Why doesn't God mention his name in the Quran

[Gengar]

The free will vs destiny 1400 dillema is brutal for me.

I think people just mix up the two things. They are two completely different things.

Destiny is what God has written for you. He knows what will happen, which choices you will make.
Free will is what you choose for you. You don't know what kind of challenges will come your way and how you'll respond to them.

You can't change your destiny, but you can make choices in your life.

See it this way: Your destiny is to die. Your free will determines if you did well (made good choices) or if you did bad (made bad choices). Based on that, you will go to either heaven or hell. (In simple terms).

I don't see how it should pose as a dilemma, honestly. But it sounds to me you are thinking too much, overthinking stuff. When they are quite simple things to understand, really.

 

[WeiWei]

There is no God, nigger. Only science.

 

[TsarTsar444]

I wasn't saying you were using a lousy argument. I was saying "Why doesn't God use his own name? Hehe, checkmate, muzzies!" is a lame/lousy argument.

By the way, the Bible isn't on the same level as the Qur'an. You can't compare the two if that's what you're doing. The Bible was re-written by mankind so many times, it's practically the word of man instead of the word of God. I mean.. why would God speak of whores being obsessed with horse-dicks and mega cum volumes? LOL. Doesn't make sense.

Also, there are stories in the Qur'an where the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did narrate stories only the Jews knew. But that wasn't enough for people to revert to Islam. Some did revert, but most didn't. Because some people will always be kafirs, no matter what, even if you present them with the truth (which is what the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did). That is also talked about in the Qur'an.. "God leads whoever He wills."

It was not the duty of the prophets to make people revert to Islam. Therefore they never forced people to become Islamic. Instead, they spread the word of God, hoping the people would listen. Some did, most didn't. That's why nowadays there are 1.8 - 2 billion muzzies out of a population of 8 billion.

Feel free to correct me if I said something wrong. @emeraldglass Or just share your two cents.

Brah, the muslim prophets have Yahweh im their names so i dont get your Bibble argument here tbh ngl. Your first argument was the best choice for this.

And the Prophet knowing jewish stories isn't wierd at all, there were plenty of jews in all of the middle east. Yahweh is something that common jews dont have knowledge on and rabbies would never speak the name with words ever. So this is in fact the problem, do you think its a coincidence how the normal stuff which jews would speak about is in the Quran but the "esoteric" jewish topics aren't? Thats why i said its wierd

 

[Gengar]

Brah, the muslim prophets have Yahweh im their names so i dont get your Bibble argument here tbh ngl. Your first argument was the best choice for this.

And the Prophet knowing jewish stories isn't wierd at all, there were plenty of jews in all of the middle east. Yahweh is something that common jews dont have knowledge on and rabbies would never speak the name with words ever. So this is in fact the problem, do you think its a coincidence how the normal stuff which jews would speak about is in the Quran but the "esoteric" jewish topics aren't? Thats why i said its wierd

You are the one who indirectly brought up the Bible angle here. Why would you compare two completely different books? That is a flawed approach in and of itself. Unless I misunderstood what you said, in which case, forget about that.

And you're wrong. It goes to show there's a lot of misunderstanding on your part. I suggest getting into this religious talk when you are less confused, otherwise you'll keep getting confused. I say this because I have been there myself as well.

The prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) knowing stories of the Jews was VERY weird because he was a true illiterate in every sense of the word.

Not only could he not read or write, he also did not know of any religious stories at all. Along with his kind-hearted personality and bloodline made him the PERFECT candidate to be the final prophet.

I hope that helps.

 

[TsarTsar444]

I think people just mix up the two things. They are two completely different things.

Destiny is what God has written for you. He knows what will happen, which choices you will make.
Free will is what you choose for you. You don't know what kind of challenges will come your way and how you'll respond to them.

You can't change your destiny, but you can make choices in your life.

See it this way: Your destiny is to die. Your free will determines if you did well (made good choices) or if you did bad (made bad choices). Based on that, you will go to either heaven or hell. (In simple terms).

I don't see how it should pose as a dilemma, honestly. But it sounds to me you are thinking too much, overthinking stuff. When they are quite simple things to understand, really.

