Why dont afghan cucks stay in Afghanistan

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I wish that was the case
But would i live under islamic extremism ? No, so so i would flee.

What is christian rulership to you? Define it

 

[goat2x]

What is christian rulership to you? Define it

Living according to the bible

 

[TsarTsar444]

Lmao? Yugoslavia was literally the only time in modern history were the balkans were of any significant note of worth. Sure they weren't totally "communist" or "socialist" but look at what modern day free western capitalism has brought you. You people are nothing more than basically colonies of western europe at this point.

Thats because of the Ottomans again, Yugoslavia was good, but it wasn't really communist, it war market socialist and promoted civic nationalism. The Balkans is how it is because of the Ottomans, and there are tons of reasons why. The Ottomans force mixed different ethnicities together, divided people by religion, migrated one ethnicity into anothers territory and vise versa, and the most important part they cut of the Balkans from the Renaissance and Enlightenment, didn't built any industry, economy, depopulated the place from wars and famines etc.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

with the migrant crisis its usually years (i mean like 7) to get your greencard accepted

and they usually fail, one of the new murders in france had the same thing happened to him, he was about to be exported but they told him that he can stay till the country stablizes

Everyone, regardless of stance know It’s a very fucked up situation. You can have your opinion on refugees, that’s fine

 

[goat2x]

Thats because of the Ottomans again, Yugoslavia was good, but it wasn't really communist, it war market socialist and promoted civic nationalism. The Balkans is how it is because of the Ottomans, and there are tons of reasons why. The Ottomans force mixed different ethnicities together, divided people by religion, migrated one ethnicity into anothers territory and vise versa, and the most important part they cut of the Balkans from the Renaissance and Enlightenment, didn't built any industry, economy, depopulated the place from wars and famines etc.

inb4 sayheyhey creates an alt just to deny this FACT

 

[Deleted member 6273]

@ThatDjangoWalk @TsarTsar444 can women actually be Imams or is it an exclusively male role like a catholic Priest, they tried to legitimize it here but most Imams and the chief Kadhi were strongly opposed so it didn't happen

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Living according to the bible

So you support stoning of adulterers, homosexuals, women wearing a veil, etc? Or you are one of those liberal christians who believe that Jesus (alayhi a salam) destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah but he will comeback singing the US anthem and having a pride flag? (Don't get me wrong, so called liberal muslims are similar)

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

@ThatDjangoWalk @TsarTsar444 can women actually be Imams or is it an exclusively male role like a catholic Priest, they tried to legitimize it here but most Imams and the chief Kadhi were strongly opposed so it didn't happen

No, Imam is a man always, he is a leader.

 

[goat2x]

Everyone, regardless of stance know It’s a very fucked up situation. You can have your opinion on refugees, that’s fine

im against refugees so i wish the country would stabilize and in general its not good

 

[Baldingman1998]

Would you live under Christian extremists? No sex before marriage and social media banned?

Christian extremist= turn the other cheek and show everyone love and peace

Muslim extremist= behead apostates(not based since apostates are high iq), fags(based), trangenders (based),faggots(based),queers(based) , lesbians (based), kill anyone who is not muslim if they have arrogance or if they don't respect your religion, God, or prophet,(which they might not even believe in). Force all non Muslims to convert or die or pay jizya. Force everyone else to live according to Sharia which not everyone believes is from God or is the best law. I think some of it is based but some things make no sense as well. Many things are illogical and stupid.

