Why HGH is cope and will NOT work for you!!!! (HGH USERS GTFIH!!!)

A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections.

It won’t.

Why?

Let’s get into this


1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works

Human growth hormone (HGH), also called somatotropin, is a hormone that the pituitary gland, which is about the size of a pea and found at the base of your brain, makes and releases

Its main job?

Human growth hormone triggers growth in almost every tissue and organ in your body. It’s mostly known for its growth-promoting effect on cartilage and bone, especially in puberty. Cells in cartilage called chondrocytes and cells in bones called osteoblasts, receive signals from HGH to increase replication and thus allow for growth in size.


2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show

People often cite studies claiming “HGH increases height.” Let’s clarify what these studies actually studied.

Most research involves children who are GH-deficient children who cannot produce normal levels of GH due to medical conditions. Examples:




VERY Important: These studies are on children who are medically short due to GH deficiency, and do NOT produce enough HGH not normal kids. The effect is correcting a deficiency, not surpassing genetic potential.



Some other studies explore ISS (Idiopathic Short Stature):


B-B-But ISS Children Grew Taller why can’t i?

Let’s clarify: ISS children are not short simply because of genetics. ISS is defined as short stature without a known cause, that INCLUDES GENETICS and many children diagnosed as having ISS have partial GH insensitivity (Evidence: Idiopathic short stature)

Bottom line: if you are within normal growth ranges and are not diagnosed as ISS, these studies do NOT apply to you.


3. Why HGH does NOT work for healthy normal children with PROOF

For children with normal growth hormone (GH) levels, exogenous GH administration cannot increase final adult height. Here’s why:



  • GH does not create new growth potential.
    The growth plates in long bones experience linear growth through their epiphyseal plates. The genetic code determines both number and proliferative capacity of chondrocytes present at these growth plates. GH promotes the growth of chondrocytes and their development into mature cells, yet it cannot boost these cells' genetic-based growth capacity beyond their existing limits.
  • GH cannot override genetic determinants of stature.
    Height is a polygenic trait which multiple genetic loci control its development. The treatment of GH-sufficient children with GH therapy does not affect their gene expression or the genetic skeletal structure which their genome contains.
  • Endocrine feedback loops limit excessive growth signaling.
    The GH–IGF-1 axis is tightly regulated:
    • Elevated serum IGF-1 inhibits hypothalamic GHRH secretion and stimulates somatostatin release, reducing endogenous GH production.
    • Peripheral tissues exhibit receptor-mediated resistance to supra-physiologic GH and IGF-1 concentrations, limiting further cellular proliferation.
  • Physiologic ceiling effect.
    In GH-sufficient children, endogenous GH already saturates IGF-1 production and downstream growth plate signaling. Exogenous GH cannot enhance this process; the system is operating at maximal physiological capacity. Clinical evidence and studies supports these claims: children with normal GH levels do not achieve increased adult height despite high-dose GH administration
EVIDENCE AND STUDIES ON NORMAL KIDS:

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PMC

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002234769470192X

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PubMed



Analogy (for conceptual clarity): Imagine a plant with genetically fixed maximum height. Adequate water and nutrients allow it to reach its potential. Adding more water beyond what it can physiologically use does not make it grow taller; it may even disrupt normal growth processes.

Summary: GH in healthy, non-deficient children simply optimizes a process that is already at capacity. There is no latent or “hidden” height to unlock the endocrine system and growth plates are already functioning at their maximum biological limits.


4. Why people think it works!!!!!!

This is where most people get fooled and start to think it’s working.

HGH can TEMPORARILY increase growth rate (as seen in the studies). You grow faster for a period, but it does NOT increase final adult height. Your genetic height ceiling remains THE SAME. In the end you will grow the same without HGH.


5. What you actually get and are paying for: Side Effects

Injecting ratpiss HGH from Chinese labs is retarded and will NOT work all you are paying for are potential risks including:

  • Insulin resistance
  • Increased risk of type 2 diabetes
  • Fluid retention and edema
  • Joint pain
  • Carpal tunnel syndrome
  • Hip growth plate injury
  • Benign intracranial hypertension (severe headaches and vision changes)
  • Abnormal IGF‑1 elevations
  • Theoretical increased cancer risk due to chronic IGF‑1 stimulation
​

6. Summary

HGH only works in:

  • Documented GH deficiency
  • Select ISS cases


HGH does NOT:

  • Make normal kids taller than their genetics allow
  • Extend growth plates
  • Increase final adult height
  • Create height out of nowhere
If you do not have a diagnosed condition, you will not gain any adult height you will only get side effects.

