why don't you believe in god?

[iblamexyz]

What does this have to do with the original comment

I am glad you asked

Jesus knew this would come up so that's why he was born of a virgin Mary

you still didn't answer my question

we call god the father, because not only did he creates us, God humbling himself to put himself down on Earth, when he's a divine being and dying on the cross, show's act of meekness, and Jesus wants us to live a good life

and he's set that blueprint for being on earth to demonstrate his ways

and since ur on org, you probably seen rehab room before

(just guessing by your name)

let's hypothetically say you relate with rehab, is it because of his life experience, or his looks? (and yes he hasn't done a face reveal, but he did state in his new video he looksmatches with mitten squad)

 

[iblamexyz]

Trying to claim Christians are mocked the most.

do you disagree?

 

[iblamexyz]

No idc about looks i jst wanted to be treated like a human being

do people not treat you like a human being?

 

[iblamexyz]

who would believe in god go to church and devote a huge portion of their life to some sand nigger cult from the bronze age if it didn't promise them eternal life. it's literally just fear of death

do you fear death?

by the sounds of it (I might wrong) you think that god is either make believe or a dictator but it's actually a blessing to honour god

 

[iblamexyz]

I love how none of the pro god comments in this thread chain actually prove the existence of a god

what would prove look like to you?

 

[iblamexyz]

God is a very human concept and the world works through a very cold and very inhuman logic, even down to the animals

If he exists he is very removed from how we imagine him because if he was anywhere near similar to a human he would really interfere

have you read the bible before?

 

[KT-34]

have you read the bible before?

The entirety? Nope

 

[batman1997]

Yes I believe I believe he is an Evil sadist that likes seeing others pain and suffering while he laughs in his fucking throne.

 

[25thBaam]

I know org can be quite demonic not everyone and that's a funky few

however a lot of people are either atheist (strong believe that there is no god) or agnostic (don't know if there is a god)

of course there's a few Muslims and Hindu's I've seen on the forums and Christians ofc

I am self I am Christian


I am more interested in debating god exitance rather than what Muslim vs Christian's and vies versa or something else

Still open to it however

I believe there is some sort of higher power out there, but just not the one we imagine by traditional means, and there’s just so many inconsistencies, for example, the Christian god is all knowing, and all good, but how can he be all good if bad things happen? how can he be all knowing if we have free will? I get that apparently satan is the one doing all the bad things in the world but why would an all good god let him do it? If he’s all knowing why would he have given Adam and Eve the tree with the apple if he knew they would eat of it anyway? Another thing is evolution which the Christian Bible (atleast to my knowledge) doesn’t agree with, when there’s mountains of evidence for it, whereas with god there isn’t much evidence at all, also ever notice religion really only went mainstream after we got out of the caveman period and became intelligent? And started thinking about what happens after death? When we couldn’t come up with an answer, we told ourselves a lullaby to appease our worries, and make it seem like all good people go to good places or something. I think religion might just be the greatest coping mechanism of all time.

 

[iblamexyz]

what if people don't have the means to know about him, like they are in some 3rd world country with no knowledge of God

that's pretty unfair

honestly idk, that's why it's my job as Christian

so if there people in 3rd world countries, god can judge them by saying they were told thru me

god is the most merciful and understanding

I am sure god has made an effort to reach people everywhere

 

[iblamexyz]

Btw the christian God most likely isn't real if he wanted he could have made me u and u me and u would prolly go to hell, not even by ur own free choice jst out of the environment u were placed into and the cards u were given while I would be spreading the world of the lord jst like u are based simple by where I was born, how I look and who my parents where

your not wrong

although I would disagree, the fact that we here right now, and you could've chose any thread but this one peaked your curiosity so much so that you replied to this thread means your so much greater than you could be right now

 

[134applesauce456]

honestly idk, that's why it's my job as Christian

so if there people in 3rd world countries, god can judge them by saying they were told thru me

god is the most merciful and understanding

I am sure god has made an effort to reach people everywhere

honestly i don't think God cares about us )if he exists), he doesn't care enough to intervene against unnecessary suffering and he also doesn't care enough to punish / reward us in the "afterlife". It's more probable that our existence and nature is random and after death we cease to exist

