Why Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Messi (Ending the Ronaldo vs Messi debate) (MEGATHREAD)

[Deleted member 63554]

Stupid penaldo fan
Didn't even read cos I know all the stats already, but Messi has better shooting after reading your first lines

More goals per game, more goals outside the box, more goals without penalties in 160 less games, more free kick goals, higher shots on target %, less shots per goal.

Stats in Europe: Messi 704 goals and 303 assists in 853 games.
Ronaldo 701 goals and 201 assists in 949 games...

Messi 105 more g+a in 96 less games

Now onto things outside of goalscoring (which Messi already mogs in): assists Messi, playmaking Messi, dribbling Messi

Golden boots Messi, ballon dor Messi, motm awards Messi, playmaker awards Messi, head to head stats Messi, total trophies Messi

You are a homosexual and have no reason to suggest Ronaldo is better. The only stats he has better are because he's played 160 more games
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More goals per game after 2007 when he stopped being a midfielder is false, more goals outside the box is bullshit because Ronaldo scores from a further distance, more goals without pens is false Ronaldo has passed him and he played as a midfielder for 200+ games I show it in the thread, higher shots on target because Ronaldo takes more longshots than him, and the less shots per goal because he takes shots so its literally nothing. Now the stats in Europe is also bullshit because Ronaldo played 200+ games as a midfielder. Then Messi only has more assists because he had better teammates through his career as I said in the thread. He has 2 more golden boots just because Ronaldo lost to Suarez because he had much less matches and MSN literally said that they were helping each other to pass Ronaldo in the golden boot race and 2 seasons to Messi because again he had less matches so he could easily win those. Ballondor I show in the thread and motm I show in the thread why its unfair and h2h ronaldo has more wins vs messi in finals and messi had better teams overall in his career. Now more trophies I show in the thread why its bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Not a flex lil nigga
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Messi has more goals and more assists in Europe despite playing 100 less games. That's embarrassing for Ronaldo.

Btw Messi joined MLS at 36

Just because Ronaldo played 200+ games as a midfielder as I say in the thread it literally shows the heatmap stop coping

 

[spark]

Just because Ronaldo played 200+ games as a midfielder as I say in the thread it literally shows the heatmap stop coping

Messi spends ten times the amount in the midfield Ronaldo does btw.

 

[spark]

This whole debate can be summed up as: One guy is better at everything, other guy is just better looking.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

More goals per game after 2007 when he stopped being a midfielder is false, more goals outside the box is bullshit because Ronaldo scores from a further distance, more goals without pens is false Ronaldo has passed him and he played as a midfielder for 200+ games I show it in the thread, higher shots on target because Ronaldo takes more longshots than him, and the less shots per goal because he takes shots so its literally nothing. Now the stats in Europe is also bullshit because Ronaldo played 200+ games as a midfielder. Then Messi only has more assists because he had better teammates through his career as I said in the thread. He has 2 more golden boots just because Ronaldo lost to Suarez because he had much less matches and MSN literally said that they were helping each other to pass Ronaldo in the golden boot race and 2 seasons to Messi because again he had less matches so he could easily win those. Ballondor I show in the thread and motm I show in the thread why its unfair and h2h ronaldo has more wins vs messi in finals and messi had better teams overall in his career. Now more trophies I show in the thread why its bullshit. Keep coping.

Just because Ronaldo played 200+ games as a midfielder as I say in the thread it literally shows the heatmap stop coping

You're coping beyond belief son. This is embarrassing. Ronaldo has played the last 6 years as a striker, whereas Messi hasn't, you didn't mention that.

Also lmao, Ronaldo was a winger, not a "midfielder". He himself said this, and the formation man united used utilised wingers. But I know you weren't even watching football back then.

Stats show Messi mogs in goalscoring. And Messi is far, far better outside of that. Messi is the best goalscorer and best playmaker. Unreal.

