Why does MSE make your cheekbones look worse?

[Deleted member 7725]

I'm planning on undergoing MSE since I need a wider palate anyways medically but also cosmetics. In theory, widening your zygos would lead to more lateral eversion giving you that striking chiseled look. But all the results I've seen have just turned people's cheekbones that were small but still defined, into bulky wide cheeks that lack any definition and look worse than the original. How does this make sense?

These are typical before/after with a wide definition-less face and severe asymmetry:

Even Chad loses definition:

Every result I've seen has ended up looking like shit with asymmetry. Even in motion they look terrible:





Why does this happen? Is there an disproportional expansion that occurs (lower maxilla widens much more than zygos) that removes the draping effect from the zygos? Would it be smarter to just skip MSE and get the palate expanded during bimax then alter the zygos after with ZSO or similar? Or do they just need wider jaws to match up with the wider zygos?

@varbrah @RealSurgerymax @tesseract

 

[randomvanish]

MSE is unstable. Be a man and go get SARPE

 

[Deleted member 7725]

MSE is unstable. Be a man and go get SARPE

No zygo changes.

 

[randomvanish]

No zygo changes.

better than having a fucking asymmetry

 

[Slob]

literally no difference

 

[Deleted member 7725]

better than having a fucking asymmetry

I've heard people on this forum claim they personally had or have seen good results. But yet, I can't find any online.

 

[Nims]

I've heard people on this forum claim they personally had or have seen good results. But yet, I can't find any online.

I'll send you mine post op if you want but Im not getting it until 4 months time .

Usually sarpe does result in less asymmetries but I dont see why you wouldnt be able to achieve zygo improvements if done in conjunction with a good expander.

 

[Deleted member 19064]

Most of those results, the ones where the asymmetry isn't immediately evident, actually look better in my opinion.

That chad guy is a retard for getting MSE. Also the example you posted from jaw hacks; that guy expanded like 18 mms lol and his right side took off into outer space. He really deformed himself.

I wouldn't get MSE for aesthetic purposes, but its a mogger for airway benefits.

 

[Verse]

TLDR; MSE is for retards just get SARPE

 

[Nims]

TLDR; MSE is for retards just get SARPE

Yep, MSE is cucked asf and doesnt produce enough force it will almost always result in asymmetries.

 

[Mongrelcel]

lateral expansion of the zygos is rarely wanted, only cases it actually makes a positive looks difference is when the person before had cheekbones more narrow than the temples, aka too narrow

but in most people, it makes the cheekbones wider to the point of it being unnecessary, making ES ratio worse, and creating an oval face shape

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Two answers for this:
1. MSE is a SHIT GAY surgery
2. Its a brutal world

 

[chigoha]

if you want wider zygos and better cheekbones just get implants, fillers or ZSO

i used to be an MSE coper thinking it would magically make my face wider while in reality it either does nothing or fucks you up

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Most of those results, the ones where the asymmetry isn't immediately evident, actually look better in my opinion.

That chad guy is a retard for getting MSE. Also the example you posted from jaw hacks; that guy expanded like 18 mms lol and his right side took off into outer space. He really deformed himself.

I wouldn't get MSE for aesthetic purposes, but its a mogger for airway benefits.

Well my situation is that I will need to get palate expansion during bimax anyways, so I would get MSE since I need it anyways and get the potential zygo improvements. Do you think ~6mm is a safe range to prevent flagrant asymmetry?

 

[Thecovenant]

Most surgeons say that adults wont even get zygo expansion, these faces might be still swollen

Mse causes few mms of downwards growth though can this be noticable @RealSurgerymax

 

[Verse]

Yep, MSE is cucked asf and doesnt produce enough force it will almost always result in asymmetries.

underrated negative is that is also gives you a black person nose

 

[Mongrelcel]

underrated negative is that is also gives you a black person nose

this is the real biggest negative of MSE

you can go with SARPE, but then you won't get the breathing improvement part of MSE

the breathing improvement just comes with the widening of the nose, logically

 

[Mr.Proper]

For aesthetic benefits, well-designed cheekbones implants may be indeed superior. Mse will evolve into something better, eventually, but how much time it will take is not known yet.https://looksmax.org/threads/standa...adult-males-will-soon-become-obsolete.581136/

 

[Deleted member 19064]

Well my situation is that I will need to get palate expansion during bimax anyways, so I would get MSE since I need it anyways and get the potential zygo improvements. Do you think ~6mm is a safe range to prevent flagrant asymmetry?

