Why do carnivoretards never shut up about it

[asdvek]

• Water is healthy for you.
• But if you drink too much water you get renal failure.

Conclusion: the dose makes the poison.

• Vitamin A is healthy for you.
• But if you eat too many foods high on vitamin A consistently for days you will get hypervitaminosis.

Conclusion: the dose makes the poison.

• Anti-nutrients have neutral or beneficial benefits to health.
• But if you eat too many of them, specially in raw vegetables, you will get digestive issues.

Conclusion: you tell me.

You're a literally fucking sped, low IQ moron, if you still think broccoli is healthy

also watch this and see what happens to the guy:

 

[Zeekie]

They eat fruits which are somewhat good.

So? Fruits are mostly carbs + water, with some vitamins. They are low in essential fats, amino acids, and several minerals. If someone only ate fruit, they’d eventually suffer protein deficiency, essential fatty acid deficiency, and mineral deficiencies.

So no, vegans aren’t surviving years just on fruit, they eat legumes, grains, nuts, seeds, vegetables, fortified foods, and supplements. If survival were only from fruit, they’d be dead or severely ill within 1–2 years.

Now, this actually disproved the claim that we're carnivores. You feed a lion only fruit, and it dies in weeks. You feed a cat only fruit, and it dies too because it literally lacks the enzymes to process plant nutrients. You feed a human only plant-based foods, and they survive for years or decades.

This proves humans do have the digestive capacity to get nutrition from plants, still disproving your claim about zero nutrition from plants, or not being able to digest them. And if we're able to digest fruits, then by extension we can digest vegetables too.

 

[Zeekie]

Not the same case buddy.

Vitamin A is healthy, in lower doses, but in way higher doses, it's not healthy.

Water is healthy, in lower doses, but in way higher doses, it's not healthy.

Broccoli is unhealthy, even in lower doses, and in higher doses, it's still not healthy.

Too stupid to tell that?

Too ignorant to read?

 

[asdvek]

So? Fruits are mostly carbs + water, with some vitamins. They are low in essential fats, amino acids, and several minerals. If someone only ate fruit, they’d eventually suffer protein deficiency, essential fatty acid deficiency, and mineral deficiencies.

So no, vegans aren’t surviving years just on fruit, they eat legumes, grains, nuts, seeds, vegetables, fortified foods, and supplements. If survival were only from fruit, they’d be dead or severely ill within 1–2 years.

Now, this actually disproved the claim that we're carnivores. You feed a lion only fruit, and it dies in weeks. You feed a cat only fruit, and it dies too because it literally lacks the enzymes to process plant nutrients. You feed a human only plant-based foods, and they survive for years or decades.

This proves humans do have the digestive capacity to get nutrition from plants, still disproving your claim about zero nutrition from plants, or not being able to digest them. And if we're able to digest fruits, then by extension we can digest vegetables too.

Too ignorant to read?

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[Zeekie]

You're a literally fucking sped, low IQ moron, if you still think broccoli is healthy

also watch this and see what happens to the guy:

Yes, almost like all he was fucking eating was broccoli, broccoli will not provide you with the majority of your RDA for most foods, specially when you eat it by itself and without fat to aid in the absorption of fat-soluble vitamin. Thankfully, fucking no one is suggesting you eat only broccoli in your diet.

Broccoli is a great food, but it is not a complete food or should be the sole foundation of your diet.

 

[asdvek]

Broccoli is a great food

 

[Zeekie]

See how you're not trying to debunk the scientific literature and just insulting me, this is because you have no way to deny scientific research, so the only thing your minute brain can come up with is this. Textbook definition of ignorance and confirmation bias.

You're incapable of having a rational discussion and yet call me low IQ.

 

[asdvek]

Broccoli

Go and eat it then, faggot.

This argument is coming to end anywhere, as you're too dumb as shit to understand basic human biology.

Go and munch on your little flowers faggot.

 

[asdvek]

See how you're not trying to debunk the scientific literature and just insulting me, this is because you have no way to deny scientific research, so the only thing your minute brain can come up with is this. Textbook definition of ignorance and confirmation bias.

You're incapable of having a rational discussion and yet call me low IQ.

No, no, go and eat your little flowers

 

[Zeekie]

These are just logical and rhetorical fallacies one after the other, you have no real arguments to deny my claims so you're trying to act above the discussion by using appeals to ridicule or ad hominem fallacies

Laughing and attacking me instead of addressing the points, it’s pretty clear you’ve lost the argument. Own it.

I can also kinda predict what you're going to say... "You're so low IQ that I won't even bother with you", this is not how it works. If you understand debating or rhetoric, if you were argumentatively superior or had the ability to back up your beliefs, you would be breezing through my takes, providing counterarguments and not trying to abuse fallacies to act like you're "trolling" when you literally tryharding the argument the whole time.