Anyway your account is literally an embarrassment, and your name is "Uefa CR7 league" (PR7). Btw Messi has better UCL stats per game again

 

[optimisticzoomer]

This whole debate can be summed up as: One guy is better at everything, other guy is just better looking.

I just know this @Uefa CR7 league is an Indian teenager
Btw, this you? @UEFA CR7 League7
Making two accounts of that is pathetic

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Messi spends ten times the amount in the midfield Ronaldo does btw.

Yes and? that says nothing. Ronaldo is a better goalscorer hermano.

 

[spark]

Yes and? that says nothing. Ronaldo is a better goalscorer hermano.

If he is a better goalscorer why does he have a lower GPG than a guy who spends most of his game playing as an attacking midfielder?

 

[Deleted member 63554]

You're coping beyond belief son. This is embarrassing. Ronaldo has played the last 6 years as a striker, whereas Messi hasn't, you didn't mention that.

Also lmao, Ronaldo was a winger, not a "midfielder". He himself said this, and the formation man united used utilised wingers. But I know you weren't even watching football back then.

Stats show Messi mogs in goalscoring. And Messi is far, far better outside of that. Messi is the best goalscorer and best playmaker. Unreal.

Anyway your account is literally an embarrassment, and your name is "Uefa CR7 league" (PR7). Btw Messi has better UCL stats per game again

Bro and Messi played as a CF it doesn't mean shit. Also Ronaldo played 6 years as a striker when he was almost 34. Ronaldo was literally a midfielder and it shows it in the heatmap when if you see the heatmap when it literally shows how he played and you still cope I don't know what to say to you bro. The formation was 4-4-2 btw...
Messi doesn't mog Ronaldo in goalscoring Ronaldo is the best goalscorer in history and its common knowledge.
And also there is no way you said Messi is better at UCL than the Mr.UCL himself bro Ronaldo mogs Messi in every stat in UCL its not even close.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

If he is a better goalscorer why does he have a lower GPG than a guy who spends most of his game playing as an attacking midfielder?

Because he played 200+ games as a midfielder and because Messi had literally the best attacking trio in the world? Even with that if you remove his 200+ games as a midfielder he still has a better goal ratio than him all time.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

I just know this @Uefa CR7 league is an Indian teenager
Btw, this you? @UEFA CR7 League7
Making two accounts of that is pathetic

I am from Europe and yea the other one is mine idk why I made 2 I dont even use the other one.

 

[Richard Cheese]

Not a word. Fraud7 hasn't won shit. It's what happens when you looksmax. You start ignoring the important things. Should've kept being an ogre maybe he would've won something.

 

[spark]

Because he played 200+ games as a midfielder and because Messi had literally the best attacking trio in the world? Even with that if you remove his 200+ games as a midfielder he still has a better goal ratio than him all time.

Messi has spent 10x the amount in the midfield Ronaldo has and still has a higher GPG lol. Ronaldo is a stat padder. He relies on his teammates setting him up, he relies on penalties etc. but I get it he is better looking and you're gay.

 

[spark]

It's over bro.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

And also there is no way you said Messi is better at UCL than the Mr.UCL himself bro Ronaldo mogs Messi in every stat in UCL its not even close.

It's getting sad now man. Not only have you not watched either in their prime but you don't know the stats. How old are you?

Also, no one above the age of 18 thinks Ronaldo is a better goalscorer. It's common knowledge he has only scored more because he's played ~160 more games and taken ~60 more penalties. Messi has more goals without pens in less games

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Messi has spent 10x the amount in the midfield Ronaldo has and still has a higher GPG lol. Ronaldo is a stat padder. He relies on his teammates setting him up, he relies on penalties etc. but I get it he is better looking and you're gay.