I don't think anyone is safe from asymmetry with MSE. Honestly I would just get it surgically expanded. the mid face benefits aren't always aesthetic

 

[Deleted member 19064]

this is the real biggest negative of MSE

you can go with SARPE, but then you won't get the breathing improvement part of MSE

the breathing improvement just comes with the widening of the nose, logically

yeah but in my experience, the nose expands in proportion to the rest of the mid face, so it doesn't really matter much.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

this is the real biggest negative of MSE

you can go with SARPE, but then you won't get the breathing improvement part of MSE

the breathing improvement just comes with the widening of the nose, logically

that would be an interesting option for NARROW PALATE CELS

 

[Verse]

this is the real biggest negative of MSE

you can go with SARPE, but then you won't get the breathing improvement part of MSE

the breathing improvement just comes with the widening of the nose, logically

you think you can offset the negative with rhinoplasty afterwards?

 

[Nims]

TPD expanders look alot better in comparison to MSE tbh.

you think you can offset the negative with rhinoplasty afterwards?

New oneitis

that would be an interesting option for NARROW PALATE CELS

Probably but I think SARPE just by itself without expander cant really get that much expansion around 5mm is probably the maximum.


I personally have a narrow palate myself its like 31mm, from my CTs you can see my maxilia is too small for my mandible, so I would probably need alot more than 6mm to make my maxilia a reasonable size in comparison to lower. I havent got dental impressions yet so I have no idea on messurements.

Personally I'll be getting Ease(Very similar to SARPE)/TPD(KLS).

Hopefully it doesnt ruin my face .

 

[Deleted member 2729]

TPD expanders look alot better in comparison to MSE tbh.

New oneitis


Probably but I think SARPE just by itself without expander cant really get that much expansion around 5mm is probably the maximum.


I personally have a narrow palate myself its like 31mm, from my CTs you can see my maxilia is too small for my mandible, so I would probably need alot more than 6mm to make my maxilia a reasonable size in comparison to lower. I havent got dental impressions yet so I have no idea on messurements.

Personally I'll be getting Ease(Very similar to SARPE)/TPD(RPE).

Hopefully it doesnt ruin my face .

Praying for your ascension boyo. How do I know if I need MSE?

 

[Nims]

Praying for your ascension boyo.

Thanks .

How do I know if I need MSE?

Obviously if you have sa or something then perhapse you need it.

Size of palate is a good sign tbh, any idea how wide yours is?

This is a good video that explains it well:


Personally I wouldnt get MSE tho, if you do require expansion theres alot of better options that dont cuck you as hard.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Thanks .


Obviously if you have sa or something then perhapse you need it.

Size of palate is a good sign tbh, any idea how wide yours is?

This is a good video that explains it well:


Personally I wouldnt get MSE tho, if you do require expansion theres alot of better options that dont cuck you as hard.

Can I DM you for advice if palate expansion is worth it for me?

 

[Verse]

New oneitis

yeah bro JBs mog

 

[Nims]

Can I DM you for advice if palate expansion is worth it for me?

Sure

 

[Deleted member 18361]

 

[ChristianChad]

No zygo changes.

you're too old for zygo changes

 

[ChristianChad]

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this is in an 11 year old

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

literally no difference

It's called lightening

 

[BugeyeBigNoseCurry]

Why is this forum so obsessed with mse? You don't need it if you don't have a crossbite or crooked teeth

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Why is this forum so obsessed with mse? You don't need it if you don't have a crossbite or crooked teeth

I have both.

you're too old for zygo changes

I've seen other 31 year olds get zygo changes with MSE. Even one in my post.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

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Did you get any asymmetry?

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Did you get any asymmetry?

yes left side

 

[Deleted member 7725]

yes left side

how much total expansion?

 

[Deleted member 18361]

how much total expansion?

