Where have the religious discussions gone ???

[ltn gooner]

they’re still out there tho it’s just always in a thread that had a completely different topic

Tag me if you find some

 

[Jensonsahighlander]

Tag me if you find some

i’ll remember you im usually the one starting religious debates

 

[ltn gooner]

i’ll remember you im usually the one starting religious debates

Love that, what are u tho ? Catholic, protestant, ortho, muslim ?

 

[toji.]

Imma go through that point for point.
1. There is evil in the world because of evil humans. Ig you believe that too so we got one point together. God doesn't intervene because he gave us this free will. Imagine if he would intervene, he is righteous btw, we would all rot in hell because we've all fucked up. And if he would've stopped sin from the beginning we would just be slaves worshipping him all day, having no free will.

2.God is incomprehensible to humans. You can never fully understand God and humans can't comprehens divinity. You're definetly right religion is based on faith not on truth. Even the church fathers said that on the 3rd ecumenical council. Pope coelestin said that. But some things about God have been revealed (the holy trinity, 2 natures of christ...) and we know that God is real. We also know through the knowledge of the church that was give to us throigh christ what is the truth. In the end God is righteous and will judge us all the same and this is what has been revealed through church councils, the bible, Jesus and prophets.

I hope you get my points. Please tell me if i got your points right. And excuse me for my poor writing skills im german and just a junior in highschool

Thank you for your response.

With regard to the problem of evil, which is recognized as the problem of theodicy, I return to the previous point: how can we determine God's actions? Who are we to say that God does not intervene because He gives us free will? Who am I, as a human being, to define what God does and His justification?

We do not know if God is real. There are only historical links and suspicions of Jesus' existence based on letters from some people who claim to have known Jesus.

With regard to religious institutions, we cannot say how much of what they determine is the truth. It is an act of faith to believe that what is said is true, but it is not necessarily the truth. Religious institutions depend on belief, not on truth. It is the belief in them, but it is not the end in itself.

The same is true of sacred books. People believe that what is written in them are the divine words of God that were revealed to a man. We believe that this was the case, but it is not necessarily true.

It is likely that Jesus did indeed exist, but the existence of God is not a truth because there is no way to prove his existence, whether due to limitations as a species or other things. Again, it is only an act of faith. That is why this discussion is in this post, because it is a struggle of beliefs, not truths. There is no way for anyone to win because there are no truths.

 

[Jensonsahighlander]

Love that, what are u tho ? Catholic, protestant, ortho, muslim ?

atheist

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

You knowledgeable too and defend your religion valid, i like that bhai. But i personally can't follow a prophet who ordered people to be killed and appearently married a 9yo.
Btw here is the link to the Imam i was talkin abt earlier


Another argument is the islamic Dilemma with the bible and the torah. And also that Mohammed felt like his Aorta being cut through while he dies. Before that your Allah said in the quran that if there would appear a false Prophet he would cut through his Aorta

I don't know or follow this scholar.
I'm kind of busy rn sorry gang but here's the article that will clear your doubts: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/261...phet_blessings_and_peace_of_Allah_be_upon_him

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

why should i get whats god thinking? this is an illogical question friend. like thats kind of question why would god do that and that, we dont know atleast i dont know, and we dont need to know, why should our limited mind who makes tons of mistakes undertsand why a perfect being does something edit ( maybe has to do something with paying our debt like christ did and only the son who came down can do it but idk and dont need to)
all that matters is that it makes sense, and be fr is it that hard to understand? like from a neutral pov
i dont think so i got in like 5 mins

From a neutral pov it absolutely does not make more sense than just worshipping one God directly lol

 

[aaronbp]

Thank you for your response.

With regard to the problem of evil, which is recognized as the problem of theodicy, I return to the previous point: how can we determine God's actions? Who are we to say that God does not intervene because He gives us free will? Who am I, as a human being, to define what God does and His justification?

We do not know if God is real. There are only historical links and suspicions of Jesus' existence based on letters from some people who claim to have known Jesus.

With regard to religious institutions, we cannot say how much of what they determine is the truth. It is an act of faith to believe that what is said is true, but it is not necessarily the truth. Religious institutions depend on belief, not on truth. It is the belief in them, but it is not the end in itself.

