Why are people here still trying to deny the importance of face in comparison to height?

[Former Shortcel]

To deny that face triumphs all is pure delusion

People typically look at your face first when they first meet you (your eyes if we want to be more specific) , within milliseconds theyre already forming an impression of your facial attractiveness based on cues such as facial harmony, symmetry, health indicators, dimorphism, facial angularity, etc

Only after that do they take into account of your height, frame, and physique

Obviously height, frame and physique matter too for slaying, it isnt one singular trait that you must have in order to guarantee getting into a womans pants.

But if your face wasnt as important as height (or other traits such as your frame), people wouldnt instinctively look there first, and first impressions wouldnt form so quickly either

Besides, unless youre a manlet, height will barely even do anything for your perceived attraction from women.

A jump from 5’3 to 5’7 or 5’6 to 5’10 can make a more meaningful difference, whereas a jump from 6’0 to 6’4 is far less likely to transform how attractive you are perceived to be. Since once you are already above average in terms of height each inch added will barely even do anything for your SMV

 

[Former Shortcel]

@iblamexyz @Wicket

And this is coming from someone who grew up as a giga manlet for a lot of their life. Ive noticed the difference in treatment once I became a respectable height — the respect you get from others, women more likely to notice you and show attraction towards you, people perceive you as being more masculine with a bigger dick when youre taller

But face will triumph all when it comes to attraction, there are only select cases where this is even debatable

A majority of those who go on about the importance of the heightpill so much are either men of average-slightly below average height who cant accept that their face is lacking, or tallfags who only have their height going for them and need to find a way to cope

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Users don’t come on here because they’re short they come cuz they’re ugly

 

[theblueprints]

Users don’t come on here because they’re short they come cuz they’re ugly

it’s both

 

[Wicket]

To deny that face triumphs all is pure delusion

People typically look at your face first when they first meet you (your eyes if we want to be more specific) , within milliseconds theyre already forming an impression of your facial attractiveness based on cues such as facial harmony, symmetry, health indicators, dimorphism, , facial angularity, etc

Only after that do they take into account of your height, frame, and physique

Obviously height, frame and physique matter too for slaying, it isnt one singular trait that you must have in order to guarantee getting into a womans pants.

But if your face wasnt as important as height (or other traits such as your frame), people wouldnt instinctively look there first, and first impressions wouldnnt form so quickly either

Besides, unless youre a manlet, height will barely even do anything for your perceived attraction from women.

A jump from 5’3 to 5’7 or 5’6 to 5’10 can make a more meaningful difference, whereas a jump from 6’0 to 6’4 is far less likely to transform how attractive you are perceived to be. Since once you are already above average in terms of height each inch added will barely even do anything for your SMV

The only pure difference height will make is if you're below average
If you're like 5 foot 9 + and are genuinely good looking youll be fine with a lot of women
Look at Tom cruise for example

 

[horseman.]

I agree. Face is for socialising and connecting , height and frame is for dominance and status. Girls who prefer just height are just fetishising you, it’s way colder and lustful than compared to a girl liking your face, she can actually connect with that

 

[Former Shortcel]

The only pure difference height will make is if you're below average
If you're like 5 foot 9 + and are genuinely good looking youll be fine with a lot of women
Look at Tom cruise for example

Women are absolutely terrible at estimating height too

This can be due to a mixture of things such as men lying about their height to them, so their idea of 6ft is just straight up wrong. I know men who are 5’8 where women thought they were almost 6ft.

Or it can be due to a man having a wider frame or overall proportions that make him look taller

 

[Wicket]

Women are absolutely terrible at estimating height too

This can be due to a mixture of things such as men lying about their height to them, so their idea of 6ft is just straight up wrong. I know men who are 5’8 where women thought they were almost 6ft.

Or it can be due to a man having a wider frame or overall proportions that make him look taller

I usually just lie about my height to most people
I stand at around 6 foot 1 and just say im 6 foot 2 cause of my shoes
People dont see any different and I cba to tell them
Also if people really want that extra inch there's boosters and shoes for that
Women are usually oblivious to how tall people are and just go for the numbers

 

[Tenres]

Plus there's immediately diminishing returns on your height, but if you're good looking enough you can get by exclusively on that. Good post

 

[Former Shortcel]

Plus there's immediately diminishing returns on your height, but if you're good looking enough you can get by exclusively on that. Good post

100%

You can be 6’5 and it will barely make a difference to your SMV/ how attractive you are perceived to be by women in comparison to your 6’0 self

Meanwhile, as you said, you can be average-below average height with a HTN+ face and be just fine

This is also evident by the fact when people on this forum see a user who is good looking, they immediately say “Why are you on this forum bro?” this is rarely, if ever, said for men on here who are tall

 

[Whatever]

Because face only matters that much when it’s outstanding, like top 10%. If it’s anything less than that then height, frame, body capabilities (for slaying) and phenotype matching (for finding the right girl) will make a much bigger difference than 1 or even 2 PSL points/tiers.

