Why do carnivoretards never shut up about it

False. They have oxidants, NOT anti-oxidants.

They literally strip away minerals from your body with the anti-nutrients.

Ever noticed how almost every vegetable has the same nutrients?

Always the same shit, magnesium, vitamin c, folate.

Always the same. In every plant.

No other nutrient, almost.

It's because they're shit and have no real nutrients to offer.

I saw what you look like, you are a skinny femboy pussy ass bitch, don't give me any advice.

Go and have a steak and some eggs and try to man-up bitch

Imagine looking like a pussy like that AND still actively looksminning yourself thinking you're doing something good as if you weren't unattractive enough.

Pathetic af tbh
Well that was really unkind and hurtful. There was no need for that type of language. Please do better 💔

You not only skipped over the entire argument about red meat, but had to resort to personal insults. What does my lifestyle matter to you? Would it make a difference if I was some 6’8 muscular hairy man?

Just because something isn’t as nutrient dense, doesn’t mean it’s useless. It might have made sense to seek nutrient dense food when we were hunter gatherers, but in the era of abundance, such foods aren’t as important. We can easily substitute or supplement such foods

We don’t live in a jungle anymore. This isn’t the wild. Humans naturally crave sweet stuff too, so by that logic shouldn’t we binge on sugar all day because you think that’s natural too?

Besides, organs and a lot of meat is yucky 🤢
 
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And I never said something being gmo is necessarily bad

Take watermelon for example

Selectively bred? Yes

Does it have oxalates or anti nutrients? Not really

Brocolli

Selectively bred, yes

But it has goitrogens

Messes up thyroid function
Your double standard is messing with me...

"I never said GMO is bad!" but you said, and I quote:
"most vegetables are genetically modified"

what was this if not the implication that genetically modified vegetables are bad for you? Did you decide to throw in a little fun fact or something?
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Anyway, goitrogens do not mess with your hormones, unless you're eating copious amounts of broccoli every day that is. Really, you'd need to eat 3 lbs, for various days to get any issues from it.

But I suppose you're an avid support of liver, right? Did you know that if you also ingest high amounts of liver for days, you're also going to get issues because of vitamin A toxicity? Of course, the amount of liver needed to reach this level is absurd and no one actually does that, but since it's "theoretically possible" we can claim that beef liver is badddd for you, right? (If you didn't catch it, I'm making fun of you, since you're essentially claiming the same thing, replace liver with broccoli and vitamin A for goitrogen)

Notice how there's a trend here... all food inherently has compounds that when overconsumed for long enough periods of time, will inevitably lead to issues, all foods have "poisons", but you choose to selectively moralize and paint some as bad based on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING (actually on something, on faulty rhetoric you heard, not from someone with studies, not from a reputable book on nutrition or a scientific paper, but probably from a YouTuber that doesn't know what they're saying).

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Selectively demonizing plants while ignoring equivalent risks with animal products...

This is the textbook definition of bias. You either admit all foods have negative compounds that when overconsumed cause issues (including those found in meats), or you drop the case that broccoli is bad for you because of goitrogens that require you to eat 3 lbs of it for weeks in order to see any issues with your goiter.
 
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No... Because it comes from the Eastern Mediterranean, and I don't live there??
I have been to there.

I can guarantee you that shit does not grow in nature or anywhere.
Guess what animal that you eat is also grown in farms...
Compare ruminant animal vs toxic plant.

Makes sense, bro. Haha makes so much sense
Pick a side dude, are man-made things bad or not? It seems like they're only bad when you want them to be.
No, I already told you.

Some can be good some can be bad.

Like some ruminant animals are selectively bred, but healthy to eat.

Whereas there are selectively bred vegetables, and those are toxic as fuck.
Taxonomically speaking we're hominids, we share this family with chimpanzees, gorillas, bobonos and orangutans, they're our closest living relatives, because the other human species died out. All of them under a natural environment will eat plants and occasionally animals, they hunt. That aside, we have both the physiological structure to process vegetables (teeth, stomach, intestines) and the chemical ability for it too (through our stomach acid and digestive enzymes
???

What the fuck even are you saying at this point

There is a reason why we evolved and those monkeys didn't.

Like ??
Not only will it not kill you, it won't do anything.
I already said that dose does not make the poison, poison is poison.

Reminds me of when @thereallegend said his thyroid felt like it was dying when he drank vegetable juice

But hey, it won't do anything bro! It won't do anything!!
Cows don't grow in nature. That's not an actual argument, it's just bias, just because something isn't "natural", it's not inherently bad. The internet isn't natural and I don't see you complaining about it??
Cows are still ruminant animals.

They eat vegetables, and we eat the cows.

But we aren't supposed to eat the food that the cow does. We are supposed to eat the cow.
Imagine how much credibility I'd lack if I tried to convince you that my way of eating was right by talking about the ideas of a YouTube
You don't have any credibility.

Dr. Michael Greger recommends you to eat vegetables, and holy fuck I know this is not relevant, push the studies, scientific experiments away for a second, but whatever that dude tells you to do, you should be doing the opposite.
Raw broccoli isn't good for you, that's true
EXACTLY.

You finally said it.

Why should I cook something just to make it less toxic?

Like it's already fucking toxic, and while knowing that already, why would I still attempt to eat it and make it somewhat edible with cooking and stuff?

Like it doesn't fucking want to be eaten, leave it alone. It has no nutrition to offer.

You can eat raw animal products, every single one of them, and they have all the nutrients you need, but not raw vegetables. Still vegetables are needed to make the diet "balanced" ?? Is that what you're saying? Does that make any sense to you?
Provide evidence that it's toxic when cooked. And also explain why if vegetables are so horrible, and cooked meat is so toxic, does the majority of the population eat like this, but are largely healthy (and don't go onto claim "but people have obesity" or "heart disease", these people are NOT representative of the majority of the population, and in that case we also have to factor in other aspects like fitness or ultra-processed foods) and go on to live up to their 90s even.
Majority of toxins die when it's cooked yes


But it already had no nutrition to offer to begin with, but when you cooked it even more, guess what happened. Those nutrients that were already little are now gone.

And majority of the population are "healthy" according to which biomarkers?

Like what?? Who the fuck says people are healthy? The Jews? The average person eats seed oils everyday. But if they seem healthy to you even though they eat like that, then just imagine how more healthy they are supposed to be when they are eating optimally.
listening to gurus with no background in science,
Ah yes, Aajonus has no background in scientific experiments, Paul Saladino isn't a doctor.

They are highschool dropouts I'm sure.
 
A nigga who decided to eat raw meat doesn't live a meaningful enough life to talk about anything else
 
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Besides, organs and a lot of meat is yucky
Because you are not used to eating them.

In fact your ancestors aren't either, your ancestors were subhuman grain eating peasants and that's why you turned out to be like this.
Did you know that if you also ingest high amounts of liver for days, you're also going to get issues because of vitamin A toxicity?
Are you sped, dude?

You say muh science and source then say this.

There is no recorded case of hypervitaminosis from eating liver.

Only from taking supplements.