The truth?: There is no hack around genetics. Injecting Chinese ratpiss HGH is expensive, unnecessary, and retarded.



Biology does not care about your retarded cope.
 
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cometohaunted said:
I'm well within the healthy bmi range, thanks for the ad hominem though grey:owo:
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Muh grey yet I still verifymog you and post-to-rep mog you

You used ad hominem wrong btw, this is the second time I've seen you use a fallacy wrong. Just so you know "ad homimem" refers to when someone insults another as reasonf or their argument

For example, I'll give you an easy one so you can understand it "you're fat so you know nothing about working out or you would have done it" this is most likely true, yet it is still an ad hominem since I would be pointing out some sort of characteristic about you instead of the argument you would have made

Me calling you overweight or pizza-faced is just me insulting you because I dislike you and ur retarded

“Also chondrocyte proliferation and hypetrophy alongside the zones of physis are like basic knowledge factors.. I'm not sure if you were trying to flex them but that really isn't a flex..”

This is what you said in a reply to me before.

I hope you realize the the hypertrophic zone is a zone as apart of the physis used for longitudal growth, "hondrocyte proliferation and hypetrophy alongside the zones of physis" doesn't even make sense

At least you chatgpt like I asked you too bro
 
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cometohaunted said:
You started hgh a lot earlier than most do
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im actually pretty late, hgh after 16 is very much just useless unless ur puberty is exceptionally late.

cometohaunted said:
that's a really high dosage:trepidation:
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not really considering its not pharma grade cus i cant afford it yet.
and i think even with pharma grade if ur any older than 12 u should go on supraphysiological dosages
and btw anything below 10 ius is just gonna stunt growth and if u agree otherwise then no wonder u think hgh is cope
 
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not really considering its not pharma grade cus i cant afford it yet.
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Pharmacrade and grey hgh are practically the same
copecel4 said:
im actually pretty late, hgh after 16 is very much just useless unless ur puberty is exceptionally late.
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It is yes, but not when you run doses in the 20s
copecel4 said:
and i think even with pharma grade if ur any older than 12 u should go on supraphysiological dosages
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What????
Your practically unironically touching acromegaly numbers

copecel4 said:
and btw anything below 10 ius is just gonna stunt growth and if u agree otherwise then no wonder u think hgh is cope
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You're right that hgh doses too low stunt your natural production, but anything above 6iu is alot.
 
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Pharmacrade and grey hgh are practically the same
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not really, the coa's grey vendors provide are all purity tests only, so yeah, the purity may be the same in both (which even that is rare, grey hgh almost always has a purity of 97% tops), but the thing is, purity alone isnt enough to determine quality. there's a bunch of other factors that grey vendors dont give a flying fuck about since they know that most retards who order their hgh will only be looking for purity tests and thats it.

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It is yes, but not when you run doses in the 20s
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it really just varies from one person to another. my point is that growth plates are usually in a prefusion state at that age, so there wouldn't be enough window for growth. but as i said it varies u could still be 17 with wide open growth plates it really just varies so yeah i was partially wrong here. its not the case for all people.

Ahmed88 said:
What????
Your practically unironically touching acromegaly numbers
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no, people underestimate how hard it actually is to get acromegaly you'd need to be running 30-50 ius of Pharmagrade HGH for 3-5 years, still that doesnt apply to everyone. Genetics do play a big role.
Ahmed88 said:
You're right that hgh doses too low stunt your natural production, but anything above 6iu is alot.
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thats a huge misconception, 6 ius is a lot in adults who have already gone through epiphyseal closure. But in adolescents things aren't really the same. You have to use a MINIMUM of 10 ius not to be stunting ur growth. obv you won't stay as healthy, you'll have to trade some years off ur life, but i see it as a fair trade
 
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laplacist said:
Muh grey yet I still verifymog you and post-to-rep mog you

You used ad hominem wrong btw, this is the second time I've seen you use a fallacy wrong. Just so you know "ad homimem" refers to when someone insults another as reasonf or their argument

For example, I'll give you an easy one so you can understand it "you're fat so you know nothing about working out or you would have done it" this is most likely true, yet it is still an ad hominem since I would be pointing out some sort of characteristic about you instead of the argument you would have made

Me calling you overweight or pizza-faced is just me insulting you because I dislike you and ur retarded

“Also chondrocyte proliferation and hypetrophy alongside the zones of physis are like basic knowledge factors.. I'm not sure if you were trying to flex them but that really isn't a flex..”

