why god doesn't exist

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

The decay of an atom without a cause is an experimentally proven fact (Nobel Prize 2022). You deny science when it contradicts your faith. Where is your evidence that quantum events have a 'cause'?

"Radioactive Decay has an Unkown Cause. It isnt Uncaused"

"While Radioactive Decay appears random and unpredictable on a single atom level, it's not truly "uncaused" in the sense that it doesn't have underlying mechanisms"

@neurosis JFL at This NIgga Literally Lying Through His Teeth

Physics of the 21st century > Philosophy of the 11th century. Al-Ghazali did not know about quantum mechanics, the Big Bang and multiverses. You appeal to the ancients because modern science destroys your dogmas."

You Forgot to remove the Quotation Mark you Copy & Pasted this From

If God can be uncaused, then so can the Universe. Why introduce an extra entity? You're simply replacing one unknown (the origin of the Universe) with another unknown (the origin of God). That's not an explanation.

The Universe Cannot Be Uncaused Its in Line W/ Nature & All Things in Nature have a Cause

99.9% of the solar system is lethal to life. We exist not because the world is perfect, but because we have adapted to its tiny habitable zone. It's like calling a desert perfect if you only survived in an oasis.

Thats why I said OUR Solar System & OUR 8 Planets

this is a double standard
you have no critical thinking at all lol, and all your pseudo-arguments are built on double standards. You demand absolute proof from science, but from yourself it is enough to say "God is eternal, that's all!!" There is no point in continuing the argument with you because you have already lost

Im Willing to Accept Your Science If you Dont Spew Lies & Misinformation Like Before

 

[neverlookback]

Retard take

 

[LatentIntellectual]

Even if God existed, he'd be a pretty shitty one lmao

 

[neurosis]

op take 3 massive bong hits of the most potent DMT you can find and come back to this thread

 

[neurosis]

"Radioactive Decay has an Unkown Cause. It isnt Uncaused"

"While Radioactive Decay appears random and unpredictable on a single atom level, it's not truly "uncaused" in the sense that it doesn't have underlying mechanisms"

@neurosis JFL at This NIgga Literally Lying Through His Teeth


You Forgot to remove the Quotation Mark you Copy & Pasted this From

The Universe Cannot Be Uncaused Its in Line W/ Nature & All Things in Nature have a Cause

Thats why I said OUR Solar System & OUR 8 Planets

Im Willing to Accept Your Science If you Dont Spew Lies & Misinformation Like Before

low key think he's trolling atp

 

[NVM_Ignacio]

Although no one has proven the existence or absence of God, but He still does not exist. We can say that unicorns live in the depths of our planet, but no one has proven or disproved it, but we all understand that they are not there. The same with God. The burden of proof is a logical concept and it disproves the existence of God. I just destroyed all the arguments of religioncels and agnostics.
and even more so, for 2000 years no one has proven that He exists. This means that He simply does not exist lol.

Thats an argument for agnosticism retard

 

[Skara]

"Radioactive Decay has an Unkown Cause. It isnt Uncaused"

"While Radioactive Decay appears random and unpredictable on a single atom level, it's not truly "uncaused" in the sense that it doesn't have underlying mechanisms"

Please Dont Lie Again
@neurosis JFL

JFL at this. Keep lying.
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is a fundamental property of reality, not a gap in knowledge (you fill that gap with God)
The 2022 Nobel Prize in quantum entanglement confirmed that at the subatomic level, events fundamentally have no hidden variables (Bell's theorem).

Science has already proven the causelessness of quantum events. You either:
a) Accept this,
b) Recognize that your belief contradicts the facts.
There is no third option

You Forgot to remove the Quotation Mark you Copy & Pasted this From

this is not even an argument, it proves that you are wrong about this degenerate Al-Ghazali

Nigga Has the Logic of a 3rd Grader

not argument, you are trying to avoid answering because you have already lost

Thats why I said OUR Solar System & OUR 8 Planets can You Read?

Venus - acid rain, 462°C.
Mars - no protection from radiation.
Jupiter - deadly storms.
Only Earth is barely habitable, and that's due to blind luck (the right distance from the Sun, the Moon to stabilize the axis, etc.).

Im Willing to Accept Your Science If you Dont Spew Lies & Misinformation Like Before

You don't accept science, but tear out pieces of it that are convenient for you. Real science requires evidence, not faith, you demand from me a 100% refutation of God (which I have already done), But for yourself, enough of "God is eternal, that's all!"

 

[Skara]

Thats an argument for agnosticism retard

it just proves that both agnostics and theists are wrong

 

[talcel]

jewish femboy

 

[NVM_Ignacio]

it just proves that both agnostics and theists are wrong

The existence of God imo could be proved by the perfection of the universe we live in, no other argument but that. Still I dont believe in God, I dont think It would change my daily life but bring problematic thoughts.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

JFL at this. Keep lying.
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is a fundamental property of reality, not a gap in knowledge (you fill that gap with God)
The 2022 Nobel Prize in quantum entanglement confirmed that at the subatomic level, events fundamentally have no hidden variables (Bell's theorem).