The same is true of sacred books. People believe that what is written in them are the divine words of God that were revealed to a man. We believe that this was the case, but it is not necessarily true.

It is likely that Jesus did indeed exist, but the existence of God is not a truth because there is no way to prove his existence, whether due to limitations as a species or other things. Again, it is only an act of faith. That is why this discussion is in this post, because it is a struggle of beliefs, not truths. There is no way for anyone to win because there are no truths.

dont drag the poe in the bug 26 when leibnitz and platinga exists, so yes we cannot prove good since that would hinder the greater good, choosing to do good cuz u r not forced, when god would be proven the greater good would fall since most people would just do it cuz they think they need to, that would be less good than choosing good freely,
still think gödels modal ontrological is probs the closest we get into "proving", well with some additions
he claimed existence is a trait, i dont think so
i think the metaphysical existence mode is a true trait, therefore true
but well said with belief and truth

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

surah 3:54 i believe not sure rn
doesnt said it proves it, but i mean why would god even after this verse which was there for 300 years before mohammed was born, even let him be called as the a prophet when he preaches some different while christanity was on the rise
this for me doesnt make sense allah knew christians would think mohammed is a liar cuz of this verse

yeah the logic doesnt make sense cuz christanity was there before, i could write a book and say quran is false and say yeah but i say quran is false after 1400 years, this logic applying to islam doesnt make sense sorry bud

Surah 3:54 doesn't support your claim lol
And for arguments , context is important.
I'm sorry I can't reply to you fastly rn as I'm busy in other work but I urge you to read from Muslim sources about your doubtz

 

[matthaal20]

i am orthodox

I remember like a year+ ago there were some debates here and there and it was honestly fun to watch. But now i feel like every religious mf on here left. There are some christians like myself but no beef goin on like catholic vs protestant. I feel like the muslims on here left too and even the atheists are too scared to post on their faith.
LETS BRING BACK RELIGIOUS DEBATES
FUCK ATHEISM, FUCK ISLAM, SUBMIT TO ROME INCEL

 

[aaronbp]

From a neutral pov it absolutely does not make more sense than just worshipping one God directly lol

its still logical valid, as i mentioned i think the trinity exists cuz of the debt ,son pays
well and it is one god? one essence bhai

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

its still logical valid, as i mentioned i think the trinity exists cuz of the debt ,son pays
well and it is one god? one essence bhai

Not more logical than paying your worship to One Single God instead of worrying about muh essence man no offense

 

[aaronbp]

Surah 3:54 doesn't support your claim lol
And for arguments , context is important.
I'm sorry I can't reply to you fastly rn as I'm busy in other work but I urge you to read from Muslim sources about your doubtz

Qur'an 3:54​

Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[2]
well i think it does
tell me the context
dw i know fasting is rough and i think i did more than enough research that was just the beginning

 

[aaronbp]

Not more logical than paying your worship to One Single God instead of worrying about muh essence man no offense

as u said it is one god and yes one single god, essence is important even for your god lol dont get into blasphemy.... since allah also one essence the divine as u believe without different persons

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

Qur'an 3:54​

Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[2]
well i think it does
tell me the context
dw i know fasting is rough and i think i did more than enough research that was just the beginning

That’s not true. But even if it was ‘Only when provoked’ is an excuse. A perfect religion wouldn’t use excuses.

2 Corinthians 11:14that "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light,"

In Galatians 1:8, the Apostle Paul declares, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"


Allah described as a great deceiver - Surah Ali 'Imran (3:54)

The entire principle of taqiiya. Even if you say it’s supposed to be during prosecution, it’s an excuse to lie. And a lot of muslims use it to lie to advance the religion.

“We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them" - Abu ad Darda




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“Only when provoked” is an excuse. God is infallible and doesn’t need excuses. Only muslims use that excuse too.

Also muslims were a bigger aggressor than catholics. They invaded all of the middle east, the levant, north africa, persia, and tried to colonise Europe both from the East and the West, but thankfully were beaten back.

Also also, of course islam claims Christianity is false, but they have no proof except for ‘an angel told me bro’.