 

[TsarTsar444]

@ThatDjangoWalk @TsarTsar444 can women actually be Imams or is it an exclusively male role like a catholic Priest, they tried to legitimize it here but most Imams and the chief Kadhi were strongly opposed so it didn't happen

No they can't, 100%%%

 

[goat2x]

So you support stoning of adulterers, homosexuals, women wearing a veil, etc? Or you are one of those liberal christians who believe that Jesus (alayhi a salam) destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah but he will comeback singing the US anthem and having a pride flag? (Don't get me wrong, so called liberal muslims are similar)

I mean what u said is not neceserrary true, for example christians its enough to wear a headscarf like women used to in europe 100 years ago etc
but ye, those who commit homosexuality commit an abomination.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

Christian extremist= turn the other cheek and show everyone love and peace

Muslim extremist= behead apostates(not based since apostates are high iq), fags(based), trangenders (based),faggots(based),queers(based) , lesbians (based), kill anyone who is not muslim if they have arrogance or if they don't respect your religion, God, or prophet,(which they might not even believe in). Force all non Muslims to convert or die or pay jizya. Force everyone else to live according to Sharia which not everyone believes is from God or is the best law. I think some of it is based but some things make no sense as well. Many things are illogical and stupid.

If you want to see real Christian extremists look in history. The mass forced conversions of natives, burning of Protestants by Catholics, witch hunts and other fucked up shit

Let’s just agree that a lot of people have done some messed up stuff under the name of religion, including Christianity and Islam

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

Everyone, regardless of stance know It’s a very fucked up situation. You can have your opinion on refugees, that’s fine

not breeding would solve the problem

 

[Baldingman1998]

No they can't, 100%%%

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

not breeding would solve the problem

I think it would be better if they stay temporarily

 

[goat2x]

not breeding would solve the problem

statisctically speaking the new muslim population growth is predicted 99% from already from muslim countries

so if they dont flee then dont care honestly

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Christian extremist= turn the other cheek and show everyone love and peace

Yeah, better read the Bible, read about chtistian history and then say to me that haha

Muslim extremist= behead apostates(not based since apostates are high iq), fags(based), trangenders (based),faggots(based),queers(based) , lesbians (based), kill anyone who is not muslim

Not true, if he is jew or christian he can live with his own law and not islamic law in his territory (some scholars said that evven if they legalize homosexuality, you would have to allow them since it is their law)

if they have arrogance or if they don't respect your religion, God, or prophet,(which they might not even believe in). Force all non Muslims to convert or die or pay jizya.

This jyzia thing is not true,
Muslims have to pay 2.5% of their savings to the state every year, this is called Zakat and it is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and an obligatory tax.

Non Muslims like christians or jews have to pay a tax called Jyzia, which is also a mandatory tax and it is significantly inferior to that of the muslims.

If a Muslim had 1million$ in his account, he would have to pay 25.000 $

If a Non Muslim had 1million$ in his account, he would have to pay 800$. No one islamically speaking can ask the Non Muslim to pay more, and if someone does then the state must provide for him a court to hear his complains and act legally if he is asked to give extra money, and this has happened and has been applied many times during Islamic history.

Force everyone else to live according to Sharia which not everyone believes is from God or is the best law

Again, same as i told you

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I mean what u said is not neceserrary true, for example christians its enough to wear a headscarf like women used to in europe 100 years ago etc
but ye, those who commit homosexuality commit an abomination.

We share more similarities than anything to be honest. Under Islamic law christians if they pay the jyzia (which is much lower than what muslims pay, unless the ruler is a tyrant) they can live by christian law in their land.

About the veil i think it is obligatory on church for women, and i would have to mmake a bigger research.

 

[Baldingman1998]

If you want to see real Christian extremists look in history. The mass forced conversions of natives, burning of Protestants by Catholics, witch hunts and other fucked up shit

Let’s just agree that a lot of people have done some messed up stuff under the name of religion, including Christianity and Islam

No. Because Muslims are doing this today. Christians did alot of masscares yes. But that happened a thousand years ago during the crusades and such war. While islam teaches to to kill. That's why till this day and from 2000 years ago many suffer because of it.

Look at terrorist attacks for example in france USA and all around the world. If someone criticised Allah or his prophet then people always die. Christians individually can be bad people and kill but it's not as common at all. When was the last time you heard someone killing in the name of Jesus or anything. I'm just being honest since I'm not religious.

If you want to say USA or whatever. I agree what they are doing is wrong. But they aren't motivated by christianity. They are motivated by money and their jewish masters that have them by the balls.