Science has already proven the causelessness of quantum events. You either:
a) Accept this,
b) Recognize that your belief contradicts the facts.
There is no third option

Now You Run to a Completely Unrelated Topic After Being Caught In Your lie. Your Just Being Contrarian Atp

not argument, you are trying to avoid answering because you have already lost

I Edited that Go Back & Revise

Only Earth is barely habitable, and that's due to blind luck (the right distance from the Sun, the Moon to stabilize the axis, etc.).

Thank You For Agreeing. It is almost an Impossibility.

You don't accept science, but tear out pieces of it that are convenient for you. Real science requires evidence, not faith, you demand from me a 100% refutation of God (which I have already done), But for yourself, enough of "God is eternal, that's all!"

You Have not Refuted God at all But Lied About your Science & Said its Truth
You Dont Argue You Use Other's Refutations W/ Out Any Thought ( Refutation of Al-Ghazari )

 

[Skara]

The existence of God imo could be proved by the perfection of the universe we live in, no other argument but that. Still I dont believe in God, I dont think It would change my daily life but bring problematic thoughts.

It is completely unclear why you think that our universe is perfect

 

[Skara]

Now You Run to a Completely Unrelated Topic After Being Caught In Your lie. Your Just Being Contrarian Atp

OKAY, you either don't understand Bell's theorem or you're deliberately distorting science.
again, the 2022 Nobel Prize confirmed this. quantum events have no causes, which means "everything in nature has a cause" - nonsense
topic closed. you are just lying or took the information from .is

I Edited that Go Back & Revise

You're just spouting nonsense that God is an exception (double standard). You can't even explain it LOL.
"God exists because I said so" dogshit 3rd grader take.

Thank You For Agreeing. It is almost an Impossibility.

If you throw a trillion dice, one combination will still come up, is God intervening here too?
Almost impossible≠intentional

You Have not Refuted God at all But Lied About your Science & Said its Truth
You Dont Argue You Use Other's Refutations W/ Out Any Thought ( Refutation of Al-Ghazari )

me:
Nobel research
Bell's theorem
Quantum uncertainty

You:
Deny science when it is inconvenient for you
Didn't provide any evidence of God
You scream liar (when you lose)

If for God being eternal is evidence, and quantum physics is a lie, then you are simply defending your idiotic dogma lol

Debate is over. You lost

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

OKAY, you either don't understand Bell's theorem or you're deliberately distorting science.
again, the 2022 Nobel Prize confirmed this. quantum events have no causes, which means "everything in nature has a cause" - nonsense
topic closed. you are just lying or took the information from .is

The Causes Are Unknown there isnt Just No Cause at all I Told you This 3x
Radioactive Decay's Cause is Unknown I Just told You
Your just being Blatantly Disingenuous or Im Being Trolled

You're just spouting nonsense that God is an exception (double standard). You can't even explain it LOL.
"God exists because I said so" dogshit 3rd grader take.

You Cant Read

If you throw a trillion dice, one combination will still come up, is God intervening here too?
Almost impossible≠intentional

Never implied God Intervened

me:
Nobel research
Bell's theorem
Quantum uncertainty

The Cause is Unknown.
If I See a Car Crash & I Wasent present for the Cause of it, is there no Cause?

If for God being eternal is evidence, and quantum physics is a lie, then you are simply defending your idiotic dogma lol

Your Misquoting Quantum Physics

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Although no one has proven the existence or absence of God, but He still does not exist. We can say that unicorns live in the depths of our planet, but no one has proven or disproved it, but we all understand that they are not there. The same with God. The burden of proof is a logical concept and it disproves the existence of God. I just destroyed all the arguments of religioncels and agnostics.
and even more so, for 2000 years no one has proven that He exists. This means that He simply does not exist lol.

GAYtheist uses logic aka something that literally cannot be justified in his paradigm because logic is an invariant abstract immaterial concept universal and as it’s necessary for all rational discourse he cannot deny it because to deny logic being universal or untrue is to use logic in of itself. OPs a gay faggot that’s why call them GAYthiests.

They be asking a universal immaterial metaphysical being to show himself by empirical sense data methods… meanwhile an GAYtheist is yet to prove using empirical sense data if sense data is the only way to gain knowledge. This guy relies on his cognitive facilities However such faculaities cannot ground truth because they are encumbant upon chemical reactions and spontaneous neuron activation which doesn’t get the truth but just IS, and therefore he has no way of discerning how he can get objective truth using his facilities therefore knowledge which presupposes reliability of cognitive faculties, logic and Objective truth are all unintelligible and non justifiable in his worldview

Infact free will is an illusion in the atheistic paradigm, if you are beholden to your chemical makeup that means me being religious and you being atheist is entirely the result of your specific neurons and chemical reactions in your brain and this should be an problem because with no God then the universe lacks perposiveness and everything just exists spontaneously with no reason which breaks down value statements and claims such as ethics and even knowledge which breaks down logic etc.

This is called the Folly of the GAYTHEIST and why god wil continue destroy the west for They shall and MUST be punished for turning their back on God, Judges 13:1

@Bl0odKn1ght

 

[Skara]

The Causes Are Unknown there isnt Just No Cause at all I Told you This 3x
Your just being Blatantly Disingenuous or Im Being Trolled

muh muh the reasons are unknown, but they exist! You are dishonest
It’s not that we don’t know yet, but rather a fundamental property of reality.
Quantum events have no hidden variables (local causes).
Bell's theorem leaves no room for your unknown causes. If there were, quantum mechanics would be violated - but all experiments confirm it.

