Why do religions claim to give you free will

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Then have their followers name themselves some shit like "slave of god"

Legit a contradiction you can't be a slave and have free will

Or the fact that you literally get burned for eternity if you use your free will "the wrong way" ?

Why would I even be punished for eternity if I sinned for say 60 years?
 
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Or the fact that you literally get burned for eternity if you use your free will "the wrong way" ?
And then they claim that God is all knowing

By creating such aa structure he would know humans would doubt him existing and therefore humans would go to hell

is that all loving??
 
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idk ask god about ts
 
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sometimes i think religions are just made up by random old hobos to control people
 
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And then they claim that God is all knowing

By creating such aa structure he would know humans would doubt him existing and therefore humans would go to hell

is that all loving??
I once asked a Muslim guy about this and he said "actually Allah gives you a walk through of your life asks you 70 times before you're born if you wanna continue and you agree every time" like nigga no tf I didn't
 
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Then have their followers name themselves some shit like "slave of god"

Legit a contradiction you can't be a slave and have free will

Or the fact that you literally get burned for eternity if you use your free will "the wrong way" ?

Why would I even be punished for eternity if I sinned for say 60 years?
religion is for jesters
 
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I once asked a Muslim guy about this and he said "actually Allah gives you a walk through of your life asks you before you're born 70 times if you wanna continue and you agree every time" like nigga no tf I didn't
They also said that the proof is right infront of me and it's my fault

nigga there's not an ounce of scientific proof

more proof for reincarnation than heaven :forcedsmile:
 
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ima still lock in on my religion tho, even if i sometimes do evil shit, hope god forigves me
 
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Thats not the purpose
Then what is it
They also said that the proof is right infront of me and it's my fault

nigga there's not an ounce of scientific proof

more proof for reincarnation than heaven :forcedsmile:
It's always some shit like "just look in the sky brooo how can you look at the moon and say god doesn't exist" legit peak gaslighting
 
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ima still lock in on my religion tho, even if i sometimes do evil shit, hope god forigves me
Mirin, I wish I could get myself to believe in god tbh. It would probably make my life less miserable to know there's an end to this all
 
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Then what is it

It's always some shit like "just look in the sky brooo how can you look at the moon and say god doesn't exist" legit peak gaslighting
I feel like there is a bigger entity tbh

but not in the way that most religions say
 
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Mirin, I wish I could get myself to believe in god tbh. It would probably make my life less miserable to know there's an end to this all
i have a hard time believing certain shit but just try helping ur self and locking in on religion incase there's heaven
 
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Then what is it

It's always some shit like "just look in the sky brooo how can you look at the moon and say god doesn't exist" legit peak gaslighting
God is an easy explanation for existence + provides ppl with a purpose
 
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I feel like there is a bigger entity tbh

but not in the way that most religions say
Abrahamic religions are definitely tales, especially the whole thing that God would pick a random ahh human and make him some special prophet from the start and the amount of contradictions in every one of them

I want to believe god exists but also how tf did he let slavery slide for 4 centuries for example
 
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i have a hard time believing certain shit but just try helping ur self and locking in on religion incase there's heaven
The theory of 'heaven' doesn't make sense

There is literally more proof for reincarnation than Heaven

any experiences of people who went to 'heaven' can just be blamed on hallucinations but there's no counter for the reincarnation stories
 
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Abrahamic religions are definitely tales, especially the whole thing that God would pick a random ahh human and make him some special prophet from the start and the amount of contradictions in every one of them

I want to believe god exists but also how tf did he let slavery slide for 4 centuries for example
Yeah - I feel like God isn't as 'all loving' and stuff as they think he is.
 
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my dad thinks dinosaurs existed with humans and there were no other human species before us we just randomly spawned in ts, hes such a arrogant fuck bruh, you can't even explain and convince him
 
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If you need the fear of punishment to be good,are you really good?
Yeah - I feel like God isn't as 'all loving' and stuff as they think he is.
 