Try to not contradict yourself.
Selectively demonizing plants while ignoring equivalent risks with animal products...
There are zero risks to eating an exclusively animal based diet
 
Humans naturally crave sweet stuff too,
No, they do not.

They literally do not.

I don't know where you fucking pulled this from, out of your ass maybe

Eating fruits sometimes are natural. But to say eating candies are a natural urge, then you most likely have some sort of mental disability
Just because something isn’t as nutrient dense, doesn’t mean it’s useless.
Did you know that it kinda does?

Cause then why would you fill your stomach up with that useless thing?
 
Because you are not used to eating them.

In fact your ancestors aren't either, your ancestors were subhuman grain eating peasants and that's why you turned out to be like this.
Turned out like what? I’m not depressed or anything. My life is okay, not perfect, but I’m actively doing stuff to make it better. Besides, are we not both on the same forum?


No, they do not.

They literally do not.

I don't know where you fucking pulled this from, out of your ass maybe

Eating fruits sometimes are natural. But to say eating candies are a natural urge, then you most likely have some sort of mental disability

Did you know that it kinda does?

Cause then why would you fill your stomach up with that useless thing?
Also it is true. Humans crave fatty, sugary foods because they provide a lot of calories and energy as hunter gatherers. Just watch any nature documentaries, when tribes discover honey they always gouge themselves on it, eating every last bit

I mean its literally wired in our DNA, our dopamine receptors go off when we eat sweet tasking foods

Also plants provide stuff that can’t be found in meat alone as I have listed previously. Humans are omnivores. Not amount of internet bro science is going to change that
 
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sugary foods
Like what? Candy? Jfl
Also plants provide stuff that can’t be found in meat alone as I have listed previously
And to your surprise, those stuff that they provide do more harm than good, so we shouldn't be eating them.
Humans are omnivores
Omnivore as in
Meat
Eggs
Dairy
Seasonal fruit

Then yeah

Vegetable? No
Not amount of internet bro science is going to change tha
You do realize that this isn't bro science right?

Thousands of years of evolution, and you call it broscience

Low IQ award goes to you

Called the diet that we used to survive on broscience

Mirin IQ
 
I have been to there.

I can guarantee you that shit does not grow in nature or anywhere.
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Brassica oleracea, this is essentially wild broccoli, and the predecessor of all the cruciferous family, broccoli was selectively bred from this plant. You can find this plant in the wild in the Eastern Mediterranean (and some parts of Asia), but if you've been to the Mediterranean, where you there on some botanical mission to find wild broccoli or something? I mean I dont know about you but when I travel my priority isn't to find wild version of the foods we eat, maybe just me tho

No, I already told you.

Some can be good some can be bad.

Like some ruminant animals are selectively bred, but healthy to eat.

Whereas there are selectively bred vegetables, and those are toxic as fuck.
Okay fine, let's ignore the "man-made" argument for now. What makes something toxic or not?

???

What the fuck even are you saying at this point

There is a reason why we evolved and those monkeys didn't.
All animals evolve, we just evolved to be rational, that doesn't make us any better tho. But still, you're trying to imply that we evolved because of the carnivore diet or something? I don't really get the point here, in no point of human history where we exclusive carnivores, IRONICALLY ENOUGH, it is theorized based on some very robust evidence that humans managed to develop the brains we have today because we discovered cooking, which allowed us to achieve better caloric absorption and therefore be able to allocate more energy into our brains.

Like ??

I already said that dose does not make the poison, poison is poison.
You have yet to define poison. "bad is bad" but you never explain what bad it because you have no real definition of it, you just "intuitively know it" or deliberately choose not to disclose it so you can consistently move the goalpost when your arguments don't work.

Reminds me of when @thereallegend said his thyroid felt like it was dying when he drank vegetable juice
That's funny... if you're implying that ONE VEGETABLE JUICE put him at a goiter-like state... that's a pretty crazy claim. Even more when we consider that most goiters are painful and people only realize they have it because of the side effects of the disease, it is incredibly unlikely that the feeling of his "thyroid dying" was related to the juice, or even his thyroid at all.

Regardless, anecdotal evidence IS NOT REAL EVIDENCE.

Cows are still ruminant animals.

They eat vegetables, and we eat the cows.

But we aren't supposed to eat the food that the cow does. We are supposed to eat the cow.
"eat the food that the cow does." based on what exactly?

You don't have any credibility.
I have the shared experience of 8 billion people and science on my back.

Dr. Michael Greger recommends you to eat vegetables, and holy fuck I know this is not relevant, push the studies, scientific experiments away for a second, but whatever that dude tells you to do, you should be doing the opposite.
Ad hominem, attacking a person rather than the position they are maintaining, is a fallacy. That aside, no I cannot push experiments and studies away, that is the literal genesis of modern human understanding, modernity is based on science. Engineering is science, medicine is science, nutrition is science, just because an ugly fuck pushes science does not invalidate it (Yes I get it was partially a joke, but had to address it regardless)

EXACTLY.

You finally said it.

Why should I cook something just to make it less toxic?
Because anti-nutrients are heat sensitive and water-soluble. I mean you talk so much about "cooking removing nutrition", shouldn't you know that?
Like it's already fucking toxic, and while knowing that already, why would I still attempt to eat it and make it somewhat edible with cooking and stuff?
Because vegetables have nutrition and beneficial compounds for your body.

Like it doesn't fucking want to be eaten, leave it alone. It has no nutrition to offer.
I'm not going to address it because you already know what I'm going to say. Plot any vegetable into Cronometer and read through the micronutrients.

You can eat raw animal products, every single one of them, and they have all the nutrients you need, but not raw vegetables. Still vegetables are needed to make the diet "balanced" ?? Is that what you're saying? Does that make any sense to you?
Yes it does? I mean you don't need to cook them, you can eat them raw but since they're an issue for you (and truthfully cooking vegetables makes their nutrients more bioavailable, just like it happens when you cook food). I understand that the word "anti-nutrient" sounds scary to you, but if you want a better way of thinking about it, think of animal and meat products as different sports, they're the same thing... a sport, but they operate in different rules. While in one sport you may play with your hands, in another you may play with your legs. You wouldn't critique soccer because "you don't use your hands!" that's not part of the sport!

Maybe that analogy was a bit out there, but I'm sure if you think through it you'll get it. Both animal products and vegetables are beneficial, vegetables and fruits provide vitamin C, vitamin K1, vitamin E, some minerals, which just makes it way easier to achieve your nutritional goals. But most important they have anti-oxidants (vitamin C and E aside, anthocyanins or polyphenols for example in berries) and they contain fiber (consistently linked to less risks of cancers)

Majority of toxins die when it's cooked yes

But it already had no nutrition to offer to begin with, but when you cooked it even more, guess what happened. Those nutrients that were already little are now gone.
Plot any vegetable into Cronometer, choose the "cooked" version, and see what micronutrients they have. We have conducted research to know exactly what micronutrients do various foods have. It is just objectively wrong to say they have no nutrition, like, no matter what lens you look at it from.

For example, 100g of broccoli provides this:
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This is COOKED by the way, so it is accounting for any nutrient loss during the cooking process.

