Which is more important for stimulating facial bone growth- Tesosterone or IGF-1?

[positiveloop]

I faintly remember reading that both stimulate osteoblasts

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Buttsex works like a charm

I noticed the guys who drop the soup grow bones faster

 

[positiveloop]

Buttsex works like a charm

I noticed the guys who drop the soup grow bones faster

What a fantastic contribution! Thank you!

Fml why didnt i post here in 2019 or something before all you tiktok teens got here

 

[idcgraycel]

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[redfacccee]

you need to consider a lot of things not just igf1 or testosterone, the factors that regulate growth include growth hormone, igf-1, thyroid hormone, estrogen, androgen, glucocorticoids, and vitamin d, and overnutrition is ideal. bone growth is the ultimate result of the coordinated signaling of both endocrine and paracrine/autocrine factors that interact to promote chondrocyte proliferation and hypertrophy in the growth plate.

 

[Osie]

you need to consider a lot of things not just igf1 or testosterone, the factors that regulate growth include growth hormone, igf-1, thyroid hormone, estrogen, androgen, glucocorticoids, and vitamin d, and overnutrition is ideal. bone growth is the ultimate result of the coordinated signaling of both endocrine and paracrine/autocrine factors that interact to promote chondrocyte proliferation and hypertrophy in the growth plate.

I am soon going to make a thread along those lines. Most height growth threads on here don't consider all the factors that lead to bone growth, leading to them getting no bone growth. Blasting HGH and AI in some cases will still not be enough since that only fulfills two factors of increasing height.

 

[TheDragon]

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[positiveloop]

you need to consider a lot of things not just igf1 or testosterone, the factors that regulate growth include growth hormone, igf-1, thyroid hormone, estrogen, androgen, glucocorticoids, and vitamin d, and overnutrition is ideal. bone growth is the ultimate result of the coordinated signaling of both endocrine and paracrine/autocrine factors that interact to promote chondrocyte proliferation and hypertrophy in the growth plate.

Thank you. Thats true, it is compilcated. mirin your knowledge.
But, i am talking specfically about what stimulates osteoblasts in the face, for exmaple you mentioned vitamin d but isnt it only importnant AFTER osteoblasts has been triggered, to utilize calcium for bone growth?

Growth hormone definitley does alot of the triggering, even adults who take it experiemce bone growth. But i wonder what is the rough percentage of inportance for each of these (igf1, hgh, T etc?) And are all of these absolutely crucial, or if one is low the others can sort of make up for it.

Estrogen could trigger osteoblats i think, especially in women, not sure. I have a theiry that my zygos grew sideways because of estrogen dominance.

Glycocorticoids do the opposite of activating osteoblasts right? So need to keep them low

Thyroid and andrigen idk about, you think they trigger bone formation?

 

[Deleted member 19371]

You have to chew aswell, but it will take a few months for any increase in bone mass or density cause it takes time for the growth factors to increase, I won’t pretend I remember the exact science behind it but the stuff that increases bone density takes months to build up to the point actual change occurs. This is backed by science, it’s just we don’t hear about it much

 

[positiveloop]

You have to chew aswell, but it will take a few months for any increase in bone mass or density cause it takes time for the growth factors to increase, I won’t pretend I remember the exact science behind it but the stuff that increases bone density takes months to build up to the point actual change occurs. This is backed by science, it’s just we don’t hear about it much

Thats true.
So bone density increase over time also leads to hypertrophy?

 

[positiveloop]

Thats true.
So bone density increase over time also leads to hypertrophy?

And do you think chewing activates osteoblasts independetly of hormones ?

 

[positiveloop]

cause it takes time for the growth factors to increase,

Wait nvm i missed this part
Which growth factors do you think?

 

[redfacccee]

Thank you. Thats true, it is compilcated. mirin your knowledge.
But, i am talking specfically about what stimulates osteoblasts in the face, for exmaple you mentioned vitamin d but isnt it only importnant AFTER osteoblasts has been triggered, to utilize calcium for bone growth?

Growth hormone definitley does alot of the triggering, even adults who take it experiemce bone growth. But i wonder what is the rough percentage of inportance for each of these (igf1, hgh, T etc?) And are all of these absolutely crucial, or if one is low the others can sort of make up for it.

Estrogen could trigger osteoblats i think, especially in women, not sure. I have a theiry that my zygos grew sideways because of estrogen dominance.

Glycocorticoids do the opposite of activating osteoblasts right? So need to keep them low

Thyroid and andrigen idk about, you think they trigger bone formation?

it would be hard to say if there is an order of importance, need to do more research. the simplest way and most obvious thing i could say is that you'd ideally want your body to be in an anabolic environment and do everything you can to be hormonally sound for the long-term to see any drastic effect. i recommend you look up osteoanabolics and what treatments they do for osteoporosis. theres drugs like teriparatide which i have been looking at and and will try sourcing..