 

[iblamexyz]

also there is a lot of religious people in the world, billions, so i still find it pretty irrational that God cares about every single person who calls upon him but maybe there is a chance?

god is outside of space and time so he can for sure reach everyone who reaches him

 

[iblamexyz]

honestly i don't think God cares about us )if he exists), he doesn't care enough to intervene against unnecessary suffering and he also doesn't care enough to punish / reward us in the "afterlife". It's more probable that our existence and nature is random and after death we cease to exist

so do you believe in,

believe in evolution

 

[iblamexyz]

It's not a "theory" that we're all enslaved.
You don't even know that you're a slave.

I agree

do you think your slave?

do you think I'm slave?

 

[134applesauce456]

god is outside of space and time so he can for sure reach everyone who reaches him

well it's nice to think of an all powerful God that can defy the laws of the universe we currently are placed in but why doesn't the logic follow through? if he was as all powerful and loving as you claim then he could find a way to intervene without limiting our free will or reducing the meaning of life or whatever argument people give to the question of unnecessary suffering

idk if that makes sense

 

[134applesauce456]

so do you believe in,

believe in evolution

i'm agnostic , i respect all beliefs but i have no beliefs myself . I wouldn't even call myself an atheist I think there could be a higher power or maybe there couldn't be, i don't know. everything about the nature of our existence is extremely unclear

the only thing I know is that If I were a higher power i would 100% change this world drastically, there is too much suffering and I would help if i had that power (no offense to God if he is real lol)

 

[134applesauce456]

I believe there is some sort of higher power out there, but just not the one we imagine by traditional means, and there’s just so many inconsistencies, for example, the Christian god is all knowing, and all good, but how can he be all good if bad things happen? how can he be all knowing if we have free will? I get that apparently satan is the one doing all the bad things in the world but why would an all good god let him do it? If he’s all knowing why would he have given Adam and Eve the tree with the apple if he knew they would eat of it anyway? Another thing is evolution which the Christian Bible (atleast to my knowledge) doesn’t agree with, when there’s mountains of evidence for it, whereas with god there isn’t much evidence at all, also ever notice religion really only went mainstream after we got out of the caveman period and became intelligent? And started thinking about what happens after death? When we couldn’t come up with an answer, we told ourselves a lullaby to appease our worries, and make it seem like all good people go to good places or something. I think religion might just be the greatest coping mechanism of all time.

I guess good can't exist without evil, maybe God purposely introduces evil to test us and teach us lessons that's the only thing I can think of , and tbh i don't know if like that fact so much, i think we all want a world with no evil and care less about "life lessons"

 

[iblamexyz]

if he was as all powerful and loving as you claim then he could find a way to intervene without limiting our free will or reducing the meaning of life or whatever argument people give to the question of unnecessary suffering

idk if that makes sense

it does make sense, and I haven't said that he is all loving (and if I have please forgive me)

you see God is like a father, if you just have a father who's all loving and there isn't any wrath, than every time you slip up, you don't understand the consequences of your actions.

god also isn't a dictator, he wants real love. same as if you had a Stacy, you want her to love you rather than just be with you.

that's why we have the free will, you either follow god or you don't

I don't want to frighten you I want to educate you, god loves you so much that he is willing to let you walk away but there will be consequences.

Heaven isn't for good people, it's for God's family, Jesus didn't hang around with good people on earth he hanged out with misfits who loved him.

 

[johnathansmithston]

I know org can be quite demonic not everyone and that's a funky few

however a lot of people are either atheist (strong believe that there is no god) or agnostic (don't know if there is a god)

of course there's a few Muslims and Hindu's I've seen on the forums and Christians ofc

I am self I am Christian


I am more interested in debating god exitance rather than what Muslim vs Christian's and vies versa or something else

Still open to it however

I dont get the point of god creating people at all
Like an all loving deity creates a race of people where a huge majority of them are doomed to eternal suffering?