 

[lutte]

Lmao? Yugoslavia was literally the only time in modern history were the balkans were of any significant note of worth. Sure they weren't totally "communist" or "socialist" but look at what modern day free western capitalism has brought you. You people are nothing more than basically colonies of western europe at this point.

that's good in his mind

 

[goat2x]

We share more similarities than anything to be honest. Under Islamic law christians if they pay the jyzia (which is much lower than what muslims pay, unless the ruler is a tyrant) they can live by christian law in their land.

About the veil i think it is obligatory on church for women, and i would have to mmake a bigger research.

i think we differ in some aspects which are crucial differences to me,

for example when the ottomans stepped on christian lands they basically said fuck all to all the things you said, same w the caliphate (let alone that they like to get sex slaves from foreign women, a thing which isnt acceptable in christianity)

 

[goat2x]

No. Because Muslims are doing this today. Christians did alot of masscares yes. But that happened a thousand years ago during the crusades and such war. While islam teaches to to kill. That's why till this day and from 2000 years ago many suffer because of it.

Look at terrorist attacks for example in france USA and all around the world. If someone criticised Allah or his prophet then people always die. I haven't seen Christians individually can be bad people and kill but it's not as common at all. When was the last time you heard someone killing in the name of Jesus or anything. I'm just being honest since I'm not religious.

If you want to say USA or whatever. I agree what they are doing is wrong. But they aren't motivated by christianity. They are motivated by money and their jewish masters that have them by the balls.

tbh natives werent killed cuz the name of jesus they were killed cuz of war

and many ppl dont know that the very majority of the native population died out because of diseases what eu people brought there

there wasnt a genocide.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

No. Because Muslims are doing this today. Christians did alot of masscares yes. But that happened a thousand years ago during the crusades and such war. While islam teaches to to kill

Man, i think you are mixing christianity with so called christians. Is like saying that a football player defines what a foot ball is

Look at terrorist attacks for example in france USA and all around the world. If someone criticised Allah or his prophet then people always die. I haven't seen Christians individually can be bad people and kill but it's not as common at all. When was the last time you heard someone killing in the name of Jesus or anything. I'm just being honest since I'm not religious.

Same as i told you

If you want to say USA or whatever. I agree what they are doing is wrong. But they aren't motivated by christianity. They are motivated by money and their jewish masters that have them by the balls.

100%, christianity was stripped from the power a long time ago, french revolution started that.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Yeah, better read the Bible, read about chtistian history and then say to me that haha

Not true, if he is jew or christian he can live with his own law and not islamic law in his territory (some scholars said that evven if they legalize homosexuality, you would have to allow them since it is their law)

This jyzia thing is not true,
Muslims have to pay 2.5% of their savings to the state every year, this is called Zakat and it is one of the 5 pillars of Islam and an obligatory tax.

Non Muslims like christians or jews have to pay a tax called Jyzia, which is also a mandatory tax and it is significantly inferior to that of the muslims.

If a Muslim had 1million$ in his account, he would have to pay 25.000 $

If a Non Muslim had 1million$ in his account, he would have to pay 800$. No one islamically speaking can ask the Non Muslim to pay more, and if someone does then the state must provide for him a court to hear his complains and act legally if he is asked to give extra money, and this has happened and has been applied many times during Islamic history.


Again, same as i told you

"Not true, if he is jew or christian he can live with his own law and not islamic law in his territory (some scholars said that evven if they legalize homosexuality, you would have to allow them since it is their law)"



Big cap.

Look at saudi arabia you can't enter the country without a European or american passport if you aren't muslim. Or afghanistan right now.
Even if some societies are accepting of others they will see people of other religion as second class citizen"kuffar". Maybe you don't see it that way but that's just the way it is in real life where people are highly religious and highly sectarian/tribal.