You ran into a wall which you simply don't have the ability to deny (because you operate not with evidence but with BELIEFS and dogmatic thinking) so this is what you resort to. How pathetic.

 

[Zeekie]

Go and eat it then, faggot.

This argument is coming to end anywhere, as you're too dumb as shit to understand basic human biology.

Anyone with a degree disagrees with you in every single one of your point. People with decades of knowledge and research on nutrition and medical science, who have conducted extensive research and published it in creditable scientific portals would absolutely laugh if they were to read any of what you have said here.

You do not understand basic human biology, you have VERY SURFACE LEVEL KNOWLEDGE, you cannot explain for the life of what how digestion works beyond knowing you eat food and "digest it", you have no idea what enzymes play a role, how the digestive track actually functions, or how digestion works in actual carnivores, what is an anti-nutrient or what it does in the body. All you know is "meat good" "anti-nutrient bad" while not understanding any of the underlying science or research behind that, yet thinking you actually do. Holy Dunning-Kruger.

 

[asdvek]

Anyone with a degree disagrees with you in every single one of your point. People with decades of knowledge and research on nutrition and medical science, who have conducted extensive research and published it in creditable scientific portals would absolutely laugh if they were to read any of what you have said here.

You do not understand basic human biology, you have VERY SURFACE LEVEL KNOWLEDGE, you cannot explain for the life of what how digestion works beyond knowing you eat food and "digest it", you have no idea what enzymes play a role, how the digestive track actually functions, or how digestion works in actual carnivores, what is an anti-nutrient or what it does in the body. All you know is "meat good" "anti-nutrient bad" while not understanding any of the underlying science or research behind that, yet thinking you actually do. Holy Dunning-Kruger.

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A degree doesn't mean shit. A degree won't teach them shit.

This retard over here, that is arguing about broccoli being healthy, a toxic flower, is telling me I don't understand human biology

Actually ironic as fuck

Anti-nutrients bind to minerals, didn't I already tell you this like 5 times or something?

 

[Zeekie]

A degree doesn't mean shit. A degree won't teach them shit.

Yes, there's a certain threshold of intelligence needed to get a degree, specially a STEM one, I doubt you'd benefit from one of those.

But yeah, in most cases a degree doesn't mean shit... It's when a lot of people, wayyy smarter than you, with degrees and decade long career in the field, all collectively come together to say one thing, and you're still trying to deny it.

Yk, it's fine too if you distrust authority and would prefer to see the evidence for yourself and compare the outcomes on the hundreds of studies we have on the subject, if you would like to find a PDF of any reputable book or medical article talking about the things you believe so dearly (how the digestive track works, nutrient availability of vegetables, cooking food, veterinary nutrition, etc.) and decide to come up with your own conclusions. But if you were to do that, you would land at the exact same conclusions as the experts.

Scientific consensus says you're wrong.
If you do the research, you find out you're wrong.

Isn't the conclusion obvious here?

 

[Michelangelo]

No I wouldn't. Red meat consumption increases triglycerides and LDL cholesterol. But guess why I don't care about this? Because I eat a balanced diet, I lead a healthy lifestyle and saturated fat and compounds in meat have beneficial qualities when consumed in the right amounts.

But of course if I overconsume them, I'm gonna get issues and increase risks for cancer, strokes and heart attacks, this is not a belief, it's a fact proven by hundreds of studies over the years:
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Again, almost like all foods have negative compounds in them but you... you have to consume them appropiately?! WOW, who would've thought?!


So saturated fats aren't poison because they clog your arteries and put you at more risks of a stroke?

Also, again, the average serving of broccoli gets you about 1/30th of the potentially dangerous dose of goitrogens that could give you goiter. To get to the dangerous dose, you'd need to consume 3 lbs of RAW broccoli, for various days. Do you understand how ridiculous that is? That's half the weight of a newborn.

If you actually read some biological molecular analysis studies, you would know that normal Ldl does not have affinity for creating lesions along the walls of the blood vessels, its actually oxidized LDL that infiltrates inside the walls of the blood vessels and create the plaque. In addition, oxidized ldl also takes smooth muscle cells (which shouldnt be there) and starts creating collagen and elastin, obstructing the blood vessel even further. @asdvek
It also has to be noted that the body regulates the level of cholesterol once you start assuming it through nutrition thanks to a certain eznyme, as we have seen there are already people eating 30 eggs a day and having normal cholesterol.
Basically you just need to avoid oxidized stress and low-grade systemic chronic inflammation.
This was said by an actual nutritionist, you need to find every info online

 

[Zeekie]