 

[iblamexyz]

I guess good can't exist without evil, maybe God purposely introduces evil to test us and teach us lessons that's the only thing I can think of , and tbh i don't know if like that fact so much, i think we all want a world with no evil and care less about "life lessons"

you don't know the sun without the moon, and im ngl you can probably relate in your life

when you had too much of something that was good I am sure you wouldn't want it to be sunny all the time and neither would you want it to be dark all the time

 

[134applesauce456]

it does make sense, and I haven't said that he is all loving (and if I have please forgive me)

you see God is like a father, if you just have a father who's all loving and there isn't any wrath, than every time you slip up, you don't understand the consequences of your actions.

god also isn't a dictator, he wants real love. same as if you had a Stacy, you want her to love you rather than just be with you.

that's why we have the free will, you either follow god or you don't

I don't want to frighten you I want to educate you, god loves you so much that he is willing to let you walk away but there will be consequences.

Heaven isn't for good people, it's for God's family, Jesus didn't hang around with good people on earth he hanged out with misfits who loved him.

well that's nice, I respect your beliefs and I see you are trying to do good

I still heavily disagree though , and if you are up for further discussion I would ask why does simple belief in God grant you access to this mythical heaven afterworld? If God exists he gave us an extreme lack of proof for his actual existence and gave us no means to communicate with him. Why does he value our blind faith so much so that if someone raped and murdered kids as long as they believe and have faith in him they would go to heaven, sorry that's just ridiculous. Then on the other hand a doctor who was generous , helped alleviate suffering, and did good will burn in hell for eternity just because he couldn't convince himself to have faith in an abstract concept with little-no proof? Correct me if I am wrong but that is what you just said / implied.

Also there is a contradiction as you said God is like a father so he has wrath to guide us and help us understand the situation of our mistakes . I would agree with that and I think that's a good way to put it. But then you later go on to say God loves us so much he is willing to let us walk away and burn in hell? Well not only is that a contradiction but that also doesn't seem extremely loving. Honestly i'd go as far as to say a loving God (in my eyes) would limit or heavily manipulate some of our free will to help alleviate unnecessary suffering especially like suffering for eternity in hell . Besides we don't have 100% free will here on Earth when you really think about it, are thinking is limited by our brains, our brains can malfunction and are far from perfect . Psychopathy, mental illness, alzheimer's disease, other diseases mutations etc can heavily influence our thinking to the point where idk if it's free will anymore. I'm just going to use Richard Ramirez as an example, RiRa obviously got dealt pretty shitty cards there was something wrong with his brain on the chemical level that made he lack empathy and be psychopathic, was it really in his absolute free will to be a serial killer or was it not a sum of environmental factors that he had little control over. If we were given the same cards as him how do you know we wouldn't turn out the same?

I believe hell is not justified under any circumstance, an eternity of suffering with no chance of forgiveness as a consequence for the actions we did with a flawed brain and flawed existence ? Hell is obviously just a fear mongering tool used by the corrupted church officials of the past

 

[JustCallMeKash]

you don't know the sun without the moon, and im ngl you can probably relate in your life

when you had too much of something that was good I am sure you wouldn't want it to be sunny all the time and neither would you want it to be dark all the time

Nigga thinks the thread is life changing how about you send me a band

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

what would prove look like to you?

Measurable evidence. Can be a video tape, recording, etc

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

do you disagree?

In the west yes

 

[Sub5UglyMan]

I am glad you asked

Jesus knew this would come up so that's why he was born of a virgin Mary

you still didn't answer my question

we call god the father, because not only did he creates us, God humbling himself to put himself down on Earth, when he's a divine being and dying on the cross, show's act of meekness, and Jesus wants us to live a good life

and he's set that blueprint for being on earth to demonstrate his ways

and since ur on org, you probably seen rehab room before

(just guessing by your name)

let's hypothetically say you relate with rehab, is it because of his life experience, or his looks? (and yes he hasn't done a face reveal, but he did state in his new video he looksmatches with mitten squad)

I’m not ugly I’m average. It’s just a username and I’ve always been atheist

 

[g4rlic]

I just don't think his existence is of any use to me, even if he is real. If I believed in him I would be doing it out of necessity or hope into getting into heaven and I was kind of raised to believe that I was at least supposed to love him or believe that what he says and does is right.