This is what you said in a reply to me before.

I hope you realize the the hypertrophic zone is a zone as apart of the physis used for longitudal growth, "hondrocyte proliferation and hypetrophy alongside the zones of physis" doesn't even make sense

At least you chatgpt like I asked you too bro
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lol I love when people on looksmax.org try to educate me on philosophical terms/concepts knowing they don't know shit about the topic.

Firstly that fallacy isn't an ad hominem, that's simply a tu-quoque mixed with the genetic fallacy. An ad hominem is attacking the person rather than their argument, which is objectively what you did.

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laplacist said:
I hope you realize the the hypertrophic zone is a zone as apart of the physis used for longitudal growth, "hondrocyte proliferation and hypetrophy alongside the zones of physis" doesn't even make sense

At least you chatgpt like I asked you too bro
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Could you quote this?
laplacist said:
Muh grey yet I still verifymog you
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This is unbelievably corny haha
 
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lol I love when people on looksmax.org try to educate me on philosophical terms/concepts knowing they don't know shit about the topic.

Firstly that fallacy isn't an ad hominem, that's simply a tu-quoque mixed with the genetic fallacy. An ad hominem is attacking the person rather than their argument, which is objectively what you did.

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Could you quote this?

This is unbelievably corny haha
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What substance?? I insulted you lmfao "nice ad hominemmmss brooo"

I'm putting you on permament ignore, also I know 100x more on philosophy than you :lul:

Wait until you realize logical fallacies are errors in reasoning

I'm caging
 
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laplacist said:
What substance?? I insulted you lmfao "nice ad hominemmmss brooo"

I'm putting you on permament ignore, also I know 100x more on philosophy than you :lul:

Wait until you realize logical fallacies are errors in reasoning

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Logical fallacies aren't "errors" in reasoning reducibly, a better word is that they're FLAWS in reasoning. If the refutation to someone's argument is an insult that is a flawed rebuttal. A rebuttal is a reasoning for disagreeing with a proposition.:forcedsmile:

Nice ignore tho, you definitely don't know philosophy either LOL 99.9% (and I'm not exaggerating at all) of people on this forum know nothing about logical/analytical reasoning and that's why this is such a shit community that won't grow in terms of helping each other.
 
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Logical fallacies aren't "errors" in reasoning reducibly, a better word is that they're FLAWS in reasoning.
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flaws and errors arent mutually exclusive
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If the refutation to someone's argument is an insult that is a flawed rebuttal.
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no, nobody considers it a rebuttal
cometohaunted said:
A rebuttal is a reasoning for disagreeing with a proposition.:forcedsmile:
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it doesnt have to be a full piece of reasoning by itself, it can just simply point out a contradiction
 
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idk what y'all are on, but hgh does work BUT not on its own, you would need to pair it with skeldev for example to get the benefits even tho you produce enough, because our ancestors produced way more than we do now.
 
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idk what y'all are on, but hgh does work BUT not on its own, you would need to pair it with skeldev for example to get the benefits even tho you produce enough, because our ancestors produced way more than we do now.
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Ahmed88 said:
A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections.

It won’t.

Why?

Let’s get into this


1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works

Human growth hormone (HGH), also called somatotropin, is a hormone that the pituitary gland, which is about the size of a pea and found at the base of your brain, makes and releases

Its main job?

Human growth hormone triggers growth in almost every tissue and organ in your body. It’s mostly known for its growth-promoting effect on cartilage and bone, especially in puberty. Cells in cartilage called chondrocytes and cells in bones called osteoblasts, receive signals from HGH to increase replication and thus allow for growth in size.


