Why do so many guys hop on extreme cycles in teens? Many will be bald at 25-30?

[Bipolar2Cel]

Guys here literally start blasting multiple androgenic compounds and do zero for hair protection or take so much gear it is impossible to protect anyway, just asking for extreme Norwood at 25-30 for most guys. Why? I am unc now and so glad I got my fat thick long mane intact. Norwooding with roids is one of the worst things that can happen as young adult unless you are ready to fully ogremaxx(even then any scrawny prettyboy would mog you in most scenarios for SMV). Not to mention many guys will get extreme acne which not even isotretinoin can control or suffer even more side-effects.

Roid muscles but + norwood + shit skin is net looksmin as fuck imo. At least try something more liable to be hair and skin safe like testo only + dutasteride first? Why not see how big you get on testo cycle + dutasteride first before adding all other extreme androgenic shit? I mean you don't even need to get bigger than you do from just test to be very heavily "roid mogging" already lol, unless you got Jason Blaha tier genetics but then not even tren could save him.

Just think many young guys here think unless you ascend in teens/at 20 with roids(which is often cope) it is over lol. You can still be a total stud at 30+ if not prematurely balded/wrinkled/aged from extreme roid use. Yeah some guys got crazy androgen resistant genetics but given how widespread MPB genes are in the population tons of guys here will be norwooded as fuck by sometime in their 20s. Also most long-term past 10 years guy roid users I know from my teens are all bald and ugly as f now in their 30s lol. Most are fat now too and not even ogremaxxed due to burnout + injuries lol.

Plus most roid/fake natty influencers what are they? Yeah they are prettyboy types on roids and it is the former driving most of their success still not roids, the roids/muscles are just the extra boost they get from reach. Most guys here won't reach their level? They will just become bald ogremaxxed by their late 20s most likely.

Just don't see why young guys hop on all this shit and burn out quickly and don't think about looks-longevity and destroy their hair and skin lol. Am I wrong? Not seeing the other side?

 

[smegor]

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

Guys here literally start blasting multiple androgenic compounds and do zero for hair protection or take so much gear it is impossible to protect anyway, just asking for extreme Norwood at 25-30 for most guys. Why? I am unc now and so glad I got my fat thick long mane intact. Norwooding with roids is one of the worst things that can happen as young adult unless you are ready to fully ogremaxx(even then any scrawny prettyboy would mog you in most scenarios for SMV). Not to mention many guys will get extreme acne which not even isotretinoin can control or suffer even more side-effects.

Roid muscles but + norwood + shit skin is net looksmin as fuck imo. At least try something more liable to be hair and skin safe like testo only + dutasteride first? Why not see how big you get on testo cycle + dutasteride first before adding all other extreme androgenic shit? I mean you don't even need to get bigger than you do from just test to be very heavily "roid mogging" already lol, unless you got Jason Blaha tier genetics but then not even tren could save him.

Just think many young guys here think unless you ascend in teens/at 20 with roids(which is often cope) it is over lol. You can still be a total stud at 30+ if not prematurely balded/wrinkled/aged from extreme roid use. Yeah some guys got crazy androgen resistant genetics but given how widespread MPB genes are in the population tons of guys here will be norwooded as fuck by sometime in their 20s. Also most long-term past 10 years guy roid users I know from my teens are all bald and ugly as f now in their 30s lol. Most are fat now too and not even ogremaxxed due to burnout + injuries lol.

Plus most roid/fake natty influencers what are they? Yeah they are prettyboy types on roids and it is the former driving most of their success still not roids, the roids/muscles are just the extra boost they get from reach. Most guys here won't reach their level? They will just become bald ogremaxxed by their late 20s most likely.

Just don't see why young guys hop on all this shit and burn out quickly and don't think about looks-longevity and destroy their hair and skin lol. Am I wrong? Not seeing the other side?

any teenagers who is actually running high amount of gear is retarted + it's harder to ascend the older you become

 

[mortis]

because frontal lobe do not fully develop until 21 22 on average, so they do stupid shit.

 

[slournhe]

extrm cycles underage are done by ppl chosen by natural selection + if a cycle is test gh and dhb fin/dut will keep u norwood 1 for life

 

[gaastavo]

cycles for hair as well LOL

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

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Yeah except I am the one still with hair as unc stud wall of texter.

any teenagers who is actually running high amount of gear is retarted + it's harder to ascend the older you become

Yeah but also why you shouldn't ascend at 20 then descend at 25 already, you should still be Chad in your 30s preferably. Ascending early then spending rest of life ugly when a lot of it was avoidable for a long time again is retarded also. You are ideally not supposed to look like shit in your 30s for ex.

extrm cycles underage are done by ppl chosen by natural selection + if a cycle is test gh and dhb fin/dut will keep u norwood 1 for life

Makes sense. And yeah T + dutasteride can at least be hair safe for a lot of guys. Think it may not be 100% guaranteed hair safe for some long-term, some seem to thin/recede a bit or need a HT eventually but for sure what you should be doing anyway. I wouldn't trust finasteride to be enough though with that much exogenous androgens you literally have no need for the trash hormone DHT anyway lol, may as well suppress even more with dutasteride.

 

[slournhe]

Yeah except I am the one still with hair as unc stud wall of texter.


Yeah but also why you shouldn't ascend at 20 then descend at 25 already, you should still be Chad in your 30s preferably. Ascending early then spending rest of life ugly when a lot of it was avoidable for a long time again is retarded also. You are ideally not supposed to look like shit in your 30s for ex.