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Another funny observation

If someone beats you up constantly then says it's because they love you that's textbook abuse

But when religioncels see someone suffering their entire life that means god loves them :forcedsmile::forcedsmile:
@inversions @androsterone @imontheloose
 
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Abrahamic religions are definitely tales, especially the whole thing that God would pick a random ahh human and make him some special prophet from the start and the amount of contradictions in every one of them

I want to believe god exists but also how tf did he let slavery slide for 4 centuries for example
Slavery has been around for millennia and is still practiced today in countries such as India or China.
 
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Another funny observation

If someone beats you up constantly then says it's because they love you that's textbook abuse

But when religioncels see someone suffering their entire life that means god loves them :forcedsmile::forcedsmile:
@inversions @androsterone @imontheloose
'It's for personal development and you're gonna live in eternal bliss now'

imagine someone is homeless their whole life and practices Islam thinking he'll end up in heaven and is just reincarnated as a plant.
 
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i would have been locked in on religion more if my dad didn't torture me and mentally abuse me about school and sports everyday
 
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'It's for personal development and you're gonna live in eternal bliss now'

imagine someone is homeless their whole life and practices Islam thinking he'll end up in heaven and is just reincarnated as a plant.
Poverty is literally encouraged in religion. It makes sense because if I made a religion and I didn't want my followers to fight over resources I would just promote poverty in the name of "humility". The more poor you are, the more god loves you. Infact you should feel ashamed if you came from wealth! (Despite Muhammad coming from some of the wealthiest families in Arabia)
 
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Poverty is literally encouraged in religion. It makes sense because if I made a religion and I didn't want my followers to fight over resources I would just promote poverty in the name of "humility". The more poor you are, the more god loves you. Infact you should feel ashamed if you came from wealth! (Despite Muhammad coming from some of the wealthiest families in Arabia)
"Don't have any ambitions to better your life with your own actions - just pray and you will receive everything you want. Don't forget to donate to me though!"
 
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Then have their followers name themselves some shit like "slave of god"

Legit a contradiction you can't be a slave and have free will

Or the fact that you literally get burned for eternity if you use your free will "the wrong way" ?

Why would I even be punished for eternity if I sinned for say 60 years?
Idk about other religons but in mine the thing is that no human is conventially "free" and all chase something in their lives because humans cannot live without purpose, so you will always be "enslaved" to something, that doesnt mean that you dont have free will because to an extent it is your choice and you will be judged upon it in the hereafter. so yes in a way, that free will was never yours and u just had it for a time being. Kinda like a test. The punishment for going to hell being eternal, its because you reject the concept of god, if your sins outweigh your good, and you had knowledge of a true religon but didnt accept it then your arrogance led you to hell. You asked for it. Hope that explains.
 
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Poverty is literally encouraged in religion. It makes sense because if I made a religion and I didn't want my followers to fight over resources I would just promote poverty in the name of "humility". The more poor you are, the more god loves you. Infact you should feel ashamed if you came from wealth! (Despite Muhammad coming from some of the wealthiest families in Arabia)
Lmao, when did Islam say you cant be wealthy? Lots of the prophets companions were wealthy, and most of the prophets family went against him after he started his preaching, and most others died, you could have an amazing life but just stay in the boundaries and still be close to God. lol
 
"Don't have any ambitions to better your life with your own actions - just pray and you will receive everything you want. Don't forget to donate to me though!"
lol. Islam doesnt say that. Ur prayers are useless if you dont put any effort, its not some genie lamp.
 