2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show

People often cite studies claiming “HGH increases height.” Let’s clarify what these studies actually studied.

Most research involves children who are GH-deficient children who cannot produce normal levels of GH due to medical conditions. Examples:




VERY Important: These studies are on children who are medically short due to GH deficiency, and do NOT produce enough HGH not normal kids. The effect is correcting a deficiency, not surpassing genetic potential.



Some other studies explore ISS (Idiopathic Short Stature):


B-B-But ISS Children Grew Taller why can’t i?

Let’s clarify: ISS children are not short simply because of genetics. ISS is defined as short stature without a known cause, that INCLUDES GENETICS and many children diagnosed as having ISS have partial GH insensitivity (Evidence: Idiopathic short stature)

Bottom line: if you are within normal growth ranges and are not diagnosed as ISS, these studies do NOT apply to you.


3. Why HGH does NOT work for healthy normal children with PROOF

For children with normal growth hormone (GH) levels, exogenous GH administration cannot increase final adult height. Here’s why:



  • GH does not create new growth potential.
    The growth plates in long bones experience linear growth through their epiphyseal plates. The genetic code determines both number and proliferative capacity of chondrocytes present at these growth plates. GH promotes the growth of chondrocytes and their development into mature cells, yet it cannot boost these cells' genetic-based growth capacity beyond their existing limits.
  • GH cannot override genetic determinants of stature.
    Height is a polygenic trait which multiple genetic loci control its development. The treatment of GH-sufficient children with GH therapy does not affect their gene expression or the genetic skeletal structure which their genome contains.
  • Endocrine feedback loops limit excessive growth signaling.
    The GH–IGF-1 axis is tightly regulated:
    • Elevated serum IGF-1 inhibits hypothalamic GHRH secretion and stimulates somatostatin release, reducing endogenous GH production.
    • Peripheral tissues exhibit receptor-mediated resistance to supra-physiologic GH and IGF-1 concentrations, limiting further cellular proliferation.
  • Physiologic ceiling effect.
    In GH-sufficient children, endogenous GH already saturates IGF-1 production and downstream growth plate signaling. Exogenous GH cannot enhance this process; the system is operating at maximal physiological capacity. Clinical evidence and studies supports these claims: children with normal GH levels do not achieve increased adult height despite high-dose GH administration
EVIDENCE AND STUDIES ON NORMAL KIDS:

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PMC

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002234769470192X

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PubMed



Analogy (for conceptual clarity): Imagine a plant with genetically fixed maximum height. Adequate water and nutrients allow it to reach its potential. Adding more water beyond what it can physiologically use does not make it grow taller; it may even disrupt normal growth processes.

Summary: GH in healthy, non-deficient children simply optimizes a process that is already at capacity. There is no latent or “hidden” height to unlock the endocrine system and growth plates are already functioning at their maximum biological limits.


4. Why people think it works!!!!!!

This is where most people get fooled and start to think it’s working.

HGH can TEMPORARILY increase growth rate (as seen in the studies). You grow faster for a period, but it does NOT increase final adult height. Your genetic height ceiling remains THE SAME. In the end you will grow the same without HGH.


5. What you actually get and are paying for: Side Effects

Injecting ratpiss HGH from Chinese labs is retarded and will NOT work all you are paying for are potential risks including:

  • Insulin resistance
  • Increased risk of type 2 diabetes
  • Fluid retention and edema
  • Joint pain
  • Carpal tunnel syndrome
  • Hip growth plate injury
  • Benign intracranial hypertension (severe headaches and vision changes)
  • Abnormal IGF‑1 elevations
  • Theoretical increased cancer risk due to chronic IGF‑1 stimulation
​

6. Summary

HGH only works in:

  • Documented GH deficiency
  • Select ISS cases


HGH does NOT:

  • Make normal kids taller than their genetics allow
  • Extend growth plates
  • Increase final adult height
  • Create height out of nowhere
If you do not have a diagnosed condition, you will not gain any adult height you will only get side effects.

The truth?: There is no hack around genetics. Injecting Chinese ratpiss HGH is expensive, unnecessary, and retarded.



Biology does not care about your retarded cope.
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how often u supposed to pin?
 