Nobel Prize in Physics 2022

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2022 was awarded jointly to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser and Anton Zeilinger "for experiments with entangled photons, establishing the violation of Bell inequalities and pioneering quantum information science"

www.nobelprize.org

You Cant Read

not an argument

Never implied God Intervened

lie, you said that the earth in the solar system is suitable for life, which means 100% God intervened. This is just an anology

The Cause is Unknown.

it's uncaused

If I See a Car Crash & I Wasent present for the Cause is there no Cause?

Your Misquoting Quantum Physics

false analogy. Road accidents are classical physics, where the causes are fundamentally discoverable
Quantum processes are fundamentally causeless at the level of individual events.
It's not "I don't know the cause", but there is no cause in principle

You
Didn't provide a single scientific source,
Didn't explain how your unknown causes are compatible with Bell's theorem,
You just scream "you're distorting" - like a flat-earther who denies satellites. JFL.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

muh muh the reasons are unknown, but they exist! You are dishonest
It’s not that we don’t know yet, but rather a fundamental property of reality.
Quantum events have no hidden variables (local causes).
Bell's theorem leaves no room for your unknown causes. If there were, quantum mechanics would be violated - but all experiments confirm it.

Nobel Prize in Physics 2022

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2022 was awarded jointly to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser and Anton Zeilinger "for experiments with entangled photons, establishing the violation of Bell inequalities and pioneering quantum information science"

www.nobelprize.org

"Radioactive Decay has an Unkown Cause. It isnt Uncaused"

"While Radioactive Decay appears random and unpredictable on a single atom level, it's not truly "uncaused" in the sense that it doesn't have underlying mechanisms"

not an argument

I Stated my Argument 3x Over but You Just Didnt Read it

lie, you said that the earth in the solar system is suitable for life, which means 100% God intervened. This is just an anology

Go Reread all of my Point on this I never Implied God in any-part of it

false analogy. Road accidents are classical physics, where the causes are fundamentally discoverable
Quantum processes are fundamentally causeless at the level of individual events.
It's not "I don't know the cause", but there is no cause in principle
You
Didn't provide a single scientific source,
Didn't explain how your unknown causes are compatible with Bell's theorem,
You just scream "you're distorting" - like a flat-earther who denies satellites. JFL.

"Radioactive Decay has an Unkown Cause. It isnt Uncaused"

"While Radioactive Decay appears random and unpredictable on a single atom level, it's not truly "uncaused" in the sense that it doesn't have underlying mechanisms"

 

[Skara]

GAYtheist uses logic aka something that literally cannot be justified in his paradigm because logic is an invariant abstract immaterial concept universal and as it’s necessary for all rational discourse he cannot deny it because to deny logic being universal or untrue is to use logic in of itself. OPs a gay faggot that’s why call them GAYthiests.

They be asking a universal immaterial metaphysical being to show himself by empirical sense data methods… meanwhile an GAYtheist is yet to prove using empirical sense data if sense data is the only way to gain knowledge. This guy relies on his cognitive facilities However such faculaities cannot ground truth because they are encumbant upon chemical reactions and spontaneous neuron activation which doesn’t get the truth but just IS, and therefore he has no way of discerning how he can get objective truth using his facilities therefore knowledge which presupposes reliability of cognitive faculties, logic and Objective truth are all unintelligible and non justifiable in his worldview


This is called the Folly of the GAYTHEIST and why god wil continue destroy the west for They shall and MUST be punished for turning their back on God, Judges 13:1

@Bl0odKn1ght

OH, LOOK, ANOTHER GENIUS HAS COME WITH ARGUMENTS FROM THE MIDDLE AGES JFL

You scream about immaterial logic, but you use it yourself to spout this bullshit. Self-criticism is zero.

>GAYtheist can't prove logic

Well, yeah, and you can't prove that your God wasn't invented by schizophrenics 2000 years ago. But that doesn't stop you from believing, right?

>Chemical reactions in the brain are unreliable

Okay, so your "divine insights" are just neuronal glitches from lack of oxygen in the cranium.

You're quoting the Bible as an argument? Seriously? It's like trying to prove the veracity of Harry Potter by quoting from The Prisoner of Azkaban.

 

[Skara]

I Stated my Argument 3x Over but You Just Didnt Read it

these were 3 lies. Debunked this shit with an official site.

Go Reread all of my Point on this I never Implied God in any-part of it

cope, you implied this fag in every part.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

these were 3 lies. Debunked this shit with an official site.

Official Site said Absolutely Nothing

cope, you implied this fag in every part.

Go Reread

 

[Skara]

Official Site said Absolutely Nothing

it's because you can't read

Go Reread

it's enough for your bullshit, i won't reread this. Already destroyed you.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

Official Site said Absolutely Nothing

Go Reread

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

it's enough for your bullshit, i won't reread this. Already destroyed you.

Echo Chamber

 

[Skara]

View attachment 3614327

buy new internet or smth

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

OH, LOOK, ANOTHER GENIUS HAS COME WITH ARGUMENTS FROM THE MIDDLE AGES JFL

You scream about immaterial logic, but you use it yourself to spout this bullshit. Self-criticism is zero.