Oof
I'll say this one last time:
CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT !
IN THIS CASE, DECIEVER/CHEATER MEANS "PLANNERS".
ALLAH IS THE BEST OF THE PLANNERS
HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND BEYOND, AND NOBODY CAN ESCAPE HIS SIGHT.
HE IS ALL-POWERFUL AND THE ALL-JUST, AND NO ONE CAN COMPARE TO HIM IN TERMS OF POWER, RANK, KNOWLEDGE, ETC.
IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT YOURE DOING, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT TO DO BETTER THAN YOU.
IN THIS CASE ALLAH KNOWS EVERYTHING AND BEYOND AND SO HE IS THE BEST OF PLANNERS .
Please read the context provided before writing essays.

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

as u said it is one god and yes one single god, essence is important even for your god lol dont get into blasphemy.... since allah also one essence the divine as u believe without different persons

What ?
What essence
Define essence and your argument more coherently.

 

[toji.]

dont drag the poe in the bug 26 when leibnitz and platinga exists, so yes we cannot prove good since that would hinder the greater good, choosing to do good cuz u r not forced, when god would be proven the greater good would fall since most people would just do it cuz they think they need to, that would be less good than choosing good freely,
still think gödels modal ontrological is probs the closest we get into "proving", well with some additions
he claimed existence is a trait, i dont think so
i think the metaphysical existence mode is a true trait, therefore true
but well said with belief and truth

Acting righteously is a laudable ideal, but the very notion of “value” or “good” is strictly a social construct, not a divine imperative. Our moral systems are the result of human interaction, the need for cohesion, and the evolution of our institutions. Attributing our norms of coexistence to a cosmic creator is not only unnecessary for acting well, but it is also a reductionism of our own social complexity. Even if we assumed the existence of a supreme being, it is ridiculous and the result of profound human arrogance to suppose that a species confined to this corner of the universe has the ability to determine, influence, or even understand the course of action of the divine. Wanting to fit God into human expectations is an exercise in pride disguised as piety.

The attempt to prove God through formal logic, such as Gödel's ontological argument, fails because of its own ambition. First, if its axioms about “positive properties” were empirically justifiable, the logical structure itself would not be limited to proving a single monotheistic God, but would open the door to justifying the existence of multiple entities possessing those properties.

Contemporary efforts to “rescue” or validate Gödel's proof are pure syntactic gymnastics. Premises are modified and adjusted not to reflect a demonstrable ontological reality but to force the internal consistency of formal language. It becomes a tautological metaphysics where, with enough time and manipulation of premises, any concept can be pushed to appear logically “true.” It is a triumph of grammar, not a discovery of the universe.

 

[CloudyCuck]

Ok

Oof
I'll say this one last time:
CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT !
IN THIS CASE, DECIEVER/CHEATER MEANS "PLANNERS".
ALLAH IS THE BEST OF THE PLANNERS
HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND BEYOND, AND NOBODY CAN ESCAPE HIS SIGHT.
HE IS ALL-POWERFUL AND THE ALL-JUST, AND NO ONE CAN COMPARE TO HIM IN TERMS OF POWER, RANK, KNOWLEDGE, ETC.
IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT YOURE DOING, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT TO DO BETTER THAN YOU.
IN THIS CASE ALLAH KNOWS EVERYTHING AND BEYOND AND SO HE IS THE BEST OF PLANNERS .
Please read the context provided before writing essays.

ok, but in that verse it says they planned to do something dirty. Then allah outplanned them. Implying that Allah is good at doing someone dirty.

And that’s not nearly enough evidence nigga. That’s one point.

Let’s just agree to disagree; I can’t post sources all day

 

[aaronbp]

Oof
I'll say this one last time:
CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT !
IN THIS CASE, DECIEVER/CHEATER MEANS "PLANNERS".
ALLAH IS THE BEST OF THE PLANNERS
HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND BEYOND, AND NOBODY CAN ESCAPE HIS SIGHT.
HE IS ALL-POWERFUL AND THE ALL-JUST, AND NO ONE CAN COMPARE TO HIM IN TERMS OF POWER, RANK, KNOWLEDGE, ETC.
IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT YOURE DOING, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT TO DO BETTER THAN YOU.
IN THIS CASE ALLAH KNOWS EVERYTHING AND BEYOND AND SO HE IS THE BEST OF PLANNERS .
Please read the context provided before writing essays.

no not really this comes down to translation i can make my same point again since both translation are approved.
and i dont really think that context saving u there
u cant put another differnt meaning on your words just cuz it contradicts his being
context means nothing when its the words itself only when it comes to storys why god does something
its like punched and kicked those 2 are not the same words still have the same outcome some gets hurt

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

Ok

ok, but in that verse it says they planned to do something dirty. Then allah outplanned them. Implying that Allah is good at doing someone dirty.