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it isnt cope yall just use it from grey market wich costs 500$ or less and is from china yhr real one is called jintropin and its american, it costs 2500$ for 1 month cycle
 
Ahmed88 said:
A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections.

It won’t.

Why?

Let’s get into this


1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works

Human growth hormone (HGH), also called somatotropin, is a hormone that the pituitary gland, which is about the size of a pea and found at the base of your brain, makes and releases

Its main job?

Human growth hormone triggers growth in almost every tissue and organ in your body. It’s mostly known for its growth-promoting effect on cartilage and bone, especially in puberty. Cells in cartilage called chondrocytes and cells in bones called osteoblasts, receive signals from HGH to increase replication and thus allow for growth in size.


2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show

People often cite studies claiming “HGH increases height.” Let’s clarify what these studies actually studied.

Most research involves children who are GH-deficient children who cannot produce normal levels of GH due to medical conditions. Examples:




VERY Important: These studies are on children who are medically short due to GH deficiency, and do NOT produce enough HGH not normal kids. The effect is correcting a deficiency, not surpassing genetic potential.



Some other studies explore ISS (Idiopathic Short Stature):


B-B-But ISS Children Grew Taller why can’t i?

Let’s clarify: ISS children are not short simply because of genetics. ISS is defined as short stature without a known cause, that INCLUDES GENETICS and many children diagnosed as having ISS have partial GH insensitivity (Evidence: Idiopathic short stature)

Bottom line: if you are within normal growth ranges and are not diagnosed as ISS, these studies do NOT apply to you.


3. Why HGH does NOT work for healthy normal children with PROOF

For children with normal growth hormone (GH) levels, exogenous GH administration cannot increase final adult height. Here’s why:



  • GH does not create new growth potential.
    The growth plates in long bones experience linear growth through their epiphyseal plates. The genetic code determines both number and proliferative capacity of chondrocytes present at these growth plates. GH promotes the growth of chondrocytes and their development into mature cells, yet it cannot boost these cells' genetic-based growth capacity beyond their existing limits.
  • GH cannot override genetic determinants of stature.
    Height is a polygenic trait which multiple genetic loci control its development. The treatment of GH-sufficient children with GH therapy does not affect their gene expression or the genetic skeletal structure which their genome contains.
  • Endocrine feedback loops limit excessive growth signaling.
    The GH–IGF-1 axis is tightly regulated:
    • Elevated serum IGF-1 inhibits hypothalamic GHRH secretion and stimulates somatostatin release, reducing endogenous GH production.
    • Peripheral tissues exhibit receptor-mediated resistance to supra-physiologic GH and IGF-1 concentrations, limiting further cellular proliferation.
  • Physiologic ceiling effect.
    In GH-sufficient children, endogenous GH already saturates IGF-1 production and downstream growth plate signaling. Exogenous GH cannot enhance this process; the system is operating at maximal physiological capacity. Clinical evidence and studies supports these claims: children with normal GH levels do not achieve increased adult height despite high-dose GH administration
EVIDENCE AND STUDIES ON NORMAL KIDS:

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PMC

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002234769470192X

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PubMed



Analogy (for conceptual clarity): Imagine a plant with genetically fixed maximum height. Adequate water and nutrients allow it to reach its potential. Adding more water beyond what it can physiologically use does not make it grow taller; it may even disrupt normal growth processes.

Summary: GH in healthy, non-deficient children simply optimizes a process that is already at capacity. There is no latent or “hidden” height to unlock the endocrine system and growth plates are already functioning at their maximum biological limits.


4. Why people think it works!!!!!!

This is where most people get fooled and start to think it’s working.

HGH can TEMPORARILY increase growth rate (as seen in the studies). You grow faster for a period, but it does NOT increase final adult height. Your genetic height ceiling remains THE SAME. In the end you will grow the same without HGH.


5. What you actually get and are paying for: Side Effects

Injecting ratpiss HGH from Chinese labs is retarded and will NOT work all you are paying for are potential risks including:

  • Insulin resistance
  • Increased risk of type 2 diabetes
  • Fluid retention and edema
  • Joint pain
  • Carpal tunnel syndrome
  • Hip growth plate injury
  • Benign intracranial hypertension (severe headaches and vision changes)
  • Abnormal IGF‑1 elevations
  • Theoretical increased cancer risk due to chronic IGF‑1 stimulation
​

6. Summary

HGH only works in:

  • Documented GH deficiency
  • Select ISS cases


HGH does NOT:

  • Make normal kids taller than their genetics allow
  • Extend growth plates
  • Increase final adult height
  • Create height out of nowhere
If you do not have a diagnosed condition, you will not gain any adult height you will only get side effects.