>GAYtheist can't prove logic

Well, yeah, and you can't prove that your God wasn't invented by schizophrenics 2000 years ago. But that doesn't stop you from believing, right?

>Chemical reactions in the brain are unreliable

Okay, so your "divine insights" are just neuronal glitches from lack of oxygen in the cranium.

You're quoting the Bible as an argument? Seriously? It's like trying to prove the veracity of Harry Potter by quoting from The Prisoner of Azkaban.

Ok doofus the TAG is not a middle age argument you fucking idiot it’s an 19 century argument.


I use immaterial logic… yes because in my paradigm I’m not only beholden to the naturalistic and physical world I believe in the higher realm of forms via the TAG as pointed out by at maximum the confessor I believe that this universe and the principles (logic mathematics etc abstracts that undergird reality) all find their fullfiment in the logoi which finds itself fulfilment in the Logos.

We are not the same you deny non physical empirical things existing which is fallacious on the GAYtheist behalf as you cannot tell me a sense data that tells you all information and knowledge is found by sense data.

I never quoted the Bible as an argument for god I quoted the Bible as the divine reason for why the west where idiots like you live with your GAYthiestic paradigm is now suffering with immigration and degradation.

I just proved God using the transcendental argument.

God is a necessary precondition for logic

X thefore Y

Because as I said before to ground transcendental principles which are abstract invariant universal and constant requires an being or something that fits this criteria, and this “something” has to be an personalised god in order for knowledge to be possible as well as order and purposiveness because knowledge implies an knower by default

Otherwise none of these things actually exist and are arbitrary and therefore your beliefs are irrational and incoherent bullshit which perfectly sums up why GAYthiesm is the most braindead worldview

 

[Skara]

Ok doofus the TAG is not a middle age argument you fucking idiot it’s an 19 century argument.

shit used by plato (4th century BC) was already talking this bullshit, and you chewed it through the pseudo-intellectual nonsense of the 19th century (gigaprogress)

I use immaterial logic… yes because in my paradigm I’m not only beholden to the naturalistic and physical world I believe in the higher realm of forms via the TAG as pointed out by at maximum the confessor I believe that this universe and the principles (logic mathematics etc abstracts that undergird reality) all find their fullfiment in the logoi which finds itself fulfilment in the Logos.

>I believe in the higher world of forms, logos and other mystical bullshit!
cool. and is there evidence of this world of forms? No? Then why tf are you yelling as if this explains anything? JFL at you.

We are not the same you deny non physical empirical things existing which is fallacious on the GAYtheist behalf as you cannot tell me a sense data that tells you all information and knowledge is found by sense data.

And you can't prove that logos isn't a hallucination of your underdeveloped brain. But that doesn't stop you from believing, right?

I never quoted the Bible as an argument for god I quoted the Bible as the divine reason for why the west where idiots like you live with your GAYthiestic paradigm is now suffering with immigration and degradation.

Yes, yes, immigrants, gays and scientists have destroyed your world where the Earth is flat and women are property. COPE HARDER

I just proved for using the transcendental argument.

God is a necessary precondition for logic

Yeah, so before the Bible, everyone thought 2+2=5, and then suddenly Jesus taught them math? LOL.

X thefore Y

Because as I said before to ground transcendental principles which are abstract invariant universal and constant requires an being or something that fits this criteria, and this “something” has to be an personalised god in order for knowledge to be possible as well as order and purposiveness because knowledge implies an knower by default

Otherwise none of these things actually exist and are arbitrary and therefore your beliefs are irrational and incoherent bullshit which perfectly sums up why GAYthiesm is the most braindead worldview

You are proof that religion destroys the brain

 

[Skara]

Ok doofus the TAG is not a middle age argument you fucking idiot it’s an 19 century argument.


I use immaterial logic… yes because in my paradigm I’m not only beholden to the naturalistic and physical world I believe in the higher realm of forms via the TAG as pointed out by at maximum the confessor I believe that this universe and the principles (logic mathematics etc abstracts that undergird reality) all find their fullfiment in the logoi which finds itself fulfilment in the Logos.

We are not the same you deny non physical empirical things existing which is fallacious on the GAYtheist behalf as you cannot tell me a sense data that tells you all information and knowledge is found by sense data.

I never quoted the Bible as an argument for god I quoted the Bible as the divine reason for why the west where idiots like you live with your GAYthiestic paradigm is now suffering with immigration and degradation.

I just proved God using the transcendental argument.