And that’s not nearly enough evidence nigga. That’s one point.

Let’s just agree to disagree; I can’t post sources all day

Your "sources" are just misinformed texts which require context buddy boyo.
Also, somebody's interpretation, especially that of a non-believer, does not overrule the interpretation provided by the primary authority. I will choose the Muslim scholars anyday over a Kaffir like you.

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

no not really this comes down to translation i can make my same point again since both translation are approved.
and i dont really think that context saving u there
u cant put another differnt meaning on your words just cuz it contradicts his being
context means nothing when its the words itself only when it comes to storys why god does something

Dude what are you saying.
Context is very much important otherwise dumbasses with double digit IQ would misinterpret it

 

[Aox Ofwar]

I remember like a year+ ago there were some debates here and there and it was honestly fun to watch. But now i feel like every religious mf on here left. There are some christians like myself but no beef goin on like catholic vs protestant. I feel like the muslims on here left too and even the atheists are too scared to post on their faith.
LETS BRING BACK RELIGIOUS DEBATES
FUCK ATHEISM, FUCK ISLAM, SUBMIT TO ROME INCEL

They didn't leave and there's still religious debates maybe less of them because they just always go in circles

I swear not a single fucking religion debate has ever changed anyone's mind

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

@tomahawk am I cooking ?

Dude what are you saying.
Context is very much important otherwise dumbasses with double digit IQ would misinterpret it

 

[CloudyCuck]

Your "sources" are just misinformed texts which require context buddy boyo.
Also, somebody's interpretation, especially that of a non-believer, does not overrule the interpretation provided by the primary authority. I will choose the Muslim scholars anyday over a Kaffir like you.

I’m sure you will, because your parents raised you into the cult. But everyone else is laughing at you. I provided evidence and your only retort was ‘muh provoked’ and that your own hadiths are wrong. Brainwashed

You muslim niggas never have legitimate sources. The biggest enemy of islam is free thinking, that’s why people are leaving en masse.

 

[aaronbp]

Acting righteously is a laudable ideal, but the very notion of “value” or “good” is strictly a social construct, not a divine imperative. Our moral systems are the result of human interaction, the need for cohesion, and the evolution of our institutions. Attributing our norms of coexistence to a cosmic creator is not only unnecessary for acting well, but it is also a reductionism of our own social complexity. Even if we assumed the existence of a supreme being, it is ridiculous and the result of profound human arrogance to suppose that a species confined to this corner of the universe has the ability to determine, influence, or even understand the course of action of the divine. Wanting to fit God into human expectations is an exercise in pride disguised as piety.

The attempt to prove God through formal logic, such as Gödel's ontological argument, fails because of its own ambition. First, if its axioms about “positive properties” were empirically justifiable, the logical structure itself would not be limited to proving a single monotheistic God, but would open the door to justifying the existence of multiple entities possessing those properties.

Contemporary efforts to “rescue” or validate Gödel's proof are pure syntactic gymnastics. Premises are modified and adjusted not to reflect a demonstrable ontological reality but to force the internal consistency of formal language. It becomes a tautological metaphysics where, with enough time and manipulation of premises, any concept can be pushed to appear logically “true.” It is a triumph of grammar, not a discovery of the universe.

aight so can u please write in a more simple english
but so yeah the vatican also agrees with your first point this was also not part of my argument since i also agree with moral to a cerain point cuz of moral truths the other things sure
so the 2. they really dont need to be empiric since its an arguement from rationalism, well it wouldnt prove other since u said monothestic god can only be one, due to unmoved mover, 2 mgs cant exist therefore is logical unthinkable
u got to put the logic argument into basic theology and metaphysical context

last point thats why gödel kinda failed, thats the adjustments platinga did with metaphysical reasoning

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

I’m sure you will, because your parents raised you into the cult. But everyone else is laughing at you. I provided evidence and your only retort was ‘muh provoked’ and that your own hadiths are wrong. Brainwashed

You muslim niggas never have legitimate sources. The biggest enemy of islam is free thinking, that’s why people are leaving en masse.