And Ronaldo is a winger bro both positions are not strikers so it is equally. He only has more goal ratio because Ronaldo played as a midfielder. And how is Ronaldo a stat padder he is the most clutch player ever and he carries more. And how does he relies on his teammates setting him up when all Messi goals are literally just Messi,Iniesta,Xavi,Suarez,Neymar passing with each other

 

[optimisticzoomer]

And Ronaldo is a winger bro both positions are not strikers so it is equally. He only has more goal ratio because Ronaldo played as a midfielder. And how is Ronaldo a stat padder he is the most clutch player ever and he carries more. And how does he relies on his teammates setting him up when all Messi goals are literally just Messi,Iniesta,Xavi,Suarez,Neymar passing with each other

"Ronaldo carries more"
Not only does Messi score more per game, he also provides more assists, creates more chances, has more successful dribbles, has more touches and passes. How does Ronaldo carry?

 

[Deleted member 63554]

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It's getting sad now man. Not only have you not watched either in their prime but you don't know the stats. How old are you?

Also, no one above the age of 18 thinks Ronaldo is a better goalscorer. It's common knowledge he has only scored more because he's played ~160 more games and taken ~60 more penalties. Messi has more goals without pens in less games

I am 17 and I watch Ronaldo since 2014.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

"Ronaldo carries more"
Not only does Messi score more per game, he also provides more assists, creates more chances, has more successful dribbles, has more touches and passes. How does Ronaldo carry?

More goals after 82 mins. More wins when his team is down.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

I am 17 and I watch Ronaldo since 2014.
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Ronaldo has played 20 more games. Again, if Ronaldo is better, why doesn't he win motm? He just statpads, relying on his teammates.
Also jfl. That second picture includes Messi as a teen but not Ronaldo as a teen. How is that fair? Messi is 2 years younger, so why use stats from 2004 for Messi, but 2006 for Ronaldo?? Oh yes, because it's biased and makes no sense

Also, https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2022

And no one cares about MLS or Saudi which, btw, Messi still has better goals and assists per 90, despite taking only 1 penalty

 

[spark]

And Ronaldo is a winger bro both positions are not strikers so it is equally. He only has more goal ratio because Ronaldo played as a midfielder. And how is Ronaldo a stat padder he is the most clutch player ever and he carries more. And how does he relies on his teammates setting him up when all Messi goals are literally just Messi,Iniesta,Xavi,Suarez,Neymar passing with each other

He is so clutch that the last time Ronaldo scored a goal in a WC playoffs he was still Brazilian.

He is so clutch his numbers in the finals he has played are vastly inferior

He is so clutch that head to head the difference between the two only increases

Lol give up Messi is better at everything except for shooting penalties.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

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Jfl
Firstly, the Spain one was a keeper mistake and a penalty.

Now, Messi 2011 UCL final, Messi 4 goals vs arsenal in UCL, Messi Vs Bayern 2015, Messi clutch goal Vs Mexico. Using irrelevant statpad hattricks with pens lmao, the only important one there is the atletico one. More goals in finals = messi

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Ronaldo has played 20 more games. Again, if Ronaldo is better, why doesn't he win motm? He just statpads, relying on his teammates.
Also jfl. That second picture includes Messi as a teen but not Ronaldo as a teen. How is that fair? Messi is 2 years younger, so why use stats from 2004 for Messi, but 2006 for Ronaldo?? Oh yes, because it's biased and makes no sense

Also, https://www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2022

And no one cares about MLS or Saudi which, btw, Messi still has better goals and assists per 90, despite taking only 1 penalty

Ofc he played 20 games more he is older bro he would still had better stats if Messi started playing ucl when Ronaldo started playing. In that age Messi wouldn't score more goals only maybe assists. Motm is literally unfair, Messi has more because of his position and because he gets the ball more. And also in the second pic it shows that if he wasnt a midfielder he would have better goal ratio than him.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Jfl
Firstly, the Spain one was a keeper mistake and a penalty.