To me it seems that there aren't many stakes to our existence. And his intentions are unclear with there being 50 different religions that contradict eachother.

I simply do not want him to be real anyways. The idea of a powerful diety who we have no way to decipher if he truly has our best interest or not is terrifying.

 

[iblamenarrowface]

If he was real there would be no subhumans everyone would look like Brad Pitt

 

[iblamexyz]

If he was real there would be no subhumans everyone would look like Brad Pitt

how does ts even make sense jfl

 

[iblamexyz]

I just don't think his existence is of any use to me, even if he is real. If I believed in him I would be doing it out of necessity or hope into getting into heaven and I was kind of raised to believe that I was at least supposed to love him or believe that what he says and does is right.

To me it seems that there aren't many stakes to our existence. And his intentions are unclear with there being 50 different religions that contradict eachother.

I simply do not want him to be real anyways. The idea of a powerful diety who we have no way to decipher if he truly has our best interest or not is terrifying.

I understand ur point deeply

but god is like a friend you can't begin to understand him without me in his presence

 

[iblamexyz]

Nigga thinks the thread is life changing how about you send me a band

what would u do if I send u that band?

 

[iblamexyz]

I’ve always been atheist

have you ever went looking for god?

 

[copercel123]

I know org can be quite demonic not everyone and that's a funky few

however a lot of people are either atheist (strong believe that there is no god) or agnostic (don't know if there is a god)

of course there's a few Muslims and Hindu's I've seen on the forums and Christians ofc

I am self I am Christian


I am more interested in debating god exitance rather than what Muslim vs Christian's and vies versa or something else

Still open to it however

Beacuse he’s simply not real, no evidence.

 

[iblamexyz]

well that's nice, I respect your beliefs and I see you are trying to do good

I still heavily disagree though , and if you are up for further discussion I would ask why does simple belief in God grant you access to this mythical heaven afterworld? If God exists he gave us an extreme lack of proof for his actual existence and gave us no means to communicate with him. Why does he value our blind faith so much so that if someone raped and murdered kids as long as they believe and have faith in him they would go to heaven, sorry that's just ridiculous. Then on the other hand a doctor who was generous , helped alleviate suffering, and did good will burn in hell for eternity just because he couldn't convince himself to have faith in an abstract concept with little-no proof? Correct me if I am wrong but that is what you just said / implied.

Also there is a contradiction as you said God is like a father so he has wrath to guide us and help us understand the situation of our mistakes . I would agree with that and I think that's a good way to put it. But then you later go on to say God loves us so much he is willing to let us walk away and burn in hell? Well not only is that a contradiction but that also doesn't seem extremely loving. Honestly i'd go as far as to say a loving God (in my eyes) would limit or heavily manipulate some of our free will to help alleviate unnecessary suffering especially like suffering for eternity in hell . Besides we don't have 100% free will here on Earth when you really think about it, are thinking is limited by our brains, our brains can malfunction and are far from perfect . Psychopathy, mental illness, alzheimer's disease, other diseases mutations etc can heavily influence our thinking to the point where idk if it's free will anymore. I'm just going to use Richard Ramirez as an example, RiRa obviously got dealt pretty shitty cards there was something wrong with his brain on the chemical level that made he lack empathy and be psychopathic, was it really in his absolute free will to be a serial killer or was it not a sum of environmental factors that he had little control over. If we were given the same cards as him how do you know we wouldn't turn out the same?