If you actually read some biological molecular analysis studies, you would know that normal Ldl does not have affinity for creating lesions along the walls of the blood vessels, its actually oxidized LDL that infiltrates inside the walls of the blood vessels and create the plaque. In addition, oxidized ldl also takes smooth muscle cells (which shouldnt be there) and starts creating collagen and elastin, obstructing the blood vessel even further. @asdvek
It also has to be noted that the body regulates the level of cholesterol once you start assuming it through nutrition thanks to a certain eznyme, as we have seen there are already people eating 30 eggs a day and having normal cholesterol.
Basically you just need to avoid oxidized stress and low-grade systemic chronic inflammation.
This was said by an actual nutritionist, you need to find every info online

This is true but a bit oversimplified and a bit too optimistic for the carnivore diet, but I generally agree. I understand the role of oxLDL in atherogenesis and vascular issues, and I do not think that otherwise non-oxidized LDL cholesterol presents any issues for otherwise metabolically healthy individuals with low inflammation markers (with some caveats which don't matter in this context). And hell I'd know about cholesterol, I consume a good portion of my diet from saturated fats and like +1200mg of cholesterol a day.

My points were intentionally dumbed down, you expect me to talk with medical accuracy to the dude saying that we physically cannot digest plant foods? My point isn't to say that the carnivore diet is bad, I'm trying to push some sense into this dude's head and explain that plants aren't scary, lol.

That aside, you do seem like a reasonable person, don't tell me that if you read half this discussion you're actually siding with him

 

[CD34]

pure carnivore is retarded.

Is not affordable

 

[brain]

Is not affordable

indeed, nor good for you.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

Why is lot of meat yucky?

I don’t find meat by itself bad, in fact it can be quite good. It’s just that certain types and cooking methods of meat I don’t like

Like unseasoned boiled chicken or mutton is pretty bad, especially when you leave it out and it forms this nasty slimy layer on top

 

[Michelangelo]

This is true but a bit oversimplified and a bit too optimistic for the carnivore diet, but I generally agree. My point isn't to say that the carnivore diet is bad, I'm trying to push some sense into this dude's head and explain that plants aren't scary, lol.

Hell I'd know about cholesterol, I consume a good portion of my diet from saturated fats and like +1200mg of cholesterol a day.

That aside, you do seem like a reasonable person, don't tell me that if you read half this discussion you're actually siding with him

Personally I eat almost everything but i consume gluten, refined sugar (almost never), antinutrients and others in moderation. if i can I will absolutely eat grass fed meat, wild salmon, pasture raised eggs etc.
I dont really condemn carnivore diet because ive seen people that might have digestive issues that had incredible improvements in their health thanks to it.
I wouldnr personally do raw meat diet only because if the meat does not come from controlled sources it can be dangerous (just like sushi etc).
If we really want to be real even read meat steak to have the best salutistic effects should be kept raw inside

 

[ozuhdm]

same as vegans, they think they are smarter than everyone and have discovered the secret and are therefore superior

 

[Zeekie]

Personally I eat almost everything but i consume gluten, refined sugar (almost never), antinutrients and others in moderation. if i can I will absolutely eat grass fed meat, wild salmon, pasture raised eggs etc.

Yes we agree on this, for dinner I almost always have 6 eggs, beef for lunch, and either chicken, sardines or salmon for dinner. I worry about anti-nutrients to a reasonable degree, I boil my broccoli, I boil my spinach, I sautee in butter any veggies that I'll consume, that gets rid of the majority of the anti-nutrients in the foods.

I dont really condemn carnivore diet because ive seen people that might have digestive issues that had incredible improvements in their health thanks to it.

We also agree, I think certain metabolic conditions and gut issues do benefit from the carnivore deit.

I wouldnr personally do raw meat diet only because if the meat does not come from controlled sources it can be dangerous (just like sushi etc).
If we really want to be real even read meat steak to have the best salutistic effects should be kept raw inside

This is the only place where I disagree, it's just not worth the benefits, a normal carnivore diet? Sure, a RAW carnivore diet, you have greater risks of getting a foodborne illness, even with the greatest sourcing mistakes can happen, you're not getting many digestive benefits from eating it raw the evidence actually suggests otherwise, and it's kinda disgusting, come on.

But if someone understands this risks and is otherwise okay with them, that's fine by me, however this dude is NOT like that:

• he claims any diet other than a raw carnivore diet will make you sick
• he claims that humans physically "can't digest vegetables" and that "we get zero micronutrients from them"
• he also claims anti-nutrients, even in natural and safe quantities are "toxic"

None of these claims are validated by any research, and when pushed for answer he just circles around and repeats the same things without bringing any mechanistic nuance to why that is, it's textbook parroting of what the primal influencers say instead of actual critical thinking...