Now, Messi 2011 UCL final, Messi 4 goals vs arsenal in UCL, Messi Vs Bayern 2015, Messi clutch goal Vs Mexico. Using irrelevant statpad hattricks with pens lmao, the only important one there is the atletico one. More goals in finals = messi

These performances are not hattricks when your team is losing Also Messi clutch goal vs Mexico?? Also how are pens irrelevant and how is the one with Sweden not important and with spain? With sweden if they lost they wouldnt go to the world cup and with spain if they lost they wouldnt pass the group stages. And with wolfsburg it was a quarter final and they were losing 2-0. You are embarassing yourself at this point.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Ofc he played 20 games more he is older bro he would still had better stats if Messi started playing ucl when Ronaldo started playing. In that age Messi wouldn't score more goals only maybe assists. Motm is literally unfair, Messi has more because of his position and because he gets the ball more. And also in the second pic it shows that if he wasnt a midfielder he would have better goal ratio than him.

No it doesn't.
It shows that you are using stats of Ronaldo when he was 21 onwards, and Messi when he was 17 onwards.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

He is so clutch that the last time Ronaldo scored a goal in a WC playoffs he was still Brazilian.

He is so clutch his numbers in the finals he has played are vastly inferior
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He is so clutch that head to head the difference between the two only increases
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Lol give up Messi is better at everything except for shooting penalties.

First of all this has nothing to do with clutch? Second of all have you seen Portugal in 2008-2018? They werent even a top 15 team how is he supposed to score in a wc playoff> Also the stats in the finals are like that because Barca was better than Real.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

No it doesn't.
It shows that you are using stats of Ronaldo when he was 21 onwards, and Messi when he was 17 onwards.

Bro that makes no sense if Ronaldo played as a winger in that time it shows that he would have better goal ratio and more goals.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

These performances are not hattricks when your team is losing Also Messi clutch goal vs Mexico?? Also how are pens irrelevant and how is the one with Sweden not important and with spain? With sweden if they lost they wouldnt go to the world cup and with spain if they lost they wouldnt pass the group stages. And with wolfsburg it was a quarter final and they were losing 2-0. You are embarassing yourself at this point.

Yes, Messi goal outside the box vs Mexico in the WC to keep Argentina alive. Meanwhile Ronaldo was trying to steal his teammate's goal

Btw, who has more hattricks without pens? Again Messi, in less games. And more per game with pens too.

If the roles were switched and Ronaldo had played less games than Messi, but they both kept their current ratios, you would never consider Ronaldo in the debate

 

[spark]

First of all this has nothing to do with clutch? Second of all have you seen Portugal in 2008-2018? They werent even a top 15 team how is he supposed to score in a wc playoff> Also the stats in the finals are like that because Barca was better than Real.

It literally does?

Performing in the World Cup > performing in random friendlies
Performing in the finals > stat padding random games.
Performing vs Barca in a league where it's either RM or Barca that win > performing against some random team

Messi is more clutch than Cristiano that's for sure.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Bro that makes no sense if Ronaldo played as a winger in that time it shows that he would have better goal ratio and more goals.

Wtf are you talking about? Of course Messi is going to not have as good stats from age 17-21 as afterwards. Using ratios of Messi as a teen and Ronaldo as an adult is unfair, and they had to do it to give Ronaldo a chance. He was always a winger btw

Anyway, stop replying with bs to me, I got work to do. Just go on messivsronaldo.app and have fun

 

[Deleted member 52345]

It literally does?

Performing in the World Cup > performing in random friendlies
Performing in the finals > stat padding random games.
Performing vs Barca in a league where it's either RM or Barca that win > performing against some random team

Messi is more clutch than Cristiano that's for sure.

Hell no

 

[spark]

Cristiano has 0 games this impressive in his entire career


I am glad I saw it live. Absolutely unbelievable. You of course didn't. You only saw old CR7 stat padding his penalties and seeing Modric and Kroos set him up. You only saw older Messi playing mostly from the midfield helping Suarez and Neymar score their goals.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Yes, Messi goal outside the box vs Mexico in the WC to keep Argentina alive. Meanwhile Ronaldo was trying to steal his teammate's goal

Btw, who has more hattricks without pens? Again Messi, in less games. And more per game with pens too.

