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Unlikely they would reach that point without getting wiped outIf they're on the high end of the kardashev scale they could
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Unlikely they would reach that point without getting wiped outIf they're on the high end of the kardashev scale they could
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.Aliens have already visited Earth
It’s not about the desire to expand. It’s about the way they think which could be totally different to ours, different rules on how they behave, calculate things etc. which means they might not expand in a reckless way which would endanger their species etcYou mean I can‘t assume that they have the desire to expand?
That‘s true, but it would only need to apply to a single one of them. If they have the desire for expansion (be it for profit, xenophobia or whatever) we can assume they would do it exponentially.
Yes, but my point still stands.It’s not about the desire to expand. It’s about the way they think which could be totally different to ours, different rules on how they behave, calculate things etc. which means they might not expand in a reckless way which would endanger their species etc
Not true. There could be millions, who have that ability. Even if that’s the case the universe would still be large to an absolutely astronomical degree that they would never be able to reach another civilisation, unless they spawned very close ofc, which is highly unlikely. We’re talking about an infinite map. And if they did expand to that extent chances are they would wipe themselves out within a few centuriesYes, but my point still stands.
Humanity would definitely expand exponentially if it was feasible and profitable economically.
If we assume there are a few developed species out there, at least one of them should have that same desire. (And there is only need of 1 of them)
But we have no signs of it, so there are probably none besides us.
IQ correlates with inhibition levels, so you‘d probably get better, more insightful answers from people here than normiesNiggas on here can’t even build up the courage to speak to a ltb and u want them to solve the Fermi paradox just lol
Yes, BUT even if a species ‚only‘ managed to take over its own galaxy, it would be painfully obvious to us that their traces are of artificial origin.Not true. There could be millions, who have that ability. Even if that’s the case the universe would still be large to an absolutely astronomical degree that they would never be able to reach another civilisation, unless they spawned very close ofc, which is highly unlikely.
The universe isn‘t infiniteWe’re talking about an infinite map.
Elab? Expansion would make it more unlikely that a species gets wiped out.And if they did expand to that extent chances are they would wipe themselves out within a few centuries
The universe is infiniteYes, BUT even if a species ‚only‘ managed to take over its own galaxy, it would be painfully obvious to us that their traces are of artificial origin.
And those species probably wouldn‘t stop at their own galaxy.
The universe isn‘t infinite
Elab? Expansion would make it more unlikely that a species gets wiped out.
It just points out that if the universe wasn’t so finely tuned for life, then you wouldn’t be alive to experience it. The only time you experience the universe is when it is finely tuned for life to allow you to experience it.then u didnt explain it properlyfgt
Atheists will say God isn’t real but then proceed to say stuff like this or say that we live in a simulation.I do believe aliens were here and dipped after creating life.
This is called "leading question".If there are so many earth-like planets out there, why haven‘t we detected any sings of life-forms on other planets?
ok?This is called "leading question".
You’re right on the filter parts, life probably exists on some other planet but we’re probably the only advanced species. Also, time is so abundant in the scale of the universe that there might have been previous civilizations but they could’ve collapsed or we might be the first ones and there are more to come in the future.
Somewhat unrelated but I recommend reading the book “All Tomorrows” by C.M. Kosemen, it touches on this type of idea. Here’s a pdf
The universe is infinite
We’re talking about more than 2 trillion galaxies. A species colonising their own galaxy means fuck all if the spread of a species is in one of the other trillions of galaxies in the universe.
Expansion makes it much more likely that they get wiped out bcuz they would need such a large population that they would likely wipe themselves out in the process.
I think you‘re talking about great filtersI think there’s a term for that it’s well known in this discussion
Outer space doesn‘t exist imo
How come?Space doesn’t exist is my solution
I haven‘t seen proof for it and there is some very fishy stuff with nasa going on. Like them claiming that they haven‘t gone back to the moon in a while cos they lost the technology or some bs. Whole moon landing thing looked like a joke. Pictures from „outer space“ and other planets can easily be faked…How come?
It‘s more like we don‘t have any reason to, there‘s nothing to gain from the moon and the whole endeavor was mainly a prestige thing.I haven‘t seen proof for it and there is some very fishy stuff with nasa going on. Like them claiming that they haven‘t gone back to the moon in a while cos they lost the technology or some bs.
Where‘s the benefit of convincing people that there is?Whole moon landing thing looked like a joke. Pictures from „outer space“ and other planets can easily be faked…
But i don‘t know at the end of the day. Could very well be real as well
Giving people a sense of insignificance in the grand scheme of things. Or something to keep them occupied with, like constantly selling them the dream „one day we will be able to visit mars“. Or to hide something else. IdkWhere‘s the benefit of convincing people that there is?
Checks out.Giving people a sense of insignificance in the grand scheme of things. Or something to keep them occupied with, like constantly selling them the dream „one day we will be able to visit mars“. Or to hide something else. Idk
Maybe i just got my brain washed by conspiracy videos. But no matter the reason, it seems realistic to me considering how easily people can get influenced by TV and social media. So it would not at all surprise me if we r being lied to about space
ExactlyIt's pretty straightforward imo: interstellar travel/communication is impossible at the scale of the rarity of intelligent life
It doesn't matterOne of my favorite topics:
If there are so many earth-like planets out there, why haven‘t we detected any sings of life-forms on other planets? Our galaxy alone contains multiple billions of rocky earth-like planets, and there are billions to trillions of other, even bigger galaxies out there.
