Why didn't jesus know the hour

[LefortCandidate]

Give me good response not copes like translation error

 

[Frenulum]

Religion is cope

 

[LefortCandidate]

Religion is cope

You is who you is

 

[Frenulum]

You is who you is

Muslims are pedos, christians are niggers, jews are pedos and niggers

 

[LefortCandidate]

Muslims are pedos, christians are niggers, jews are pedos and niggers

Agecuck

 

[kdev]

Give me good response not copes like translation error

the exact moment isnt predetermined but isdecided by the father when earth's time is complete

 

[LefortCandidate]

the exact moment isnt predetermined but isdecided by the father when earth's time is complete

Why didn't he know it tho
Father and son both god

 

[kdev]

Why didn't he know it tho
Father and son both god

the Father and Son are both fully God yes but they have distinct roles like Jesus submitted perfectly to the Father's will which can be seen in John 6:38 and this does not mean he's lesser in divinity but it models obedience and humility towards the father if you get what i mean

 

[Prøphet]

Jesus is God incarnated into human form, the fact that he was a man meant he physicallt couldn’t be omnipotent and omniscient, so he relied on the Father

 

[irrumator praetor]

the exact moment isnt predetermined but isdecided by the father when earth's time is complete

cope

 

[LefortCandidate]

the Father and Son are both fully God yes but they have distinct roles like Jesus submitted perfectly to the Father's will which can be seen in John 6:38 and this does not mean he's lesser in divinity but it models obedience and humility towards the father if you get what i mean

I don't get it bro

If he said o know the hour but my father will declare it then I be with you but h3 said he doesn't know it

God is perfect he has to have all the attributes

 

[irrumator praetor]

Why didn't he know it tho
Father and son both god

its Platonism

maybe cuz he incarnated? bringing the knowledge of that on to earth is a ton of shit nigga

 

[LefortCandidate]

Jesus is God incarnated into human form, the fact that he was a man meant he physicallt couldn’t be omnipotent and omniscient, so he relied on the Father

This is heresy according to Christians

They say he didn't lose his divinity in human form

 

[Gargantuan]

Because time doesn't exist

 

[irrumator praetor]

I don't get it bro

If he said o know the hour but my father will declare it then I be with you but h3 said he doesn't know it

God is perfect he has to have all the attributes

ur stuck with a strict definition of omnipotence = deity where, in reality, deities did not need to be omnipotent as they come from a pagan background

 

[Prøphet]

This is heresy according to Christians

They say he didn't lose his divinity in human form

Verse?

 

[gintoki sataka]

Give me good response not copes like translation error

religion is cope

 

[kdev]

I don't get it bro

If he said o know the hour but my father will declare it then I be with you but h3 said he doesn't know it

God is perfect he has to have all the attributes

Thing is, Jesus was rocking two natures at once 100% God and 100% human so While he was down here as a human he dialed back the God powers on purpose like lets take Philippians 2:6-8 where it says jesus "emptied himself" so his human side didn't have that info meaning it was locked to the Father only is the best way i can explain it

 

[irrumator praetor]

also since hes a flesh incarnation of the father made by the father it could be that the father intentionally did not implant him with that knowledge cuz 1) hes not meant to know or reveal it 2) cuz no one on earth is meant to know that

the hour really is a culmination of events that keep repeating on a greater or smaller scale and it can only be confirmed retrospectively or in the moment, since we're talking about empires and human history. Simply because the machinery thats moving is too great to analyse all at once, especially by the average man

 

[Deleted member 337609]

Give me good response like translation error

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[uglyretardednigga]

You is who you is

yo i recognise your signature from that one thread

 

[LefortCandidate]

Thing is, Jesus was rocking two natures at once 100% God and 100% human so While he was down here as a human he dialed back the God powers on purpose like lets take Philippians 2:6-8 where it says jesus "emptied himself" so his human side didn't have that info meaning it was locked to the Father only is the best way i can explain it

also since hes a flesh incarnation of the father made by the father it could be that the father intentionally did not implant him with that knowledge cuz 1) hes not meant to know or reveal it 2) cuz no one on earth is meant to know that

the hour really is a culmination of events that keep repeating on a greater or smaller scale and it can only be confirmed retrospectively or in the moment, since we're talking about empires and human history. Simply because the machinery thats moving is too great to analyse all at once, especially by the average man

Verse?

Its called kenoticism brehs, as far as I know you cant think jesus lost his divinity when he turned into a man

 

[LefortCandidate]

yo i recognise your signature from that one thread

What thread

 

[kdev]

Its called kenoticism brehs, as far as I know you cant think jesus lost his divinity when he turned into a man

that's functional kenosis Jesus didn't lose divinity, he restricted the use of his divinity like not calling down angels to destroy earth for example when he couldve easily done that and this is done so he can live through our struggles for real. Colossians 2:9 states that 'In him dwells all fullness of deity bodily.' So he obv knows when the hour is but prefers not to say it because thats the Human nature talking, divine nature still knows when the time will come but defers to Father. This is humility shown by Christ so that he can teach us how to submit to God.