10

 

[Deleted member 18361]

if u do mse do aggressive expansion because it can lead to lateral orbital repositioning

 

[Perseus]

I'm planning on undergoing MSE since I need a wider palate anyways medically but also cosmetics. In theory, widening your zygos would lead to more lateral eversion giving you that striking chiseled look. But all the results I've seen have just turned people's cheekbones that were small but still defined, into bulky wide cheeks that lack any definition and look worse than the original. How does this make sense?

These are typical before/after with a wide definition-less face and severe asymmetry:

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Every result I've seen has ended up looking like shit with asymmetry. Even in motion they look terrible:





Why does this happen? Is there an disproportional expansion that occurs (lower maxilla widens much more than zygos) that removes the draping effect from the zygos? Would it be smarter to just skip MSE and get the palate expanded during bimax then alter the zygos after with ZSO or similar? Or do they just need wider jaws to match up with the wider zygos?

@varbrah @RealSurgerymax @tesseract

Bro no way the dude you put as "chad" is me! Thats absolutely crazy never thought this would happen. I personally think I look way better, by the way.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Bro no way the dude you put as "chad" is me! Thats absolutely crazy never thought this would happen. I personally think I look way better, by the way.

You had a leaner face and chiseled zygos and now look bloated af. Idk why you got it tbh.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

if u do mse do aggressive expansion because it can lead to lateral orbital repositioning

What is that?

 

[Deleted member 22126]

Aidan guy looks decent. Looked boneless before

 

[Perseus]

You had a leaner face and chiseled zygos and now look bloated af. Idk why you got it tbh.

Actually, that is false. The alteration of the composition of my facial dimensions caused by the MSE is indeed positive, for reasons I shall list below. Firstly, there was no loss in the definition of my zygotes, and neither was there a change in facial "leanness". In the first picture, it is evident that my masseters are more hypertrophied than the latter, for the reason that I adopted an intensive chewing regimen prior to getting the MSE, which I then had to halt because of the change in my bite caused my expansion. Secondly, it is a common mischaracterization to identify the indented nasiolabial folds in the first picture as "definition", for it is no such thing. Their elimination is beneficial as purported by the current status of the science. Thirdly, the difference in contour is primarily a product of the lighting difference in both images. I assure you with the utmost sincerity that my cheekbones are far more defined, and have a far more visible contour when faced with downward facing lighting.

I would love to go into this in depth, as I am a scientist myself (though not an orthodontist). The move I made was calculated, and the results were within the margin of error I was expecting.

I hold the position that the MSE is a superior modality of altering craniofacial composition, bar treatments such as MMA Surgery.

I can verify the statements made in this reply with noteworthy data.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

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Is this some trick of the light? If that's what his face actually looks like in the after image, that's brutal.

 

[randomvanish]

I can verify the statements made in this reply with noteworthy data.

please do.

 

[Deusmaximus]

You can clearly see that ronald ead has lip problems with speaking correctly. Think he deformed his face with all the expansion.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Actually, that is false. The alteration of the composition of my facial dimensions caused by the MSE is indeed positive, for reasons I shall list below. Firstly, there was no loss in the definition of my zygotes, and neither was there a change in facial "leanness". In the first picture, it is evident that my masseters are more hypertrophied than the latter, for the reason that I adopted an intensive chewing regimen prior to getting the MSE, which I then had to halt because of the change in my bite caused my expansion. Secondly, it is a common mischaracterization to identify the indented nasiolabial folds in the first picture as "definition", for it is no such thing. Their elimination is beneficial as purported by the current status of the science. Thirdly, the difference in contour is primarily a product of the lighting difference in both images. I assure you with the utmost sincerity that my cheekbones are far more defined, and have a far more visible contour when faced with downward facing lighting.

I would love to go into this in depth, as I am a scientist myself (though not an orthodontist). The move I made was calculated, and the results were within the margin of error I was expecting.

I hold the position that the MSE is a superior modality of altering craniofacial composition, bar treatments such as MMA Surgery.

I can verify the statements made in this reply with noteworthy data.

All that autism for nothing. Went from chiseled zygos to fem apple cheeks.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

All that autism for nothing. Went from chiseled zygos to fem apple cheeks.

Its a brutal world for mse cels

 

[Perseus]

All that autism for nothing. Went from chiseled zygos to fem apple cheeks.

It must be pretty difficult going through life as retarded as you