 

[Baldingman1998]

statisctically speaking the new muslim population growth is predicted 99% from already from muslim countries

so if they dont flee then dont care honestly

I think islam will rule the world in like 100-200 years and stay there until humans evolve more and cure aging and then all religion will be abolished. Or maybe all people will wake up before that

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

i think we differ in some aspects which are crucial differences to me,

Yes of course, trinity, status of Jesus (alayhi a salam), prophethood of Muhammad (alayhi a salat wa salam)

for example when the ottomans stepped on christian lands they basically said fuck all to all the things you said, same w the caliphate (let alone that they like to get sex slaves from foreign women, a thing which isnt acceptable in christianity)

Christianity does allow that, read the book of numbers and even the NT. In Islam you can have only sex with a slave if she gives her consent, this is well established.

In islam of you hit a slave you have to free him, in christianity you have the right to hit him. I think you shouldn't mix what people does with what scripture says, otherwise we are going to end up both of us lost and it's just mixing terms unecessarily.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

"Not true, if he is jew or christian he can live with his own law and not islamic law in his territory (some scholars said that evven if they legalize homosexuality, you would have to allow them since it is their law)"



Big cap.

Look at saudi arabia you can't enter the country without a European or american passport if you aren't muslim. Or afghanistan right now.
Even if some societies are accepting of others they will see people of other religion as second class citizen"kuffar". Maybe you don't see it that way but that's just the way it is in real life where people are highly religious and highly sectarian/tribal.

Again man, what did i tell you? (with all due respect by the way)

Don't mix up terms, if we take the actions of people and say "This is Islam" the that is wrong, Islam is the Qur'an and the Authentic narrations, if we take the actions of people we can't then define any ideology, if we did that the dancing with snakes in the desert would be Islam or singing the US anthem would be evangelism

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I think islam will rule the world in like 100-200 years and stay there until humans evolve more and cure aging and then all religion will be abolished. Or maybe all people will wake up before that

First, i wish Islam ruled the world.

Second, i don't know why you say that haha, i would bet my life that it won't and that our societies will only secularize more, perhaps some country might survive

 

[goat2x]

Yes of course, trinity, status of Jesus (alayhi a salam), prophethood of Muhammad (alayhi a salat wa salam)

Christianity does allow that, read the book of numbers and even the NT. In Islam you can have only sex with a slave if she gives her consent, this is well established.

In islam of you hit a slave you have to free him, in christianity you have the right to hit him. I think you shouldn't mix what people does with what scripture says, otherwise we are going to end up both of us lost and it's just mixing terms unecessarily.

1, not just that

2, christianity doesnt allow sex slavery, and no from war caught female sex slave you dont have to have consent at all lol

in islam slavery is everyday thing, in christianity its not.

im not sure what the scripture says except that islam will conquer one day over all christian dogs etc lol

 

[Baldingman1998]

Again man, what did i tell you? (with all due respect by the way)

Don't mix up terms, if we take the actions of people and say "This is Islam" the that is wrong, Islam is the Qur'an and the Authentic narrations, if we take the actions of people we can't then define any ideology, if we did that the dancing with snakes in the desert would be Islam or singing the US anthem would be evangelism

I don't know but in my opinion the people should uphold the religion and be an example of it. I know that's not always the case but generalizations/ stereotypes exist for a reason. It's not always right or fair but that's just the way it is and not all people are the same obviously. Every person is different. But many can have a similar mindset

 

[Baldingman1998]

First, i wish Islam ruled the world.

Second, i don't know why you say that haha, i would bet my life that it won't and that our societies will only secularize more, perhaps some country might survive

If the world keeps becoming more and more degenerate then I think all religions will decline. But Muslims are the most religious so I think they will stay the longest.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

1, not just that

Of course, we are different

2, christianity doesnt allow sex slavery, and no from war caught female sex slave you dont have to have consent at all lol

Look man, with all due respect (i'm saying it sincerely by the way, no beef) pick up a Bible and read it from cover to cover. I think you will learn a lot more than what you know right now. Look at Numbers 31:17-18 for example. To be honest, the best you can do os read it from cover to cover.

in islam slavery is everyday thing, in christianity its not.