And majority of the population are "healthy" according to which biomarkers?
Most people aren't dying of cancer, coronary heart disease or such. most people aren't in ideal health, but they are what could be considered "healthy", many of them in fact are beyond the standard metric of health and live happy active lives into their 90s. Some of the worlds (if not all of them actually) eat fruits and vegetables, athletes, models (not truly healthy but this is in the context of looksmaxxing) and people in the blue zones.

Like what?? Who the fuck says people are healthy? The Jews? The average person eats seed oils everyday. But if they seem healthy to you even though they eat like that, then just imagine how more healthy they are supposed to be when they are eating optimally.
I think you're a little out of place here, you're thinking about the US... But there are 8 BILLION people out there, processed food consumption, excessive seed oils, etc. aren't that common outside the USA, for example here in Europe, although it is a prevalent and growing issue, it's not too common, and the older generations eat more traditional diets. When I speak about the majority, I am not referring to the horrible health statistics found in the US, they are not representative of the whole world.

Ah yes, Aajonus has no background in scientific experiments, Paul Saladino isn't a doctor.
Yes, and neither of them are credible. Well I respect Saladino a bit more, he does utilize research (although conveniently misinterprets it and cherry-picks it), but in most discussion with actual nutritionists he comes dominated most of the time. Of Aajonus I won't even talk about, he has said so many outrageous things and has done so much damage to you poor brains that I'd be perfectly fine with calling him the anti-Christ.

They are highschool dropouts I'm sure.
Aajonus? I don't know. But Saladino is a respected doctor of psychiatry, I think he left that profession a long time ago though.
 
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Because you are not used to eating them.

In fact your ancestors aren't either, your ancestors were subhuman grain eating peasants and that's why you turned out to be like this.

Are you sped, dude?

You say muh science and source then say this.

There is no recorded case of hypervitaminosis from eating liver.

Only from taking supplements.

Try to not contradict yourself.

There are zero risks to eating an exclusively animal based diet
Oh this is a fun one, because I already had this debate before and the dudes caved so quickly. You CAN get hypervitaminosis from liver, you just haven't bothered to actually review the scientific data and parrot whatever your local carnivore guru tells you is true :lul::lul:

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32861618/ or PMID: 32861618
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10424294/ or PMID: 10424294

It is not a frequently documented phenomenon in the medical literature, because getting vitamin A toxicity from food is as I said, incredibly complicated, but it is completely possible if you eat an absurd amount of these foods.

Just like getting issues with your goiter is possible if you eat too many goitrogens, but it is incredibly complicated because of how much of them you'd have to eat.

All foods have bad compounds (animal foods included) if you over-consume them, and not one of these compounds is worse than the other, if you claim one group of "bad compounds" (which btw is wrong, both anti-nutrients, and obviously vitamin A, have benefits in appropriate quantities) then you are by definition biased, having a double standard and dismissing scientific evidence based on nothing. Your whole argument relies on moralizing foods you don't like, painting them as "toxic" (based on a very loose definition that you have yet bothered to explain) or as "bad" because they may not be as nutritious as animal products, while fundamentally ignoring the very real benefits of vegetables.
 
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Because they know it's bullshit in the subconscious mind

The same way you make fun of individuals who have your flaws
Yes, plants are goyd 4 u!

Never stop eating the plants.

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the diet in of itself is extremely dumb, anyone who has read basic scientific literature on diets knows this.
You have a low IQ.
 
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except goatis eats fruits/carbs

Not eating any carbs....well gl with ur constant cortisol and shit sleep
Yes!

Carbs are goyd 4 u!

Eat them!
 
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Brassica oleracea, this is essentially wild broccoli, and the predecessor of all the cruciferous family, broccoli was selectively bred from this plant. You can find this plant in the wild in the Eastern Mediterranean (and some parts of Asia), but if you've been to the Mediterranean, where you there on some botanical mission to find wild broccoli or something? I mean I dont know about you but when I travel my priority isn't to find wild version of the foods we eat, maybe just me tho
If you ate this you would get poisoned

Did you know that?

That plant is very toxic. Was bred with some other plants and then broccoli became a thing. Brocolli won't kill you if you eat it once yes, but that plant can. Yes broccoli is the less toxic version of that dogshit but still unhealthy.

Also I wanna ask you, does that look appetizing or does that look like food to you? You're just fucking lying to yourself atp bro. You're so brainwashed
Okay fine, let's ignore the "man-made" argument for now. What makes something toxic or not
For example,

Vegetables have anti nutrients, grains have phytates.

Those make them toxic and harmful.
Plot any vegetable into Cronometer and read through the micronutrients.
Yet those are not very bioavailable and come with a lot of anti nutrients.

Vegetables virtually have zero micronutrients that our body gets
just because an ugly fuck pushes science does not invalidate it
He's literally Jewish.
think you're a little out of place here, you're thinking about the US... But there are 8 BILLION people out there, processed food consumption, excessive seed oils, etc. aren't that common outside the USA, for example here in Europe, although it is a prevalent and growing issue, it's not too common, and the older generations eat more traditional diets. When I speak about the majority, I am not referring to the horrible health statistics found in the US, they are not representative of the whole world.
Europe might be healthier compared to USA, but those sweets, chocolates that are sold in markets, that the kids buy, they are seed oil slathered ultra processed foods.

They are eaten widely anyway.

If people somehow still look healthy to you after eating those, then imagine how actually healthy they would be if they are the optimal diet.
Oh this is a fun one, because I already had this debate before and the dudes caved so quickly. You CAN get hypervitaminosis from liver, you just haven't bothered to actually review the scientific data and parrot whatever your local carnivore guru tells you is true :lul::lul:

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It is not a frequently documented phenomenon in the medical literature, because getting vitamin A toxicity from food is as I said, incredibly complicated, but it is completely possible if you eat an absurd amount of these foods.

Just like getting issues with your goiter is possible if you eat too many goitrogens, but it is incredibly complicated because of how much of them you'd have to eat.
3 cases.

3 reported cases.

Why don't they tell us if those people were any supplement takers or not? Or anything else, like overall unhealthy people, that eat garbage food.
Just like getting issues with your goiter is possible if you eat too many goitrogens, but it is incredibly complicated because of how much of them you'd have to eat.
Lowest IQ thing I have ever read.

I already talked about this.

Poison is still poison no matter the dose.
Some of the worlds (if not all of them actually) eat fruits and vegetables, athletes, models (not truly healthy but this is in the context of looksmaxxing) and people in the blue zones
Athletes and models aren't a valid comparison of anything.

They use steroids and do drugs.

So what if they fuckinf eat vegetables when they're on PEDs and exogenous hormones?

Are you fucking sped?

I already had this argument like a few times this week. Muh athletes do this athletes do that

They are on a shit ton of PEDs
For example, 100g of broccoli provides this:
Only thing I can see is Vitamin K, which is K1, which our bodies cannot convert to K2, and the other nutrients are extremely low, so this chart just fucking showed how useless broccoli is. You debunked yourself.