God is a necessary precondition for logic

X thefore Y

Because as I said before to ground transcendental principles which are abstract invariant universal and constant requires an being or something that fits this criteria, and this “something” has to be an personalised god in order for knowledge to be possible as well as order and purposiveness because knowledge implies an knower by default

Otherwise none of these things actually exist and are arbitrary and therefore your beliefs are irrational and incoherent bullshit which perfectly sums up why GAYthiesm is the most braindead worldview

TAG is:
Pouring empty into empty (logic exists, therefore God)
Circular argumentation (God exists because of logic, and logic exists because God)
Completely groundless, zero evidence, only shit

 

[neurosis]

This is called the Folly of the GAYTHEIST and why god wil continue destroy the west for They shall and MUST be punished for turning their back on God, Judges 13:1

lol based

stop trying to persuade them, just let the west collapse

 

[illoan82]

Although no one has proven the existence or absence of God, but He still does not exist. We can say that unicorns live in the depths of our planet, but no one has proven or disproved it, but we all understand that they are not there. The same with God. The burden of proof is a logical concept and it disproves the existence of God. I just destroyed all the arguments of religioncels and agnostics.
and even more so, for 2000 years no one has proven that He exists. This means that He simply does not exist lol.

please kill urself , pleaseee

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

shit used by plato (4th century BC) was already talking this bullshit, and you chewed it through the pseudo-intellectual nonsense of the 19th century (gigaprogress)

>I believe in the higher world of forms, logos and other mystical bullshit!
cool. and is there evidence of this world of forms? No? Then why tf are you yelling as if this explains anything? JFL at you.

And you can't prove that logos isn't a hallucination of your underdeveloped brain. But that doesn't stop you from believing, right?

Yes, yes, immigrants, gays and scientists have destroyed your world where the Earth is flat and women are property. COPE HARDER

Yeah, so before the Bible, everyone thought 2+2=5, and then suddenly Jesus taught them math? LOL.

You are proof that religion destroys the brain

Google is your friend use it and find out your chatting shit. Transcendentals are from Plato true but the specific argument I’m making is not from him learn the difference

Also Plato is ancient not medieval you brainlet

The evidence of the higher realm of forms it the same evidence you have for immaterial abstract entities such as logic mathmatics etc which all exist and undergird reality and the fact they exist in the state they do implies an grounding for such principles it must be patterned off which is the logoi which finds its fulfilment in God.

Once again your belief system doesn’t even allow for these principles to exist yet you use them by borrowing from theistic frameworks sit TF down faggot

And you literally cannot prove your experiences aren’t just mental phantasms which makes knowledge impossible as stated by Rene Descartes I don’t have your issue because I don’t rely entirely on human faculties to discern truth from falsehood my belief in god provides an justifiable coherent explanation for these principles something you lack.

Christianity isn’t based on the Bible, the Bible is an attestation of the faith, only Protestants have this stupid position of the Bible being what Christianity is based off. Transcendetals aren’t either, the Bible is a revelation from god, god revealing himself to us which finds its fulfilment in the Lord Jesus Christ. God simply used the Bible to explain shit to us and guide us however it itself isn’t the source of creation or whatever lol

Your proof that Gaytheism leads to retardation because you cannot refute my points because you know your paradigm leads to incoherency and epistemic dead ends That’s why you cannot justify such principles because if you attempt to do it you’ll fail making them conventions which reduces them to being contingent which we know isn’t true, or state that it just is which isn’t an argument and is in of itself a metaphysical statement you yourself cannot justify or you’ll rely on some bullshit like Mathmatical platonism which just begs the question moving the goal back a point where you’ll then have to explain what accounts for the realm of mathematics yet again not getting out of the conundrum


It’s over for you GAYtheist accept defeat there’s no way you can win this and I have already refuted all your possible responses to my question

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

lol based

stop trying to persuade them, just let the west collapse

I am. I don’t persuade them. God will destroy them, they cry about MUH Islam ethnic invasion. Yet these idiots deny Christ the one true god, yeah they deserve all they get as punishment for upsetting the Lord. So God gave them into their enemies hands

 

[neurosis]

Quantum events have no hidden variables (local causes).
Bell's theorem leaves no room for your unknown causes. If there were, quantum mechanics would be violated - but all experiments confirm it.

Nobel Prize in Physics 2022

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2022 was awarded jointly to Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser and Anton Zeilinger "for experiments with entangled photons, establishing the violation of Bell inequalities and pioneering quantum information science"

www.nobelprize.org

are you a superdeterminist? whats your stance on free will

no trolling pls

 

[Skara]

Google is your friend use it and find out your chatting shit. Transcendentals are from Plato true but the specific argument I’m making is not from him learn the difference

Also Plato is ancient not medieval you brainlet

Even fucking ANCIENT
Nigga you say that 21th century science<some ancient retard

The evidence of the higher realm of forms it the same evidence you have for immaterial abstract entities such as logic mathmatics etc which all exist and undergird reality and the fact they exist in the state they do implies an grounding for such principles it must be patterned off which is the logoi which finds its fulfilment in God.

Once again your belief system doesn’t even allow for these principles to exist yet you use them by borrowing from theistic frameworks sit TF down faggot

And you literally cannot prove your experiences aren’t just mental phantasms which makes knowledge impossible as stated by Rene Descartes I don’t have your issue because I don’t rely entirely on human faculties to discern truth from falsehood my belief in god provides an justifiable coherent explanation for these principles something you lack.