Don't see this as insult bhai its good mannered, but its very funny for me and arrogant looking when muslims would argue about the predeterminism dilemma with "oh its simple" and discover it in 2 sentences. Meanwhile in Baghdad during the Caliphate days, the scholars and philosophers would debate and work out for years to find the solution to this dillema.
And you know why this is? Because what you wrote about destiny isn't correct, JFL if it was that easy. There are multiple verses of the Quran which say how God directly effects stuff, very famous verses are ones like hardening heart of non believer so he could never become Muslim. The schoolars i mentioned from reading how they made amends to this problem is mindblowing high iq in 170 range tbh ngl, and they still wouldn't find a solution

 

[Gengar]

Don't see this as insult bhai its good mannered, but its very funny for me and arrogant looking when muslims would argue about the predeterminism dilemma with "oh its simple" and discover it in 2 sentences. Meanwhile in Baghdad during the Caliphate days, the scholars and philosophers would debate and work out for years to find the solution to this dillema.
And you know why this is? Because what you wrote about destiny isn't correct, JFL if it was that easy. There are multiple verses of the Quran which say how God directly effects stuff, very famous verses are ones like hardening heart of non believer so he could never become Muslim. The schoolars i mentioned from reading how they made amends to this problem is mindblowing high iq in 170 range tbh ngl, and they still wouldn't find a solution

I get what you are saying but we are not the men of the past, living in the golden age of Islam. That has passed! Besides, look around you. We are here, a bunch of nobodies (no offense, just in the grand scheme of things, we will be forgotten some time after we pass), talking over at .org.

And all stories in the Qur'an are written in their own context, that's why you should not cherry-pick verses like anti-Islam people do (and muzzies themselves to prove their point in a certain belief, as to why masturbating is not permissible for instance, JFL).

Therefore, it is a classic mistake to assume what is detailed in the Qur'an would happen to you, when it's specific to each prophet. Like, you won't be able to see God just because you asked to see him. Get my point?

Destiny is not something you can change. I think you will clear many misconceptions and misunderstandings by reading the Qur'an in your native language. I did this and it helped me a lot. So I suggest you do it too.

 

[Aladin]

Everyone sins. The Qur'an also states that mankind is faulty and therefore prone to sins. "B-b-but why would God punish us for it then?!" Well, you get to make a choice whether or not you sin or not. No one sins against their will. Furthermore, if you repent, there is a chance you will be forgiven, so not all hope is lost. However, many misguided muzzies think once they repent, they are 100% forgiven, when that knowledge is only with God, so by saying "I have already been forgiven because I repented" it means they are pretending to know the hidden knowledge that only God possesses, which in and of itself is a form of shirk. JFL at how retarded muzzies can be.

Shirk?

 

[Aladin]

Which of the 100000 different sects of christ.

Baptist is good. But the Bible never specifies that being saved requires a specific denomination that’s something Catholics and Orthodoxy later added, Protestants stick to the Bible.

 

[Gengar]

Shirk?

The biggest sin in Islam. All sins can be forgiven except for this one (if you die).

From Wikipedia:

"Shirk (Arabic: شرك širk) in Islam is the sin of idolatry or polytheism (i.e., the deification or worship of anyone or anything besides God).[1][2] Islam teaches that God does not share his divine attributes with anyone."

The hidden knowledge is a divine attribute, for God knows and we do not. Therefore it falls under shirk.

 

[emeraldglass]

From alot of attacks on the Quran which christians and atheists make, this is maybe in my top 5 where I can't act the contrarian role with a convincing argument at all.

To not overcomplicate much, the gist of this flaw is how the Quran are direct words of God, in which he extensively referrs to himself all the time and every single passage is God talking. And in not one of them he mentions his name (YAHWEH). To understand why the problem arises is that God says his name numerous time all over the OT whenever he speaks directly to the believers.

My best contrarian response possible would be: "there is no rule saying that God had to say his name, this doesn't somehow invalidate the Quran whatsoever".

There come some pretty bad flaws with this lazy argument of mine though, and its the name of multiple prophets in the Quran. No need to start naming them, but in a nutshell the etymology of their names is directly dependent from gods name YAHWEH and they are mentioned dozens of time in the Quran. Second problem is how Allah has 99 names that he refers to himself multiple times in the Quran, but strangely not his primal name and from where half the prophets got their name from. And the third problem is how this could be used to hurt Qurans credibility if you learn the most likely secular theological reason of why he doesn't say his name. The jews by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century have long stopped ever using YAHWEH when they would talk or pray to God, this came about a change in rabbinic tradition and culture where it was associated as fearful and strongly disrespectful to call the Most High by his direct name, so the only time they would think of his name was when reading the Torah in their heads. This secular theory would indicate how the author of the Quran wasn't aware of YAHWEH as THE name of God because there was nobody to hear it from.

You've presented several flaws in your reasoning. To begin with, you're approaching this from a Judeo-Christian perspective, assuming that YAHWEH is the real name of God. However, in Islam, this is not the case. It's not fair to evaluate one religion based on the beliefs of another and then conclude that Islam is incorrect. To illustrate, I could employ a similar argument by asking why Prophet X isn't described in great detail in a different religious text, but this would be an empty argument.

Secondly, you seem to imply that God requires a name, akin to humans. However, God is transcendent and far beyond the need for a name like we do. It wouldn't be fitting for Him. In Islamic tradition, we refer to God based on how He has identified Himself in the Quran. These references are not exactly names. They are more like titles reflecting His attributes, such as The Most Forgiving, The Creator, The Sole One, and The Incomparable.

