What's the Ideal Chin projection?

[HighIQ ubermensch]

like some say e plane 4mm ahead of upper lip & 2mm ahead of lower lip

But is it better for males to have an over projected chin?
I think it improves your front a bit by providing that support below lips & enhancing your hollow cheeks

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Can this be the next best thing for improving front for a significant portion of population after rhino?

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

like some say e plane 4mm ahead of upper lip & 2mm ahead of lower lip
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But is it better for males to have an over projected chin?
I think it improves your front a bit by providing that support below lips & enhancing your hollow cheeks

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when all the side harmony measurments that include the chin are ideal and not trending feminine it would be ideal chin projection

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

when all the side harmony measurments that include the chin are ideal and not trending feminine it would be ideal chin projection

That makes no sense considering ideal is a range
What would you say if let's say middle third/ maxilla or nose is over projected or brow-ridge is under-projected causing convex profile?
Should one focus on facial convexity angle or E plane for chin?

Also the range for ideal side-profile is pretty broad
especially even more when you take in account Ante-face or some other stuff.

I'm asking about the importance & accuracy of E-Plane here

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

That makes no sense considering ideal is a range
What would you say if let's say middle third/ maxilla or nose is over projected or brow-ridge is under-projected causing convex profile?

i see

Should one focus on facial convexity angle or E plane for chin?

idk both are also influenced by other stuff.
okay then when all the side measurments are ideal and not trending feminine then it would be ideal chin projection

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

look how appealing over projected chins look compared to E-Plane chins

 

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Why were u banned

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

dk both are also influenced by other stuff.
okay then when all the side measurments are ideal and not trending feminine then it would be ideal chin projection

wdym

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

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[Cinnamon fan64]

wdym

if all the side harmony measurments are ideal + not trending feminine, then the chin projection would be ideal

 

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Someone told me u got banned cus u were a foid

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Someone told me u got banned cus u were a foid

niggas say that for everybody who gets banned

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

if all the side harmony measurments are ideal

what do you mean ideal here
which measurement you consider ideal

+ not trending feminine, then the chin projection would be ideal

no idea what you're trying to say
what do you consider feminine here?

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

what do you mean ideal here
which measurement you consider ideal

lets take the side harmony measurement "Facial convexity angle" ideal range for men is (168-176 degrees)
and if the degree of the Facial convexity angle is in the ideal range which is (168-176 degrees) then it would be ideal
example if the angle is 171° then it would be ideal

no idea what you're trying to say
what do you consider feminine here?

lets take Facial convexity angle again so the ideal range for men is (168-176 degrees)
males have a higher/flatter facial convexity angle cuz they have more projected chin and browridge
so if the degree of the angle is at the lower/rounder end of the range like "168°" it would be feminine and it would decrease from dimorphism

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

lets take the side harmony measurement "Facial convexity angle" ideal range for it for men is (168-176 degrees)
and if the degree of the angle is in the ideal range which is (168-176 degrees) then it would be ideal

no way ideal is 168-176
165-172 if anything

but even if it were true, 1mm chin projection changes convexity angle by approx 1 degree
so that's 8mm of chin projection difference that can easily change the E-Plane

lets take Facial convexity angle again so the ideal range for it for men is (168-176 degrees)
males have a higher/flatter facial convexity angle cuz they have more projected chin and browridge

I thought females had 1 degree flatter profile

so if the degree of the angle is at the lower/rounder end of the range like "168°" it would be feminine and it would decrease from dimorphism

 

[Cafu]

Over if you don’t have Hernan drago chin

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Over if you don’t have Hernan drago chin

There is probably some truth to this

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

no way ideal is 168-176
165-172 if anything

but even if it were true, 1mm chin projection changes convexity angle by approx 1 degree
so that's 8mm of chin projection difference that can easily change the E-Plane


I thought females had 1 degree flatter profile

i think ur confusing the "Facail convexity angle" with the "Total facial convexity angle"

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This is the "Facial convexity angle":

This is the "Total facial convexity angle"

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

i think ur confusing the "Facail convexity angle" with the "Total facial convexity angle"

I'm not, I think females have low maxilla depth as-well
not just talking about nasal projection

tho that's besides the topic
the measurement I'm talking about is E-Plane

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

I'm not, I think females have low maxilla depth as-well
not just talking about nasal projection

then whats the facial convexity angle to u then?

tho that's besides the topic
the measurement I'm talking about is E-Plane

okay
This is a side harmony measurement ( E-plane) that fits within the ideal range
Example of an ideal E-plane:

Now males have E-plane line that is more far away from the lips cuz they have more projected chins and thinner less protruding lips
Now if we change the E-plane to be more masculine but still ideal
It would be like this:

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

then whats the facial convexity angle to u then?

168
172+ starts to look bad

Now males have E-plane line that is more far away from the lips cuz they have more projected chins and thinner less protruding lips
Now if we change the E-plane to be more masculine but still ideal
It would be like this:

so if 4 & 2 mm is ideal for female
what do you think is ideal for males?

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

168
172+ starts to look bad

I meant this:

Or this:

so if 4 & 2 mm is ideal for female
what do you think is ideal for males?

Idk but males have lips that sit back more

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

I meant this:
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Or this:
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2nd one
Glabella, sub nasale - pogonion

I mean Damian & Delon around 166 mog JB 171 or something

Idk but males have lips that sit back more

because of chin

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

maybe not the best examples but whatever

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

I mean Damian & Delon around 166 mog JB 171 or something
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Okay i don't care about the ideal range here i was trying to explain

what do you mean ideal here
which measurement you consider ideal

no idea what you're trying to say
what do you consider feminine here?

because of chin

Yes

 

[Cinnamon fan64]

Okay i don't care about the ideal range here i was trying to explain


Yes

So to see if the chin projection is ideal
All the side harmony measurements like E-plane, facial convexity angle are ideal
And all of them don't trend towards feminine