About the Vitamin C, you don't have to eat a toxic plant to get those Vitamin C

I mean what can I say, you debunked yourself bro

Vitamin K2 the one that our bodies can use are found in animal products exclusively
anti-nutrient" sounds scary to you,
Maybe because it binds to the minerals in your body..?

jfl, what are you gonna say, that anti nutrients are good?? Lmao
 
EXCLUSIVELY EAT VEGETABLES (vegans) and be largely healthy and live very long lives.
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Do you actually read actually what ChatGPT is spewing after typing in the prompt or do you just copy and paste in .org without reading it? There is no way you believe such bullshit. You are incredibly stupid.

Pretty much all vegans quit within 5 years due to health problems and go back to eating meat and animal products. It is not probably but guaranteed that vegans will develop digestive disorders and issues due to malnutrition.
 
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If you ate this you would get poisoned
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The plant is edible when young, I mean why do you think humans started eating it lol?

That plant is very toxic. Was bred with some other plants and then broccoli became a thing. Brocolli won't kill you if you eat it once yes, but that plant can. Yes broccoli is the less toxic version of that dogshit but still unhealthy.
Unhealthy based on what standards?

Also I wanna ask you, does that look appetizing or does that look like food to you? You're just fucking lying to yourself atp bro. You're so brainwashed
This has nothing to do with our discussion.

For example,

Vegetables have anti nutrients, grains have phytates.

Those make them toxic and harmful.
Something tells me you just don't know what you're saying, you mention anti-nutrients, say they're toxic and harmful, but you never cite a resource to validate this or even explain the mechanism through which they are toxic. Essentially youre saying "they are bad!" "why?" "because they are bad!" this is circular reasoning in nature.

Do you actually understand why these compounds are bad, or do you just "know" they're bad?

Yet those are not very bioavailable and come with a lot of anti nutrients.
Which you have yet to explain why they're bad.

Vegetables virtually have zero micronutrients that our body gets
No, we have research conducted on this. Again, people survive on a vegan diet, some actually thrive because of individual condition. "micronutrients" are ESSENTIAL compounds for living organisms, like if you were to not consume your nutritients, you'd literall be dead.

So, how can people eat a vegan died and survive if they get "zero micronutrients"?

He's literally Jewish.
:forcedsmile:

If people somehow still look healthy to you after eating those, then imagine how actually healthy they would be if they are the optimal diet.
Which isn't one where you eat raw meat btw

3 cases.

3 reported cases.
These are the 3 reported cases I WAS ABLE TO FIND, not the only ones in history

Why don't they tell us if those people were any supplement takers or not? Or anything else, like overall unhealthy people, that eat garbage food.
Researches know vitamin A supplements can give you vitamin A toxicity, I'm sure that was the first ruling possibility they considered before concluding it was the liver. Is it easier for you to suggest that the researchers did their job wrong, than it is to admit that you CAN get vitamin A toxicity?

AND BEFORE YOU DO IT, because I know you will do it, the fact that this happening is rare doesn't mean anything, you claimed it was "impossible", you cannot turn your words around or reframe that in any other way, your words are already spoken. Saying this because you have the tendency of saying something, and then reframing it as it is convenient for your argument. Vitamin A hypervitaminosis is very much possible through liver.

So we have stablished that all foods have bad compounds when over-consumed... How is this any different from anti-nutrients?

Lowest IQ thing I have ever read.

I already talked about this.

Poison is still poison no matter the dose.
What is "poison", define poison in this context. And also please provide evidence, other than your verbal claims to suggest moderate consumption of broccoli can give you goiter.

Athletes and models aren't a valid comparison of anything.

They use steroids and do drugs.
Okay ignore the athletes then, that doesn't invalidate my point. You still have the group of the blue zones.

Only thing I can see is Vitamin K, which is K1, which our bodies cannot convert to K2, and the other nutrients are extremely low, so this chart just fucking showed how useless broccoli is. You debunked yourself.
  1. Our bodies CAN convert vitamin K1 into K2, it is just a very inefficient process, I can cite a source on that if you want, I just don't have it at hand, but it happened in a conversation with the same retards on the hypervitaminosis thing. Anyway, there's a real metabolic route through which our bodies turn K1 into K2.
  2. LETS ASSUME that it was true our bodies cannot turn K1 into K2... So? Our bodies still use K1 for certain things, K1 and K2 have fundamentally different roles in our body.
About the Vitamin C, you don't have to eat a toxic plant to get those Vitamin C

I mean what can I say, you debunked yourself bro
The fact that a food isn't nutrient-dense doesn't mean it is "toxic"?? Vegetable have other beneficial compounds and it has fiber, try to get those from meat, thats the whole point of a balanced diet, you won't get all of the beneficial stuff from a single group of food, this is why you eat many of them.

Also "the other nutrients are extremely low" IS SO FUCKING STUPID. That's like me comparing beef and liver, objectively liver blows beef out of the water in nutrient-density, but that does not make beef a bad food? But for example, beef has more protein than liver, but even that fact means nothing, because I just eat both of them and get both my protein and my nutrition!

Same case here, you cannot disregard a food because it has "extremely low nutrients", micronutrients aren't the only metric used in nutritional science.

But also, we're ignoring something important, YOU JUST MODIFIED YOUR FUCKING COMMENT AGAIN. It first was "plants have zero micronutrients" and now it is "but it has low micronutrients!!" fucking settle on a stance and stop pivoting as you please. That's dishonest, and just proves you have ZERO idea what you're talking about.

jfl, what are you gonna say, that anti nutrients are good?? Lmao
Yes, they have small net health benefits.
 
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Do you actually read actually what ChatGPT is spewing after typing in the prompt or do you just copy and paste in .org without reading it? There is no way you believe such bullshit. You are incredibly stupid.

Pretty much all vegans quit within 5 years due to health problems and go back to eating meat and animal products. It is guaranteed that vegans will develop digestive disorders, and if they persist they will develop mental illness, tooth decay, muscle wastage, skin ageing and disorders, eyesight loss, infertility, and eventually cancer and heart disease.
Silly goyim, do you think you deserve to eat the optimal diet and live to the age of 150? Grains for you!
 
Yk i eat raw liver and brain right
 
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Do you actually read actually what ChatGPT is spewing after typing in the prompt or do you just copy and paste in .org without reading it? There is no way you believe such bullshit. You are incredibly stupid.
You're the one going against years of medical and nutritional research, and even fucking history. Throughout most of our existence we've been omnivores, thrived and evolved that way, you have no scientifically backed arguments to suggest otherwise. And thankfully I don't need to use ChatGPT, I'm actually educated, maybe that's not the same for you, not everyone is a gullible and uneducated on these things as we are, some of us actually like... read and stuff, you know? Foreing concepts, I'd assume.

Pretty much all vegans quit within 5 years due to health problems and go back to eating meat and animal products. It is guaranteed that vegans will develop digestive disorders, and if they persist they will develop mental illness, tooth decay, muscle wastage, skin ageing and disorders, eyesight loss, infertility, and eventually cancer and heart disease.
I know many long-term vegans and it's not hard to fine many on the internet with a quick google search dude. The vegan diet is not the best, but it is certainly doable if you just know what you're doing.