The other day i made a comparison between both, i will tell you the same, i think you will be surprised.

im not sure what the scripture says except that islam will conquer one day over all christian dogs etc lol

Not true, it must be some fake narration or something, perhaps some random tafsir of some random scholar because otherwise i would have remembered it. There are definetly verses and hadiths of war, against other religions especially polytheists, etc and things that would not be liked by today's society in the west, but exactly the same with the Bible.

 

[Baldingman1998]

1, not just that

2, christianity doesnt allow sex slavery, and no from war caught female sex slave you dont have to have consent at all lol

in islam slavery is everyday thing, in christianity its not.

im not sure what the scripture says except that islam will conquer one day over all christian dogs etc lol

Pretty sure in islam basically islam is the best religion. Then the abrahamic religions like christianity/judaism (according to islam they were corrupted but had originally the right message). Then at the bottom are polytheists like hinduism, idol worshippers, animal worshippers etc etc and atheists or non believers. And worst of all are apostates.

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

Look at Numbers 31:17-18 for example. To be honest, the best you can do os read it from cover to cover.

In verse 31:17, Moses instructs the soldiers to kill every male child and every woman who is not a virgin. They can keep the virgin women as sex slaves (Numbers 31:18).

 

[Looks234]

Pretty sure in islam basically islam is the best religion. Then the abrahamic religions like christianity/judaism (according to islam they were corrupted but had originally the right message). Then at the bottom are polytheists like hinduism, idol worshippers, animal worshippers etc etc and atheists or non believers. And worst of all are apostates.

How is Islam different from Judaism. Christianity is the only abrahamic religion that has a savior.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I don't know but in my opinion the people should uphold the religion and be an exauof it. I know that's not always the case but generalizations/ stereotypes exist for a reason. It's not always right or fair but that's just the way it is and not all people are the same obviously. Every person is different. But many can have a similar mindset

Look, opinions are like mouths, everyone has one.

I don't agree with the stereotype thing, for example this arabs having sex with animals stereotype when in Islam is death sentence, or women not having education like the Taliban did when in the past we had women scholars, etc

But i would agree some hold water, it is just that things are not always white and black, but grey.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

In verse 31:17, Moses instructs the soldiers to kill every male child and every woman who is not a virgin. They can keep the virgin women as sex slaves (Numbers 31:18).

Slavery in the Bible is much bigger than in the Qur'an, that's why i told Goat to take a look to the book. I was making research about this the last months.

 

[goat2x]

Of course, we are different

Look man, with all due respect (i'm saying it sincerely by the way, no beef) pick up a Bible and read it from cover to cover. I think you will learn a lot more than what you know right now. Look at Numbers 31:17-18 for example. To be honest, the best you can do os read it from cover to cover.

The other day i made a comparison between both, i will tell you the same, i think you will be surprised.

Not true, it must be some fake narration or something, perhaps some random tafsir of some random scholar because otherwise i would have remembered it. There are definetly verses and hadiths of war, against other religions especially polytheists, etc and things that would not be liked by today's society in the west, but exactly the same with the Bible.

i mean listen i will reply to the points you addressed

you mention the jyzia like its just a little tax or whatever, no its literally a sign of submission according to the quran

you pay that to subdue over your islamic leadership,

""Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.""

there are also historic events where muslims took the wives of others are jizya

"The honor of Islam lies in insulting the unbelief and the unbelievers (kafirs). One who respects kafirs dishonors Muslims... The real purpose of levying the Jizya on them is to humiliate them... [and] they remain terrified and trembling"

 

[Baldingman1998]

How is Islam different from Judaism. Christianity is the only abrahamic religion that has a savior.

What do you mean exactly? That a religion needs a savior to be legit? Most religions see God as your savior which is Jesus in christianity or the Father. And in other religions it's just God or God's.

