whats your strongest arguments against christianity

[william.]

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[dranja]

none

 

[Warism]

Idk & I frankly don’t care

 

[william.]

none

Idk & I frankly don’t care

bruh

 

[Aox Ofwar]

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Hail satan

 

[Warism]

bruh

Who cares brah just call out their religion for anything

 

[william.]

Who cares brah just call out their religion for anything

winning debates spikes my dopamine so i want to have good arguments.

 

[Aox Ofwar]

Hail satan

@foidletslayer my fault I forgot to capitalise Satan

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

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[awok]

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Idk, jesus was a jew?

 

[Oldcel_WageCuck]

That it’s clearly a for profit organization for those in charge

 

[william.]

Idk, jesus was a jew?

pretty good one

 

[subhuman1996]

There are none. You can’t defeat Christianity. Jesus Christ is the only truth and way to eternal life.

 

[Deleted member 272835]

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heres a good one bud idk

 

[awok]

There are none. You can’t defeat Christianity. Jesus Christ is the only truth and way to eternal life.

Yea but jeaus was a jew, I met him he told me lol

 

[Deleted member 272835]

Yea but jeaus was a jew

oy vey

 

[CkldPsycho]

offering the other cheek usually doesnt end well

 

[Saint]

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This ain’t about Christianity but religion in general. If I ask you or any religious believer “why do we exist”’and your answer most likely is to serve god and follow his commands and pray to him. My question is why would God the almighty all powerful being create an inferior race of people and make them worship him and if they don’t they will go to eternal hell. Eternal hell can’t be something an all loving god would ever do because no crime against humanity would deserve eternal hell. If he wanted to he could have created us without free will and made us obey him and worship him but why didn’t he, I was arguing with my super religious friend and I was telling him that even netenyahou wouldn’t deserve eternal hell because people don’t grasp the idea of eternity. It’s an infinite cycle of torture and Anguish. Perhaps he would need 200 billion years but again morality is subjective

 

[subhuman1996]

Yea but jeaus was a jew, I met him he told me lol

Ik Jesus was a jew. Both ethnically and religious. Ur point?

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

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Ik Jesus was a jew. Both ethnically and religious. Ur point?

The lion of Judah, he will come back to punish the Jews and the non reborn non believers before creating his thousand year kingdom.

 

[awok]

Ik Jesus was a jew. Both ethnically and religious. Ur point?

Jews = bad news

 

[william.]

This ain’t about Christianity but religion in general. If I ask you or any religious believer “why do we exist”’and your answer most likely is to serve god and follow his commands and pray to him. My question is why would God the almighty all powerful being create an inferior race of people and make them worship him and if they don’t they will go to eternal hell. Eternal hell can’t be something an all loving god would ever do because no crime against humanity would deserve eternal hell. If he wanted to he could have created us without free will and made us obey him and worship him but why didn’t he, I was arguing with my super religious friend and I was telling him that even netenyahou wouldn’t deserve eternal hell because people don’t grasp the idea of eternity. It’s an infinite cycle of torture and Anguish. Perhaps he would need 200 billion years but again morality is subjective

fax, but they all would come with some bs answer that dosent justify anything

 

[subhuman1996]

Jews = bad news

Maybe modern day jews. But not the ones from ancient times.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

Evidential problem of evil

Concept of suffering and evil

God Isn’t real or observable to any degree

Simple and plain. And no, saying “it’s a test” Or “that’s because of humans bro… free will bro…” isn’t a good answer

An extra is the many interpretations of one book by the many cult-like Christian denominations. Once you read the Bible in a scholarly perspective, you realize the Biblical God isn’t as good as the image churches shove down your throat. The Bible has many contradictions.

 

[subhuman1996]

fax, but they all would come with some bs answer that dosent justify anything

Bs like your existence.

 

[awok]

Maybe modern day jews. But not the ones from ancient times.

B..but jews bad!!