The truth?: There is no hack around genetics. Injecting Chinese ratpiss HGH is expensive, unnecessary, and retarded.



Biology does not care about your retarded cope.
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I dont give a shit abt genetics since everyone in my family is either 160cm or 195cm so its a gamble at this point. Im hgh deficient as hell so im expecting growth from this ratpiss I got😹
 
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I dont give a shit abt genetics since everyone in my family is either 160cm or 195cm so its a gamble at this point. Im hgh deficient as hell so im expecting growth from this ratpiss I got😹
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Right...
You're genetics are mostly from your mother and father....

You're probably not hgh deficient, because you would be running pharma hgh, not ratpiss made in the slums of china

HGH could contribute to making you shirter too

So it's safe to assume you're landing in the 165cm range
 
Ahmed88 said:
Right...
You're genetics are mostly from your mother and father....

You're probably not hgh deficient, because you would be running pharma hgh, not ratpiss made in the slums of china

HGH could contribute to making you shirter too

So it's safe to assume you're landing in the 165cm range
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Dw my comment was half satire
Im between 170-180cm (not leaking my height :))

I had a few bloodworks and i am a described GHD
The thing is that im willing to take more then what doctors would recommend for me

And no im not an IQlet so ofc im not taking HGH if I would be having normal levels of hgh:lul:
 
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Dw my comment was half satire
Im between 170-180cm (not leaking my height :))

I had a few bloodworks and i am a described GHD
The thing is that im willing to take more then what doctors would recommend for me

And no im not an IQlet so ofc im not taking HGH if I would be having normal levels of hgh:lul:
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170-180cm is very unusual for GHD.....

At 170-180cm this 100% means you're at the end of puberty, especially with GHD.

You're not going to get alot of height gains, still worth a shot if you're deficient
 
@Ahmed88 hgh ain't gonna fix ur gonial angle or midface recession ngl. it's mostly for ppl with actual growth deficiencies.
 
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lol @Zagro always on his hgh hate crusade. it's not cope if you're a genuine shortcel with medical issues needing it, but for most guys just tryna get an inch? yeah, probably not the magic bullet ur hoping for. stop acting like sub5 just bc u didnt get an hgh prescription.
 
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170-180cm is very unusual for GHD.....

At 170-180cm this 100% means you're at the end of puberty, especially with GHD.

You're not going to get alot of height gains, still worth a shot if you're deficient
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Yea everyone were shocked except for me 😹

Tbh I wasnt even surprissed since my little brother literally is almost as tall as I am and literally has almost a full beard while I sit here with nothing.

Im just praying that im a late bloomer and that the hgh will save me
 
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Never happened
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m.koreaherald.com

Growth hormone injection spending soars as South Korean parents ‘invest’ in kids’ height

Parents in Korea are paying up to 10 million won ($6,800) a year for growth hormone injections given nightly for up to three years In South Korea, height is inc
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Js look at this hgh perscriptions have skyrocketed in the last years and it has a detrimental effecr on the height of korean children. Saying hgh doesnt work is blatant lying and there are studies to back it up retard
 
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m.koreaherald.com

Growth hormone injection spending soars as South Korean parents ‘invest’ in kids’ height

Parents in Korea are paying up to 10 million won ($6,800) a year for growth hormone injections given nightly for up to three years In South Korea, height is inc
m.koreaherald.com m.koreaherald.com
Js look at this hgh perscriptions have skyrocketed in the last years and it has a detrimental effecr on the height of korean children. Saying hgh doesnt work is blatant lying and there are studies to back it up retard
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Dude ignore him lol
 
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m.koreaherald.com

Growth hormone injection spending soars as South Korean parents ‘invest’ in kids’ height

Parents in Korea are paying up to 10 million won ($6,800) a year for growth hormone injections given nightly for up to three years In South Korea, height is inc
m.koreaherald.com m.koreaherald.com
Js look at this hgh perscriptions have skyrocketed in the last years and it has a detrimental effecr on the height of korean children. Saying hgh doesnt work is blatant lying and there are studies to back it up retard
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Nowhere in that article does it say the kids grew even a mm taller. The whole article is about how strict Korea’s insurance coverage is and how many families pay out-of-pocket for treatment.