If the roles were switched and Ronaldo had played less games than Messi, but they both kept their current ratios, you would never consider Ronaldo in the debate

More hattricks without pens? So pens are not important? 0 ball knowledge as per usual. Ronaldo has played less games than Messi when they were both at laliga and he had better goal ratio. When he didnt played as a midfielder. Messi wouldn't be in the debate if he wasnt in prime barca the best team in the world and if he had left the club earlier because outiside of barca he is shit. Imagine Messi without tiki taka btw. And if Ronaldo was at Argentina he would have 2 world cup and 3 copa america Unlike this fraud.

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Wtf are you talking about? Of course Messi is going to not have as good stats from age 17-21 as afterwards. Using ratios of Messi as a teen and Ronaldo as an adult is unfair, and they had to do it to give Ronaldo a chance. He was always a winger btw

Anyway, stop replying with bs to me, I got work to do. Just go on messivsronaldo.app and have fun

same with ronaldo then?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

More hattricks without pens? So pens are not important? 0 ball knowledge as per usual. Ronaldo has played less games than Messi when they were both at laliga and he had better goal ratio. When he didnt played as a midfielder. Messi wouldn't be in the debate if he wasnt in prime barca the best team in the world and if he had left the club earlier because outiside of barca he is shit. Imagine Messi without tiki taka btw. And if Ronaldo was at Argentina he would have 2 world cup and 3 copa america Unlike this fraud.

Messi vs Ronaldo Goals and Stats when Ronaldo played in Spain

Ronaldo spent nine seasons at Real Madrid, but who scored more goals during this period? Compare Messi vs Ronaldo stats whilst Ronaldo was in La Liga.

www.messivsronaldo.app

Ronaldo 84 mins per goal, Messi 85. Ronaldo 66 mins per goal contribution, Messi 62

And of course penalties aren't regarded as highly as other goals. You can ghost and not be involved in the game, but then your teammate wins a penalty, and you have a free shot at goal with no defenders.

Ronaldo was never a midfielder. He was a winger. Messi at psg was mostly a midfielder, especially in first season, dropping deeper than Ronaldo ever did. Still got 38 goals and 25 assists in 2022, and most motm.

If Ronaldo was with Argentina, they wouldn't have been to a final since 1986. Messi carried in 2014 and 2022

same with ronaldo then?

No... What don't you understand? The picture you showed uses stats for Ronaldo from 2006 onwards, when he was 21. For Messi, it shows 2004 onwards, when he was 17. Of course the ratio is going to be skewed if you are including games Messi played as a teenager

 

[Deleted member 63554]

Messi vs Ronaldo Goals and Stats when Ronaldo played in Spain

Ronaldo spent nine seasons at Real Madrid, but who scored more goals during this period? Compare Messi vs Ronaldo stats whilst Ronaldo was in La Liga.

www.messivsronaldo.app

Ronaldo 84 mins per goal, Messi 85. Ronaldo 66 mins per goal contribution, Messi 62

And of course penalties aren't regarded as highly as other goals. You can ghost and not be involved in the game, but then your teammate wins a penalty, and you have a free shot at goal with no defenders.

Ronaldo was never a midfielder. He was a winger. Messi at psg was mostly a midfielder, especially in first season, dropping deeper than Ronaldo ever did. Still got 38 goals and 25 assists in 2022, and most motm.