Some may argue that Allah is a name, but it's not, it literally means 'The God.' God doesn't require a name like we do, He exists beyond such a need. In the Quran, Allah is often referred to as the Lord of the Worlds. Unlike the biblical Yahweh, He does not possess a personal name, and His traditional 99 names are essentially descriptors or epithets.


@TRUE_CEL

 

[Saggitarian]

No one knows the name of "God" or "Allah" or whatever. Because if you did, he would be at your command. So this is not worth arguing or fretting about.

 

[Aladin]

All sins can be forgiven except for this one (if you die).

im confused, how do other sins get forgiven after u die?

 

[Deleted member 31562]

@TsarTsar444 maybe you should sober up first with an open mind and then try to seek knowledge

 

[robtical]

Because quran is written 150 years after muhammad's death.

 

[Gengar]

im confused, how do other sins get forgiven after u die?

You misunderstood what I said. You could be forgiven for any sin, except for shirk. For instance, when you were alive and you repented for committing a sin and never committed it again, you could be forgiven for it. However, if you committed shirk in your lifetime and you die after that, without repenting, you’d never be forgiven for that.

 

[Gengar]

You've presented several flaws in your reasoning. To begin with, you're approaching this from a Judeo-Christian perspective, assuming that YAHWEH is the real name of God. However, in Islam, this is not the case. It's not fair to evaluate one religion based on the beliefs of another and then conclude that Islam is incorrect. To illustrate, I could employ a similar argument by asking why Prophet X isn't described in great detail in a different religious text, but this would be an empty argument.

Secondly, you seem to imply that God requires a name, akin to humans. However, God is transcendent and far beyond the need for a name like we do. It wouldn't be fitting for Him. In Islamic tradition, we refer to God based on how He has identified Himself in the Quran. These references are not exactly names. They are more like titles reflecting His attributes, such as The Most Forgiving, The Creator, The Sole One, and The Incomparable.

Some may argue that Allah is a name, but it's not, it literally means 'The God.' God doesn't require a name like we do, He exists beyond such a need. In the Quran, Allah is often referred to as the Lord of the Worlds. Unlike the biblical Yahweh, He does not possess a personal name, and His traditional 99 names are essentially descriptors or epithets.


@TRUE_CEL

Great write-up, bhai! Same thoughts, basically.

 

[Aladin]

You misunderstood what I said. You could be forgiven for any sin, except for shirk. For instance, when you were alive and you repented for committing a sin and never committed it again, you could be forgiven for it. However, if you committed shirk in your lifetime and you die after that, without repenting, you’d never be forgiven for that.

can shirk be repented of?

 

[Gengar]

can shirk be repented of?

While you’re alive, yes. After you’re in your grave, you’re doomed. However this is after the knowledge of God’s existence has come to you. People in the Amazon rainforests won’t be going to hell because there is no justice in that. Instead - and what is most logical - they’ll go to heaven or hell based on their good or bad deeds.

 

[Aladin]

While you’re alive, yes. After you’re in your grave, you’re doomed. However this is after the knowledge of God’s existence has come to you. People in the Amazon rainforests won’t be going to hell because there is no justice in that. Instead - and what is most logical - they’ll go to heaven or hell based on their good or bad deeds.

Gotcha, makes sense.

 

[Gengar]

Gotcha, makes sense.

Mirin low inhib user title.

 

[Aladin]

Mirin low inhib user title.

Thanks jfl

 

[Gengar]

Thanks jfl

No problem inhibition chad.

 

[Aladin]

No problem inhibition chad.

In my signature is the thread explaining the logic behind it if ur curious.

 

[OGJBSLAYER]

I wasn't saying you were using a lousy argument. I was saying "Why doesn't God use his own name? Hehe, checkmate, muzzies!" is a lame/lousy argument.

By the way, the Bible isn't on the same level as the Qur'an. You can't compare the two if that's what you're doing. The Bible was re-written by mankind so many times, it's practically the word of man instead of the word of God. I mean.. why would God speak of whores being obsessed with horse-dicks and mega cum volumes? LOL. Doesn't make sense.

Also, there are stories in the Qur'an where the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did narrate stories only the Jews knew. But that wasn't enough for people to revert to Islam. Some did revert, but most didn't. Because some people will always be kafirs, no matter what, even if you present them with the truth (which is what the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did). That is also talked about in the Qur'an.. "God leads whoever He wills."

It was not the duty of the prophets to make people revert to Islam. Therefore they never forced people to become Islamic. Instead, they spread the word of God, hoping the people would listen. Some did, most didn't. That's why nowadays there are 1.8 - 2 billion muzzies out of a population of 8 billion.

Feel free to correct me if I said something wrong. @emeraldglass Or just share your two cents.