A lot of medical conditions including things like Idiopathic Short Stature often DO NOT qualify for insurance despite still being treated by doctors and being seen as a valid reason to be prescribed HGH. ,,Private payment here doesn't mean chinese ratpiss HGH, they're still talking about legitimate pharmaceutical HGH prescribed by licensed Korean doctors, just not covered by national insurance lmao.

there are no meaningful studies proving HGH works and sending me news article doesn't even prove shit, you're just a fucking retard
 
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I was looking forward to it, wanted to make a thread myself, already had like a shit ton of other studies
 
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Ahmed88 said:
I was looking forward to it, wanted to make a thread myself, already had like a shit ton of other studies
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I research here and there but majority of my research isn’t about gh, maybe in a few weeks i can fully dedicate it all to gh and finish the thread

Will tag you
 
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bump good post
 
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Ahmed88 said:
A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections.

It won’t.

Why?

Let’s get into this


1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works

Human growth hormone (HGH), also called somatotropin, is a hormone that the pituitary gland, which is about the size of a pea and found at the base of your brain, makes and releases

Its main job?

Human growth hormone triggers growth in almost every tissue and organ in your body. It’s mostly known for its growth-promoting effect on cartilage and bone, especially in puberty. Cells in cartilage called chondrocytes and cells in bones called osteoblasts, receive signals from HGH to increase replication and thus allow for growth in size.


2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show

People often cite studies claiming “HGH increases height.” Let’s clarify what these studies actually studied.

Most research involves children who are GH-deficient children who cannot produce normal levels of GH due to medical conditions. Examples:




VERY Important: These studies are on children who are medically short due to GH deficiency, and do NOT produce enough HGH not normal kids. The effect is correcting a deficiency, not surpassing genetic potential.



Some other studies explore ISS (Idiopathic Short Stature):


B-B-But ISS Children Grew Taller why can’t i?

Let’s clarify: ISS children are not short simply because of genetics. ISS is defined as short stature without a known cause, that INCLUDES GENETICS and many children diagnosed as having ISS have partial GH insensitivity (Evidence: Idiopathic short stature)

Bottom line: if you are within normal growth ranges and are not diagnosed as ISS, these studies do NOT apply to you.


3. Why HGH does NOT work for healthy normal children with PROOF

For children with normal growth hormone (GH) levels, exogenous GH administration cannot increase final adult height. Here’s why:



  • GH does not create new growth potential.
    The growth plates in long bones experience linear growth through their epiphyseal plates. The genetic code determines both number and proliferative capacity of chondrocytes present at these growth plates. GH promotes the growth of chondrocytes and their development into mature cells, yet it cannot boost these cells' genetic-based growth capacity beyond their existing limits.
  • GH cannot override genetic determinants of stature.
    Height is a polygenic trait which multiple genetic loci control its development. The treatment of GH-sufficient children with GH therapy does not affect their gene expression or the genetic skeletal structure which their genome contains.
  • Endocrine feedback loops limit excessive growth signaling.
    The GH–IGF-1 axis is tightly regulated:
    • Elevated serum IGF-1 inhibits hypothalamic GHRH secretion and stimulates somatostatin release, reducing endogenous GH production.
    • Peripheral tissues exhibit receptor-mediated resistance to supra-physiologic GH and IGF-1 concentrations, limiting further cellular proliferation.
  • Physiologic ceiling effect.
    In GH-sufficient children, endogenous GH already saturates IGF-1 production and downstream growth plate signaling. Exogenous GH cannot enhance this process; the system is operating at maximal physiological capacity. Clinical evidence and studies supports these claims: children with normal GH levels do not achieve increased adult height despite high-dose GH administration
EVIDENCE AND STUDIES ON NORMAL KIDS:

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PMC

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002234769470192X

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PubMed



Analogy (for conceptual clarity): Imagine a plant with genetically fixed maximum height. Adequate water and nutrients allow it to reach its potential. Adding more water beyond what it can physiologically use does not make it grow taller; it may even disrupt normal growth processes.