 

[goat2x]

Slavery in the Bible is much bigger than in the Qur'an, that's why i told Goat to take a look to the book. I was making research about this the last months.

thats a complete mistranslation with completely taking it out of context, your research was biased.

 

[Marsiere214]

I usually respect curries honestly but fucking hell you sound like the biggest piece of shit. If you self hate curries fine, but don’t bring that shit on us. Were not self hating med wannabes like you

Those fleeing don’t want to live under opressive regimes. The Taliban are not Islamic at all. They butcher, maim, rape, loot and execute innocent people

Isnt that what islam stands for anyway

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

i mean listen i will reply to the points you addressed

you mention the jyzia like its just a little tax or whatever, no its literally a sign of submission according to the quran

No, is not a little tax. It is the tax of non muslims, and it is much lower than that if the muslims. A muslim land is based on religion, not on nationlism, so it's normal to make laws based on religion.

Is like in some EU countries in which foreigners from other EU lands pay different taxes if they work there just based on their nation, in this case Islam is based on religion and not nationality.

you pay that to subdue over your islamic leadership,

""Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.""

This is 9:29
The verse 9: 29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to an aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s (alayhi a salat wa salam) ambassadors.

Ibn Al-Qayyim writes: 'The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition.'
Source: Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336

This was the first act of Roman aggression that further led to the expedition of Tabuk concerning which the verse 9: 29 was revealed. The verse describes the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God.

there are also historic events where muslims took the wives of others are jizya

Historically? Maybe, on the other hand in scripture that is impossible, jyzia is just money

"The honor of Islam lies in insulting the unbelief and the unbelievers (kafirs). One who respects kafirs dishonors Muslims... The real purpose of levying the Jizya on them is to humiliate them... [and] they remain terrified and trembling"

Give me the reference for this. This sounds like a random opinion of some random scholar like Ibn Kathir or Al Qurtubi, while ommitting the thousands of others.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

thats a complete mistranslation with completely taking it out of context, your research was biased.

It is not man, it is from the bible, look at this place, it contains the majority of christian accepted translations. I even have 2 different bibles in home, and this is a verse that even christian scholars accept.

Numbers 31:17 - Vengeance on Midian

So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man,

biblehub.com

 

[goat2x]

No, is not a little tax. It is the tax of non muslims, and it is much lower than that if the muslims. A muslim land is based on religion, not on nationlism, so it's normal to make laws based on religion.

Is like in some EU countries in which foreigners from other EU lands pay different taxes if they work there just based on their nation, in this case Islam is based on religion and not nationality.

This is 9:29
The verse 9: 29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to an aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s (alayhi a salat wa salam) ambassadors.

Ibn Al-Qayyim writes: 'The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition.'
Source: Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336

This was the first act of Roman aggression that further led to the expedition of Tabuk concerning which the verse 9: 29 was revealed. The verse describes the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God.

Historically? Maybe, on the other hand in scripture that is impossible, jyzia is just money

Give me the reference for this. This sounds like a random opinion of some random scholar like Ibn Kathir or Al Qurtubi, while ommitting the thousands of others.

1, i mean you completely ignored the submission part but okay

and no if you are an eu citizen you will have to pay the same taxes.

2, yes it might have written just because of this war that the muslims started but still its still appliable that others are dogs etc so i dont even know why you bother with the historical context, its still appliable lol

3,send me all the scripture on jyzia

4, its from one of the jihadi groups that take islam serious, these arent minority ppl man, most ppl think like that why do you think that it

 

[goat2x]

It is not man, it is from the bible, look at this place, it contains the majority of christian accepted translations. I even have 2 different bibles in home, and this is a verse that even christian scholars accept.

Numbers 31:17 - Vengeance on Midian

So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man,

biblehub.com

now compare that to what the guy sent lol

its literally infront of you lmao

 

[goat2x]

No, is not a little tax. It is the tax of non muslims, and it is much lower than that if the muslims. A muslim land is based on religion, not on nationlism, so it's normal to make laws based on religion.