"Indeed, the righteous will have salvation—Gardens, vineyards, and full-bosomed maidens of equal age"
Quran 78 : 31-33

 

[SecularIslamist]

@TsarTsar444 off topic but what do you think about ijtihad and modern uses of it?

 

[Gengar]

"Indeed, the righteous will have salvation—Gardens, vineyards, and full-bosomed maidens of equal age"
Quran 78 : 31-33
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Remember, without Islam you’re just a pajeet.

 

[Deleted member 32760]

From alot of attacks on the Quran which christians and atheists make, this is maybe in my top 5 where I can't act the contrarian role with a convincing argument at all.

To not overcomplicate much, the gist of this flaw is how the Quran are direct words of God, in which he extensively referrs to himself all the time and every single passage is God talking. And in not one of them he mentions his name (YAHWEH). To understand why the problem arises is that God says his name numerous time all over the OT whenever he speaks directly to the believers.

My best contrarian response possible would be: "there is no rule saying that God had to say his name, this doesn't somehow invalidate the Quran whatsoever".

There come some pretty bad flaws with this lazy argument of mine though, and its the name of multiple prophets in the Quran. No need to start naming them, but in a nutshell the etymology of their names is directly dependent from gods name YAHWEH and they are mentioned dozens of time in the Quran. Second problem is how Allah has 99 names that he refers to himself multiple times in the Quran, but strangely not his primal name and from where half the prophets got their name from. And the third problem is how this could be used to hurt Qurans credibility if you learn the most likely secular theological reason of why he doesn't say his name. The jews by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century have long stopped ever using YAHWEH when they would talk or pray to God, this came about a change in rabbinic tradition and culture where it was associated as fearful and strongly disrespectful to call the Most High by his direct name, so the only time they would think of his name was when reading the Torah in their heads. This secular theory would indicate how the author of the Quran wasn't aware of YAHWEH as THE name of God because there was nobody to hear it from.

Nigga, God's Name is Allah. You Gook.

 

[Deleted member 25534]

Tbh the closest religion to god is islam (shia)

- wrotten by persians , so they didnt remove poletheism just merged it with The One (names of allah)
- admits jins exist (subconsious)
- knows that the next step to evolution/ubermensch is the hermaphrodit male (masks foids)

 

[Greycel Slayer]

From alot of attacks on the Quran which christians and atheists make, this is maybe in my top 5 where I can't act the contrarian role with a convincing argument at all.

To not overcomplicate much, the gist of this flaw is how the Quran are direct words of God, in which he extensively referrs to himself all the time and every single passage is God talking. And in not one of them he mentions his name (YAHWEH). To understand why the problem arises is that God says his name numerous time all over the OT whenever he speaks directly to the believers.

My best contrarian response possible would be: "there is no rule saying that God had to say his name, this doesn't somehow invalidate the Quran whatsoever".

There come some pretty bad flaws with this lazy argument of mine though, and its the name of multiple prophets in the Quran. No need to start naming them, but in a nutshell the etymology of their names is directly dependent from gods name YAHWEH and they are mentioned dozens of time in the Quran. Second problem is how Allah has 99 names that he refers to himself multiple times in the Quran, but strangely not his primal name and from where half the prophets got their name from. And the third problem is how this could be used to hurt Qurans credibility if you learn the most likely secular theological reason of why he doesn't say his name. The jews by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century have long stopped ever using YAHWEH when they would talk or pray to God, this came about a change in rabbinic tradition and culture where it was associated as fearful and strongly disrespectful to call the Most High by his direct name, so the only time they would think of his name was when reading the Torah in their heads. This secular theory would indicate how the author of the Quran wasn't aware of YAHWEH as THE name of God because there was nobody to hear it from.

Because God never said his name was Yahweh. YHWH is the representation of the Hebrew characters into English. That’s why it is all capitalized. Therefore, this is not God’s name; it is an assumption to claim that it is Yahweh just because this is how it sounds when you pronounce the four letters YHWH in English. The word “Allah” is very similar to the name Elohim, which means god in Hebrew.

 

[Greycel Slayer]

And you must keep in mind who His audience were. The Quran was revealed to Arabs and so it does not make sense to use a name that’s foreign. Why should the Quran use YHWH as name for God when it is obvious that God does not have one name. On the other hand, the Quran has Horoof Muqataat which none of the other scriptures have, if you wanted there mystery in Quran. Can they possibly be additional real names of God? Possibly. We’ll never know for sure.

Additionally, the name not being mentioned does not invalidate Quran as the Bible mentions: "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself fully known to them." EXODUS 6:3
(I believe OP has enough knowledge on Jewish culture and translation practices to know that the “LORD” is referring to the name YHWH)

God only introduced himself as YHWH to Moses and never before. Does this mean that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the prophets before them are not legitimate? Anyone who claims so is foolish.