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90% of collagen product takers use it through collagen cream
9.999% of collagen product takers use it through supplements
0.001% of collagen product takers use it through injections
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Collagen Cream - 100% cope:
To penetrate a skin a molecule has to have a molecular weight of 500 daltons or less (search up 500 daltons on google for more info on this, it's a good rule to know if a topically applied product is cope)
The molecular weight of Natural collagen is around 300,000 DALTONS
Higher quality synthetic collagen can reach 2,000-5,000 daltons, though this is still too big
"Actually bhaiya my collagen cream claims 300-500 daltons which is enough to penetrate the skin"
Fucking think. Do you really think the weight of normal natural human collagen of 300,000 daltons can be made to be 1,000 times less? The collagen they are using is FISH COLLAGEN
"saaar theres studies showing fish collagen increases skin, blood and hair health"
These "studies" are on WOUNDS, not on skincare. Though skincare companies love using them to make unsuspecting post menopause ladies to buy their creams
The reason your so called collagen cream seems to have an effect is because skin care companies smartly put actual skin care chemicals in that cream which actually helps your skin, but the collagen inside that cream is doing none of the leg work.
They CAN advertise it as collagen cream since it IS cream and it DOES have collagen
They CAN advertise it as anti aging cream because of the other chemicals inside of it.
By the time anyone bothers to do anything about it they've already made their money from old ladies.
Nobody is class action lawsuiting them unless the cream makes their fucking skin fall off
Most the company will do it just refund them or send them a replacement or give them cash to spend on their other products.
Collagen Supplements - 85% cope:
The logic behind collagen supplements is the same as vitamins. "Okay, if I take 4,000 iu of vitamin d3 a day, my body will have 4,000 more iu of vitamin d3 a day than it does now! So it must be the same for collagen!!
In actuality you aren't taking collagen when you take collagen supplements (unless, ofcourse, you are taking fish collagen supplements) the same way you take vitamin d3 when you take vitamin d3 supplements.
If the vitamin d3 supplement is legit and not oil in a capsule from china, when you take that vitd3 sup, you are LITERALLY ingesting vitamin d3 molecules and your body is absorbing it.
This is not the case for collagen supplements. If you took middle school biology you'd know proteins are made up of amino acids in the body, and if you know anything about collagen - it's a protein, specifically made up of the amino acids glycine, proline and hydroxyproline.
THIS is what's in collagen supplements. If you don't get what I mean. This is like instead of drinking water you put oxygen and hydrogen (since water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen for you retards out there) in a capsule and hoping your body makes water by combining the oxygen and hydrogen.
Now ofcourse, the body doesn't have a natural process for creating water in the body but it DOES have a natural process of making collagen in the body.
So whilst it DOES increase collagen by giving your body the special ingredients collagen is made of and hoping it makes it, it's limited to how much collagen your body actually cares to make. What if you are currently minorly deficient in a protein that glycine is required to make? What if your body puts that hydroxyproline towards making HIF-1α instead of collagen because it wants to restore oxygen homeostasis by inducing glycolysis, erythropoiesis and angiogenesis?
What if your genetics just say fuck you and your body just naturally makes essentially no collagen from the ingredients it's given?
So when you take 4,000 iu vitamin d3, you ARE getting 4,000 ui vitamin d3 going into your body and being used.
But when you take a 400mg collagen supplement, your body COULD make 400mg of collagen with it
, or it could make 0.00027941mg of collagen witih it D: and usually it's closer to the latter.
Now ofcourse, this is not to say it's completely cope, that's why it's 85%. There is proof that taking collagen supplements increases the amount of collagen in the blood. So it does go systemic to some degree. But alot of it is fake advertising fluff.
Again, to repeat, when you take a 400mg collagen supplement, your body could use it to make 400mg of actual collagen, or it could just use the amino acids in the supplement to focus on completely different processes, and that's only if the supplement even is made of the hydrolysates of collagen (amino acids), and the manufacterer didn't retardedly just put the entire collagen molecule into it (you might aswell chug rat piss for collagen if this is the case)
I don't know enough about fish collagen to deboonk it, but this is only because there is basically no studies on it on anti aging, so this already puts it in the COPE category.
Collagen Injections - 0% cope:
Not much to say on this. You are literally getting a solution that contains collagen proteins and injecting it into your skin. This is basically what collagen cream claims to do and what collagen supplements claims your body does with it. This is the best way to take collagen by far.
And ofcourse the results are fucking insane:
All different woman.
A 250-1,500 £ procedure casually removing 10-15 years of wrinkles off these ladies face.
250 is localised treatment price (only upper lip, only brow) and like 1,500 is entire face. Definitely getting this when I'm older.
Ofcourse they are other LEGIT ways of increasing collagen like microneedling and Platelet Rich Treatment (PRP)
The difference between PRP and collagen injections ofcourse is PRP increases the body's natural production of collagen (better if you're younger. I'd get it when 21) And collagen injections straight up gives your facial skin collagen. No middleman. (better when you're older when your body's production is basically nuked anyways)
This means that..
PRP is best for young people, for older it's basically cope
YOUNG PEOPLE:
OLD PEOPLE:
If you're 18-28 reading this, do PRP, if you're 28+, collagen injections way to go
Post over, I hope if you've made it this far you learnt atleast one thing new.