 

[Saint]

fax, but they all would come with some bs answer that dosent justify anything

I still belive in a higher power, if you learn about Aristotle and Plato they were really influential in religion. Aristotle had the idea of a prime mover that basically was “god” but didn’t interact with earth at all he just created everything and set everything in motion, meanwhile Plato was more schizo and had the idea of the form of the good which is more complex. The Plato cave analogy was amazing tho do some reading on it

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Maybe modern day jews. But not the ones from ancient times.

They were just as bad.

 

[william.]

Evidential problem of evil

Concept of suffering and evil

Isn’t real or observable in any degree

Simple and plain. And no, saying “it’s a test” Or “that’s because of humans bro… free will bro…” isn’t a good answer

An extra is the many interpretations of one book by the many cult-like Christian denominations. Once you read the Bible in a scholarly perspective, you realize the Biblical God isn’t as good as the church shoves down your throat. The Bible has many contradictions.

fax

 

[Saint]

Bs like your existence.

Then debunk my argument that I made up In 2 mins

 

[DxstZ]

where he at

 

[subhuman1996]

Then debunk my argument that I made up In 2 mins

Yea sure. Where the arguments at?

 

[Saint]

This ain’t about Christianity but religion in general. If I ask you or any religious believer “why do we exist”’and your answer most likely is to serve god and follow his commands and pray to him. My question is why would God the almighty all powerful being create an inferior race of people and make them worship him and if they don’t they will go to eternal hell. Eternal hell can’t be something an all loving god would ever do because no crime against humanity would deserve eternal hell. If he wanted to he could have created us without free will and made us obey him and worship him but why didn’t he, I was arguing with my super religious friend and I was telling him that even netenyahou wouldn’t deserve eternal hell because people don’t grasp the idea of eternity. It’s an infinite cycle of torture and Anguish. Perhaps he would need 200 billion years but again morality is subjective

Yea sure. Where the arguments at?

 

[TungTungTungSahur]

There are none. You can’t defeat Christianity. Jesus Christ is the only truth and way to eternal life.

“YESHUA ACKBAR” ahh message

 

[Oldcel_WageCuck]

This ain’t about Christianity but religion in general. If I ask you or any religious believer “why do we exist”’and your answer most likely is to serve god and follow his commands and pray to him. My question is why would God the almighty all powerful being create an inferior race of people and make them worship him and if they don’t they will go to eternal hell. Eternal hell can’t be something an all loving god would ever do because no crime against humanity would deserve eternal hell. If he wanted to he could have created us without free will and made us obey him and worship him but why didn’t he, I was arguing with my super religious friend and I was telling him that even netenyahou wouldn’t deserve eternal hell because people don’t grasp the idea of eternity. It’s an infinite cycle of torture and Anguish. Perhaps he would need 200 billion years but again morality is subjective

How can God be all powerful, all knowing, and all kind if he allows there to be so much unnecessary suffering? Yeah, you need bad to make good worthwhile, but why do so many infants get raped, killed, tortured? I mean there’s certainly a bit more bad than there needs to be around here

 

[wewuzaryans134]

 

[subhuman1996]

@Saint bc for some reason ur post dont appear after I click on reply.
So heres the thing, God didn’t make people robots. He gave us free will bc real love, trust, and worship only work if it’s a choice. If He forced everyone to obey, it wouldn’t be meaningful at all. Hell isn’t God being mean, it just what happens when someone rejects Him. It’s more abt being separated from God than some torture place. And yea, we can’t really even imagine forever but the point is God’s justice and love r perfect in ways we can’t fully get. Plus salvation isn’t something impossible Jesus made a way for everyone to have a relationship with God if they want it.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

@Saint bc for some reason ur post dont appear after I click on reply.
So heres the thing, God didn’t make people robots. He gave us free will bc real love, trust, and worship only work if it’s a choice. If He forced everyone to obey, it wouldn’t be meaningful at all. Hell isn’t God being mean, it just what happens when someone rejects Him. It’s more abt being separated from God than some torture place. And yea, we can’t really even imagine forever but the point is God’s justice and love r perfect in ways we can’t fully get. Plus salvation isn’t something impossible Jesus made a way for everyone to have a relationship with God if they want it.