I believe hell is not justified under any circumstance, an eternity of suffering with no chance of forgiveness as a consequence for the actions we did with a flawed brain and flawed existence ? Hell is obviously just a fear mongering tool used by the corrupted church officials of the past

like I said in my dms Heaven is god house, I doubt you want to spend your weekend with good people you probs would want to spend it with your friends.

you can say the same for oxygen or gravity I don't see it so I don't think it exists, but the scientific evidence otherwise same with god

rira just didn't have love in his life and support that's why he did what he did

god is like a father and gives free will and I am ngl I am European so I got the slipper instead of the belt but there is no reason that a father should a belt but he does to discipline his children, at the end day god wants you to love him for real you wouldn't want a bratty Stacy living with you 24/7 if she loves she will show it

we're all sinners and have done disgusting hurtful sins and we deserve hell but by the blood of Jesus we don't go to hell

 

[iblamexyz]

Beacuse he’s simply not real, no evidence.

what makes u say that?

 

[copercel123]

what makes u say that?

Maybe the fact there is no evidence?

 

[iblamexyz]

I dont get the point of god creating people at all
Like an all loving deity creates a race of people where a huge majority of them are doomed to eternal suffering?

well we're made to worship

you probs have something very important in ur life that you worship

I don't think ppl are doomed to suffer, it's by your own free will

 

[iblamexyz]

Maybe the fact there is no evidence?

okay what makes you say there is none and what does it look like to you

 

[sillybilly]

I know org can be quite demonic not everyone and that's a funky few

however a lot of people are either atheist (strong believe that there is no god) or agnostic (don't know if there is a god)

of course there's a few Muslims and Hindu's I've seen on the forums and Christians ofc

I am self I am Christian


I am more interested in debating god exitance rather than what Muslim vs Christian's and vies versa or something else

Still open to it however

i used to believe in jesus, the muhammad and the boodah.. but now... i believe in the church of AI

 

[iblamexyz]

In the west yes

have you ever said ''omg''

 

[iblamexyz]

Thats good for you ig, but at one point in my life I was suicidal and I turned to god and he didn't come, I cried and begged and prayed and nothing happened in the end I was alone like I had always been so I jst dealt with it day by day suffering I still suffer, but what does it matter if noone cares then its not even real

I am really sorry you went thru that and I don't know why he didn't show

would u open to going to a local church near you?

 

[iblamexyz]

What would god need to do? Actually have proof of his existence. Why do I only need my own forgiveness? Because I know for sure I’m real but I don’t know for sure if he is.

have you ever went looking for god?

 

[iblamexyz]

I believe there is some sort of higher power out there, but just not the one we imagine by traditional means, and there’s just so many inconsistencies, for example, the Christian god is all knowing, and all good, but how can he be all good if bad things happen? how can he be all knowing if we have free will? I get that apparently satan is the one doing all the bad things in the world but why would an all good god let him do it? If he’s all knowing why would he have given Adam and Eve the tree with the apple if he knew they would eat of it anyway? Another thing is evolution which the Christian Bible (atleast to my knowledge) doesn’t agree with, when there’s mountains of evidence for it, whereas with god there isn’t much evidence at all, also ever notice religion really only went mainstream after we got out of the caveman period and became intelligent? And started thinking about what happens after death? When we couldn’t come up with an answer, we told ourselves a lullaby to appease our worries, and make it seem like all good people go to good places or something. I think religion might just be the greatest coping mechanism of all time.

well we have free will so god has given you a fair of hands if you want turn your hands into a fist and start to hurts otherwise and blame it on satan, that's you being manipulative and a fraud, satan tempts does NOT make you act, you have in your power to resist evil.

again like I mentioned before in this thread you need to see the moon before you can see the sun, you don't know what the dark looks like without the light.

the more you actually look into evolution the less sense it makes

 

[25thBaam]

well we have free will so god has given you a fair of hands if you want turn your hands into a fist and start to hurts otherwise and blame it on satan, that's you being manipulative and a fraud, satan tempts does NOT make you act, you have in your power to resist evil.

again like I mentioned before in this thread you need to see the moon before you can see the sun, you don't know what the dark looks like without the light.

the more you actually look into evolution the less sense it makes

I have in me the power to resist evil but I was born into sin, also if god is all knowing, he already knows whether or not I’m going to sin, not saying he causes it, but if he knows what I’ll do in advance, how is there any actual decision for me to make, I’m basically reading off a script, also I’m not blaming satan, it just doesn’t make sense for god to let someone who he knows is going to drag people down with him keep on dragging people down with him, especially when he’s supposed to be love incarnate

 

[william.]