Regardless, my point isn't to say that a vegan diet is good, a diet where you only exclusively eat plants or meat have their equal downsides, that was said in the context of this dude saying that you get "no micronutrients" or this whole barrage of alarmist takes on plant-foods, the fact that people survive on plants alone for years is evidence enough to debunk that. Again, I'm not advocating for a fully plant-based diet.
 
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So, how can people eat a vegan died and survive if they get "zero micronutrients"?
Around %80 of vegans quit on the 5th year mark.

And just recently, not too long ago, a vegan died from malnutrition, she was famous, pretty sure you have heard about that.
Didn't I tell you like 6 times

Goitrogen, phytates, oxalates

Poisons
Which you have yet to explain why they're bad.


??

Inflammation, binds to minerals and lowers their absorption etc.

Like bro holy shit I have argued with doctors irl and they weren't this stubborn and low IQ

You just won't understand right? No matter how much I explain
"the other nutrients are extremely low" IS SO FUCKING STUPID. That's like me comparing beef and liver, objectively liver blows beef out of the water in nutrient-density, but that does not make beef a bad food? But for example, beef has more protein than liver, but even that fact means nothing, because I just eat both of them and get both my protein and my nutrition!
Not the same thing pal.

WHEN YOU FUCKING EAT THE VEGETABLES, with those minimal nutrients, you are also ingesting toxins like goitrogens and inflammatory anti nutrients.
AND BEFORE YOU DO IT, because I know you will do it, the fact that this happening is rare doesn't mean anything, you claimed it was "impossible
Yet we don't know if those people took any vitamin a supplements or anything

So that study actually doesn't mean shit..?


These are the 3 reported cases I WAS ABLE TO FIND, not the only ones in history
That study is still shit though

We don't know if they took any supplements or anything? Not a proper study


Which isn't one where you eat raw meat btw
But the one where you consume toxic vegetables.

Great
Unhealthy based on what standards?
Based on that it's a fucking plant and plants have defense mechanisms so it doesn't get eaten

Animals fight physically to not get eaten

But a plant can't do that, so it's way of defense is releasing toxins in ur body and you eat that plant like a retard

They do not want to be eaten. It's just like any other animal. It wants to survive and pass it's seed to the other generation. So it will do whatever it takes to survive.
 
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know many long-term vegans and it's not hard to fine many on the internet with a quick google search dude
Funny how none of them has posted blood work before

Look unhealthy

Stink up the room with their farts

Look like shit

A good example of this is that vegan gains subhuman loser
 
a diet where you only exclusively eat plants or meat have their equal downsides,
Eating a plant diet has downsides.

Also no upsides, too. Only downsides. JFL
 
You're the one going against years of medical and nutritional research, and even fucking history. Throughout most of our existence we've been omnivores, thrived and evolved that way, you have no scientifically backed arguments to suggest otherwise. And thankfully I don't need to use ChatGPT, I'm actually educated, maybe that's not the same for you, not everyone is a gullible and uneducated on these things as we are, some of us actually like... read and stuff, you know? Foreing concepts, I'd assume.


I know many long-term vegans and it's not hard to fine many on the internet with a quick google search dude. The vegan diet is not the best, but it is certainly doable if you just know what you're doing.

Regardless, my point isn't to say that a vegan diet is good, a diet where you only exclusively eat plants or meat have their equal downsides, that was said in the context of this dude saying that you get "no micronutrients" or this whole barrage of alarmist takes on plant-foods, the fact that people survive on plants alone for years is evidence enough to debunk that. Again, I'm not advocating for a fully plant-based diet.
Unbelievably low IQ. Can’t get past the first 11 words without low IQ GPTslop coming out your mouth. “years of medical and nutritional science” LOLLL. You are talking about the nonsensical drivel and half assed "studies" JFL. Almost everything that comes out of nutritional science is junk science if it was conducted without a controlled clinical trial, which most studies aren't. That's how people think stuffing themselves full of fiber and man made crap is healthy.

If you want to prove that a meat-based microbiome is not optimal then you have to prove that humans evolved eating modern vegetation instead of meat.

a diet where you only exclusively eat plants or meat have their equal downsides,
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Around %80 of vegans quit on the 5th year mark.

And just recently, not too long ago, a vegan died from malnutrition, she was famous, pretty sure you have heard about that.
Yes, vegans often quit their diet, just like an estimated 95% of people quit ANY diet that involves elimination of certain food groups. What does that prove? Again, your statement was that you get "zero nutrition" from plants, surviving 5 years on "zero nutrients" sounds like a staggering achievement, am I right?

Didn't I tell you like 6 times

Goitrogen, phytates, oxalates

Poisons
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I will start calling meat poison, and mention saturated fat whenever anyone asks me what makes saturated fat, and not even explain anything just say "saturated fat is a poison" over and over again, that surely is a very good argument!

I'm starting to think you may not be too smart, and I don't actually mean to insult you, it just feels like I'm not having a rational argument, let me put my point VERY simply for you, and please read it in your head the same way you'd speak to a child. Saying that "goitrogens, phytates, and exolates are poisons" means nothing unless you validate those very positive claims with evidence or at the very least give a mechanistic explanation of why that is.

Repeating something over and over again without elaborating or providing evidence from it, amounts to nothing. Do you understand?

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Inflammation, binds to minerals and lowers their absorption etc.

Like bro holy shit I have argued with doctors irl and they weren't this stubborn and low IQ

You just won't understand right? No matter how much I explain
I'm sure those doctors were less stubborn because they have way better things than argue with you, don't you think? Anti-nutrients do bind to minerals and lower their absorption, but cooking reducing 60-90% of them, so they're not an issue?

Also, what is inflammation? Just curious.

Not the same thing pal.
It's the exact same situation but using different variables.

WHEN YOU FUCKING EAT THE VEGETABLES, with those minimal nutrients, you are also ingesting toxins like goitrogens and inflammatory anti nutrients.
Which are neutralized by the cooking process and you'd need to eat a shit ton of them for them to even start to become a problem.

Yet we don't know if those people took any vitamin a supplements or anything

So that study actually doesn't mean shit..?
You have an absurd case of confirmation bias, this needs to be studied.
  1. Medical researchers are smart enough to rule out supplements as the primary cause of vitamin A toxicity, as it is the most common one.
  2. In the second study we were not told whether it was caused by supplementation or not, the researchers concluded it was the liver immediately and with fair reasoning that you have NO PLACE TO QUESTION as a non-MD.
  3. However in the first study the supplementation case is directly addressed... I quote verbatim: "In European countries, vitamin A toxicity is most often the result of an excessive intake of vitamin supplements and rarely the consequence of the ingestion of a large carnivorous fish liver." this provides the active implication that in the study, where they analyzed 3 individuals with vitamin A toxicity induced by fish liver, that the cause WAS NOT a vitamin A supplement.

They do not want to be eaten. It's just like any other animal. It wants to survive and pass it's seed to the other generation. So it will do whatever it takes to survive.
Yes, but their means of the defense mean nothing against cooking and our digestive enzymes.
 