Even if lightspeed is very slow in comparison to the vast distances of the universe, we should‘ve detected something as of now, even if life and intelligence develops very rarely.
You have to realize that even with our current technology, due to exponential expansion, it would take merely a few millions years to colonize the galaxy, which is a tiny timeframe in comparison to the age of the universe.
Even if there was only a tiny, tiny chance of life developing towards a technological civilization, we should have evidence of them everywhere. The galaxy would be full of life, because only a single species would need to make it.
But theres nothing.
So, whats your solution? Here is mine:
In order to advance to a technological civilization, life has to pass so many ‚filters‘ that it becomes rare to the point even life on Earth is insanely unlikely. We are the first and probably only, and last planet that will develop life.
From Abiogenesis, to multicellular life, to the evolution of the brain, all those chances multiplied together are such a tiny fraction that it obliterates the amount of ‚chances‘ the universe ‚gets.‘
This is not even talking about the fact that our laws of physics, if adjusted even by a tiny bit, would make the universe inhospitable. I‘m talking about the 100 decimal of physical constants.
So, the fact that I‘m even able to ponder this question is more than a miracle, which brings us to all sorts of interesting philosophical questions.
Do you seek the answer in divine revelation?
I‘m a big fan of the anthropic principle. It boils down to the following: If the universe wasn‘t like it is, I wouldn‘t even be able to ask myself this question.
Thoughts?
I’m not a big religious but the answer to this is very obvious. One of the core beliefs in Abrahamic religions is that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that god see’s everything. This implies infinity. If the universe was finite, that would imply a limitation to where god sees/ where he is present. This would go against the core fundamentals of the characteristics of god.im gonna ask you this: if god created everything, whats the purpose of such a huge universe when we‘re the only ones in it, and realistically will never expand past a tiny fraction of it?
Your argument is, I’m going to put my head in the sand and not engagemy solution is that atheism isnt true and god created the world. theres no other way there can be literally 0 aliens and earth/humanity the only semblance of life in a massive universe, unless god did it.
wdym?Sirius, Arcturus, Pleiades, Andromeda, Draco, etc. Almost certainly outside of our observable universe.
Does it? ‚Everything‘ can still be finite, doesn‘t contradict omniscience or omnipotency.I’m not a big religious but the answer to this is very obvious. One of the core beliefs in Abrahamic religions is that God is omniscient and omnipotent. This means that god see’s everything. This implies infinity.
No, even if the universe had an end, if this very universe (which is finite) altogether is ‚everything‘ god can still be omnipresent, no contradiction.If the universe was finite, that would imply a limitation to where god sees/ where he is present. This would go against the core fundamentals of the characteristics of god.
at most bacterial life, anything else would be detectablenigga we don't even know for certain if there's no life in the solar system, let alone the galaxy
Europa, Titan and even Mars could have life
The universe is expanding in all directions. What makes you think it will stop.The universe isn‘t infite.
i don’t believe that to be true. There are no examples of non existence being beyond something. So for example, if you were to say the universe is finite, fine let’s set the boundaries. Where do these boundaries come from, why can’t they be surpassed. A more simple example would be, say the universe was in a shoe box, and the walls of the box are the borders, there is still something which exists beyond those borders no? What makes you think there isn’t.even if the universe had an end, if this very universe (which is finite) altogether is ‚everything‘ god can still be omnipresent, no contradiction.
on mars bacteria yesat most bacterial life, anything else would be detectable
actually finding those lifeforms would be deeply concerning
sourceon mars bacteria yes
im aware, yet this would be detectable from. afaron Europa there could be multicellular life there is an entire ocean beneath the ice (probably)
it wouldn't, Europas ice shell is 20km deepsource
im aware, yet this would be detectable from. afar
again, if this were true, it would imply some insanely uncomfortable things
If there are so many earth-like planets out there
Yep. That’s my argument. I’m just an inferior low iq retard who can’t think, so that’s the best argument I have. Im retarded and mentally incapable. Sorry you didn’t like that.Your argument is, I’m going to put my head in the sand and not engage
biosignatures niggait wouldn't, Europas ice shell is 20km deep
It will take hours to explainHow come?
It’s fine bro. As long as you are praying to god/ following gods word, you are being grateful to the creator and that’s basically all that matters.Yep. That’s my argument. I’m just an inferior low iq retard who can’t think, so that’s the best argument I have. Im retarded and mentally incapable. Sorry you didn’t like that.
You’re right on the filter parts, life probably exists on some other planet but we’re probably the only advanced species. Also, time is so abundant in the scale of the universe that there might have been previous civilizations but they could’ve collapsed or we might be the first ones and there are more to come in the future.
Somewhat unrelated but I recommend reading the book “All Tomorrows” by C.M. Kosemen, it touches on this type of idea. Here’s a pdf