Idk about other religons but in mine the thing is that no human is conventially "free" and all chase something in their lives because humans cannot live without purpose, so you will always be "enslaved" to something, that doesnt mean that you dont have free will because to an extent it is your choice and you will be judged upon it in the hereafter. so yes in a way, that free will was never yours and u just had it for a time being. Kinda like a test. The punishment for going to hell being eternal, its because you reject the concept of god, if your sins outweigh your good, and you had knowledge of a true religon but didnt accept it then your arrogance led you to hell. You asked for it. Hope that explains.
Having a purpose ≠ being enslaved. Slavery requires ownership and coercion. True free will means choosing without threats, yet in most religions, rejecting god means eternal torture, which is coercion. The test argument doesn't work either because an omniscient god will and does know how it'll end up playing out, making the test redundant and predetermined

You can argue whether free will even exists or not but that's a completely different topic. Religion claims freedom and free will exists but pushes the label slave of god on people which is a contradiction
Lmao, when did Islam say you cant be wealthy? Lots of the prophets companions were wealthy, and most of the prophets family went against him after he started his preaching, and most others died, you could have an amazing life but just stay in the boundaries and still be close to God. lol
It is heavily implied that poverty is viewed as better in islam. Wasn't there a khalifa who chose to wear ripped clothes and sleep outside his castle to show how humble he is? Jfl
 
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lol. Islam doesnt say that. Ur prayers are useless if you dont put any effort, its not some genie lamp.
Can you answer this question?

If God is all loving - why would he create a Heaven and Hell structure based on whether you worship him, with no scientific or physical evidence at all?

And if God is all knowing - wouldnt he know that the human nature HE created meant that humans would doubt his existence, especially among the hundreds of contradicting religions and therefore, by creating humans (without any of their choice) he would know some would 'burn in hell for all of eternity.'

Is that all loving to you?
 
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Can you answer this question?

If God is all loving - why would he create a Heaven and Hell structure based on whether you worship him, with no scientific or physical evidence at all?

And if God is all knowing - wouldnt he know that the human nature HE created meant that humans would doubt his existence, especially among the hundreds of contradicting religions and therefore, by creating humans (without any of their choice) he would know some would 'burn in hell for all of eternity.'

Is that all loving to you?
In this Muslimcels defense I'm pretty sure Allah doesn't claim he is all loving... Not sure if that's a good thing actually
 
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DNR

We live in a deterministic universe

With that free will cannot exist

no need for any kind of deep thinking about the bible

free will doesnt exist with a god or without one
 
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DNR

We live in a deterministic universe

With that free will cannot exist

no need for any kind of deep thinking about the bible

free will doesnt exist with a god or without one

You can argue whether free will even exists or not but that's a completely different topic. Religion claims freedom and free will exists but pushes the label slave of god on people which is a contradiction
 
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Then have their followers name themselves some shit like "slave of god"

Legit a contradiction you can't be a slave and have free will

Or the fact that you literally get burned for eternity if you use your free will "the wrong way" ?

Why would I even be punished for eternity if I sinned for say 60 years?
Muslims (actually may just be an Arab thing) are the one that name themselves that.


But usually what we mean by “slave of god” is that we love him so much that we willingly do anything for him like that of a slave. We aren’t slaves by force but slaves by will. We WANT to be gods slaves that is the greatest honor. Christ himself however says he is not our master no longer but we are his brothers and yet we Christian’s still refer to ourselves as “slaves” why because God is truly so humble that to serve him is greater than anything ever
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This humility is only found in Christianity though tbf
 
Can you answer this question?

If God is all loving - why would he create a Heaven and Hell structure based on whether you worship him, with no scientific or physical evidence at all?

And if God is all knowing - wouldnt he know that the human nature HE created meant that humans would doubt his existence, especially among the hundreds of contradicting religions and therefore, by creating humans (without any of their choice) he would know some would 'burn in hell for all of eternity.'

Is that all loving to you?
God is all loving but also the most just. He is merciful but must be fair. God has the knowledge of who will fail and who will pass. But knowledge doesnt mean injustice. None goes to hell unless they were stubborn on their path. You may not realise it but god gives us alot of chances to return to him, but its us who dont ponder. There are many scientific facts in the Quran aswell long before they were discovered by the feild of science. For instance, embryology is stated in the Quran,
“We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him a drop in a secure place. Then We created the drop into a clinging clot (alaqah), and We created the clot into a lump (mudghah)...”
(Quran 23:12–14)
The transformation from sperm to an embryo all in the womb

The barrier between the two seas:
“He has let free the two seas meeting together. Between them is a barrier which they do not transgress.”