 

[joao23]

To deny that face triumphs all is pure delusion

People typically look at your face first when they first meet you (your eyes if we want to be more specific) , within milliseconds theyre already forming an impression of your facial attractiveness based on cues such as facial harmony, symmetry, health indicators, dimorphism, facial angularity, etc

Only after that do they take into account of your height, frame, and physique

Obviously height, frame and physique matter too for slaying, it isnt one singular trait that you must have in order to guarantee getting into a womans pants.

But if your face wasnt as important as height (or other traits such as your frame), people wouldnt instinctively look there first, and first impressions wouldnt form so quickly either

Besides, unless youre a manlet, height will barely even do anything for your perceived attraction from women.

A jump from 5’3 to 5’7 or 5’6 to 5’10 can make a more meaningful difference, whereas a jump from 6’0 to 6’4 is far less likely to transform how attractive you are perceived to be. Since once you are already above average in terms of height each inch added will barely even do anything for your SMV

If height was everything, basketball players would be more thirsted than Justin Bieber and zac efron

 

[Tenres]

100%

You can be 6’5 and it will barely make a difference to your SMV/ how attractive you are perceived to be by women in comparison to your 6’0 self

Meanwhile, as you said, you can be average-below average height with a HTN+ face and be just fine

This is also evident by the fact when people on this forum see a user who is good looking, they immediately say “Why are you on this forum bro?” this is rarely, if ever, said for men on here who are tall

I know of at least some tall users who explicitly say it hasn't helped them much, whereas I don't think you'd ever hear that for looks.

I will say I think shit like tiktok probably has increased the value of height simply because women are hivemindish and so the height trends definitely contribute to what they value. Will never match face tho

 

[GoodLookingAthlete]

Having a good frame is underated also. Even at just 6f tall I’m almost twice as wide and thick compared to most guys who are 2 to 3 inch taller than me when I go to bars

 

[iblamexyz]

@iblamexyz @Wicket

And this is coming from someone who grew up as a giga manlet for a lot of their life. Ive noticed the difference in treatment once I became a respectable height — the respect you get from others, women more likely to notice you and show attraction towards you, people perceive you as being more masculine with a bigger dick when youre taller

But face will triumph all when it comes to attraction, there are only select cases where this is even debatable

A majority of those who go on about the importance of the heightpill so much are either men of average-slightly below average height who cant accept that their face is lacking, or tallfags who only have their height going for them and need to find a way to cope

JFL at normies denying muh nt is more important or muh height is law

 

[Niebvll]

Yeah bro 5 5 chad will def win over 6 2 mtn

 

[horseman.]

Yeah bro 5 5 chad will def win over 6 2 mtn

MTN is an above average rating, 5’5 is like 4 inches below average.

 

[Niebvll]

MTN is an above average rating 5’5 is like 4 inches below average.

Chad is an above MTN rating while 6 2 is an above 5 5 height
Just coping here

 

[horseman.]

Chad is an above MTN rating while 6 2 is an above 5 5 height
Just coping here

Chad + 5’5 (Positive and a negative)
MTN + 6’2 (two positives)

Ur analogy wasn’t even fair for the chad

 

[Niebvll]

Chad + 5’5 (Positive and a negative)
MTN + 6’2 (two positives)

Ur analogy wasn’t even fair for the chad

It doesnt need to be if face matters that much
The difference of mtn to chad is as great if not greater than 5'5 to 6'2
Chad is top .1% while 6'2 is top 15% here
And who said it must conform the "same amount of above and below average traits" rule?
Made up copes

 

[Former Shortcel]

Because face only matters that much when it’s outstanding, like top 10%. If it’s anything less than that then height, frame, body capabilities (for slaying) and phenotype matching (for finding the right girl) will make a much bigger difference than 1 or even 2 PSL points/tiers.

Face isnt a threshold trait, its more so like a continuous one. A 1 or 2 PSL tier improvement in facial attractiveness can meaningfully change first impressions and thus also perceived attractiveness. The same is true for height, except height’s affects tend to plateau once youre already around average to tall

 

[Former Shortcel]

Yeah bro 5 5 chad will def win over 6 2 mtn

Chad is a genetic miracle level face, a face like that can heavily compensate for short comings such as manlet tier height, so they are able to get by exclusively on their face

However 5’5 is also manlet tier height, so in some cases it can be a huge disadvantage in comparison to a 6’2 MTN who has both an above average face and also a far above average height

The 5’5 chad may not always win in this specific comparison. However if a truly elite face can offset a major height disadvantage for a lot of women, then it shows facial attractiveness isnt a secondary trait to height

 

[Niebvll]

Chad is a genetic miracle level face, a face like that can heavily compensate for short comings such as manlet tier height, so they are able to get by exclusively on their face

However 5’5 is also manlet tier height, so in some cases it can be a huge disadvantage in comparison to a 6’2 MTN who has both an above average face and also a far above average height

The 5’5 chad may not always win in this specific comparison. However if a truly elite face can offset a major height disadvantage for a lot of women, then it shows facial attractiveness isnt a secondary trait to height

Dnr bro not that deep

 

[buccalfatremoval]

To cope with their subhumanity
“Muh I don’t pull because I’m average height and definitely not subhuman face dude!”