If Ronaldo was with Argentina, they wouldn't have been to a final since 1986. Messi carried in 2014 and 2022

No... What don't you understand? The picture you showed uses stats for Ronaldo from 2006 onwards, when he was 21. For Messi, it shows 2004 onwards, when he was 17. Of course the ratio is going to be skewed if you are including games Messi played as a teenager

 

[TheTakeoverHasBegun]

bhai this is my favorite gronkowski game ever



he carried brady this game ngl and was insane but his balls in steelers mouth. What a fucking player he was

Kelce better than that bum ass nigga gronk

 

[Deleted member 31457]

ronaldo deserved the 2018 balondor. everyone thought ronaldo would win. only afterwards did ppl ever justify modric winning it
messi deserved the 2019 balondor that he won
lewandowski shouldve won the 2020 balondor, if messi had a good year that season he wouldve been awarded it
2021 could go either way imo

 

[Deleted member 59162]

aint reading allat, first of all pendu was playin in roba vardrid=fraud low skill.second of all pendu diving=low skill, and just look at his freekick lmao thats funny asl

 

[Deleted member 31197]

He shouldn't have won 3 for sure the stats show it like I said in this thread. The other 2 are indeed controversial. But in 2019,2021,2023 its clear that he shouldn't win it. And he stole Benzema's UEFA best player of the year somehow. When Messi fans see this they know Messi doesn't deserve it they just coping because its their idol. Some of them accept

 

[Deleted member 31197]

Ok, let's take 2010 for a start: Messi most goals itw + trophies.
2013 Ronaldo: most goals itw + 0 trophies.

If Messi didn't deserve 2010, Ronaldo didn't deserve 2013. Btw iniesta was injured half the season. Messi deserved 2010 and Ronaldo deserved 2013.

Muh Ronaldo deserved 2018:
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Messi won la Liga and Copa del rey. Ronaldo won UCL. 2 trophies + better stats >>

ronaldo deserved 2018 bc the ucl holds major importance, he was top scorer in the ucl campaign(15 goals) at 33 years old, Messi only won 1 more trophy than ronaldo, had played more games and ronaldo and Messi had a poor World Cup 1 goal isn't very good, ronaldo had 4 goals in 2018 wc and overall ronaldo had the more iconic, and better performances in the most important times.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

ronaldo deserved 2018 bc the ucl holds major importance, he was top scorer in the ucl campaign(15 goals) at 33 years old, Messi only won 1 more trophy than ronaldo, had played more games and ronaldo and Messi had a poor World Cup 1 goal isn't very good, ronaldo had 4 goals in 2018 wc and overall ronaldo had the more iconic, and better performances in the most important times.

Messi 2 assists in WC as well, it's not just goals. And 1 of ronaldo's goals was a pen and another was a keeper mistake

Also in 2018 Messi only played 1 more game but had 2 more goals and 13 more assists
And these stats don't tell you about playmaking, dribbling, chances created which all play a part in the better player

 

[try2beme]

Let's start and see why Cristiano is a better player than Messi. First of all, Ronaldo is the most completed attacker in the history of football. Why? He is fast, he has shooting,dribbling,skills,playmaking,physicallity,heading,he has no weakfoot. Now let's compare both to see who is a better player though.

Pace - Cristiano
Shooting - Cristiano
Dribbling - Messi
Skills - Cristiano
Playmaking - Messi
Heading - Cristiano
Physicality - Cristiano
Weakfoot - Cristiano
Clutch - Cristiano
Football IQ - Messi
Longevity - Cristiano
Finishing - Cristiano
Penalties - Cristiano
Free kicks - Messi
Passing - Messi
Vision - Messi

Ronaldo wins 10-6 so I just proved why he is more complete than Messi and a better player.

But Messi has more ballondors though
I will show you why Messi should have 5 ballondors instead of 8 and why Ronaldo should have 6 instead of 5.
First of all the criteria of the ballondor is : individual performance (stats) and trophies and the importance of trophies and awards
With that criteria let's see why Messi didn't deserved these 3 ballondors:

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As you can clearly see Lewandowski better stats, more trophies, and more awards than Messi yet the ballondor was given to Messi If you do not agree with this at this point you are just coping.
Now the second undeserved ballondor:

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Van Dijk had a top 5 defenders prime of all time, got passed legit by 2 players all of the season, had one of the best stats of a defender ever, won the tremble (UCL,Premier league, Fa cup), won the UEFA Best Player of the Year and STILL guess who won the ballondor? You can't deny the truth.