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Unbelievably low IQ. Can’t get past the first 11 words without low IQ GPTslop coming out your mouth. “years of medical and nutritional science” LOLLL. You are talking about the nonsensical drivel and half assed "studies" JFL. Almost everything that comes out of nutritional science is junk science if it was conducted without a controlled clinical trial, which most studies aren't. That's how people think stuffing themselves full of fiber and man made crap is healthy.
"controlled clinical trial, which most studies aren't." do you have any idea how clinical research is conducted, or are you just assuming? This whole take is not a logical critique of anything, you're literally proposing a conspiracy theory and using an ad hominemn by saying I use "ChatGPT". Great job buddy, you're actually schizo

If you want to prove that a meat-based microbiome is not optimal then you have to prove that humans evolved eating modern vegetation instead of meat.
We did not improve eating modern vegetation, just the same way we did not evolve eating modern meat obviously, those are modified by us and actually evolved alongside us.

That aside, humans are historical omnivores, dude. I don't think any anthropologist is out there trying to deny that fact, I will not bother searching for any evidence of this because given your "controlled clinical trial" statement you're obviously of the type that dismisses evidence when it's not convenient, but no person with a solid background in pre-historic humanity is trying to deny this. Read a book on anthropology and human history that's really all it takes.

Also, we're built like omnivores, cope about it, but it's true.
 
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Unbelievably low IQ. Can’t get past the first 11 words without low IQ GPTslop coming out your mouth. “years of medical and nutritional science” LOLLL. You are talking about the nonsensical drivel and half assed "studies" JFL. Almost everything that comes out of nutritional science is junk science if it was conducted without a controlled clinical trial, which most studies aren't. That's how people think stuffing themselves full of fiber and man made crap is healthy.

If you want to prove that a meat-based microbiome is not optimal then you have to prove that humans evolved eating modern vegetation instead of meat.


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Also kinda forgot to add... obligate carnivores could not survive on plants since their digestive system is not designed to digest plants, basic biology buddy, so either we're not carnivores or... I mean there's just no other option. For example try to feed a cheetah a plant-based diet and see how long it lasts alive, feed a human a plant-based diet and see them survive, you can argue it's not ideal that they won't have the best health, but they're not dying like the actual carnivores.
 
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Also kinda forgot to add... obligate carnivores could not survive on plants since their digestive system is not designed to digest plants, basic biology buddy, so either we're not carnivores or... I mean there's just no other option. For example try to feed a cheetah a plant-based diet and see how long it lasts alive, feed a human a plant-based diet and see them survive, you can argue it's not ideal that they won't have the best health, but they're not dying like the actual carnivores.
Winner of the discussion btw
 
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All Carnivores don't do this, but a large percentage of the ones that went Carnivore in order to lose a lot of weight do. They do this because they have limited self control and need constant reinforcement to stay on the diet. It is similar to being a former alcoholic, or drug user.

 
Reminds me of when @
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@thereallegend said his thyroid felt like it was dying when he drank vegetable juice
Yeah it was the broccoli kale and alfalfa juiced. Complete shit filled with goitrogens and sulphurofane that destroy your thyroid. Could literally feel my throat throbbing.
 
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Yes, vegans often quit their diet, just like an estimated 95% of people quit ANY diet that involves elimination of certain food groups. What does that prove?
It proves that the diet is not sustainable

Is it too hard for you to figure this out?
obligate carnivores could not survive on plants since their digestive system is not designed to digest plants
Humans also can't survive on plants as our digestive systems isn't designed to digest plants

Why do you think vegans fucking keep dropping dead or getting hospitalized?

Are you seriously too sped to think and figure this out?
 
Quitting doesn’t equal impossibility. Many people quit all kinds of diets (keto, paleo, intermittent fasting, even carnivore, just Google it) and this is not because they’re biologically impossible, but because they require effort, planning, and adaptation. Many of them do quit however because they get health issues if they do the diet wrong, that's true, but it also raises the question, is the diet the issue or the way they were doing the diet the issue?

Again, tons of long-term vegans out there, I have like a third aunt who's been a vegan for a decade at this point, she's alive (and healthy as far as I'm concerned), she has kids and a family. If the vegan diet was "impossible" then no one would be able to maintain it long-term, but people have.

Humans also can't survive on plants as our digestive systems isn't designed to digest plants

Why do you think vegans fucking keep dropping dead or getting hospitalized?
But why do people make it decades on a vegan diet without dying or getting hospitalized. The vegan diet is doable if you have any basic understanding of nutrition, which isn't most people. The fact that someone in history ever died or went to the hospital because they were vegan is not evidence enough to claim "our digestive systems aren't designed to disgest plants" when another greater amount of vegans have been doing it for years and still surviving.

Use your brain for once... Your claim is "we can't digest plants" this implies two things:
  • That we don't have the organ or enzymatic machinery to process plant foods
  • That people on a vegan diet would not be getting any amount of nutrition from their food (this also ties into your other claim about plants giving "zero micronutrients")
Both of these statements are falsifiable, you mention yourself that people quit the carnivore diet in less than 5 years (YOUR OWN WORDS!), and ignoring absolutely misleading claims and potential for bad dietary practices, this is evidence against your claim about no nutrition from vegetables. Humans literally cannot survive without micronutrients, you'd be dead in less 2–3 months, so the fact that people on the vegan diet, regardless of you claiming they were unhealthy or whatever the hell, can survive 1 year, let alone 5 years disproves this claim. Either they ARE getting nutrition from the veggies, or they might not be human, since their bodies are creating matter out of thin air to keep their metabolic processes running.

Your statement about our system not being designed to digest plants is also false, and we can deny it using a similar principle. Unlike REAL CARNIVORES who have a short digestive track and do not have the enzymatic means to process plant foods, humans can survive for extended periods of time only eating plants. This would only be possible if A) we had the enzymatic tools to break down plant foods and utilize their nutrients (ex: amylase used to break down starch) and B) if our digestive tracks were longer than the average's carnivores, thing that would categorize us as omnivores (the longer digestive track is there because it allows for fermentation of fibers).

Again, a pure carnivore will not survive on a plant-based diet, animals fed biologically incompatible diets die in a matter of weeks or months. Feed a lion plants, and it'll be dead very quickly, feed a human plants and while you may argue that they won't be "healthy" or whatever, they will survive for prolonged periods of time if you're giving them a variety of plant foods to address nutritional needs. So while a true carnivore dies on plants, we can at the absolutely least survive on them, what conclusion can you make from that?
 
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It proves that the diet is not sustainable

Is it too hard for you to figure this out?

Humans also can't survive on plants as our digestive systems isn't designed to digest plants

Why do you think vegans fucking keep dropping dead or getting hospitalized?

Are you seriously too sped to think and figure this out?
But of course, I'm a very open guy, so I wanna hear your perspective, why do you say that our digestive track isn't designed to digest plants?

I want a logical explanation at the very least, although ideally you would cite sources or explain anatomy, or literally anything.

If you're so sure of this, you should be able to back up your claims. And before you do it, repeating your words and saying "Because our digestive systems aren't made to process plants, I already told you that!" is not a valid explanation of any sorts, whenever I ask you explain your beliefs you literally default to saying the exact same thing without ever providing any mechanistic explanation. :unsure:
 
why do you say that our digestive track isn't designed to digest plants?
Humans don't have the proper digestive enyzmes to digest fiber, that's why
Quitting doesn’t equal impossibility
It kinda does in this situation when more than half of the vegans quit around the 5 year mark

Why? CAUSE IT'S FUCKING HARD AND NOT NATURAL

It's hard and you are going against your body, so your body doesn't want it and it wants you to stop, and they eventually stop

Literally going against body, that's why the body eventually makes you stop
Your statement about our system not being designed to digest plants is also false
Incorrect.