(Quran 55:19–20)

this is refering to oceanic thermoclines.

Hope this helps.
 
None goes to hell unless they were stubborn on their path
"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through, We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise."
(Qur'an 4:56, Sahih International translation)

But knowledge doesnt mean injustice.
Quite literally does - he knows that the creation of humanity will lead to people going to Hell.

Also - last question, can you disprove the proof for reincarnation?
 
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And then they claim that God is all knowing

By creating such aa structure he would know humans would doubt him existing and therefore humans would go to hell

is that all loving??
It’s a choice that’s the point. He knows humans will doubt him and that others like me will belive him and he also knows that many retards like you no matter what proof is shown even if he came to you’d still deny him. Jesus says this in Luke 16 “even if they see a man. Rise from the dead they’d still not believe”

I mean what do you want god to do? Appear seated in Isreal forever and then the world is FORCED to worship him out of fear or would it make more sense for God to make it so that it’s not as clear cut but leave enough evidence that he’s real and leave the rest up to us to DECIDE.

Well that’s what he did but your dumbass is too stupid to even realise this. Also Hell is a place he sends people who don’t want to be with him, you Gaytheists annoy me ngl. Like ok you don’t like gid so god sends you away from him, you didn’t believe him in your life and as evidence of your post you hate him so what do you want him to do? Force you to be with him for all eternity :lul: yeah ofc he removes you from him that’s what your dumbass wants what’s more loving than that? Giving your dumbass what you want. Now sure you experience this as “hell” but that’s only because gods the source of all good and pleasure etc without got your left with emptiness and that’s what your afterlife will be and that’s what you want and deserve don’t complain
 
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Having a purpose ≠ being enslaved. Slavery requires ownership and coercion. True free will means choosing without threats, yet in most religions, rejecting god means eternal torture, which is coercion. The test argument doesn't work either because an omniscient god will and does know how it'll end up playing out, making the test redundant and predetermined

You can argue whether free will even exists or not but that's a completely different topic. Religion claims freedom and free will exists but pushes the label slave of god on people which is a contradiction

It is heavily implied that poverty is viewed as better in islam. Wasn't there a khalifa who chose to wear ripped clothes and sleep outside his castle to show how humble he is? Jfl
Islam says free will is an illusion. Infact materialistic pleasures are illusions that will never lead to finding true peace or happiness, but it isnt wrong to be rich and push your self for excellence just dont lose yourself chasing something finite, living on the streets is simply wrong, celibacy is also prohibited in Islam, im pretty sure thats a christian thing.
 
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It’s a choice that’s the point. He knows humans will doubt him and that others like me will belive him and he also knows that many retards like you no matter what proof is shown even if he came to you’d still deny him. Jesus says this in Luke 16 “even if they see a man. Rise from the dead they’d still not believe”

I mean what do you want god to do? Appear seated in Isreal forever and then the world is FORCED to worship him out of fear or would it make more sense for God to make it so that it’s not as clear cut but leave enough evidence that he’s real and leave the rest up to us to DECIDE.

Well that’s what he did but your dumbass is too stupid to even realise this. Also Hell is a place he sends people who don’t want to be with him, you Gaytheists annoy me ngl. Like ok you don’t like gid so god sends you away from him, you didn’t believe him in your life and as evidence of your post you hate him so what do you want him to do? Force you to be with him for all eternity :lul: yeah ofc he removes you from him that’s what your dumbass wants what’s more loving than that? Giving your dumbass what you want. Now sure you experience this as “hell” but that’s only because gods the source of all good and pleasure etc without got your left with emptiness and that’s what your afterlife will be and that’s what you want and deserve don’t complain
Ok - why is there no proof for heaven but there is proof for reincarnation?
 