Now the third and final undeserved ballondor:

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Haaland literally broke every single Premier league record there is, won the tremble, top scorer in premier league, UCL, Fa cup. But but Messi had better stats than Haaland Messi had more G/A than Haaland because Haaland is a Striker so you can't even compare G/A to Haaland vs Messi. But your gonna say then Why Haaland doesn't have more Goals than Messi because he plays Striker? Haaland had 56 goals and Messi 41. So you could say that individual performance goes to both I guess. But Haaland had way more trophies than Messi and more important ones. Premier league, UCL, FA cup, Fifa club world cup > World cup, Ligue 1 cup.
"But Messi had more awards than Haaland bro". Messi only won UEFA Best Player of the year and he didn't even deserved that because in that award world cup doesn't even count. Uefa best player of the year is based to who did the best year on the ucl. And Messi got eliminated FROM ROUND OF 16. And Haaland won the UCL and was the top scorer of the tournament. So the award should have gone to either Haaland, KDB, or Rodri. So we can see that Messi didn't deserve this ballondor as well.

Now lets see why Ronaldo should have 6 ballondors instead of 5:

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Ronaldo had WAY better stats and they had the same trophies. Also Ronaldo got robbed of the UEFA best player of the year and maybe the PUSKAS award that year

If you still think that Messi deserves 8 ballondors after this you are just delusional and you cope.

So if it was fair: Cristiano 6 ballondor - Messi 5 ballondor.

But Messi won the world cup

First of all, if being the best is having a world cup then Pele is the best player in the world Which is not true.
So the world cup debate is useless.
Also how can Ronaldo win a world cup when Portugal had a shit team every year except 2022 which he had depression and lost his child thats why he didnt played well in the world cup. He managed to win Euro's and Nations league with a shit Portugal team. And he is carrying this team for so many years.
Also Ronaldo vs Messi internationally:

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That proves that Ronaldo is good in internationally levels.
Ronaldo doesn't have a bad international career as Messi fans say.
Unlike this fraud right here:

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That proves that Ronaldo internationally = Messi internationally. Messi is not better than Ronaldo internationally. They are equal.
Also even the world cup that he won was questionable watch this thread here :

Another thing that Messi fans say is that Messi has a better goal ratio and more assists than Ronaldo so let's debunk this:

The only reason Messi has a better goal ratio than Ronaldo is because Ronaldo played 200+ games as a midfielder and he was coming off the bench sometimes too.
Let's see now if you remove Ronaldo's first 200 games and Messi's first 200 games. Also keep in mind that Messi started his career as an attacker.

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Now let's see why Ronaldo was a midfielder:

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For a full explanation here:

Who had more goals each year:

2007- Cristiano
2008- Cristiano
2009- Messi
2010- Messi
2011- Cristiano
2012- Messi
2013- Cristiano
2014- Cristiano
2015- Cristiano
2016- Messi (Ronaldo had 5 games less with 4 goals difference.
2017- Messi (He had 1 more goal than Ronaldo but he played 4 games more)
2018- Messi (He had 2 more goals than Ronaldo with 3 more games played)
2019- Messi
2020- Cristiano
2021- Cristiano
2022- Messi
2023- Cristiano

Ronaldo wins 9-8 but keep in mind that if Messi played more games almost every season so Ronaldo could have won by more as well.

Now Messi has more assists than Ronaldo but that is because Messi played with better teammates than Ronaldo did. And keep in mind that Messi is a 10.

Now let's see Messi's best teammates vs Ronaldo's best teammates:

Ronaldo: Ramos, Marcelo, Modric, Kroos, Di maria, Kaka, Higuain, Paul scholes, Rooney, Ferninand, Vidic, Van de Sar, Casillas.
Messi: Ronaldinho, Eto'o, David Villa, Thiery Henry, Zlatan, Puyol, Suarez, Neymar, Dani alves, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Ter stegen, Valdes, Toure, Mbappe.