90% of collagen product takers use it through collagen cream
9.999% of collagen product takers use it through supplements
0.001% of collagen product takers use it through injections
Time to discuss them
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To penetrate a skin a molecule has to have a molecular weight of 500 daltons or less (search up 500 daltons on google for more info on this, it's a good rule to know if a topically applied product is cope)
The molecular weight of Natural collagen is around 300,000 DALTONS
Higher quality synthetic collagen can reach 2,000-5,000 daltons, though this is still too big
"Actually bhaiya my collagen cream claims 300-500 daltons which is enough to penetrate the skin"
Fucking think. Do you really think the weight of normal natural human collagen of 300,000 daltons can be made to be 1,000 times less? The collagen they are using is FISH COLLAGEN
"saaar theres studies showing fish collagen increases skin, blood and hair health"
These "studies" are on WOUNDS, not on skincare. Though skincare companies love using them to make unsuspecting post menopause ladies to buy their creams
The reason your so called collagen cream seems to have an effect is because skin care companies smartly put actual skin care chemicals in that cream which actually helps your skin, but the collagen inside that cream is doing none of the leg work.
They CAN advertise it as collagen cream since it IS cream and it DOES have collagen
They CAN advertise it as anti aging cream because of the other chemicals inside of it.
By the time anyone bothers to do anything about it they've already made their money from old ladies.
Nobody is class action lawsuiting them unless the cream makes their fucking skin fall off
Most the company will do it just refund them or send them a replacement or give them cash to spend on their other products.
Collagen Supplements - 85% cope:
The logic behind collagen supplements is the same as vitamins. "Okay, if I take 4,000 iu of vitamin d3 a day, my body will have 4,000 more iu of vitamin d3 a day than it does now! So it must be the same for collagen!!
In actuality you aren't taking collagen when you take collagen supplements (unless, ofcourse, you are taking fish collagen supplements) the same way you take vitamin d3 when you take vitamin d3 supplements.
If the vitamin d3 supplement is legit and not oil in a capsule from china, when you take that vitd3 sup, you are LITERALLY ingesting vitamin d3 molecules and your body is absorbing it.
This is not the case for collagen supplements. If you took middle school biology you'd know proteins are made up of amino acids in the body, and if you know anything about collagen - it's a protein, specifically made up of the amino acids glycine, proline and hydroxyproline.
THIS is what's in collagen supplements. If you don't get what I mean. This is like instead of drinking water you put oxygen and hydrogen (since water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen for you retards out there) in a capsule and hoping your body makes water by combining the oxygen and hydrogen.
Now ofcourse, the body doesn't have a natural process for creating water in the body but it DOES have a natural process of making collagen in the body.
So whilst it DOES increase collagen by giving your body the special ingredients collagen is made of and hoping it makes it, it's limited to how much collagen your body actually cares to make. What if you are currently minorly deficient in a protein that glycine is required to make? What if your body puts that hydroxyproline towards making HIF-1α instead of collagen because it wants to restore oxygen homeostasis by inducing glycolysis, erythropoiesis and angiogenesis?
What if your genetics just say fuck you and your body just naturally makes essentially no collagen from the ingredients it's given?
So when you take 4,000 iu vitamin d3, you ARE getting 4,000 ui vitamin d3 going into your body and being used.
But when you take a 400mg collagen supplement, your body COULD make 400mg of collagen with it
, or it could make 0.00027941mg of collagen witih it D: and usually it's closer to the latter.Now ofcourse, this is not to say it's completely cope, that's why it's 85%. There is proof that taking collagen supplements increases the amount of collagen in the blood. So it does go systemic to some degree. But alot of it is fake advertising fluff.
Again, to repeat, when you take a 400mg collagen supplement, your body could use it to make 400mg of actual collagen, or it could just use the amino acids in the supplement to focus on completely different processes, and that's only if the supplement even is made of the hydrolysates of collagen (amino acids), and the manufacterer didn't retardedly just put the entire collagen molecule into it (you might aswell chug rat piss for collagen if this is the case)
I don't know enough about fish collagen to deboonk it, but this is only because there is basically no studies on it on anti aging, so this already puts it in the COPE category.
Collagen Injections - 0% cope:
Not much to say on this. You are literally getting a solution that contains collagen proteins and injecting it into your skin. This is basically what collagen cream claims to do and what collagen supplements claims your body does with it. This is the best way to take collagen by far.
And ofcourse the results are fucking insane:
All different woman.
A 250-1,500 £ procedure casually removing 10-15 years of wrinkles off these ladies face.
250 is localised treatment price (only upper lip, only brow) and like 1,500 is entire face. Definitely getting this when I'm older.
Ofcourse they are other LEGIT ways of increasing collagen like microneedling and Platelet Rich Treatment (PRP)
The difference between PRP and collagen injections ofcourse is PRP increases the body's natural production of collagen (better if you're younger. I'd get it when 21) And collagen injections straight up gives your facial skin collagen. No middleman. (better when you're older when your body's production is basically nuked anyways)
This means that..
PRP is best for young people, for older it's basically cope
YOUNG PEOPLE:
OLD PEOPLE:
If you're 18-28 reading this, do PRP, if you're 28+, collagen injections way to go
Post over, I hope if you've made it this far you learnt atleast one thing new.
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