Okay so now you are resorting to ad hominems, I see.
You have no answer for my response, which I clearly provided according to the Quran (https://seekersguidance.org/answers...context-play-in-understanding-quranic-verses/) so you're just gonna start talking shit.
Either provide me the so-called "contradictions" AFTER reading the context or get lost.

 

[aaronbp]

Dude what are you saying.
Context is very much important otherwise dumbasses with double digit IQ would misinterpret it

yes as said with storys, as for example god did this and that, not when it comes to traits god has. i cannot say a und then tryna say context and it comes out a different way, also the planner and deceiver is purely based on different translation
and u say believe gods word cannot be changed

 

[aaronbp]

What ?
What essence
Define essence and your argument more coherently.

dont really have time ill make it quick since im texting 3 guys at the same time
essence is just merely a word for like a being what kinda makes god god yk hope this will clear up my argument

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

yes as said with storys, as for example god did this and that, not when it comes to traits god has. i cannot say a und then tryna say context and it comes out a different way, also the planner and deceiver is purely based on different translation
and u say believe gods word cannot be changed

I'm sorry to say this but now you're just blatantly coping.
Just read the Quran yourselves from an unbiased point: It is filled with verses complimenting God, and context is provided for every single one of them.
Also (side note): not every Hadith is authentic; some are fabricated by enemies of Islam to mislead people

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

dont really have time ill make it quick since im texting 3 guys at the same time
essence is just merely a word for like a being what kinda makes god god yk hope this will clear up my argument

Allah is just the Arabic word for "God" if you still don't know.
The Quran fully describes His essence, just read it.

 

[clock]

I remember like a year+ ago there were some debates here and there and it was honestly fun to watch. But now i feel like every religious mf on here left. There are some christians like myself but no beef goin on like catholic vs protestant. I feel like the muslims on here left too and even the atheists are too scared to post on their faith.
LETS BRING BACK RELIGIOUS DEBATES
FUCK ATHEISM, FUCK ISLAM, SUBMIT TO ROME INCEL

Let’s start here, what makes you believe in a book (bible)? School, parents, friends, personal interest?

Put your thoughts of God away, don’t fear thoughts, and just imagine that there isn’t a God. Don’t let the brainwash get to you, don’t fear sin or hell from this, just imagine that your God doesn’t exist. Imagine that you are going absolutely no where after death and imagine that absolutely everything you know and love will eventually be gone forever.

You see the instant cope your mind starts doing? That’s because it can’t accept the end of your consciousness. That’s what makes life beautiful. Everything is temporary, you shouldn’t take anything for granted, and you should live the life you want to live, because it’s short and temporary and we all only have one shot at it.

Open your mind to atheism, don’t fear thoughts, they make you a stronger person.

 

[aaronbp]

I'm sorry to say this but now you're just blatantly coping.
Just read the Quran yourselves from an unbiased point: It is filled with verses complimenting God, and context is provided for every single one of them.
Also (side note): not every Hadith is authentic; some are fabricated by enemies of Islam to mislead people

no not really read different translations, the context doesnt matter when it comes to grammatic and words yes i get the story, with planning still in the quran hes mentioned as deceiver and in your translation as planner
this does not change that hes mentioned as deceiver also if the words changes, gods word has been changed which cannot be according to your belief, since allah has now different attributes ones called a deceiver and one a planner
it should been one

 

[aaronbp]

Allah is just the Arabic word for "God" if you still don't know.
The Quran fully describes His essence, just read it.

um yeah? u clearly dont have a clue what i meant dont u?

i used allah like 30 times and always meant god but your response doesnt make any sense to mine...

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

no not really read different translations, the context doesnt matter when it comes to grammatic and words yes i get the story, with planning still in the quran hes mentioned as deceiver and in your translation as planner
this does not change that hes mentioned as deceiver also if the words changes, gods word has been changed which cannot be according to your belief, since allah has now different attributes ones called a deceiver and one a planner
it should been one

1.https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/85315/does-surah-3-verse-54-say-allah-is-best-deciever
2. Translation is a subset of context.

