Where have the religious discussions gone ???

[Gentleman Unknown]

I remember like a year+ ago there were some debates here and there and it was honestly fun to watch. But now i feel like every religious mf on here left. There are some christians like myself but no beef goin on like catholic vs protestant. I feel like the muslims on here left too and even the atheists are too scared to post on their faith.
LETS BRING BACK RELIGIOUS DEBATES
FUCK ATHEISM, FUCK ISLAM, SUBMIT TO ROME INCEL

I agree. In my opinion i recently dismissed atheism due to the theory of causality. And im left with either agnostics or islam as the truth. Because the bible has too many contradictions

 

[Gentleman Unknown]

Good thread, .org needs actual thoughts

 

[JohnDoe]

All the religious posters are gone. MaghrebiGator, SecularIslamist, King Solomon, emeraldglass, everyone has left and can you blame them? look at the state of this forum

 

[jus.]

But now i feel like every religious mf on here left

The forum is pretty lustful so that can be a stumbling block for many. I feel most people interested in religious debate would be doing it elsewhere than here anyway.

Shoutout Our Lady of Lourdes.

 

[jus.]

she was also 19 btw

Aisha was 9 and Muhammad was based for that

 

[ltn gooner]

His letter to Pope Celestine was prior to Eph I by atleast 2 Years.

Cyrils entire argument was that 2 Natures post Henosis inherently leads to 2 Persons since they constitute 2 Hypostasis. Get me one single quote from Nestorius where he purposefully Seperates the natures and ill start my Catechesis to the RC Church.

Also i dont know what letter 40 to Acacius of Melitene youre reading, this is what he has to say about 2 Natures LMAO

Pope St. Cyril the Great of Alexandria, Letter 40 to Acacius of Melitene

And this is Acacius of Melitene's resposne WHICH IS EVEN MORE BRUTAL.

St. Acacius of Melitine, First Epistle to Cyril of Alexandria

Acacius Verbatim says
Two Natures after the Union equate to Two Sons, Since 2 Hypostasis remain.
Cyril Verbatim says
If u do not confess One Nature post Henosis, then u do not confess One Person, Since the Natures are Hypostasis.|

Notice how throughout this entire argument, Im the only one to continue quoting kek.

Your quote from nestorius, have fun in the one, true, holy, catholic church

Btw the henosis your talking abt isn't real. Its obv that if i got the henosis, the two natures combine into one but thats simply not the case. I don't believe in henosis so i certainly do not believe in 2 natures after the henosis.
How can the human nature, that is limited and mortal combine with the Godly nature ? That just doesn't make any sense. Also how can Christ be fully human if his human nature, which gets dominated by the Godly nature, is mixed up with the Godly one. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[ltn gooner]

All the religious posters are gone. MaghrebiGator, SecularIslamist, King Solomon, emeraldglass, everyone has left and can you blame them? look at the state of this forum

True, true

 

[ltn gooner]

I agree. In my opinion i recently dismissed atheism due to the theory of causality. And im left with either agnostics or islam as the truth. Because the bible has too many contradictions

Tell me what "contradictions" you mean and i will try to adress them, if you want

 

[ltn gooner]

The forum is pretty lustful so that can be a stumbling block for many. I feel most people interested in religious debate would be doing it elsewhere than here anyway.

Shoutout Our Lady of Lourdes.

.Org is just a hill place tbh. Theres much lust but you can see on the title of threads which ones are lustfull and just not interact w them. But i love your profile pic, mirin that

 

[ltn gooner]

Muhammad was based for that

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

You mean Istanbul, what was taken by the turks centuries ago

Taken by turks because the venetians decided to show their thanks for the romans protecting europe for centuries by sacking it

 

[ltn gooner]

Taken by turks because the venetians decided to show their thanks for the romans protecting europe for centuries by sacking it

I actually like orthos ngl. But sadly, yall got somethin wrong on in the trinity

 

[CloudyCuck]

Taken by turks because the venetians decided to show their thanks for the romans protecting europe for centuries by sacking it

Are you orthodox bhai?

Also, op don’t bother with these muslim retards. You can see he will never show proof. Discuss Vatican II with me instead

 

[CloudyCuck]

I actually like orthos ngl. But sadly, yall got somethin wrong on in the trinity

No we don’t jfl. The filioque was added by the franks for politicking. Catholics used to say our Nicene creed too

 

[ltn gooner]

No we don’t jfl. The filioque was added by the franks for politicking. Catholics used to say our Nicene creed too

No no no, its Our nicean creed. The filioque was added for clarification and to shut up arians

 

[ltn gooner]

Are you orthodox bhai?