It is not false.

If you do a little bit of research you'll see our body lack the digestive enzymes to digest cellulose which is found in plants.



This argument was a waste of my time.

Broccoli is insanely toxic

It has sulforaphane, which kills any living organism it comes in contact with.

Yet you're over here saying "muh cook it muh cook it to make it less" why would I bother and waste my time making something that's very toxic, less toxic, to eat it, when I can just straight up eat something that was never toxic in the first place?

Are you sped? I'm genuinely starting to think this. Seems like you have been brainwashed.

It has SULFORAPHANE and GOITROGENS which are toxic.

Yet you're like "just cook it to get rid of them bro"

Again, as I said, why would I bother cooking a toxic plant, just to make it less toxic, so I am able to eat it? Why bother and waste my time doing that? Not like it has any significant nutritional value anyway.
 
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I will start calling meat poison, and mention saturated fat whenever anyone asks me what makes saturated fat, and not even explain anything just say "saturated fat is a poison" over and over again,
You can do that. But you would be incorrect.

Goitrogens mess up with your thyroid function, I've said this many times, and sulfarophanes kill any living organism.

So those are basically poison yes.
 
Well that was really unkind and hurtful. There was no need for that type of language. Please do better 💔

You not only skipped over the entire argument about red meat, but had to resort to personal insults. What does my lifestyle matter to you? Would it make a difference if I was some 6’8 muscular hairy man?



Besides, organs and a lot of meat is yucky 🤢
Why is lot of meat yucky?
 
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Humans don't have the proper digestive enyzmes to digest fiber, that's why
You don't even know what fiber is. We cannot digest ALL fibers, but we can digest a part of it, that indigestible fiber is also beneficial and linked to reduced risks of colon cancers

It kinda does in this situation when more than half of the vegans quit around the 5 year mark

Why? CAUSE IT'S FUCKING HARD AND NOT NATURAL

It's hard and you are going against your body, so your body doesn't want it and it wants you to stop, and they eventually stop
You ignored the greatest body of my comment. How do people survive a vegan diet for 5 years if they cannot digest plants?

Literally going against body, that's why the body eventually makes you stop

Incorrect.

It is not false.

If you do a little bit of research you'll see our body lack the digestive enzymes to digest cellulose which is found in plants.
This is true, we cannot digest cellulose, that's one of the fibers in plants that we can't digest, but the fact that we cannot digest SOME PARTS of the plant doesn't mean we cannot digest all of it, again otherwise people wouldn't be getting any micronutrients from plants. Plant foods have various structures, we can digest some of them, and we can't digest others because they're made of certain fibers which we do not have enzymes or the microbiome to break down.

But it's in those plant carbohydrates which we or our gut microbiome can process that we get our nutrition from plants. Plus, did you know you don't digest ALL the meat you eat? No matter how much you want it your digestive track is inefficient, and some parts of your meat and organs will go undigested as they pass your digestive track and eventually leave your body.

Does the fact that you can't digest all of the meat mean you can't digest all of it? No that stupid. Same with plants.

This argument was a waste of my time.

Broccoli is insanely toxic

It has sulforaphane, which kills any living organism it comes in contact with.
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Yet you're over here saying "muh cook it muh cook it to make it less" why would I bother and waste my time making something that's very toxic, less toxic, to eat it, when I can just straight up eat something that was never toxic in the first place?
Because again, plants food have health benefits not found in meat. The dose makes the poison. If you drink too much water you're going to die, does that mean water is toxic? No fucking dumbass but that's the exact thing you're suggesting.

Anti-nutrients in low quantities as found in most people diets either have health benefits or they don't cause any harm, for example caffeine is an anti-nutrient yet it is a great stimulant linked with a plethora of health benefits in the scientific literature. But of course you eat too many micronutrients you're going to get sick. Does that mean they're toxic or just that you overconsumed them?

And if they ARE toxic... then why don't you say water is toxic? Just like with anti-nutrients it has net health benefits when consumed in normal quantities, but when you overconsume it you get issues in your body. Isn't that your definition for toxicity?
Are you sped? I'm genuinely starting to think this. Seems like you have been brainwashed.

It has SULFORAPHANE and GOITROGENS which are toxic.

Yet you're like "just cook it to get rid of them bro"

Again, as I said, why would I bother cooking a toxic plant, just to make it less toxic, so I am able to eat it? Why bother and waste my time doing that? Not like it has any significant nutritional value anyway.
Because they have a lot of polyphenols, have fiber, anti-cancer properties and help to boost your body's glutathione levels. So they have health benefits which you can't find on meat, cooking these foods reduces the anti-nutrients to degrees that become biologically insignificant.
 
You can do that. But you would be incorrect.
No I wouldn't. Red meat consumption increases triglycerides and LDL cholesterol. But guess why I don't care about this? Because I eat a balanced diet, I lead a healthy lifestyle and saturated fat and compounds in meat have beneficial qualities when consumed in the right amounts.

But of course if I overconsume them, I'm gonna get issues and increase risks for cancer, strokes and heart attacks, this is not a belief, it's a fact proven by hundreds of studies over the years:
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Again, almost like all foods have negative compounds in them but you... you have to consume them appropiately?! WOW, who would've thought?!

Goitrogens mess up with your thyroid function, I've said this many times, and sulfarophanes kill any living organism.

So those are basically poison yes.
So saturated fats aren't poison because they clog your arteries and put you at more risks of a stroke?

Also, again, the average serving of broccoli gets you about 1/30th of the potentially dangerous dose of goitrogens that could give you goiter. To get to the dangerous dose, you'd need to consume 3 lbs of RAW broccoli, for various days. Do you understand how ridiculous that is? That's half the weight of a newborn.
 
How do people survive a vegan diet for 5 years if they cannot digest plants?
You do realise their face sinks, they lose weigh (muscle mass, not fat) be bloated, lethargic, have gas, issues with digestion, bloated gut.
We cannot digest ALL fibers, but we can digest a part of it
Yes, so what?

The indigestible part of it will still cause issues as we can see in vegans, they have bloated guts, why? Because their body can't digest this shit.
plants food have health benefits not found in meat.
No they do not.
The dose makes the poison
Not really in this case.

In this case poison is poison.

A little bit of poison may not kill you, but if you keep consuming it long term it will affect you.

You're ON PURPOSE eating POISONOUS FLOWERS for "muh benefits"
Because they have a lot of polyphenols, have fiber, anti-cancer properties and help to boost your body's glutathione levels. So they have health benefits which you can't find on meat, cooking these foods reduces the anti-nutrients to degrees that become biologically insignificant.
And as I fucking told you, majority of fiber is fucking indigestible, as we see in vegans.

It is the indigestible part of a plant.

