Why exactly is suicide seen as so evil? At least to some

[BadLuck7892]

Not sure if it’s this thread or another. But I’ve actually mentioned how much courage it really takes to end your life!

I attempted to overdose.

You're right, it takes lots of courage to put a massive amount of a substance into you, fully expecting to die.

 

[imontheloose]

there was a girl in 8th grade that did a essay on euthanasia years ago this was in a extremely religious school like 60% mormon, mormons would be like the most opposed to such an idea but i think 87% of our entire grade voted for legal euthanasia so i think its like an extreme minority to be opposed to it honestly, its usually a person close to the person who is getting euthanasia where it becomes an exception



like this dudes wife prevented him from dying for a long time and honestly was a brutal watch

Wow, interesting. Pretty cool insight. I really wouldn’t expect it off Mormons. Mormonism is seen as an insult, right? There’s a so called, “kinder” way to refer to them.

Nonetheless, very intriguing. Thanks.

 

[BadLuck7892]

how did you attempt?

and what were your thoughts during and after

I attempted to overdose on caffeine.

My thoughts during were about how satisfied I was to finally be doing it.

My thoughts after were panic at the fact I failed.

 

[inceI]

I attempted to overdose on caffeine.

My thoughts during were about how satisfied I was to finally be doing it.

My thoughts after were panic at the fact I failed.

they say you realise all problems in your life were temporary and fixable, even the worst of them

do you think thats true?

 

[Deleted member 51358]

There’s rules to this realm whether you believe it or not, I imagine the karma is very bad, giving up on the game

So you believe this is all a game and the game master will punish those who refuse to play

Sometimes it does feel like a game

 

[imontheloose]

So you believe this is all a game and the game master will punish those who refuse to play

Sometimes it does feel like a game

Ever considered such a reality? I really haven’t been able to convince myself. I wish I was religiously deluded, honestly. Even in this more vague sense.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Ever considered such a reality?

Yes I have

But I don’t believe it of course

But I do think it’s an important skill to be able to entertain an idea without believing it

Soren Kierkegaard was a master of this

He would literally right entire books under pen names pretending to be in opposition of his on views

 

[imontheloose]

Yes I have

But I don’t believe it of course

But I do think it’s an important skill to be able to entertain an idea without believing it

Soren Kierkegaard was a master of this

He would literally right entire books under pen names pretending to be in opposition of his on views

Yes. I simply have been unable to convince myself of all main religions. And I’ve spent a lot of time, open-heartedly, studying them.

 

[BadLuck7892]

they say you realise all problems in your life were temporary and fixable, even the worst of them

do you think thats true?

Yes and no.

 

[DownwardGrowth]

Like other people said, it's mainly because you're "stealing" your future contributions from society. In modern times, a lot of this can be quantified by monetary values like taxes. But more generally, society spend a lot of resources raising their youth; lots of sacrifices are made for the sake of their future, men would put themselves in harm's way to protect women and children, for example. People don't generally start to consider suicide until early adulthood, which is when you start paying back the debt you owe.

I believe this is the primary reason behind why religion stigmatizes it. It's not very productive to outlaw suicide; laws can only be enforced via punishment in this life, but suicide inherently bypasses any such consequences. But religion bypasses this restriction, promising either punishment or reduced reward in whatever notion of afterlife it holds.

 

[imontheloose]

I believe this is the primary reason behind why religion stigmatizes it.

Agreed until here. Religion, to me, seems to ban it because its followers would otherwise rush to commit suicide to meet their God in heaven. That’s why it’s punished so severely as a destiny for hell.

 

[ihatereddit]

people who are against euthanasia for people with shit like ALS are legit evil

 

[imontheloose]

people who are against euthanasia for people with shit like ALS are legit evil

Usually religious folk.

 

[Hernan]

AFAIK. From East London I saw in his funny argument with @Hernan. I loved that thread. Really made me giggle.

I cant remember ngl.

 

[lightswinning]

Because there’s a contradiction

You can’t say that you have the right to suicide but also say someone has the right to stop you from committing suicide

Those two things are contradicting they cannot both be true


Yes they could they would just be punished/prevented for it

It’s the same in the case of suicide

You cannot truly have the right to something if someone has the right to prevent you from doing that thing

I think what he was trying to say by claiming "everyone does have the 'right' to suicide" is that there is simply zero legal consequence for the act your choosing to do ( assuming you succeed obviously). You are correct in pointing out that the freedom to do something does not imply the legal right to do that. However, by definition something being classified as "illegal" implies that it entails legal consequences ( usually things like jail time. fines etc and in the case of the slave example, whipping? or whatever) but suicide( assuming your successful again) is unique and cannot be compared to say a slave choosing to roam around because well, any person can choose to do this act ( suicide) and NOT suffer through the post-legal consequences. In that sense, i think he is correct, everyone does have the "freedom" to suicide. In other words, you cannot be punished for killing yourself. I feel like the whole discussion dosent hold any weight here considering this is probably the only act where it dosent matter if its legal/illegal because well for the "legality" of it to hold any meaningful weight, appropriate consequences has to exist which it cant for suicide because well your fucking dead.

However, your 100 percent correct in pointing out that if someone else has a right to prevent you from killing yourself then it tacitly implies you dont inherently possess the right to well, kill yourself if you want to be technical, but you always have the "freedom" whatever you wanna call it to kill yourself because if u DO really want to commit to the act, unless your an idiot you can easily do so in ways which would not give anyone else a chance to intervene or even be involved in the picture tbh., and you DO get away scot-free without any legal punishment. Hence your technically CANNOT be punished/prevented for the act of suicide like you claimed. @wishIwasSalludon @imontheloose

 

[whatsamaxilla]

I didn’t choose to be born, rhetorically granted as a right to life so surely it warrants a right to death too? At first, the connection seems rather childish, but seriously have a little think. I’m not trying to just say, if X, can I also not X?

Essentially, a right to freedom of speech also warrants a right to not speak at all. If I’m under compulsory (?) speech, that isn’t exactly respecting my freedom of speech. Just like how forcing (?) I, or anyone for the sake of argument, to stay alive isn’t respecting mine/their right to life.

Is it just religious doctrine which has borderline propagandised it? The utilitarian argument of it harming those around you seems rather odd when extrapolated. The core belief itself is absurd, anyway.

I’ve seen this spoken about before and people mostly agree, honestly. Initially, I saw this spoken about, and consequently taken inspiration from a video I watched about a year ago briefly mentioning this.

Usually because of religion ig

 

[topology]

I didn’t choose to be born, rhetorically granted as a right to life so surely it warrants a right to death too? At first, the connection seems rather childish, but seriously have a little think. I’m not trying to just say, if X, can I also not X?

Essentially, a right to freedom of speech also warrants a right to not speak at all. If I’m under compulsory (?) speech, that isn’t exactly respecting my freedom of speech. Just like how forcing (?) I, or anyone for the sake of argument, to stay alive isn’t respecting mine/their right to life.

Is it just religious doctrine which has borderline propagandised it? The utilitarian argument of it harming those around you seems rather odd when extrapolated. The core belief itself is absurd, anyway.

I’ve seen this spoken about before and people mostly agree, honestly. Initially, I saw this spoken about, and consequently taken inspiration from a video I watched about a year ago briefly mentioning this.

It's hilarious when normies try to form deep discussions on such surface level topics. Only exposes how little they think and how much they desire approval.