The free will excuse isn’t a good answer. God banishing evil (like he’s done before many times in Biblical stories) does not remove free will or “make people robots;” God’s will is just stronger. Moreover, all living species on the planet wouldn’t even know of evil if God didn’t create it, so why would he create evil/calamity (Isaiah 45:7) if he was all good? Answer that for me.

FYI the Hell you know and love isn’t even a place discreetly mentioned in the Bible. This hell you speak of only came to be after Zoroastrianism/Persian influence. “Hell” in the Bible has been described nothing more than the realm of dead.

You must be young.

 

[Saint]

@Saint bc for some reason ur post dont appear after I click on reply.
So heres the thing, God didn’t make people robots. He gave us free will bc real love, trust, and worship only work if it’s a choice. If He forced everyone to obey, it wouldn’t be meaningful at all. Hell isn’t God being mean, it just what happens when someone rejects Him. It’s more abt being separated from God than some torture place. And yea, we can’t really even imagine forever but the point is God’s justice and love r perfect in ways we can’t fully get. Plus salvation isn’t something impossible Jesus made a way for everyone to have a relationship with God if they want it.

My whole argument is that why would God create us just for us to worship him and if we don’t we are doomed to eternal damnation.

 

[subhuman1996]

The free will excuse isn’t a good answer. God banishing evil (like he’s done before many times in Biblical stories) does not remove free will or “make people robots;” God’s will is just stronger. Moreover, all living species on the planet wouldn’t even know of evil if God didn’t create it, so why would he create evil/calamity (Isaiah 45:7) if he was all good? Answer that for me.

FYI the Hell you know and love isn’t even a place discreetly mentioned in the Bible. This hell you speak of only came to be after Zoroastrianism/Persian influence. “Hell” in the Bible has been described nothing more than the realm of dead.

You must be young.

Ja the Bible doesn’t describe hell the way media does it and terms like hell came later. Biblically, it’s ultimately about separation from God not some sort of torture. As for evil and calamity, God allowing them doesn’t contradict His goodness. Free will matters. He could remove evil instantly but then love, obedience and faith would be meaningless lit just mechanical compliance. Isaiah 45:7 shows God is sovereign over all things including calamity and can bring ultimate good from what seems bad to us. Also God’s goal isn’t to force obedience but to have a genuine relationship with ppl. Salvation through Jesus offers that relationship freely to all. The existence of evil don’t mean God isn’t perfect but it shows that He respects our freedom and can work through even the brokenness of the world to bring abt His ultimate purposes.

 

[Saint]

Ja the Bible doesn’t describe hell the way media does it and terms like hell came later. Biblically, it’s ultimately about separation from God not some sort of torture. As for evil and calamity, God allowing them doesn’t contradict His goodness. Free will matters. He could remove evil instantly but then love, obedience and faith would be meaningless lit just mechanical compliance. Isaiah 45:7 shows God is sovereign over all things including calamity and can bring ultimate good from what seems bad to us. Also God’s goal isn’t to force obedience but to have a genuine relationship with ppl. Salvation through Jesus offers that relationship freely to all. The existence of evil don’t mean God isn’t perfect but it shows that He respects our freedom and can work through even the brokenness of the world to bring abt His ultimate purposes.

Matthew 13:50 (KJV)

“And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Revelation 20:10 (KJV)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone… and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

 

[JasGews69x]

God cant get smacked by humans - Change my mind

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

God allowing them doesn’t contradict His goodness.

Condoning and permissing something that you know occurs is a subtle form of endorsement. The biblical God seing suffering among all species since forever and doing nothing about it suggests that he’s content with it. Do you think that’s “goodness?” This is not to mention God condoning all forms of slavery and the Bible seeing the rape of a woman as nothing more than a property crime. And no, it would not remove the meaning of love and obedience. Are you forgetting we’re talking about an outer-dimensional, all-powerful deity?

