Why are niggas on here so obssessed with iq

[Crusile]

Wat are you even saying here. Between your shitty argumentation and broken english half your posts i dont understand lol

Also i looked at your profiles threads and its obvious you're a coper, lol at your " you must learn all day" shit. Trying to compensate

lol at your brain, I said "literally all" referring to subtests, because you said "7 of the 8 subtests"

Literally all (subtests), test for obtained knowledge

 

[Crusile]

Its literally not tho???? The fuck i just looked it up you can objectively see 90% of the modern official test isnt knowledge lol. Ive been education maxxed since i was little and i still havent really increased my comprehensive power. Lazy uncurious MIT students wud mog me to hell (even tho thats unlikely cuz iq does correlate positively with being more curious)

yea, because IQ tests don't measure intelligence. Intelligence is something else. Differences in IQ are due to behavior (knowledge seeking behavior)

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Iq measures SOMETHING
That SOMETHING clearly has importance
Therefore iq tests are important

And hows my argument messier than the other guys? He keeps parroting shit whthout explanation and makes ridiculously sweeping statements without evidence or jumping to giant conclusions like that intelligence cant be found in the brain or that it cant be measured or that iq tests dont measure anything

I see, but you can see how this is entirely baseless, right? In opposition, his position is twofold. So, he would want you to link intelligence to something objective, a gene, some component of the brain, etc., which we obviously can't do right now. And on the other end, he would also suggest that we would be better served tying intelligence to things we can actually account and control for, external factors. Sure, there might be something innate, but we definitely aren't there yet, the IQ test can neither point us to that innate trait, nor does it measure that innate trait. So it's baseless in regard to intelligence.

So an IQ test isn't useless, we can use it to predict things, of course, but it doesn't measure intelligence. You need a physical property to measure.


I understand what you are getting at though, it seems "self-evident", the super smart kids do well on an IQ test and the super dumb kids do poorly, but it's not wise to work like that. And as I suggested earlier, it's the reason why I'm agnostic to the god and God, because pertaining to the christian god, it might be self-evident that this is manmade and nonsensical, but you could never actually know a god doesn't exist, because of limitations.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

You're argument hurts yourself lol

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://psychopathyis.org/screening/%23:~:text%3DThe%2520PCL%252DR%2520and%2520related,is%2520used%2520to%2520measure%2520it.&ved=2ahUKEwiwqcv5nJv_AhXPMlkFHcXhC2gQFnoECBAQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1WM0bV2dhydjMnCWFOKUB_

Theres psychopathy tests. Obviously yes these psychological concepts are kinda ephemeral and hard to measure or even define but that doesnt mean they are meaningless. Thats just how social sciences work

Yeah, I already covered the psychopathy thing, I was trying for an analogy, not suggesting 1:1, I thought an analogy could bridge the gap between you two. I suppose a better analogy basis would be like measuring ideas, or measuring creativity, and I'm sure you can draw correlations.

It was just a bad analogy, I just spit out at the time. lol We can be charitable.

 

[Crusile]

You are confusing knowledge with "game show trivia knowledge"

 

[LampPostPrime]

lol at your brain, I said "literally all" referring to subtests, because you said "7 of the 8 subtests"

Literally all (subtests), test for obtained knowledge

Dude you spend all day learning for this result . You can literally look this up lmao. Im on phone im too lazy. U can look it up yourself if ur not being dishonest

 

[LampPostPrime]

Yeah, I already covered the psychopathy thing, I was trying for an analogy, not suggesting 1:1, I thought an analogy could bridge the gap between you two. I suppose a better analogy basis would be like measuring ideas, or measuring creativity, and I'm sure you can draw correlations.

It was just a bad analogy, I just spit out at the time. lol We can be charitable.

I know my arguments not that good lol. Ironically supports my side tho, ive researched this topic a fair bit but still cant really argue for it that well BECAUSE of the innate limits of my intelligence lol.

But my arguments still better than his

 

[Deleted member 29796]

@LampPostPrime

And I would be inclined to agree with you, I just don't want to hold to affirmations, I don't take a hard stance. Also, what is your brief take on determinism do you lean towards it?

 

[LampPostPrime]

Also whats your explanation then for the health and longevity correlation?

 

[LampPostPrime]

@LampPostPrime

And I would be inclined to agree with you, I just don't want to hold to affirmations, I don't take a hard stance. Also, what is your brief take on determinism do you lean towards it?

Im not sure tbh. Its something i constantly think about tho speaking as a gigantic fuck up in life lol. It really does feel like somethings controlling me when i do something irresponsible for the 8 millionth time. But i just dont know, i mean there are other people who have it bad but still get their shit together

 

[LampPostPrime]

I see, but you can see how this is entirely baseless, right? In opposition, his position is twofold. So, he would want you to link intelligence to something objective, a gene, some component of the brain, etc., which we obviously can't do right now. And on the other end, he would also suggest that we would be better served tying intelligence to things we can actually account and control for, external factors. Sure, there might be something innate, but we definitely aren't there yet, the IQ test can neither point us to that innate trait, nor does it measure that innate trait. So it's baseless in regard to intelligence.