Ok - why is there no proof for heaven but there is proof for reincarnation?
There’s no proof for reincarnation so kindly stfu idiot. Heaven isn’t a physical material realm rn anyways so ofc there wouldn’t be scientific evidence off it you dumbass. Imagine asking for physical empirical evidence for a thing that isn’t physical it’s abstract and immaterial besides as I said before heaven is what is created once the day of judgement happens what we get when we die is a foretaste of paradise which is those who followed god feeling his presence in peace being with him spiritually until the judgement. The rest like idiots like yourself will die and have shit time bruv lol


And the irony is you worship science like it’s your god yet the preconditions for science you yourself cane even explain why they exist and how they exist that’s how cringe you dumbass Gaytheists are “MUH SOYANCE :feelsuhh::feelsuhh::feelsuhh::feelsuhh:“ meanwhile they imposes induction, epistolmogly logic, reliability of the senses and metaphysics etc. all things your stupid GAYtheist worldview cannot account for
 
It’s a choice that’s the point. He knows humans will doubt him and that others like me will belive him and he also knows that many retards like you no matter what proof is shown even if he came to you’d still deny him. Jesus says this in Luke 16 “even if they see a man. Rise from the dead they’d still not believe”

I mean what do you want god to do? Appear seated in Isreal forever and then the world is FORCED to worship him out of fear or would it make more sense for God to make it so that it’s not as clear cut but leave enough evidence that he’s real and leave the rest up to us to DECIDE.

Well that’s what he did but your dumbass is too stupid to even realise this. Also Hell is a place he sends people who don’t want to be with him, you Gaytheists annoy me ngl. Like ok you don’t like gid so god sends you away from him, you didn’t believe him in your life and as evidence of your post you hate him so what do you want him to do? Force you to be with him for all eternity :lul: yeah ofc he removes you from him that’s what your dumbass wants what’s more loving than that? Giving your dumbass what you want. Now sure you experience this as “hell” but that’s only because gods the source of all good and pleasure etc without got your left with emptiness and that’s what your afterlife will be and that’s what you want and deserve don’t complain
But hell is living on "earth" in hell or am I wrong

Or is hell for you in another dimension after death

If not then everyone has to go to heaven or am I wrong
 
There’s no proof for reincarnation so kindly stfu idiot. Heaven isn’t a physical material realm rn anyways so ofc there wouldn’t be scientific evidence off it you dumbass. Imagine asking for physical empirical evidence for a thing that isn’t physical it’s abstract and immaterial besides as I said before heaven is what is created once the day of judgement happens what we get when we die is a foretaste of paradise which is those who followed god feeling his presence in peace being with him spiritually until the judgement. The rest like idiots like yourself will die and have shit time bruv lol
Notice how it was a civilised debate and then religioncels begin throwing around insults when we could converse like normal people?

There are literal stories of kids reciting shit from 'previous lives' with basically full accuracy - and there was no link between the kid, the family he was born into and his claimed 'previous life.'

I recommend you read into this, it's pretty interesting.

and don't reply to me with a bunch of retarded nonsense with vulgar language, just convey ur point like a normal conversation
 
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But hell is living on "earth" in hell or am I wrong

Or is hell for you in another dimension after death

If not then everyone has to go to heaven or am I wrong
It’s both a place but more of a state of being hell is the same place as the believer but we experience gods eternal light as pleasure joy and happiness. Idiots like the Gaytheidt dickriders here will exp the afterlife as torment, regret, pain and stress

Why? Because they reject god which is the source of all good and so god gives these idiots what they want.

There’s plenty of evidence for god god read a philosophy book or read history ifs clear Christ is god I mean to deny God at this point is unjustifiable and so all Gaytheists go to hell where they belong and it’s what they truly deserve
 
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"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through, We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise."
(Qur'an 4:56, Sahih International translation)


Quite literally does - he knows that the creation of humanity will lead to people going to Hell.