Also, op don’t bother with these muslim retards. You can see he will never show proof. Discuss Vatican II with me instead

Yeah so what was your question on it again, im too lazy rn to search it

 

[Genio]

Your quote from nestorius, have fun in the one, true, holy, catholic church
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Btw the henosis your talking abt isn't real. Its obv that if i got the henosis, the two natures combine into one but thats simply not the case. I don't believe in henosis so i certainly do not believe in 2 natures after the henosis.
How can the human nature, that is limited and mortal combine with the Godly nature ? That just doesn't make any sense. Also how can Christ be fully human if his human nature, which gets dominated by the Godly nature, is mixed up with the Godly one. It just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah dumbass en theoria, is Cyril a Nestorian aswell kek

They forgot, though, that all things regularly distinguished at the merely speculative level isolate themselves completely in mutual difference and separate individuality. Take a normal human being. We perceive in him two natures: one that of the soul, a second that of the body. We seperate them, though, merely in thought, accepting the difference as simply residing in fine-drawn insight or mental intuition; we do not separate the natures after the Union, or attribute a capacity for radical severance to them, but see that they belong to one man so that the two are two no more and the single living being is constituted complete by the pair of them.
Saint Cyril of Alexandria, First letter to Succensus of Neoceasarea.

This is what he means by "I unite them in Worship" since they aren't seperated no longer after the union; Have fun with this quote, which utterly destroys your position.

For God the Word was, even before the incarnation, Son and God and together with the Father, but in the last times he took the form of a servant. * But because he was before that a Son and he was called so, after taking (this form) he cannot be called a separate Son, lest we propound a dogma of two sons, but, rather, since there has been conjoined that one who was at the beginning Son, to the one who was conjoined to him, it is impossible for him to undergo division (or seperation) in respect to the dignity of sonship.
Nestorius of Constantinople, Sermon 10, Fragment 275

Also, You cannot "not affirm a Henosis", because u hold Eph I, Chalcedon I, and Constantinople II, which all affirm a Hypostatic Union. or else the Natures should be Seperated, since there is no union holding them in place.

 

[ltn gooner]

Yeah dumbass en theoria, is Cyril a Nestorian aswell kek

They forgot, though, that all things regularly distinguished at the merely speculative level isolate themselves completely in mutual difference and separate individuality. Take a normal human being. We perceive in him two natures: one that of the soul, a second that of the body. We seperate them, though, merely in thought, accepting the difference as simply residing in fine-drawn insight or mental intuition; we do not separate the natures after the Union, or attribute a capacity for radical severance to them, but see that they belong to one man so that the two are two no more and the single living being is constituted complete by the pair of them.
Saint Cyril of Alexandria, First letter to Succensus of Neoceasarea.

This is what he means by "I unite them in Worship" since they aren't seperated no longer after the union; Have fun with this quote, which utterly destroys your position.

For God the Word was, even before the incarnation, Son and God and together with the Father, but in the last times he took the form of a servant. * But because he was before that a Son and he was called so, after taking (this form) he cannot be called a separate Son, lest we propound a dogma of two sons, but, rather, since there has been conjoined that one who was at the beginning Son, to the one who was conjoined to him, it is impossible for him to undergo division (or seperation) in respect to the dignity of sonship.
Nestorius of Constantinople, Sermon 10, Fragment 275

Also, You cannot "not affirm a Henosis", because u hold Eph I, Chalcedon I, and Constantinople II, which all affirm a Hypostatic Union. or else the Natures should be Seperated, since there is no union holding them in place.

So you bring up a quote where nestorius rejects nestorianism. You just said that nestorius doesn't believe in nestoriansim (whats def not true) + a quote where st cyrill holds a nestorian view and neither of them are pro miaphisitism.
Im sorry if i got your claim wrong but i understood the Word henosis in your argument as a combining of the two natures. The catholic church holds the position, that the two natures of christ are unmixed, unchanged and undivided.

 

[Genio]

So you bring up a quote where nestorius rejects nestorianism. You just said that nestorius doesn't believe in nestoriansim (whats def not true) + a quote where st cyrill holds a nestorian view and neither of them are pro miaphisitism.
Im sorry if i got your claim wrong but i understood the Word henosis in your argument as a combining of the two natures. The catholic church holds the position, that the two natures of christ are unmixed, unchanged and undivided.

Smartest Catholic since the Days of Capreolus.

Nestorius never believed in a Seperation of Natures post Union, Cyril just accused him of such because he held 2 natures after the union. I used that quote to show Seperation En Theoria isnt Nestorian and what made Nestorius christologically flawed was his acceptance of 2 Natures after the Union.

Henosis literally means Union in greek, We also hold that theyre unmixed, unchanged, and undivided.

 

[ltn gooner]

Smartest Catholic since the Days of Capreolus.

Nestorius never believed in a Seperation of Natures post Union, Cyril just accused him of such because he held 2 natures after the union. I used that quote to show Seperation En Theoria isnt Nestorian and what made Nestorius christologically flawed was his acceptance of 2 Natures after the Union.

Henosis literally means Union in greek, We also hold that theyre unmixed, unchanged, and undivided.

You shouldn’t be out here calling people names while a theological argument.
I doubt that you even know what nestorianism is tbh. You just Mix up monophysitsm and dyophysitism by saying that nestorius only flaw was his acceptance of two natures. And your qoutations dont give me any reason to accept miaphysitism

 

[Genio]

You shouldn’t be out here calling people names while a theological argument.
I doubt that you even know what nestorianism is tbh. You just Mix up monophysitsm and dyophysitism by saying that nestorius only flaw was his acceptance of two natures. And your qoutations dont give me any reason to accept miaphysitism

Ok you know what, youre right. my quotations were bad. Ill give u just 2 quotations and I want u to tell me if theyre nestorianism or Monophysitism or Dyophysitism, and this will help u understand.