So an IQ test isn't useless, we can use it to predict things, of course, but it doesn't measure intelligence. You need a physical property to measure.


I understand what you are getting at though, it seems "self-evident", the super smart kids do well on an IQ test and the super dumb kids do poorly, but it's not wise to work like that. And as I suggested earlier, it's the reason why I'm agnostic to the god and God, because pertaining to the christian god, it might be self-evident that this is manmade and nonsensical, but you could never actually know a god doesn't exist, because of limitations.

Well i think thats what the heritability studies show. Iqs already been shown to be largely genetic. Obviously still environmental factors tho

I think east asia is a good experiment in this tho. Billions of hardworking educationmaxxed people so just intelligence and drive that make you succeed. And hard to say its drive if you're a chinese failure because so many are driven there

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Im not sure tbh. Its something i constantly think about tho speaking as a gigantic fuck up in life lol. It really does feel like somethings controlling me when i do something irresponsible for the 8 millionth time. But i just dont know, i mean there are other people who have it bad but still get their shit together

I see, I'm a hard determinist, but I think it's unhealthy to be, outside of helping others. I almost wish I could escape the idea entirely. On this conversation though, I would say, I see both points, I don't think you are being illogical, I just think we are getting muddy where we don't have to be and perspectives are influencing positions. It's just always going to be harder to defend a affirmation vs agnosticism. Plus, @Crusile is also approaching it from an ethics perspective, and on that note, I can definitely acknowledge the toxicity of it. And it definitely wasn't something I acknowledged before I entered this thread.

So I came in with your opinion, I just recognize that it's a bit hard to refute his position at the current time, so I came off the hard stance. I just have no problem being moved off my position, if I feel it's weak. But I definitely see your point, I wouldn't just handwave your position, I just can't debate and win with it in a formal setting, if we are adhering to reaching "truth", if that makes sense.

 

[LampPostPrime]

I see, I'm a hard determinist, but I think it's unhealthy to be, outside of helping others. I almost wish I could escape the idea entirely. On this conversation though, I would say, I see both points, I don't think you are being illogical, I just think we are getting muddy where we don't have to be and perspectives are influencing positions. It's just always going to be harder to defend a affirmation vs agnosticism. Plus, @Crusile is also approaching it from an ethics perspective, and on that note, I can definitely acknowledge the toxicity of it. And it definitely wasn't something I acknowledged before I entered this thread.

So I came in with your opinion, I just recognize that it's a bit hard to refute his position at the current time, so I came off the hard stance. I just have no problem being moved off my position, if I feel it's weak. But I definitely see your point, I wouldn't just handwave your position, I just can't debate and win with it in a formal setting, if we are adhering to reaching "truth", if that makes sense.

I mean we're seeking truth not the easiest way to get through life or what makes people cope easier lol. So ethics or any of that shit doesnt matter

 

[Crusile]

Well i think thats what the heritability studies show. Iqs already been shown to be largely genetic. Obviously still environmental factors tho

I think east asia is a good experiment in this tho. Billions of hardworking educationmaxxed people so just intelligence and drive that make you succeed. And hard to say its drive if you're a chinese failure because so many are driven there

The genetic component is thought to be knowledge seeking behavior, therfore not innate. It's not causal genes of intelligence it is causal gene that influences choices in environment

 

[LampPostPrime]

And its not an affirmation like a god is which is unfalsifiable. Im just going by the consensus of research. I acknowledged iq isnt everything i just think it means a lot . Not everything but a lot.

 

[LampPostPrime]

The genetic component is thought to be knowledge seeking behavior, therfore not innate.

Where do you get this from? Also you're still running away from explaining the longevitg correlation

 

[Deleted member 29796]

I mean we're seeking truth not the easiest way to get through life or what makes people cope easier lol. So ethics or any of that shit doesnt matter

True, I seek truth, but I also operate on improving overall wellbeing. So, the truths can be present and hurt, that's fine, but I don't want to cause harm if we aren't certain of it. So if IQ is causing harm, limiting people, when they could do better, it might be best to wane off of it until we are certain of it, and instead we can control for this things we know impact success. I just note that his position is twofold.

 

[LampPostPrime]

True, I seek truth, but I also operate on improving overall wellbeing. So, the truths can be present and hurt, that's fine, but I don't want to cause harm if we aren't certain of it. So if IQ is causing harm, limiting people, when they could do better, it might be best to wane off of it until we are certain of it, and instead we can control for this things we know impact success. I just note that his position is twofold.

Idk. Iq could possibly be good if people know their limits. Thats less stressing and self hate if you know you're incapable of getting to that good school or whatever

 

[Crusile]

Where do you get this from? Also you're still running away from explaining the longevitg correlation

confounding association, if you can't prove g to be causal of "longevity"

 

[try2beme]

Idk. Iq could possibly be good if people know their limits. Thats less stressing and self hate if you know you're incapable of getting to that good school or whatever

People never know their limits

Especially when its typically insecure, incompetent niggas looking to fuel their ego with massive iq cope

Zero chance

 

[Deleted member 22124]

Cope for ugly people, like money.