 

[Deleted member 19371]

Wait nvm i missed this part
Which growth factors do you think?

I don’t remember the exact science but it was a Japanese study focusing on young men doing weight training and part of the study was “it is well known that it takes 4 to 6 months for changes in osteoblast and hormonal activity to increase bone density” I’m paraphrasing that obviously but the study showed that after 4 months there wasn’t an increase in bone density but there was an increase in basically all the predictors of increased bone density and the conclusion was roughly “We have shown weight training leads to increased bone density” based obviously off the markers, and then I looked it up on Google “does it take 6 months for bone density to increase” and I read A few studies and basically ye it does, which I had never known before

 

[Deleted member 19371]

And do you think chewing activates osteoblasts independetly of hormones ?

I’ve read studies a long time ago showing this to be the case yes

 

[Deleted member 19371]

Thats true.
So bone density increase over time also leads to hypertrophy?

you mean muscle Hypertrophy? I’m not sure

 

[positiveloop]

you mean muscle Hypertrophy? I’m not sure

No i meant bone, ie density increase overtime will eventually lead to larger bones? A common crticism of bonesmashing i remeber seeing is that based on wolff's law it only increases density and not size

 

[positiveloop]

I don’t remember the exact science but it was a Japanese study focusing on young men doing weight training and part of the study was “it is well known that it takes 4 to 6 months for changes in osteoblast and hormonal activity to increase bone density” I’m paraphrasing that obviously but the study showed that after 4 months there wasn’t an increase in bone density but there was an increase in basically all the predictors of increased bone density and the conclusion was roughly “We have shown weight training leads to increased bone density” based obviously off the markers, and then I looked it up on Google “does it take 6 months for bone density to increase” and I read A few studies and basically ye it does, which I had never known before

Interesting, but this study is talking about limb bone density tho, Maybe its differrent than facial?
Heavy weight lifting definetley increases bone density.

 

[Deleted member 19371]

Interesting, but this study is talking about limb bone density tho, Maybe its differrent than facial?
Heavy weight lifting definetley increases bone density.

Well I don’t personally see why it would be different, osteoblasts osteoclats igf 1, it’s everywhere. Maybe the japs will do a study on the jaw for us one day

 

[Deleted member 19371]

No i meant bone, ie density increase overtime will eventually lead to larger bones? A common crticism of bonesmashing i remeber seeing is that based on wolff's law it only increases density and not size

Probably. I know for a fact that it would work if you were a kid, as an adult or young adult I’m not sure but honestly on a long enough time frame I really don’t see why not. As long as you’re not 30 and your hormones are declining, you can get bigger denser bones

 

[actualunderstander]

Both. Look at roid copers that have been abusing a long time, they got that John Cena look, kind of like a neanderthal

 

[Mike141]

What a fantastic contribution! Thank you!

Fml why didnt i post here in 2019 or something before all you tiktok teens got here

“tiktok teens”
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[Deleted member 31022]

I faintly remember reading that both stimulate osteoblasts

igf

 

[positiveloop]

“tiktok teens”
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Not on tiktok and not a teen- unlike you
Found this site early 2019 on google image search; i am superior!

 

[Mike141]

Not on tiktok and not a teen- unlike you
Found this site early 2019 on google image search; i am superior!

sure buddy u found it in 2019 and didn’t create an account for years lmaooo all y’all 2023cels say this

 

[positiveloop]

sure buddy u found it in 2019 and didn’t create an account for years lmaooo all y’all 2023cels say this

I will not argue with a mentally ill teenager on which date i stumbled upon an internet forum

 

[positiveloop]

I will not argue with a mentally ill teenager on which date i stumbled upon an internet forum

Actually i will

 

[Donkeyballs]

Subliminals > mewing > bonesmashing > IGF1 > testosterone

 

[Donkeyballs]

Actually i will
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Bro please charge your celular device

 

[looksmaxxer14]

What a fantastic contribution! Thank you!

Fml why didnt i post here in 2019 or something before all you tiktok teens got here

when i first got here on my first acc there were trolls but this shit is just retarded now

 

[Mike141]

Actually i will
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first off ur a poorcel with that android of yours and second off the screenshot could easily be faked but i don’t care ur join date still says 2023

 

[positiveloop]

Subliminals > mewing > bonesmashing > IGF1 > testosterone

Subliminas OP man fr fr , hope it dont get patched️

 

[positiveloop]

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Bro please charge your celular device

I like to live on the edge

 

[positiveloop]

first off ur a poorcel with that android of yours and second off the screenshot could easily be faked but i don’t care ur join date still says 2023

Alright man