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

um yeah? u clearly dont have a clue what i meant dont u?

i used allah like 30 times and always meant god but your response doesnt make any sense to mine...

I see
Well then if you clearly meant it that way, you should read the Quran for yourself, without any external source dictating what it is.

 

[tomahawk]

No. You didn’t even read.

Islam is incorrect because:
-it’s a new religion, clearly mixing and corrupting the jew and christian faiths so they can rally some arabs in mecca to kill some jews
-the Bible predicted islam would happen exactly as it did (an angel supposedly visiting mohammad with a brand new revelation)
-islam’s moral values don’t make sense, they promote lying, which makes them inherently untrustworthy
-islam claims mohammed is perfect and supremely moral, but he is shown encouraging killing, lying, pedophilia, breaking peace treaties. The religion is self contradictory.

You are gonna skip some of these and address 1 or 2 points with some new studies, but that will make it even less trustworthy, since you’ll be trying to debunk your own texts

Very lie and contradictory but I don't engage in religious debates because they're stupid
Your claims are very foolish, especially putting up 2 and 3 together, point 1 is baseless and mindless, 3 is based upon NOTHING and is DIRECTLY CONTRADICTORY to the truth, 4 is just stupid

 

[tomahawk]

John 17:3 is enough to prove one of the two:
1. Bible is contradictory because Jesus is both one and separate from God;
2. Jesus is completely separate from God no contest

 

[im.dark.wrld]

Mohammed was a warlord and peodphile

No he wasn't.
Muhammad was a part of the Quraish but he didn't follow their religion. At first, his religion was small, so the Quraish used to oppress him and the followers of Islam. They had no other option but to retaliate. Also, Muhammad expanded his empire with peace, and only took the option of the sword if he was threatened with wars or if he was disobeyed on VERY important matters.
The argument of Muslims for Aisha's age can be summarized:
1) Children matured very early in those times, especially in the region Muhammad was in.
2) Aisha was shown to be an exceptional child with profound intelligence and maturity which can be confirmed by the fact that she is one of the biggest Islamic scholars, narrating many Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad).
3) Aisha and her parents accepted the proposal from Muhammad.

This + she was proven 19 u stupid fucking gooner

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

This + she was proven 19 u stupid fucking gooner

Dude are you talking about me or him ?

 

[aaronbp]

1.https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/85315/does-surah-3-verse-54-say-allah-is-best-deciever
2. Translation is a subset of context.

u didnt try to debunk my point bro, so deceiver is also a context i know what u mean u just put it poorly
to refer to u website, this makes my point even more valid cuz u mention different translations so do i have a different one, gods word cannot be changed yet the whole point of the storys has changed when it comes to different translations
thats not valid in islamic theology

 

[im.dark.wrld]

Dude are you talking about me or him ?

Nah him
Dw ur good bruv

 

[Spieldren]

there is nothing not a single god out of the hundreds of religions. only quadrillions of coincidences. end of discussion

 

[aaronbp]

I see
Well then if you clearly meant it that way, you should read the Quran for yourself, without any external source dictating what it is.

well yes i kinda did and crossed a verse where allah says we "worship" mary as god
but yk as christian that is so wrong dude
allah should know the differnce between venerating and worshipping some one as god if hes all knowing
surah 5 ir 116

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

u didnt try to debunk my point bro, so deceiver is also a context i know what u mean u just put it poorly
to refer to u website, this makes my point even more valid cuz u mention different translations so do i have a different one, gods word cannot be changed yet the whole point of the storys has changed when it comes to different translations
thats not valid in islamic theology

This isn't how it works, dude.
For example, I could say "I hate schools" but I wouldn't necessarily mean that.
I would actually mean "I hate the education system, not the concept of schools".
+ The translation provided is most likely fabricated

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

well yes i kinda did and crossed a verse where allah says we "worship" mary as god
but yk as christian that is so wrong dude
allah should know the differnce between venerating and worshipping some one as god if hes all knowing
surah 5 ir 116

The Table Spread (5:116)

وَإِذْ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ ءَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ ٱتَّخِذُونِى وَأُمِّىَ إِلَـٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ سُبْحَـٰنَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِى بِحَقٍّ ۚ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُۥ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُۥ ۚ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِى وَلَآ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِكَ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّـٰمُ ٱلْغُيُوبِ ١١٦

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran

Surah Al-Ma'idah - 116 - Quran.com

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He wil...