"It kills all living organism!" Said no research ever...
"It neutralizes toxins"

Yes bro, it NEUTRALIZES TOXINS, DEFINITELY

ONLY THE TOXINS SPECIFICALLY, AS IT KNOWS WHAT TO DO RIGHT

If NEUTRALIZES EVERYTHING, ANYTHING, and these retards, brainwashing you, talked only about the toxins, whereas it neutralizes everything, so it might destroy toxins yes as it kills anything, but it kills healthy living organisms too.
Does the fact that you can't digest all of the meat mean you can't digest all of it?
The human body can perfectly digest any meat.
Plus, did you know you don't digest ALL the meat you eat?
Not if it's raw. Raw meat is digested perfectly.
 
So saturated fats aren't poison because they clog your arteries and put you at more risks of a stroke?
Your brain is made out of saturated fat.

Take your brain out then. It will clog your arteries.

Don't eat saturated fats, as if your most important organ isn't made out of it, because it will clog your arteries

IT'S LITERALLY FOUND IN THE BODY NATURALLY, but don't eat it, because it will clog arteries bro.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, SATURATED FATS DON'T CLOG ARTERIES. THAT'S A MYTH THAT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.

 
No I wouldn't. Red meat consumption increases triglycerides and LDL cholesterol. But guess why I don't care about this? Because I eat a balanced diet, I lead a healthy lifestyle and saturated fat and compounds in meat have beneficial qualities when consumed in the right amounts.

But of course if I overconsume them, I'm gonna get issues and increase risks for cancer, strokes and heart attacks, this is not a belief, it's a fact proven by hundreds of studies over the years:
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Again, almost like all foods have negative compounds in them but you... you have to consume them appropiately?! WOW, who would've thought?!


So saturated fats aren't poison because they clog your arteries and put you at more risks of a stroke?

Also, again, the average serving of broccoli gets you about 1/30th of the potentially dangerous dose of goitrogens that could give you goiter. To get to the dangerous dose, you'd need to consume 3 lbs of RAW broccoli, for various days. Do you understand how ridiculous that is? That's half the weight of a newborn.
"Dose makes the poison"



definitely bro!


If I eat a little bit of poison, it's healthy somehow, but if i eat large amounts, then it's somehow bad for me!

Do you know how retarded that sounds?



Literally the dumbest shit i have ever heard seriously
 
You don't even know what fiber is. We cannot digest ALL fibers, but we can digest a part of it, that indigestible fiber is also beneficial and linked to reduced risks of colon cancers


You ignored the greatest body of my comment. How do people survive a vegan diet for 5 years if they cannot digest plants?


This is true, we cannot digest cellulose, that's one of the fibers in plants that we can't digest, but the fact that we cannot digest SOME PARTS of the plant doesn't mean we cannot digest all of it, again otherwise people wouldn't be getting any micronutrients from plants. Plant foods have various structures, we can digest some of them, and we can't digest others because they're made of certain fibers which we do not have enzymes or the microbiome to break down.

But it's in those plant carbohydrates which we or our gut microbiome can process that we get our nutrition from plants. Plus, did you know you don't digest ALL the meat you eat? No matter how much you want it your digestive track is inefficient, and some parts of your meat and organs will go undigested as they pass your digestive track and eventually leave your body.

Does the fact that you can't digest all of the meat mean you can't digest all of it? No that stupid. Same with plants.


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Because again, plants food have health benefits not found in meat. The dose makes the poison. If you drink too much water you're going to die, does that mean water is toxic? No fucking dumbass but that's the exact thing you're suggesting.

Anti-nutrients in low quantities as found in most people diets either have health benefits or they don't cause any harm, for example caffeine is an anti-nutrient yet it is a great stimulant linked with a plethora of health benefits in the scientific literature. But of course you eat too many micronutrients you're going to get sick. Does that mean they're toxic or just that you overconsumed them?

And if they ARE toxic... then why don't you say water is toxic? Just like with anti-nutrients it has net health benefits when consumed in normal quantities, but when you overconsume it you get issues in your body. Isn't that your definition for toxicity?

Because they have a lot of polyphenols, have fiber, anti-cancer properties and help to boost your body's glutathione levels. So they have health benefits which you can't find on meat, cooking these foods reduces the anti-nutrients to degrees that become biologically insignificant.
Literally stuff like gluten and other kinds of ATIs will create inflammation and digestive problems and can lead to chronic diseases in time, not everyone has the same resistance to those and thats why many people are being seen going carnivore.
I do eat plants from time to time but in general its basic knowledge that they dont want to be eaten and developed antinutrients for this exact reason.
You might start esting spinach for the iron, but as already seen thanks to the antinutrients in it, basically little to no iron is absorbed in digestion.
Btw this is all from an actual nutritionist that has wrote several books.
Fruits literally want you to eat them, they are much better.
 
You do realise their face sinks, they lose weigh (muscle mass, not fat) be bloated, lethargic, have gas, issues with digestion, bloated gut.
No, no, don't change the topic. YOU SAID YOU CANNOT DIGEST PLANT FOODS AND THAT YOU GET ZERO MICRONUTRIENTS. Stop evading the question, how do these people survive for 5 years then?

And why if you feed a true carnivore a vegan diet it dies in weeks or less than 3 months, but when you do that with a human we can survive for years on end if the diet is done correctly?

The human body can perfectly digest any meat.

Not if it's raw. Raw meat is digested perfectly.
So why do you shit then? Feces are the byproduct of undigested food, if your body was digesting and utilizing all of it, then you wouldn't be going to the bathroom. But human digestion is imperfect and parts of your food will go untouched, you are never going to be digesting 100% of your food.

Even more, research shows that cooking actually increase micronutrient and protein bioavailability, so you're digesting less of that meat than if you were to eat it cooked.
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"Dose makes the poison"



definitely bro!


If I eat a little bit of poison, it's healthy somehow, but if i eat large amounts, then it's somehow bad for me!

Do you know how retarded that sounds?



Literally the dumbest shit i have ever heard seriously
  • Water is healthy for you.
  • But if you drink too much water you get renal failure.
Conclusion: the dose makes the poison.

  • Vitamin A is healthy for you.
  • But if you eat too many foods high on vitamin A consistently for days you will get hypervitaminosis.
Conclusion: the dose makes the poison.

  • Anti-nutrients have neutral or beneficial benefits to health.
  • But if you eat too many of them, specially in raw vegetables, you will get digestive issues.
Conclusion: you tell me.
 
  • Water is healthy for you.
  • But if you drink too much water you get renal failure.
Conclusion: the dose makes the poison.

  • Vitamin A is healthy for you.
  • But if you eat too many foods high on vitamin A consistently for days you will get hypervitaminosis.
Conclusion: the dose makes the poison.

  • Anti-nutrients have neutral or beneficial benefits to health.
  • But if you eat too many of them, specially in raw vegetables, you will get digestive issues.
Conclusion: you tell me.
Not the same case buddy.

Vitamin A is healthy, in lower doses, but in way higher doses, it's not healthy.

Water is healthy, in lower doses, but in way higher doses, it's not healthy.

Broccoli is unhealthy, even in lower doses, and in higher doses, it's still not healthy.

Too stupid to tell that?
 

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