 

[Niebvll]

To cope with their subhumanity
“Muh I don’t pull because I’m average height and definitely not subhuman face dude!”

Im both

 

[AscendHQ]

To deny that face triumphs all is pure delusion

People typically look at your face first when they first meet you (your eyes if we want to be more specific) , within milliseconds theyre already forming an impression of your facial attractiveness based on cues such as facial harmony, symmetry, health indicators, dimorphism, facial angularity, etc

Only after that do they take into account of your height, frame, and physique

Obviously height, frame and physique matter too for slaying, it isnt one singular trait that you must have in order to guarantee getting into a womans pants.

But if your face wasnt as important as height (or other traits such as your frame), people wouldnt instinctively look there first, and first impressions wouldnt form so quickly either

Besides, unless youre a manlet, height will barely even do anything for your perceived attraction from women.

A jump from 5’3 to 5’7 or 5’6 to 5’10 can make a more meaningful difference, whereas a jump from 6’0 to 6’4 is far less likely to transform how attractive you are perceived to be. Since once you are already above average in terms of height each inch added will barely even do anything for your SMV

A jump from 5 foot 11- 6foot1 ?

 

[Former Shortcel]

A jump from 5 foot 11- 6foot1 ?

Barely makes (if any) a difference to your SMV, height immediately has diminishing returns once you reach a certain point

 

[AscendHQ]

Barely makes (if any) a difference to your SMV, height immediately has diminishing returns once you reach a certain point

Really ? So I don’t need to worry abt my hieght

 

[tijanmuharemovic4@g]

high iq thread + mirin + helps me cope

 

[tijanmuharemovic4@g]

Yeah bro 5 5 chad will def win over 6 2 mtn

retard

he just said unless you're a manlet

 

[Niebvll]

retard

he just said unless you're a manlet

DNR only read title
5'5 is average in a lot of countries

 

[Former Shortcel]

Really ? So I don’t need to worry abt my hieght

If you’re 5’11 then not as much as someone who is manlet tier or below average height should be

Besides, women are absolutely terrible at perceiving someones height, you can easily get by lying that youre 6’1 if your frame is good, and also because men will have lied about their height in the past to her

A lot of them care about the numbers as a result of tiktok due to their hivemindeish nature.

Why else are there so many videos of women claiming theyd choose a 5/10 6ft guy over a 10/10 5’11 guy? Its for both engagement, and because they view it as a numbers game when in reality there is little difference between 5’11 and 6’0

 

[tijanmuharemovic4@g]

DNR only read title
5'5 is average in a lot of countries

average in my country is like 5'10

missunderstanding ig

 

[chefxe]

To deny that face triumphs all is pure delusion

People typically look at your face first when they first meet you (your eyes if we want to be more specific) , within milliseconds theyre already forming an impression of your facial attractiveness based on cues such as facial harmony, symmetry, health indicators, dimorphism, facial angularity, etc

Only after that do they take into account of your height, frame, and physique

Obviously height, frame and physique matter too for slaying, it isnt one singular trait that you must have in order to guarantee getting into a womans pants.

But if your face wasnt as important as height (or other traits such as your frame), people wouldnt instinctively look there first, and first impressions wouldnt form so quickly either

Besides, unless youre a manlet, height will barely even do anything for your perceived attraction from women.

A jump from 5’3 to 5’7 or 5’6 to 5’10 can make a more meaningful difference, whereas a jump from 6’0 to 6’4 is far less likely to transform how attractive you are perceived to be. Since once you are already above average in terms of height each inch added will barely even do anything for your SMV

if you are 5'5-5'8 and have a decent face card MMTN-LHTN you will have little to no problem pulling the foids you desire.

you can probably throw 5'4 in there too

you will already be taller then 80% of em and with your decent face card they will certainly look past the fact your a manlet.

after all you will still be taller then them by at least a few inches for which they don't gaf at all they will just be mirin to your LHTN face

a good physique also plays extra points so as long as your not a fucking fat chud or not a scrawny fag twink then

 

[Niebvll]

average in my country is like 5'10

The world doesnt spin around you
Average where I live is 5'11-6'

 

[bhsoda_destroyer]

its 60 percent face 40 percent height

 

[Acquiescence]

Eh you might be underestimating the importance of height a bit tbh

But overall yeah

It really pmo when r shortguys or other manlets of that philosophy claim face doesn’t matter at all

 

[Dolorous]

Thanks for the hopefuel, Former Shortcel. By the way you are treated here I had the impression that you were largely a source of truth.

I will say though, having to look up at your friends all the time to speak to them, and seeing so many ogrishly tall people in public out of nowhere is still a painful experience that you never forget.