Christianity isn’t based on the Bible, the Bible is an attestation of the faith, only Protestants have this stupid position of the Bible being what Christianity is based off. Transcendetals aren’t either, the Bible is a revelation from god, god revealing himself to us which finds its fulfilment in the Lord Jesus Christ. God simply used the Bible to explain shit to us and guide us however it itself isn’t the source of creation or whatever lol

Your proof that Gaytheism leads to retardation because you cannot refute my points because you know your paradigm leads to incoherency and epistemic dead ends That’s why you cannot justify such principles because if you attempt to do it you’ll fail making them conventions which reduces them to being contingent which we know isn’t true, or state that it just is which isn’t an argument and is in of itself a metaphysical statement you yourself cannot justify or you’ll rely on some bullshit like Mathmatical platonism which just begs the question moving the goal back a point where you’ll then have to explain what accounts for the realm of mathematics yet again not getting out of the conundrum


It’s over for you GAYtheist accept defeat there’s no way you can win this and I have already refuted all your possible responses to my question

Lmao imagine needing sky daddy to explain math Plato’s cope for nerds who can’t handle atoms go brrr. “Higher realm of forms” my ass—abstracts exist cuz brains evolved to model reality, not cuz ghost logic in the clouds. Descartes’ demon? Cool story, still can’t prove YOUR god isn’t a brainfart. Atheism owns logic by *using* it, not worshipping it. “Logoi” ? Nah, it’s called *emergence*, brainlet.

Euthyphro-dunk: God either obeys math or invents it. If he obeys, math > god. If he invents, 2+2=5 if he’s moody. Checkmate. Your “grounding” is just word salad. Stay mad, thots and prayers won’t fix your circular logic. Cope harder.

 

[Skara]

lol based

stop trying to persuade them, just let the west collapse

The west might collapse due to cuckservatives abd other rightists because they ruin everything and chose trump (Autocrat and populist)

 

[neurosis]

abstracts exist cuz brains evolved to model reality

evolution selects for fitness, not truth/reality

read donald hoffmans work

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Even fucking ANCIENT
Nigga you say that 21th century science<some ancient retard

Lmao imagine needing sky daddy to explain math Plato’s cope for nerds who can’t handle atoms go brrr. “Higher realm of forms” my ass—abstracts exist cuz brains evolved to model reality, not cuz ghost logic in the clouds. Descartes’ demon? Cool story, still can’t prove YOUR god isn’t a brainfart. Atheism owns logic by *using* it, not worshipping it. “Logoi” ? Nah, it’s called *emergence*, brainlet.

Euthyphro-dunk: God either obeys math or invents it. If he obeys, math > god. If he invents, 2+2=5 if he’s moody. Checkmate. Your “grounding” is just word salad. Stay mad, thots and prayers won’t fix your circular logic. Cope harder.

*Drops mic in naturalism*

Science relies on preconditions and induction which both fall into philosophy such as identity over time etc so even using science won’t save you

God creates mathmatics as creation is a reflection of the divine mind god is not beholden to logic or mathematics for he is ontologically above them for they come from him however he can do things that may be “Contradictory” to us due to antinomy because we are created and must obey the created realm rules and laws which god is not beholden 2.

So your point relies on god being beholden to the fundamental rules of our metaphysical reality which he is not for he is the one that structured and created our metaphysical reality with his intellect/Word being the Lord Jesus Christ who through all things are made.


I take it you have given up if this is your only response to my argument so I’ll happily take my victory crown and walk away @Bl0odKn1ght summoned me here like some high ranking jutzu from Natuto

@PsychoH @JasGews69x @neurosis @BlameAdamAndEve @Ultimate Subhuman™ @vrilmaxxer this idiot couldn’t reply to a single argument I made in our entire dialogue lol

 

[Skara]

are you a superdeterminist? whats your stance on free will

no trolling pls

No such thing

 

[neurosis]

No such thing

so youre a superdeterminist?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

evolution selects for fitness, not truth/reality

read donald hoffmans work

You should had also said if abstracts are based on the particular (human individual) brains that means they are all CONTINGENT and lose their invariance and universality that makes them constant. This means they are contingent which is retarded as “logic” “mathmatics” “space time” are continuous and present in the same way throughout all human history. Even if people may count in different decimals or measure time differently the reality is that space time and mathmatics are both existent in the same fundenentslly way regardless of nation or particular making it a universal which refutes the idiots statement

 

[autistic_tendencies]

We are an intelligent amalgamation of the 4 elements earth wind water and fire , and wood

 

[Skara]

Science relies on preconditions and induction which both fall into philosophy such as identity over time etc so even using science won’t save you

God creates mathmatics as creation is a reflection of the divine mind god is not beholden to logic or mathematics for he is ontologically above them for they come from him however he can do things that may be “Contradictory” to us due to antinomy because we are created and must obey the created realm rules and laws which god is not beholden 2.

So your point relies on god being beholden to the fundamental rules of our metaphysical reality which he is not for he is the one that structured and created our metaphysical reality with his intellect/Word being the Lord Jesus Christ who through all things are made.