Is like in some EU countries in which foreigners from other EU lands pay different taxes if they work there just based on their nation, in this case Islam is based on religion and not nationality.

This is 9:29
The verse 9: 29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to an aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s (alayhi a salat wa salam) ambassadors.

Ibn Al-Qayyim writes: 'The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition.'
Source: Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336

This was the first act of Roman aggression that further led to the expedition of Tabuk concerning which the verse 9: 29 was revealed. The verse describes the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God.

Historically? Maybe, on the other hand in scripture that is impossible, jyzia is just money

Give me the reference for this. This sounds like a random opinion of some random scholar like Ibn Kathir or Al Qurtubi, while ommitting the thousands of others.

many things in the quran just popped to it just because of the historical context of muhammad

kinda interesting isnt it?

 

[lutte]

Of course, we are different

Look man, with all due respect (i'm saying it sincerely by the way, no beef) pick up a Bible and read it from cover to cover. I think you will learn a lot more than what you know right now. Look at Numbers 31:17-18 for example. To be honest, the best you can do os read it from cover to cover.

The other day i made a comparison between both, i will tell you the same, i think you will be surprised.

Not true, it must be some fake narration or something, perhaps some random tafsir of some random scholar because otherwise i would have remembered it. There are definetly verses and hadiths of war, against other religions especially polytheists, etc and things that would not be liked by today's society in the west, but exactly the same with the Bible.

The problem is that just because it is in the bible doesn't mean that it is a direct commandment, and you also left out the context,if you read the entire chapter you get a different idea.

But even then we come to a different problem which is to what degree the OT law applies to christians

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

1, i mean you completely ignored the submission part but okay

The romans killed the emissary of the muslims, what did you expect, a hug? Of course they have to submit

and no if you are an eu citizen you will have to pay the same taxes.

I just know there are laws in regards to this, maybe later i'll research it

2, yes it might have written just because of this war that the muslims started but still its still appliable that others are dogs etc so i dont even know why you bother with the historical context, its still appliable lol

Not true, you have to pick all the scripture. If the neighbouring nation kills the emissary or ambassador, that verse is the procedure, but you can't ignore the rest of the verses and scripture

Allah said (interpretation of the meaning):
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not love transgressors.
Surah Al-Baqarah 2: 190

And Allah said (interpretation of the meaning):
Fight them until there is no more persecution and worship is for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
Surah Al-Baqarah 2: 193

Other verses and traditions make clear that we Muslims must accept peace offerings from our enemies.

Allah said (interpretation of the meaning):
If the enemy inclines to peace, then incline to it also and rely upon Allah. Verily, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Surah Al-Anfal 8: 61

And Allah said also (interpretation of the meaning):
So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause for fighting against them.
Surah An-Nisa 4: 90

Ali ibn Abu Talib reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said: Verily, after me there will be conflicts or affairs, so if you are able to end them in peace then do so.
Source: Musnad Ahmad 697, Grade: Sahih

We conclude that verse 9: 29 does not permit aggression against peaceful nations. Rather, it must be read within the context in which it was revealed and in combination with the Quran and authentic traditions as a whole.

3,send me all the scripture on jyzia

That's too big, do you know about Islamic law haha? Is definetly not a small matter, perhaps tomorrow we can PM eachother and i'll do it.

4, its from one of the jihadi groups that take islam serious, these arent minority ppl man, most ppl think like that why do you think that it

You are wrong man (with all due respect), don't generalize. Isis was more condemned by the scholars than Israel, and that is a big statement to say, Islam is not a monolith in which what one random group says everyone follows it. I seriously doubt that opinion holds a minimal value under Islamic scholarship.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

many things in the quran just popped to it just because of the historical context of muhammad

kinda interesting isnt it?

What is the problem with that? Same with the Bible, what about that verse in numbers? It's the same

Do you think that it is logical for God to reveal the verse of the prohibition of eating pork in the middle of a battle? Of course everything has a context.

Don't make this a Barsa-Madrid, you know that i'm being respectful.