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I don't see anything wrong here.

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

The Table Spread (5:116)

وَإِذْ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ ءَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ ٱتَّخِذُونِى وَأُمِّىَ إِلَـٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ سُبْحَـٰنَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِى بِحَقٍّ ۚ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُۥ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُۥ ۚ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِى وَلَآ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِكَ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّـٰمُ ٱلْغُيُوبِ ١١٦

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran

Surah Al-Ma'idah - 116 - Quran.com

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He wil...

quran.com

I don't see anything wrong here.

Quran 5:116 (Surah Al-Ma'idah) depicts a scene on the Day of Judgment where Allah asks Jesus, son of Mary, if he instructed people to worship him and his mother as deities besides Allah. Jesus responds by declaring Allah's glory, stating he only preached the worship of Allah alone, his Lord and their Lord.
Cited from Quran.com

 

[ltn gooner]

Thank you for your response.

With regard to the problem of evil, which is recognized as the problem of theodicy, I return to the previous point: how can we determine God's actions? Who are we to say that God does not intervene because He gives us free will? Who am I, as a human being, to define what God does and His justification?

We do not know if God is real. There are only historical links and suspicions of Jesus' existence based on letters from some people who claim to have known Jesus.

With regard to religious institutions, we cannot say how much of what they determine is the truth. It is an act of faith to believe that what is said is true, but it is not necessarily the truth. Religious institutions depend on belief, not on truth. It is the belief in them, but it is not the end in itself.

The same is true of sacred books. People believe that what is written in them are the divine words of God that were revealed to a man. We believe that this was the case, but it is not necessarily true.

It is likely that Jesus did indeed exist, but the existence of God is not a truth because there is no way to prove his existence, whether due to limitations as a species or other things. Again, it is only an act of faith. That is why this discussion is in this post, because it is a struggle of beliefs, not truths. There is no way for anyone to win because there are no truths.

I like your philosophical thinking and philosophical approach to that . Yes we don't know why God does things but we know just out of pure logic that we got to have that free will. The root of the question does God exist or not is in the beginning of the universe. We put God there and yall atheists put nothing there. So as we put God there we know we gotta have that free will because God does not erase all evil but he helps us through life and in hard situations and sometimes intervenes, that is called a wonder than. Im sorry, im drifting away but my main point is that we know we got that free will because God exists, if that makes sense.
On to, yeah he existed. Jesus existed and was crucified that is historicaly proven. And between/after that something has to had happen for thousands of people to die for that faith. Especially the apostles. 11 of them were martyred, they just had to denie their faith but they didn't and psychologie tells us that nobody would die for a lie. So either sience is fake or Jesus resurrection was real and he was really God. And we know that Jesus did found the church and we have writings from members of that church like of St ignatius of antioch, who was a disciple of st John the Evangelist and who believed in core doctrin of the catholic church. He lived from around 63-103 ad. . And in that church there you find the truth. As i said, i like your philosophical approach but there is more than just faith in religion. There really is truth behind it. I think st Thomas aquainases writings would really convince you, as he was a big philosopher. But unfortunately they are pretty long. But i hope you get my points right and i understood yours ? And God bless

 

[ltn gooner]

This + she was proven 19 u stupid fucking gooner

Religion of peace. I got many arguments against Islam if you'd like to hear and no she wasnt 19

 

[iblameocclusalcant]

Religion of peace. I got many arguments against Islam if you'd like to hear and no she wasnt 19
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Doesn't matter if she was 19 or not.
She clearly was fit for marriage I have given you the reasons for it too.
Rebeccas age was also stated to be three years of age.

 

[CloudyCuck]

Okay so now you are resorting to ad hominems, I see.
You have no answer for my response, which I clearly provided according to the Quran (https://seekersguidance.org/answers...context-play-in-understanding-quranic-verses/) so you're just gonna start talking shit.
Either provide me the so-called "contradictions" AFTER reading the context or get lost.

I already provided you with evidence nigga and you gave me nothing but insults and excuses. You still haven’t disproven anything, just cited some modern muslims debunking their own book.