
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ecstazy said:
Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.
Can you show his whole head, looks like he's tilting slightly
 
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Rupert Pupkin said:
no he has not

Infraorbital vector 404

Strangely It looks good here, his forward growth doesn't look much above average.

And I wouldn't say negative orbital vector is necessarily something bad, people like delon, chico o'pry have and it looks good.
 
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This ratio could be good guide to how long your mandible and maxilla would ideally be

 
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chin reacts to nasion
 
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Need2Ascend said:
That dude is a slayer, most guys would look like wimps with a buzzcut
Imagine him with good hair
yeah maybe but it looks too primitive, not ideal
 
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imdo said:
chin reacts to nasion
so it being on par the the nasion? heard that's ideal
 
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ecstazy said:
so it being on par the the nasion? heard that's ideal
yes thats what i just said moron
 
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imdo said:
yes thats what i just said moron
No need to be uppity you Faggot sissy
 
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ecstazy said:
No need to be uppity you Faggot sissy
I wanna fuk ur tight puzzy so bad meghan
 
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imdo said:
I wanna fuk ur tight puzzy so bad meghan
I'm telling my boyfriend:rage: He will beat you up
 
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ecstazy said:
Yeah but but excess lower maxilla projection goes pretty much always in hand with lots of forward growth. And extreme undereye support looks uncanny too in my opinion.

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This just looks primitive and feminine. And he has good upper maxilla as well.
it looks amazing imo

it's like the quintessential chad look
 
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Mongrelcel said:
it looks amazing imo

it's like the quintessential chad look
I mean let's be honest, most chads don't have near that amount growth and if they had they would probably look much worse.



Flatter profile (mild forward growth) mogs
 
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ecstazy said:
Strangely It looks good here, his forward growth doesn't look much above average.

And I wouldn't say negative orbital vector is necessarily something bad, people like delon, chico o'pry have and it looks good.
Look at his vlogs. He has insane levels of forward growth and mandible length. Almost uncanny ape vibes
 
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ecstazy said:
That's is a typical negroid skull, not ideal for caucasians. He looks mixed
Yeah still think it looks better on chase to be forward grown. Medium side just doesn’t stand out. When I notice ppl irl it’s due to their side profile.
 
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JosephGarrot123 said:
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Problem with "dog tier" is that the cranium, upper maxilla isn't forward enough for a balanced profile

this is why certain people like asians can't have that "model forward grown look" is because their maxilla, and especially cranium's aren't forward grown enough due to genetics
Bro can u tell me in pm if my upper maxilla is good, I have xray
 
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IMO looks better.
too much imo. too much forward growth makes your nasion and brow ridge look less projected from the side view and you start looking weird. its only good on women to have that much forward growth.

 
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dakchuh said:
too much imo. too much forward growth makes your nasion and brow ridge look less projected from the side view and you start looking weird. its only good on women to have that much forward growth.

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She's just tilting her head up

Everyone has an anteface if you lift your head by like 20 degree
 
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dakchuh said:
she has great forward growth even tilting down

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Yeah but not too much like you said

In neutral head position her glabella is on the same level as her lower maxilla, like with every normal person
 

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