I take it you have given up if this is your only response to my argument so I’ll happily take my victory crown and walk away @Bl0odKn1ght summoned me here like some high ranking jutzu from Natuto

@PsychoH @JasGews69x @neurosis @BlameAdamAndEve @Ultimate Subhuman™ @vrilmaxxer this idiot couldn’t reply to a single argument I made in our entire dialogue lol

Lmao, "God’s above logic" — classic cope for when your theology hits a dead end . If math/logic are just his *whims*, then 2+2=5 if he’s bored, and your entire argument implodes into word shit. Either logic is *above* God (making him irrelevant) or he’s a chaotic sky tyrant (making knowledge impossible). Cope harder

"Science relies on philosophy" — no shit, but at least it **works** . Your "divine mind" can’t even explain why your WiFi drops. Science builds iPhones; theology builds circular excuses. "Antinomy"? Nah, that’s just intellectual surrender — "God does nonsense because *reasons*" isn’t an argument, it’s a cope

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Lmao, "God’s above logic" — classic cope for when your theology hits a dead end . If math/logic are just his *whims*, then 2+2=5 if he’s bored, and your entire argument implodes into word shit. Either logic is *above* God (making him irrelevant) or he’s a chaotic sky tyrant (making knowledge impossible). Cope harder

"Science relies on philosophy" — no shit, but at least it **works** . Your "divine mind" can’t even explain why your WiFi drops. Science builds iPhones; theology builds circular excuses. "Antinomy"? Nah, that’s just intellectual surrender — "God does nonsense because *reasons*" isn’t an argument, it’s a cope

It’s not a dead end what we know as logically possible for us isn’t the same for God a metaphysical being beyond our realm of existence . is contingent on our experiences as creatures in the created realm.

God is not beholden to such a realm thefore as I said via Antinomy god isn’t beholden to logic nor does he go against logic. Fucking Google what the word means and you’ll learn something instead of spouting nonsense

An example would be 4D vs 3d. What’s possible for 4D creatures isn’t possible for us and thus would be illogical however it is only antinomically contradictory because both conclusions are true

God created and structured the universe and the principles the creatures rely on are part of that creation, idiot because creation is an reflection of the divine mind

Your dumbass thinks I worship the principles which is retarded, I worship the Logos not
The Logoi, principles and creatures you strawmanning dumbass bitch

You trying to argue with me, you even using science presupposes a foundation, a precondition for those things. This is a meta level question one about the precondition for all you mentioned to even exist and that is God. So you ended up proving God with your last statement

Thanks retard

 

[Skara]

It’s not a dead end what we know as logically possible for us isn’t the same for God a metaphysical being beyond our realm of existence . is contingent on our experiences as creatures in the created realm.

God is not beholden to such a realm thefore as I said via Antinomy god isn’t beholden to logic nor does he go against logic. Fucking Google what the word means and you’ll learn something instead of spouting nonsense

An example would be 4D vs 3d. What’s possible for 4D creatures isn’t possible for us and thus would be illogical however it is only antinomically contradictory because both conclusions are true

God created and structured the universe and the principles the creatures rely on are part of that creation, idiot because creation is an reflection of the divine mind

Your dumbass thinks I worship the principles which is retarded, I worship the Logos not
The Logoi, principles and creatures you strawmanning dumbass bitch

You trying to argue with me, you even using science presupposes a foundation, a precondition for those things. This is a meta level question one about the precondition for all you mentioned to even exist and that is God. So you ended up proving God with your last statement

Thanks retard

Jfl "4D vs 3D" — nigger thinks god’s a Minecraft modder . If your god’s logic is "antinomic," then saying anything about him is like explaining TikTok to an oldcel — meaningless noise. Congrats, you’ve reduced theology to God does Backrooms glitches


If god invents logic then math is his fanfic (2+2= if he’s quirky).
If logic’s independent then fod’s a cosmic janitor mopping floors he didn’t build.

"4D creatures break 3D logic"? No, even 4D follows rule — you’re just simping for divine plot holes. "Antinomy" = *"I can’t explain this, so God did a oopsie"* .

"Science needs God as foundation"? **Then why does your WiFi work without Jesus’s blessing?** Nature runs on physics, not your cringe *"divine mind"* cope. GPS? Vaccines? All built on atheist-friendly equations, not prayers.

You worship "Logos"? Cool, but if Jesus coded reality, he either obeys his own code(logic > god), or cheats like a fortnite hacker.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Jfl "4D vs 3D" — nigger thinks god’s a Minecraft modder . If your god’s logic is "antinomic," then saying anything about him is like explaining TikTok to an oldcel — meaningless noise. Congrats, you’ve reduced theology to God does Backrooms glitches


If god invents logic then math is his fanfic (2+2= if he’s quirky).
If logic’s independent then fod’s a cosmic janitor mopping floors he didn’t build.
Pick: **Chaotic Neutral God** or **Unemployed Celestial**.

"4D creatures break 3D logic"? No, even 4D follows rule — you’re just simping for divine plot holes. "Antinomy" = *"I can’t explain this, so God did a oopsie"* .

"Science needs God as foundation"? **Then why does your WiFi work without Jesus’s blessing?** Nature runs on physics, not your cringe *"divine mind"* cope. GPS? Vaccines? All built on atheist-friendly equations, not prayers.

You worship "Logos"? Cool, but if Jesus coded reality, he either obeys his own code(logic > god), or cheats like a fortnite hacker.

No im saying that is omnipotent that’s the argument im positing and its too much for your little brain so your not on panic mode

God invented and created all nothing more nothing less and all these things find its fulfilment in God as they are a reflection of his divine mind thanks

4D followes rules but the rules for 4D reality are contradictory to the rules in our 3D reality that’s the point are you fucking retarded? This is so simple a 16 year old could understand the point

This is a catagory error science to use WiFi presupposes metaphysics. Science relies on honesty, integrity, and the pursuit of truth, scientists like Issac Newton, Kepler, and Maxwell saw their scientific work as uncovering the rational order established by God. So the deeper question is Why do the laws of physics exist at all? Why are they consistent and intelligible? God is not a competing force within physics but the foundation that makes physics possible.

