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Why Eugenics gets such a bad wrap?
There are many reasons why from its associations with Nazis and other deemed evil groups. But I think the biggest reason is that it is directly caused by a society instead of randomly. Nature is a very eugenic force but no one ever cursed god or nature for these events because they were "natural". Eugenics is entirely designed by man and not by nature god or chance.... Its much more difficult to accept something that is a person or societies fault.
Mankind has already suspended the laws of nature for the most part.
We still don't have eternal life yet or anything crazy but most negative traits do not take you out of the gene selection process. The two major selection processes are reaching maturity (basically not dying) and sexual selection. A lot of people will argue sexual selection still exists but even this does not exist in a strong way because women chose to have sex with a man... But she will not get pregnant nearly half of women by 35 in the millennial generation will be childless. Sex today does not mean a reproductive selective since most procreation today is recreational and will not lead to pregnancy. So having sex with hundreds of chads or genetically viable men means nothing with contraceptives. For all intent purposes man has destroyed the law of nature which limited us before.
Other artificial selections Mankind has created
It would be one thing if we just got rid of the pressure from natural selection but we are doing the opposite. The Welfare system currently supports low income low IQ people to have more kids. You will see a lot of people with no job having 7 kids because they get more money and benefits for every kid. While on the middle class we have negative pressures kids today are a burden and very expensive so many middle class families have 1-2 very small families. These processes are known as dysgenics or a negative/degenerating selection event which selects for worse and worse traits.
Doing nothing is still choosing an outcome no matter what we are artificially changing humanity...
The point of the previous passages was that we can't really avoid fundamentally changing ourselves technology is such a powerful disruptive force. Doing nothing is still choosing an outcome if a kid is on fire and you have a glass of water its not a neutral action to watch him burn if you can put out the fire for all intent purposes you let the kid burn if you did nothing. The same is true if we let society decay and allow negative dysgenic pressures occur. This phenomenon has been observed with dog species and zoo animals over time where they will naturally develop weird or negative traits when they are in captivity for many generations because the thresholds for surviving are basically 0. Dog breeders today still have to actively filter new generation purebreds because if they don't they develop diseases or weird traits.
So what is my solution?
Mankind needs to create an artificial selection pressure similar to previous ones. At the bare minimum we need genetic maintenance this would mean creating enough pressure to maintain the genetic talent we already have. Things by default decay this will probably upset a lot of people but I don't see any other way. We should try to do it in the most benevolent way possible. The three main ways to do this are
1. Discouraging people in bad spots to have kids this means getting rid of the incentives for low income poor people to have kids. Perhaps even money could be awarded to those on welfare for getting a surgery to get rid of reproductive capabilities. This would pay off in the long run.
2. Create positive incentives for middle class working families to have lots of kids maybe giving a tax break for families above the 50th percentile to have 3+ kids ect. Middle class families should be given the most incentives since they are the demographic paying a lot of the taxes and they are not rich enough to shrug off the high costs of children.
3. And a certain number of exceptional people like (Nikola Tesla Chris Langan ect) should be sought out for sperm donations so genius incel autists who are exceptional one in a million guys can have kids too.
The possible outcomes if things take their course without intervention.
There are a few likely scenarios I will go over.
1. If Western society continues to be run this way Asia which as of now has the most Eugenic policies and very low welfare will surpass it.
2. Current day society will be unable to be perpetuated by future generations this has happened before to places like Rome where the society devolves to the point where generations of the future have no clue how to even maintain the society let alone improve it and so slowly it decays because the very people who made it what it was are in too few numbers to maintain it.
3. This is a natural selection process just a very long one and will lead to society getting bad again which will reintroduce hardship restarting the natural selection process.
Conclusion:
There are two choices mankind has allow dysgenics to slowly disrupt society or artificially create some pressure event to maintain/improve things.
There are many reasons why from its associations with Nazis and other deemed evil groups. But I think the biggest reason is that it is directly caused by a society instead of randomly. Nature is a very eugenic force but no one ever cursed god or nature for these events because they were "natural". Eugenics is entirely designed by man and not by nature god or chance.... Its much more difficult to accept something that is a person or societies fault.
Mankind has already suspended the laws of nature for the most part.
We still don't have eternal life yet or anything crazy but most negative traits do not take you out of the gene selection process. The two major selection processes are reaching maturity (basically not dying) and sexual selection. A lot of people will argue sexual selection still exists but even this does not exist in a strong way because women chose to have sex with a man... But she will not get pregnant nearly half of women by 35 in the millennial generation will be childless. Sex today does not mean a reproductive selective since most procreation today is recreational and will not lead to pregnancy. So having sex with hundreds of chads or genetically viable men means nothing with contraceptives. For all intent purposes man has destroyed the law of nature which limited us before.
Other artificial selections Mankind has created
It would be one thing if we just got rid of the pressure from natural selection but we are doing the opposite. The Welfare system currently supports low income low IQ people to have more kids. You will see a lot of people with no job having 7 kids because they get more money and benefits for every kid. While on the middle class we have negative pressures kids today are a burden and very expensive so many middle class families have 1-2 very small families. These processes are known as dysgenics or a negative/degenerating selection event which selects for worse and worse traits.
Doing nothing is still choosing an outcome no matter what we are artificially changing humanity...
The point of the previous passages was that we can't really avoid fundamentally changing ourselves technology is such a powerful disruptive force. Doing nothing is still choosing an outcome if a kid is on fire and you have a glass of water its not a neutral action to watch him burn if you can put out the fire for all intent purposes you let the kid burn if you did nothing. The same is true if we let society decay and allow negative dysgenic pressures occur. This phenomenon has been observed with dog species and zoo animals over time where they will naturally develop weird or negative traits when they are in captivity for many generations because the thresholds for surviving are basically 0. Dog breeders today still have to actively filter new generation purebreds because if they don't they develop diseases or weird traits.
So what is my solution?
Mankind needs to create an artificial selection pressure similar to previous ones. At the bare minimum we need genetic maintenance this would mean creating enough pressure to maintain the genetic talent we already have. Things by default decay this will probably upset a lot of people but I don't see any other way. We should try to do it in the most benevolent way possible. The three main ways to do this are
1. Discouraging people in bad spots to have kids this means getting rid of the incentives for low income poor people to have kids. Perhaps even money could be awarded to those on welfare for getting a surgery to get rid of reproductive capabilities. This would pay off in the long run.
2. Create positive incentives for middle class working families to have lots of kids maybe giving a tax break for families above the 50th percentile to have 3+ kids ect. Middle class families should be given the most incentives since they are the demographic paying a lot of the taxes and they are not rich enough to shrug off the high costs of children.
3. And a certain number of exceptional people like (Nikola Tesla Chris Langan ect) should be sought out for sperm donations so genius incel autists who are exceptional one in a million guys can have kids too.
The possible outcomes if things take their course without intervention.
There are a few likely scenarios I will go over.
1. If Western society continues to be run this way Asia which as of now has the most Eugenic policies and very low welfare will surpass it.
2. Current day society will be unable to be perpetuated by future generations this has happened before to places like Rome where the society devolves to the point where generations of the future have no clue how to even maintain the society let alone improve it and so slowly it decays because the very people who made it what it was are in too few numbers to maintain it.
3. This is a natural selection process just a very long one and will lead to society getting bad again which will reintroduce hardship restarting the natural selection process.
Conclusion:
There are two choices mankind has allow dysgenics to slowly disrupt society or artificially create some pressure event to maintain/improve things.