Also God’s goal isn’t to force obedience

But coerces you to worship him or suffer death, lmao. Okay man

Like I said, you must be young. Leave your cultist denomination and Study the Bible from a scholarly, theological, and historical standpoint. You’ll understand then.

 

[takethewhitepill]

This ain’t about Christianity but religion in general. If I ask you or any religious believer “why do we exist”’and your answer most likely is to serve god and follow his commands and pray to him. My question is why would God the almighty all powerful being create an inferior race of people and make them worship him and if they don’t they will go to eternal hell. Eternal hell can’t be something an all loving god would ever do because no crime against humanity would deserve eternal hell. If he wanted to he could have created us without free will and made us obey him and worship him but why didn’t he, I was arguing with my super religious friend and I was telling him that even netenyahou wouldn’t deserve eternal hell because people don’t grasp the idea of eternity. It’s an infinite cycle of torture and Anguish. Perhaps he would need 200 billion years but again morality is subjective

Eternal hell doesnt exist in the bible. Both body and soul will be destroyed in hell, the punishment for sin is death, and believers will be given eternal life. We exist because God decided He wanted to, does not the potter have authority over the clay to both set aside piles for honourable and dishonourable use and to choose to or not to make with them according to His own will without a greater reason?

 

[takethewhitepill]

Eternal hell doesnt exist in the bible. Both body and soul will be destroyed in hell, the punishment for sin is death, and believers will be given eternal life. We exist because God decided He wanted to, does not the potter have authority over the clay to both set aside piles for honourable and dishonourable use and to choose to or not to make with them according to His own will without a greater reason?

fax, but they all would come with some bs answer that dosent justify anything

 

[Aox Ofwar]

fax, but they all would come with some bs answer that dosent justify anything

 

[Aox Ofwar]

Eternal hell doesnt exist in the bible. Both body and soul will be destroyed in hell, the punishment for sin is death, and believers will be given eternal life. We exist because God decided He wanted to, does not the potter have authority over the clay to both set aside piles for honourable and dishonourable use and to choose to or not to make with them according to His own will without a greater reason?

How exactly does a human have free will? Because as far as we know were a bunch of atoms that have no other option but to obey the laws of physics, the universe is deterministic

 

[takethewhitepill]

Condoning and permissing something that you know occurs is a subtle form of endorsement.

it is not permitted. God has intervened and given us the moral law. He has told us the punishment, death. Does the lawmaker condone murder if he doesnt decide to cut everyone's hands to prevent it but rather puts in place clear laws?

The biblical God seing suffering among all species since forever and doing nothing about it suggests that he’s content with it.

show me where He is content to start with, He is in fact saddened. But He has done much about it and that is the good news.

Do you think that’s “goodness?”

Yes.

This is not to mention God condoning all forms of slavery

Chapter and verse. The bible explicitly only commands how a slave should behave to his master and master to his slave, it does not command that we make slaves of all people or anything. This is mostly used to explain how we are either slaves of sin or of the Lord, and that He is a good master and we should be good slaves.

and the Bible seeing the rape of a woman as nothing more than a property crime.

chapter and verse.

And no, it would not remove the meaning of love and obedience. Are you forgetting we’re talking about an outer-dimensional, all-powerful deity?

Internal critique, He is love and He chooses to do it so it is the loving way, so tell me where the bible would support your view.

But coerces you to worship him or suffer death, lmao. Okay man

would you prefer anarchy where everyonr dies instead? Its Jesus or nothing. There is no coercion, classic athiest pointless platitude. Give your real argument here or drop this point.

Like I said, you must be young. Leave your cultist denomination and Study the Bible from a scholarly, theological, and historical standpoint. You’ll understand then.

I agree that we should study the bible and that orthodoxy isnt the correct denomination. But this is not an effective or insightful comment

 

[takethewhitepill]

How exactly does a human have free will? Because as far as we know were a bunch of atoms that have no other option but to obey the laws of physics, the universe is deterministic

We dont. Show me where the bible says we do. We are clay molded by a potter, we dont choose for ourselves what happens

 

[psychomandible]

Gay jewish capeshit