Whenever you hear contradictory sayings of the one Son, then, distribute what is said between the natures as is appropriate. each nature receiving what was natural to it. who is one man, yet has two different natures, and makes decisions in one reality, but does what He has decided in the other, Thus the Son, being one and also being two natures, works the miracles in one of them, but took upon Himself humble things in the other. There is one sun, but two natures: one is the nature of light, the other the nature of a solar body. In this case, similarly, there is one Son and Lord and Christ and Only Begotten, but two natures, one that is beyond us, one that is our own.
Pope leo I of Rome, De Trinitate, Quoted by Chalcedonian Author "Leontius of Jerusalem" in his "Anti Monophysitas"

yet, with the acknowledgement of union the united elements no longer stand apart from each other but from then on there is one Son, one nature of him, the Word incarnate.
Saint Severus of Antioch, Epistle to Pope Benjamin of Alexandria on the Faith (Expositio Fidei)

 

[ltn gooner]

Ok you know what, youre right. my quotations were bad. Ill give u just 2 quotations and I want u to tell me if theyre nestorianism or Monophysitism or Dyophysitism, and this will help u understand.

Whenever you hear contradictory sayings of the one Son, then, distribute what is said between the natures as is appropriate. each nature receiving what was natural to it. who is one man, yet has two different natures, and makes decisions in one reality, but does what He has decided in the other, Thus the Son, being one and also being two natures, works the miracles in one of them, but took upon Himself humble things in the other. There is one sun, but two natures: one is the nature of light, the other the nature of a solar body. In this case, similarly, there is one Son and Lord and Christ and Only Begotten, but two natures, one that is beyond us, one that is our own.
Pope leo I of Rome, De Trinitate, Quoted by Chalcedonian Author "Leontius of Jerusalem" in his "Anti Monophysitas"

yet, with the acknowledgement of union the united elements no longer stand apart from each other but from then on there is one Son, one nature of him, the Word incarnate.
Saint Severus of Antioch, Epistle to Pope Benjamin of Alexandria on the Faith (Expositio Fidei)

So the first one is dyophysitism but honestly sounds kinda nestorian. The second one is miaphysitism

 

[Genio]

So the first one is dyophysitism but honestly sounds kinda nestorian. The second one is miaphysitism

The first quote isnt Pope Leo I of rome, it is Theodoret's "Exposition of Faith", which was quoted as Orthodox and actually written by Justin Martyr. So even your saints couldnt differentiate between Dyophysitism and Nestorianism, because theres no difference. both affirm 2 Natures post Union.

However, Im really glad u admit the second quote is Miaphysite, Because that is infact, Cyril of Alexandrias "Epistle to Eulogius the Priest", and not Saint Severus.

Good day sir, I will not be responding to this thread any longer.

 

[ProBono]

Thats faith maxxing

Debatemaxxing more like, the whole point of faith is uncertainty isn't it

 

[ltn gooner]

Debatemaxxing more like, the whole point of faith is uncertainty isn't it

Faith is certainty bhai

 

[C-Henny]

Faith is certainty bhai

 

[ltn gooner]

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[Studendi]

Eu já li livros de Tomás de Aquino. Se Ele é onipotente, pode criar lógica, física, ciência, leis. Pode criar o que quiser. Se quiser criar uma pedra que não possa mover fisicamente, pode fazê-lo. Quando quiser movê-la, pode remover a lógica/física, ou como queiram chamar, e tornar a pedra móvel. Você está olhando para isso através das lentes da nossa realidade, mas um ser onipotente transcende isso. E, mesmo sendo uma pedra imóvel, Deus ainda poderia tornar o mundo um lugar melhor e não punir em massa a raça humana por causa de algum pequeno erro cometido por Adão e Eva.

When we speak of omnipotence, it is said of God’s active power, which extends intrinsically to all possible beings. However, since the productive virtue of the effect is measured by the nature of the agent, and not the other way around, God cannot do anything that implies a contradiction. As God is the highest good simpliciter, i.e., that which exceeds all goods of any kinds and contains them eminently in Himself, therefore God cannot create anything that is not measured by His nature.

 

[ashdod_mogger]

I remember like a year+ ago there were some debates here and there and it was honestly fun to watch. But now i feel like every religious mf on here left. There are some christians like myself but no beef goin on like catholic vs protestant. I feel like the muslims on here left too and even the atheists are too scared to post on their faith.
LETS BRING BACK RELIGIOUS DEBATES
FUCK ATHEISM, FUCK ISLAM, SUBMIT TO ROME INCEL

Debates are for beta cucks, basically just respect others belief as long as they are legitimate to the level of it being sufficientlly coherent and consistent with facts. Regarding religion as of 2026 - I Don't mind it, doesn't make any sense tho