It’s like asking if WiFi works without belief in Maxwells equations mean that his equations don’t exist. Ofc not, so science working without conscious reference to God mean God isn’t the foundation of order? Not necessarily.

God coded reality and reality is below him. If you meet a game dev ask them are they beholden to the universe they created? Yeah there’s your answer fucking idiot

 

[Skara]

No im saying that is omnipotent that’s the argument im positing and its too much for your little brain so your not on panic mode

God invented and created all nothing more nothing less and all these things find its fulfilment in God as they are a reflection of his divine mind thanks

4D followes rules but the rules for 4D reality are contradictory to the rules in our 3D reality that’s the point are you fucking retarded? This is so simple a 16 year old could understand the point

This is a catagory error science to use WiFi presupposes metaphysics. Science relies on honesty, integrity, and the pursuit of truth, scientists like Issac Newton, Kepler, and Maxwell saw their scientific work as uncovering the rational order established by God. So the deeper question is Why do the laws of physics exist at all? Why are they consistent and intelligible? God is not a competing force within physics but the foundation that makes physics possible.

It’s like asking if WiFi works without belief in Maxwells equations mean that his equations don’t exist. Ofc not, so science working without conscious reference to God mean God isn’t the foundation of order? Not necessarily.

God coded reality and reality is below him. If you meet a game dev ask them are they beholden to the universe they created? Yeah there’s your answer fucking idiot

 

[Skara]

No im saying that is omnipotent that’s the argument im positing and its too much for your little brain so your not on panic mode

God invented and created all nothing more nothing less and all these things find its fulfilment in God as they are a reflection of his divine mind thanks

4D followes rules but the rules for 4D reality are contradictory to the rules in our 3D reality that’s the point are you fucking retarded? This is so simple a 16 year old could understand the point

This is a catagory error science to use WiFi presupposes metaphysics. Science relies on honesty, integrity, and the pursuit of truth, scientists like Issac Newton, Kepler, and Maxwell saw their scientific work as uncovering the rational order established by God. So the deeper question is Why do the laws of physics exist at all? Why are they consistent and intelligible? God is not a competing force within physics but the foundation that makes physics possible.

It’s like asking if WiFi works without belief in Maxwells equations mean that his equations don’t exist. Ofc not, so science working without conscious reference to God mean God isn’t the foundation of order? Not necessarily.

God coded reality and reality is below him. If you meet a game dev ask them are they beholden to the universe they created? Yeah there’s your answer fucking idiot

Hyperbullshit it's insane. Lmao your god’s “beyond logic” shtick is just cope for when your theology hits a glitch If he’s above logic, calling him “god” is as meaningful as a Fortnite kid screaming “plot armor” — pure cringe. 4D rules? Bro, even 4D needs math — your analogy’s weaker than a dial-up connection

Game devs code within logic or their game crashes — your sky dev’s “antinomy” is just divine CTRL+Z when his plot holes show. Newton simped for alchemy too, doesn’t make it true — WiFi works without Yahweh’s firmware update jfl

 

[Skara]

No im saying that is omnipotent that’s the argument im positing and its too much for your little brain so your not on panic mode

God invented and created all nothing more nothing less and all these things find its fulfilment in God as they are a reflection of his divine mind thanks

4D followes rules but the rules for 4D reality are contradictory to the rules in our 3D reality that’s the point are you fucking retarded? This is so simple a 16 year old could understand the point

This is a catagory error science to use WiFi presupposes metaphysics. Science relies on honesty, integrity, and the pursuit of truth, scientists like Issac Newton, Kepler, and Maxwell saw their scientific work as uncovering the rational order established by God. So the deeper question is Why do the laws of physics exist at all? Why are they consistent and intelligible? God is not a competing force within physics but the foundation that makes physics possible.

It’s like asking if WiFi works without belief in Maxwells equations mean that his equations don’t exist. Ofc not, so science working without conscious reference to God mean God isn’t the foundation of order? Not necessarily.

God coded reality and reality is below him. If you meet a game dev ask them are they beholden to the universe they created? Yeah there’s your answer fucking idiot

god being beyond logic destroy your own logic

 

[ricecel102]

Although no one has proven the existence or absence of God, but He still does not exist. We can say that unicorns live in the depths of our planet, but no one has proven or disproved it, but we all understand that they are not there. The same with God. The burden of proof is a logical concept and it disproves the existence of God. I just destroyed all the arguments of religioncels and agnostics.
and even more so, for 2000 years no one has proven that He exists. This means that He simply does not exist lol.

Idk why people on this forum has such a problem with God considering he is something positive

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

I take it you have given up if this is your only response to my argument so I’ll happily take my victory crown and walk away @

@Bl0odKn1ght summoned me here like some high ranking jutzu from Natuto

You destroyed this «Jewish femboy»

 

[Skara]

You destroyed this «Jewish femboy»

He destroyed my dick by sucking it at best