Makes sense. And yeah T + dutasteride can at least be hair safe for a lot of guys. Think it may not be 100% guaranteed hair safe for some long-term, some seem to thin/recede a bit or need a HT eventually but for sure what you should be doing anyway. I wouldn't trust finasteride to be enough though with that much exogenous androgens you literally have no need for the trash hormone DHT anyway lol, may as well suppress even more with dutasteride.

depends on age dht is very important in dimo + the sides of Test come from pumping your body immediately with an unexpected amount/fluctuating test levels from pumping it inconsistently (less then 2-3times a week possibly daily) always better to start with 85mg every 3 days then moving up after 2 weeks till you get to a desired spot just to stay side effect safe

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

depends on age dht is very important in dimo + the sides of Test come from pumping your body immediately with an unexpected amount/fluctuating test levels from pumping it inconsistently (less then 2-3times a week possibly daily) always better to start with 85mg every 3 days then moving up after 2 weeks till you get to a desired spot just to stay side effect safe

Sibling studies of those with 5-ar deficiency vs not don't show much difference in bone male dimorphism development from what I remember, seems to be mostly T and E mediated. It is not like you get total suppression of DHT either even on fin/dut and norwooding is very, very bad for SMV. Acne too(from roids and DHT).

Edit: And you are still in a super-androgenic state overall from all that exogenous T.

 

[slournhe]

Sibling studies of those with 5-ar deficiency vs not don't show much difference in bone male dimorphism development from what I remember, seems to be mostly T and E mediated. It is not like you get total suppression of DHT either even on fin/dut and norwooding is very, very bad for SMV. Acne too(from roids and DHT).

Edit: And you are still in a super-androgenic state overall from all that exogenous T.

id have to do more research on studys between the thoes with 5-ar def and without and the difference between their dimo, nonetheless id rather been a subhuman babycel then a bald ogree

 

[smegor]

Yeah except I am the one still with hair as unc stud wall of texter.


Yeah but also why you shouldn't ascend at 20 then descend at 25 already, you should still be Chad in your 30s preferably. Ascending early then spending rest of life ugly when a lot of it was avoidable for a long time again is retarded also. You are ideally not supposed to look like shit in your 30s for ex.


Makes sense. And yeah T + dutasteride can at least be hair safe for a lot of guys. Think it may not be 100% guaranteed hair safe for some long-term, some seem to thin/recede a bit or need a HT eventually but for sure what you should be doing anyway. I wouldn't trust finasteride to be enough though with that much exogenous androgens you literally have no need for the trash hormone DHT anyway lol, may as well suppress even more with dutasteride.

i have a full head of hair. ru588416769 baby

 

[pflgod]

U can prevent Norwood reaper entirely if u just run hair protecting compounds

And most late teens don’t even need to do this, u wont start Norwooding at 20 even if u roid, just gotta start doing fin and whatnot near mid 20s

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

i have a full head of hair. ru588416769 baby

Yeah but a lot of these guys won't even be able to do that probably lol, steroid load will be too big or outcompete RU. Plus I've not seen studies comparing roids binding to AR receptors in hair follicles to RU, really hard to say if it will work or not let alone the huge genetics factor. Also some guys are slowly miniaturizing anyway not realizing it because they keep their hair short and it can take years to many years for damages to show.

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

U can prevent Norwood reaper entirely if u just run hair protecting compounds

And most late teens don’t even need to do this, u wont start Norwooding at 20 even if u roid, just gotta start doing fin and whatnot near mid 20s

Lol, why let the damage happen in the first place? Once it is obviously there there is no guarantee that you can reverse it or get good regrowth.

Edit: Plenty of guys also start norwood around 20s or get slow and steady diffuse thinning. Can take years to show obvious damage.

 

[pflgod]

Lol, why let the damage happen in the first place? Once it is obviously there there is no guarantee that you can reverse it or get good regrowth.

Wdym why? Roids have literally changed some lives bruh, gotten teens more dimorphic faces, better physiques, wider/taller, more masculine mindset

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

Wdym why? Roids have literally changed some lives bruh, gotten teens more dimorphic faces, better physiques, wider/taller, more masculine mindset

Why? Because norwooding sucks and heavy norwood at 25-30s makes it over for you, you are stuck dating old hags after that. If you look good with intact hair then you are able to slay 20s year olds with ease even in your 30s if Chad/pretty enough. Most roiders I see never successfully ascended they just stay in cope mode. Many guys that ascended already had good faces and height anyway. Not saying some haven't been successful but lots never ascend and then look like shit at 30~.

 

[pflgod]

Why? Because norwooding sucks and heavy norwood at 25-30s makes it over for you, you are stuck dating old hags after that. If you look good with intact hair then you are able to slay 20s year olds with ease even in your 30s if Chad/pretty enough. Most roiders I see never successfully ascended they just stay in cope mode. Many guys that ascended already had good faces and height anyway. Not saying some haven't been successful but lots never ascend and then look like shit at 30~.

Yeah i don’t disagree that hair is law but im saying u can easily have both as long as u run the right protective stack which is cheap and easy asw

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

Yeah i don’t disagree that hair is law but im saying u can easily have both as long as u run the right protective stack which is cheap and easy asw

Well, roid forums are full of guys that went bald anyway in spite of fin/dut + minoxidil + RU. I think a lot of those that successfully kept hair already had some genetic resistance + enough hair protection stack. Just statistically lots of guys here won't have that. Anyway why don't guys just stick to testosterone cycle + dutasteride lol? You don't even need to get bigger than that.