 

[LefortCandidate]

that's functional kenosis Jesus didn't lose divinity, he restricted the use of his divinity like not calling down angels to destroy earth for example when he couldve easily done that and this is done so he can live through our struggles for real. Colossians 2:9 states that 'In him dwells all fullness of deity bodily.' So he obv knows when the hour is but prefers not to say it because thats the Human nature talking, divine nature still knows when the time will come but defers to Father. This is humility shown by Christ so that he can teach us how to submit to God.

How could he perform miracles and shit if he restricted his attributes

 

[irrumator praetor]

Its called kenoticism brehs, as far as I know you cant think jesus lost his divinity when he turned into a man

its on a spectrum, different things are divine according to different attributes. If the father created fleshly jesus, why are they still equal? It requires another axis to be able to justify that. So jesus is divine even without omnipotence etc. What would be special about jesus? As opposed to the father, he is material creation. Thats how the father would access the material world, its often understood that God the creator accessed the creation through consciousness, "all consciousness worships God" (literally in the quran they say rocks and shit worship God) this is literally animism or shamanism (central asian worship of stuff and life), also found in hinduism etc. And, in the Quran, they say creation was created by God to worship God. Anyway, different reasons would make different parts of the godhead divine, obviously, if they're gonna be different in attributes and equal yet fundamentally the same. Think of it as God with 3 faces we can see (from our POV)

the argument is, Jesus is divine or the image of a "perfect" fleshly/incarnated man. Platos republic "If a morally perfect man were to be born, he would be crucified by everyone around him" or something like that

 

[serg]

He was too busy being a dirty jewish infidel

 

[kdev]

How could he perform miracles and shit if he restricted his attributes

the miracles flowed straight through the Holy Spirit, in perfect sync with the Father, while rocking full human limits. He spells it himself: "The Son can do nothing on his own... Father abiding in me does the works" (John 14:10 and 5:19 respectively)

 

[serg]

Muslims are pedos, christians are niggers, jews are pedos and niggers

It's even more hilarious when you realize all of their scriptures are just recycled versions of the jewish bible shit

 

[kdev]

this nigga @serg just hates me atp like ur always reacting my posts with the disgusted reaction

 

[inceliusndius]

He forgor

 

[Frenulum]

It's even more hilarious when you realize all of their scriptures are just recycled versions of the jewish bible shit

Yes, yet islam claims they are the finished version, and christianity claims they are the finished version with their new bible

 

[serg]

this nigga @serg just hates me atp like ur always reacting my posts with the disgusted reaction

Because you're always saying some retarded ass shit nigger

 

[serg]

Yes, yet islam claims they are the finished version, and christianity claims they are the finished version with their new bible

People don't know that though hahaha, the elites don't even believe in any of that shit they only use it to capitalize off of retarded low iq hive minded people

 

[kdev]

Because you're always saying some retarded ass shit nigger

ig bro ig

 

[ibIameweight]

Cuz he is just a prophet sent by Allah SWT

 

[LefortCandidate]

the miracles flowed straight through the Holy Spirit, in perfect sync with the Father, while rocking full human limits. He spells it himself: "The Son can do nothing on his own... Father abiding in me does the works" (John 14:10 and 5:19 respectively)

then why couldn't holly spirit tell him like they did when Jesus is described as knowing what’s in people’s hearts (Mark 2:8 ) Knowing future events (John 13:19)

 

[kdev]

then why couldn't holly spirit tell him like they did when Jesus is described as knowing what’s in people’s hearts (Mark 2:8 ) Knowing future events (John 13:19)

I honestly dont understand ur point could you elaborate please? like i dont see how it is related

 

[LefortCandidate]

I honestly dont understand ur point could you elaborate please? like i dont see how it is related

you say jesus limited his powers on purpose but then he seems to know other stuff holy spirit tell him

why didn't they told him the hour

 

[kdev]

you say jesus limited his powers on purpose but then he seems to know other stuff holy spirit tell him

why didn't they told him the hour

The Spirit was only revealing what was needed moment to moment for his mission lets say when he was healing, teaching and proving to people he's Messiah but the hour is a Father only call to emphasize humility and keep us from date-setting obsession. He knew what mattered for obedience right then. His divine side held all knowledge anyway, veiled for our sake. Does that clear it up?

 

[LefortCandidate]

The Spirit was only revealing what was needed moment to moment for his mission lets say when he was healing, teaching and proving to people he's Messiah but the hour is a Father only call to emphasize humility and keep us from date-setting obsession. He knew what mattered for obedience right then. His divine side held all knowledge anyway, veiled for our sake. Does that clear it up?

I get you yeah

I have other objections regarding him not knowing the hour but I prefer to end this here

 

[kdev]

I get you yeah

I have other objections regarding him not knowing the hour but I prefer to end this here

Sure! it was nice conversing with you.