Also - last question, can you disprove the proof for reincarnation?
ill give an analogy, say a teacher sees a student clueless right before handing out the exam, he knows that the student will fail, but does that make it unjust to test him? As for reincarnation their isnt any scientific evidence at all, Dr Ian Stevenson studied thousands of children who claimed past-life memories but the explanations often involved indirect exposure to past information, and no scientific consensus. So to say that reincarnation has proofs is a bit off. As for heaven i wont claim there is any claims either. But it would certainly have to exist if you believe in Justice or God because justice isn't often found here, So its a question of does God exist or not? Well in simplicity, If clothes need a creator than how could the universe be set in such perfection. Coincidence? Is the earth being located on the goldilocks range and having the perfect conditions for life also a concidence? Not in a million years can a clothe just appear from natrual phenomenon so how could such a large universe. Hope that helps.
 
Notice how it was a civilised debate and then religioncels begin throwing around insults when we could converse like normal people?

There are literal stories of kids reciting shit from 'previous lives' with basically full accuracy - and there was no link between the kid, the family he was born into and his claimed 'previous life.'

I recommend you read into this, it's pretty interesting.

and don't reply to me with a bunch of retarded nonsense with vulgar language, just convey ur point like a normal conversation
even me😢
 
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Notice how it was a civilised debate and then religioncels begin throwing around insults when we could converse like normal people?

There are literal stories of kids reciting shit from 'previous lives' with basically full accuracy - and there was no link between the kid, the family he was born into and his claimed 'previous life.'

I recommend you read into this, it's pretty interesting.

and don't reply to me with a bunch of retarded nonsense with vulgar language, just convey ur point like a normal conversation
I added to my comment go re read it again I added a 2nd paragraph

I always debate aggressively with low IQs don’t equate me to other people your dealing with ME and individual let’s keep it at that level plz if you don’t like how I behave then cry

Ok so what if they recount shit from previous lives? You notice how most of them also talk about GOD being the one that did this for them and how those same kids say they went to heaven and met God he read these stories so stfu :lul: you absolute idiot

There’s also stories of ppl dying going to heaven and hell etc and coming back and chatting about it as well imagine being able to accept this stuff but not doing basic philosophy which will lead you to the fact that god is necessary and only the Christian god makes sense and can ground all of creation. It’s literally the only way.

If you wanna learn more for ONCE I’ll not be a dick and I’ll treat you as a human because this requires humility on both our ends if your free to learn about it then just ask and I’ll do so. Promise I’ll not be a ass
 
say a teacher sees a student clueless right before handing out the exam, he knows that the student will fail, but does that make it unjust to test him?
But the teacher taught the student nevertheless - God didn't put me on this earth with knowledge that he exists.

There was no proof or anything scientific teachings related to him - the analogy is incomparable.
Coincidence? Is the earth being located on the goldilocks range and having the perfect conditions for life also a concidence? Not in a million years can a clothe just appear from natrual phenomenon so how could such a large universe. Hope that helps.
I agree that there is a bigger power - but it just isn't the way that most religions say God exists - I said this before.
 
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It’s both a place but more of a state of being hell is the same place as the believer but we experience gods eternal light as pleasure joy and happiness. Idiots like the Gaytheidt dickriders here will exp the afterlife as torment, regret, pain and stress

Why? Because they reject god which is the source of all good and so god gives these idiots what they want.

There’s plenty of evidence for god god read a philosophy book or read history ifs clear Christ is god I mean to deny God at this point is unjustifiable and so all Gaytheists go to hell where they belong and it’s what they truly deserve
If you think that way, then there must be free will so that a person can choose between God and gaytheism.

But since we most likely live in a deterministic universe or at least a subjectively deterministic one for us free will cannot truly exist

Your will is the result of a cause it cannot come from nothing

Therefore, it is already predetermined whether you will find your way to Jesus or not, because certain conditions are given to yo


For example, if you grow up in a country where no one really knows Jesus, or yore born into another religion, then thats not your fault

Whether you become a sinner and separate yourself from God can have causes for which a person is not responsible like having terrible parents, growing up poor, being bullied at school, or having bad genetics that lead to a pessimistic worldview in which belief in God fades


The same person, if born under perfect conditions with good parents, for example, who are religious might have found it much easier to believe in God

How can this be fair

In a determinstic universe everything is already been given and decided before you were born
 

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