I know org can be quite demonic not everyone and that's a funky few

however a lot of people are either atheist (strong believe that there is no god) or agnostic (don't know if there is a god)

of course there's a few Muslims and Hindu's I've seen on the forums and Christians ofc

I am self I am Christian


I am more interested in debating god exitance rather than what Muslim vs Christian's and vies versa or something else

Still open to it however

why tf would you belive in god. Its so obs that it was a tool to control the low iq slaves.
do what this book said or you will forever burn manmade language with no meaning btw

so many logical fallacies in all of the book, but they are all explained away with some shit explanation. not to mention there is no proof, and also if there was a so called he is defentily not how he is described in these religions.

the only reason ppl still are religious are because of fear, i still respect ppl that belive in a religion more then the even dumber retards that belive we slowly evolved from a fucking cell.

 

[iblamexyz]

why tf would you belive in god. Its so obs that it was a tool to control the low iq slaves.
do what this book said or you will forever burn manmade language with no meaning btw

so many logical fallacies in all of the book, but they are all explained away with some shit explanation. not to mention there is no proof, and also if there was a so called he is defentily not how he is described in these religions.

the only reason ppl still are religious are because of fear, i still respect ppl that belive in a religion more then the even dumber retards that belive we slowly evolved from a fucking cell.

let me guess you watch goatis and you haven't read the bible but already formed an opinion without reading it, because we are saved thru faith not works.

also you learn to understand what a true privilege it is to honour god.

 

[iblamexyz]

I have in me the power to resist evil but I was born into sin, also if god is all knowing, he already knows whether or not I’m going to sin, not saying he causes it, but if he knows what I’ll do in advance, how is there any actual decision for me to make, I’m basically reading off a script, also I’m not blaming satan, it just doesn’t make sense for god to let someone who he knows is going to drag people down with him keep on dragging people down with him, especially when he’s supposed to be love incarnate

yes ofc god knows what I am going to do next, but nothing is stopping you from logging off org and punching sm1 in the face.

you have the free will to do whatever you want to literally of course actions do have consequences, but resisting the urge to do a fleshy desire or a harmful action could be a powerful testimony for God and what he can do for you and others.

 

[william.]

let me guess you watch goatis and you haven't read the bible but already formed an opinion without reading it, because we are saved thru faith not works.

also you learn to understand what a true privilege it is to honour god.

I have watched a few tt videos of him, but im not a fan i also disagree with alot of the shit he says. and no i havent read the fucking bible, I know what is it about.

so where tf is the proof of this nigga? and if he exists he is obs the most evil cruel creature ever.

notice how you say faith fucking dumbass

 

[iblamexyz]

I have watched a few tt videos of him, but im not a fan i also disagree with alot of the shit he says. and no i havent read the fucking bible, I know what is it about.

so where tf is the proof of this nigga? and if he exists he is obs the most evil cruel creature ever.

notice how you say faith fucking dumbass

yes ofc I said faith? Because I am saved thru Jesus

what is the bible about since you know about it without reading it

 

[25thBaam]

yes ofc god knows what I am going to do next, but nothing is stopping you from logging off org and punching sm1 in the face.

you have the free will to do whatever you want to literally of course actions do have consequences, but resisting the urge to do a fleshy desire or a harmful action could be a powerful testimony for God and what he can do for you and others.

“Actions have consequences” but that consequence is eternal suffering because you chose not to dedicate your life to something you don’t have concrete evidence for, but anyway man you have your beliefs, I have mine, have a good day/night