aristotelianism is following aristotles philosophy
there's no such thing as human morals, there's JUST morals. i didn't make a point that we didn't discover morals, stop lying
explain how he does that i didn't read him much
bro you’re missing the point of dialectic entirely if someone challenges your claim and keeps pressing it thats js precision no?
Mb that was a typo I meant u made an argument that humans did discover morals, and now ur contradicting urself cause u said before that intelligent alien life may have different morals to humans, and I made a point about a spiders morals and how they are different to humans, there is a clear distinction between human morals and other species morals
what is wrong with his argument?
No it’s lazy cause no progress is being made in the argument
everything has a purpose, and purpose is defined by quality of something that defines it's substantial essence.
if morality was not a metaphysical thing we wouldn't argue about it here. we have serial killers because they violate morals
Nigger I pressed you and you weren't able to respond
thats kind of an interestng thing to say boyo if intelligence leads to similar moral systems then aliens should converge toward ours no?. and if you admit spiders have different ‘morals,’' then ur proving that morality is species specific n not universal its either morality is relative and shaped by biology or its metaphysical and shared but you can’t have both nigger
who ru again?
I’m not saying both I’m saying the first one
if good is dependent on humans (according to your logic) then i can claim that it's not dependent because i define it
this retarded claim has no purpose as well, it's wrong thenNothing has a purposeholy cope
I beg you @lucifer88 explain me how I am wrong so we can proceed with our dialectical process
Religion was just an inevitability of confused peoples scattered about the globe.
im making a new thread ill tag you
no, there were immoral shitty times, and immoral state as well
i've never claimed something about aliens
What do you mean by immoral? Platos ideas of Justice in the republic really goes well here.
Brutal IQPill for u lil boy
niggas deadass use spiders as examplesi've never claimed something about aliens
and spiders do not have morals at all, they don't have reason (ability for thought) to discover it
XDBrutal IQPill for u lil boy
let me phrase it differently for lowiq lifeforms like u: the laws of nature which create gravity just exist.
U are an actual fucking retard if u don't acknowledge the fact that something can exist
get outa my thread grey and dont ever interact with me again, this platform doesn't need any more dyslexic retards
it's what he does, i debunk it
They come from God, morality is grounded in a transcendental being
U fucking idiot bro, thinks don’t just exist there are reasons for them. Ur saying u don’t think there’s a reason for gravity it just exists. Still IQpillBrutal IQPill for u lil boy
let me phrase it differently for lowiq lifeforms like u: the laws of nature which create gravity just exist.
U are an actual fucking retard if u don't acknowledge the fact that something can exist
get outa my thread grey and dont ever interact with me again, this platform doesn't need any more dyslexic retards
did u even read what i said u fucking dyslexic buffoon. i said the reasons that things exist just exist. if u wanna be a lil fucking bitch
Quality replyJust a starting statement; It's important to understand that there is also not really a universal moral compass for humanity; Morality differs from society to society.
Now,
There are multiple theories about where our sense of morality comes from.
Some say it's from God, others say it's intuition. I'm willing to bet that intuition is not a very good theory as to where our morality comes from. As stated above, morality differs from society to society, so stating that our morality comes from intuition would imply that different societies have different intuitions, which is sort of counterintuitive as it implies that there is some form of outside influence on our intuition which goes against the concept of intuition.
The idea that our morality comes from God is a pretty solid one, even if you don't believe that God exists. The concept of God (all powerful, all just, all knowing etc. being) is enough of a motivating factor for us to do whatever 'God' may have instructed us to do and to think what God tells us to think (e.g. murder is wrong, homosexuality is wrong etc.)
As time goes on and God's prevalence in society changes, the way we view morality also changes. Now within contemporary society, we have sort of resorted to emotivism (i.e. 'murder is wrong' = 'boo, murder!' which is not an attempt to make a factual statement about murder being right or wrong, it just expresses an emotional response to the idea of murder.) or prescriptivism (i.e 'murder is wrong' = 'don't murder people!' which is also not an attempt to make a factual statement about murder being right or wrong, it just implies the imperative 'don't murder people' because as a society this is beneficial.)
TLDR; Humanity does not have a united moral compass. There are many theories as to how we arrived at our way of thinking. Religion has shaped/does shape morals, but now some societies / groups within societies are starting to diverge from the religious moral standpoint.
Hope this helps
it just means that some societies are immoral, because morality is universalJust a starting statement; It's important to understand that there is also not really a universal moral compass for humanity; Morality differs from society to society.
Now,
There are multiple theories about where our sense of morality comes from.
Some say it's from God, others say it's intuition. I'm willing to bet that intuition is not a very good theory as to where our morality comes from. As stated above, morality differs from society to society, so stating that our morality comes from intuition would imply that different societies have different intuitions, which is sort of counterintuitive as it implies that there is some form of outside influence on our intuition which goes against the concept of intuition.
The idea that our morality comes from God is a pretty solid one, even if you don't believe that God exists. The concept of God (all powerful, all just, all knowing etc. being) is enough of a motivating factor for us to do whatever 'God' may have instructed us to do and to think what God tells us to think (e.g. murder is wrong, homosexuality is wrong etc.)
As time goes on and God's prevalence in society changes, the way we view morality also changes. Now within contemporary society, we have sort of resorted to emotivism (i.e. 'murder is wrong' = 'boo, murder!' which is not an attempt to make a factual statement about murder being right or wrong, it just expresses an emotional response to the idea of murder.) or prescriptivism (i.e 'murder is wrong' = 'don't murder people!' which is also not an attempt to make a factual statement about murder being right or wrong, it just implies the imperative 'don't murder people' because as a society this is beneficial.)
TLDR; Humanity does not have a united moral compass. There are many theories as to how we arrived at our way of thinking. Religion has shaped/does shape morals, but now some societies / groups within societies are starting to diverge from the religious moral standpoint.
Hope this helps
I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm intrigued as to what your reasoning is.
moral relativism debunks itself cuz this claim about morals being relative is also relative by that logic.