Doesn't mean it's bad if you know what to do with it, but GL people don't need it to get ahead in life.

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

Its pretty funny when you factor in that most of the niggas here are in a public school with average grades, little to no real prospects,, watching tiktoks all day

Yet somehow think they are superior to Africans and blacks because they are a low IQ race

Just a big JFL

 

[Crusile]

Idk. Iq could possibly be good if people know their limits. Thats less stressing and self hate if you know you're incapable of getting to that good school or whatever

What if IQ measured something that was dependent on self belief of your capabilities?

 

[try2beme]

Its pretty funny when you factor in that most of the niggas here are in a public school with average grades, little to no real prospects,, watching tiktoks all day

Yet somehow think they are superior to Africans and blacks because they are a low IQ race

Just a big JFL

White supremacists are subhumans that are all talk.

 

[Crusile]

True, I seek truth, but I also operate on improving overall wellbeing. So, the truths can be present and hurt, that's fine, but I don't want to cause harm if we aren't certain of it. So if IQ is causing harm, limiting people, when they could do better, it might be best to wane off of it until we are certain of it, and instead we can control for this things we know impact success. I just note that his position is twofold.

If it's predictive power exists within other predictive instruments, its usefulness exists to isolate "g". But for what reason if you don't know what g is? that is the specific/exact question

g as a false variable

http://bactra.org/weblog/523.html

 

[LampPostPrime]

If it's predictive power exists within other predictive instruments, its usefulness exists to isolate "g". But for what reason if you don't know what g is? that is the specific/exact question

g as a false variable

http://bactra.org/weblog/523.html

Still havent answered the iq longevity correlation

 

[LampPostPrime]

Its pretty funny when you factor in that most of the niggas here are in a public school with average grades, little to no real prospects,, watching tiktoks all day

Yet somehow think they are superior to Africans and blacks because they are a low IQ race

Just a big JFL

Those blacks arent even in school and/or are failing. And often committing crimes

You dont think average grades law abiding civilized people are better than dropout criminals?

 

[LampPostPrime]

Cope for ugly people, like money.

Doesn't mean it's bad if you know what to do with it, but GL people don't need it to get ahead in life.

Money, looks and iq all matter a lot. Most here dont know how much money matters tho cuz theyre sheltered suburbanites tho lol

 

[LampPostPrime]

People never know their limits

Especially when its typically insecure, incompetent niggas looking to fuel their ego with massive iq cope

Zero chance

Theyre insecure but theyre smart. They can still do a lot but the mental health holds them back. You act like incels have nothing going for them at all

 

[dutchboi]

I have taken an irl legit one, got 137

Trust me you dont want that

Ppl think ur aspie as fuck while i dont even have autism or some shit

 

[solid7/10]

I have taken an irl legit one, got 137

Trust me you dont want that

Ppl think ur aspie as fuck while i dont even have autism or some shit

You definitely want it. Super helpful. Just have to also be handsome or people call you weird. I was legitimately tested 146iq as a kid and put in gifted my whole life but tall+handsome has allowed me to be myself without prejudice essentially. Man its such an advantage though I'm better than some people at literally everything I try for even an hour.

 

[LampPostPrime]

Ok 1 guy with 137 is one thing but then another with a literal 1 in 1000 iq is deffo esttating lol.then claiming to be chad on top

 

[dutchboi]

You definitely want it. Super helpful. Just have to also be handsome or people call you weird. I was legitimately tested 146iq as a kid and put in gifted my whole life but tall+handsome has allowed me to be myself without prejudice essentially. Man its such an advantage though I'm better than some people at literally everything I try for even an hour.

 

[dutchboi]

Ok 1 guy with 137 is one thing but then another with a literal 1 in 1000 iq is deffo esttating lol.then claiming to be chad on top

If i had a way of proving it i would but idk how

 

[LampPostPrime]

If i had a way of proving it i would but idk how

I can believe 1 person in the 99th percentile, especially on incel forums. No matter how much people like to troll saying incels are both dumb AND ugly i think to not mindlessly follow bluepill in jn the first place shows 100+ iq. So more likely to find top 1% here

But then another guy giving an iq thats 1 in 1000 is pushing it too far into tales territory lol

 

[Crusile]

Still havent answered the iq longevity correlation

I said it was a confounding association

 

[loksr]

number 1 correlating factor of life success. "means nothing at all"

Good family = better schooling + nutrition = higher iq
Good family = connections = success in life

Every study on this topic shows that the vast majority of people will die in the same class level that they were born in. An iq mogger born in a trailer park will die in a trailer park. IQ doesn’t cause success, IQ correlates to factors that DO cause success (familial/schooling/business connections)

 

[LampPostPrime]

I said it was a confounding association

What do you mean?