How can you not have more assists when you have these teammates? Ronaldo never had such a good teammates.

Now I wanna expose why Messi is a very bad big game player.

When you have the best attacking trio in football history, a world class midfield, a good defence how can you only win 1 UCL?
Messi ghosted after group stages for so many years. Like 2012,2013,2014,2016,2017,2018. Why?
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Bro becomes a ghost in big games.
Now Ronaldo vs Messi vs the Best GK's of the decade.
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Brutal.

Ronaldo when Messi had the best attacking trio in the world and a world class team.

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That's what being clutch and carrying a team looks like.

"But Messi has more trophies bro"

He got 3 laliga from the bench, and most of his trophies are the same because he only stayed at Spain.View attachment 2790631

I prefer to have 2 laliga's, 3 premier league, 2 seria a cups, instead of having 10 laliga's only. And keep in mind he won 3 laligas in bench and in every el classico Barcelona was favoured. Like 2014,2015,2017,2018. Many ungiven pens to us. Even with that though Ronaldo still has better trophies than Messi.

Also let's not talk that Ronaldo at 35-36 was at juve/man utd scoring goals and hattricks while Messi at 35-36 is at Inter Miami.

Also Ronaldo vs Messi in finals: Ronaldo 4 wins and 1 lose and Messi 1 Win and 4 losses.

Some other stats:

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Easily Mr. UCL

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But but Messi was better at Ronaldo in Laliga

And one last thing. Every legend says that Ronaldo is better like: Pele, Maradona, Xavi, Roberto Carlos, Zidane. Even the younger talents say the same like: Haaland,Mbappe, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Garnacho etc.

"But Messi has a better prime bro" , Messi's Prime goals without friendlies: 79, trophies won: 0, ghosted once again to lead his team to 0 trophies that year, one of the most overrated primes ever. Ronaldo Prime 2014 or 2012: In 2014, 61 goals 20 assists, UCL, supercopa, Uefa Super cup, Fifa club world cup, copa del rey, 17 goals at UCL. Ronaldo at 2012: 63 goals 15 assists, Laliga, Copa del rey, Super copa. Both of these Primes of Ronaldo are better than 2012.

Wake up Cristiano is the greatest player of all time and not this corrupted midget. Stats and football don't lie you can't cope. Cristiano is the greatest without a question.

End of thread.

Messi:
French league
American league
La liga

Ronaldo:
Portugal league
La liga
English league
Serie A
Saudi league

 

[try2beme]

Messi 2 assists in WC as well, it's not just goals. And 1 of ronaldo's goals was a pen and another was a keeper mistake

Also in 2018 Messi only played 1 more game but had 2 more goals and 13 more assists
And these stats don't tell you about playmaking, dribbling, chances created which all play a part in the better player

Di maria does the same or more than messi during world cups, he is nothin without

 

[wsada]

Messi 2 assists in WC as well, it's not just goals. And 1 of ronaldo's goals was a pen and another was a keeper mistake

Also in 2018 Messi only played 1 more game but had 2 more goals and 13 more assists
And these stats don't tell you about playmaking, dribbling, chances created which all play a part in the better player

Yapper

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Di maria does the same or more than messi during world cups, he is nothin without

Di Maria ghosted until the final, and still did less in the final

 

[wsada]

Di Maria ghosted until the final, and still did less in the final

Pessi 50 penalties in world cup

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Yapper

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Pessi 50 penalties in world cup

Goals at WC 2022 without pens:
Messi: 3
Ronaldo: 0

Assists:
Messi: 3
Ronaldo: 0

Anyway, aren't you like 15? You weren't even old enough to watch the two in their prime

 

[NoseProphecy]

Not only does Messi have better stats,but his football iq is also better lol the way he sets up passes and paths for his teammates to exploit.

Although I like Ronaldo better because of his whole dawg personality and playing style,Messi is better