Summary: GH in healthy, non-deficient children simply optimizes a process that is already at capacity. There is no latent or “hidden” height to unlock the endocrine system and growth plates are already functioning at their maximum biological limits.


4. Why people think it works!!!!!!

This is where most people get fooled and start to think it’s working.

HGH can TEMPORARILY increase growth rate (as seen in the studies). You grow faster for a period, but it does NOT increase final adult height. Your genetic height ceiling remains THE SAME. In the end you will grow the same without HGH.


5. What you actually get and are paying for: Side Effects

Injecting ratpiss HGH from Chinese labs is retarded and will NOT work all you are paying for are potential risks including:

  • Insulin resistance
  • Increased risk of type 2 diabetes
  • Fluid retention and edema
  • Joint pain
  • Carpal tunnel syndrome
  • Hip growth plate injury
  • Benign intracranial hypertension (severe headaches and vision changes)
  • Abnormal IGF‑1 elevations
  • Theoretical increased cancer risk due to chronic IGF‑1 stimulation
​

6. Summary

HGH only works in:

  • Documented GH deficiency
  • Select ISS cases


HGH does NOT:

  • Make normal kids taller than their genetics allow
  • Extend growth plates
  • Increase final adult height
  • Create height out of nowhere
If you do not have a diagnosed condition, you will not gain any adult height you will only get side effects.

The truth?: There is no hack around genetics. Injecting Chinese ratpiss HGH is expensive, unnecessary, and retarded.



Biology does not care about your retarded cope.
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Alr but my friend grew from like 5'3 to 5'10, then to 6'6 (his parents are 5'2 and 5'4), how did he do it? he took hgh, test, and igf over a 3 month period, he grew from 5'3 to 5'10, then after than he grew to 6'6, he also grew his bones
 
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appealislaw67 said:
Alr but my friend grew from like 5'3 to 5'10, then to 6'6 (his parents are 5'2 and 5'4), how did he do it? he took hgh, test, and igf over a 3 month period, he grew from 5'3 to 5'10, then after than he grew to 6'6, he also grew his bones
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1 foot in 3 months is scientifically impossible.
 
Ahmed88 said:
1 foot in 3 months is scientifically impossible.
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he didnt grow a foot in 3 months, he grew like 6 or 7 inches in 3 months then grew more after, i guess i wrote it in a missleading way so thats my fault, he grew 6 or 7 inches as a result of hgh igf and test in 3 months, then he grew more after hopping off
 
appealislaw67 said:
he didnt grow a foot in 3 months, he grew like 6 or 7 inches in 3 months then grew more after, i guess i wrote it in a missleading way so thats my fault, he grew 6 or 7 inches as a result of hgh igf and test in 3 months, then he grew more after hopping off
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Also impossible, the peak growth rate in children is 3 inches PER YEAR (maybe 4 in rare cases), even with gigantism you grow a maximum 6-7 inches in A YEAR, so you're either lying (very likely) or your friend probably got:

1. Fake lifts
2. Limb lengtening surgery
 
Ahmed88 said:
Also impossible, the peak growth rate in children is 3 inches PER YEAR (maybe 4 in rare cases), even with gigantism you grow a maximum 6-7 inches in A YEAR, so you're either lying (very likely) or your friend probably got:

1. Fake lifts
2. Limb lengtening surgery
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damn so bros genuinely lying to get me to hop on gh? also if gh doesnt do anything, wtf do i do to grow?
 
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appealislaw67 said:
damn so bros genuinely lying to get me to hop on gh? also if gh doesnt do anything, wtf do i do to grow?
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Yes, he was probably gonna tell you to buy his gear for expensive prices, just focus on living healthy, exercising getting your nutrients, don't inject random stuff from people, alot of stuff in the market has no research behind it including hgh, so we don't even know what it does, it could even make you shorter
 
Ahmed88 said:
Yes, he was probably gonna tell you to buy his gear for expensive prices, just focus on living healthy, exercising getting your nutrients, don't inject random stuff from people, alot of stuff in the market has no research behind it including hgh, so we don't even know what it does, it could even make you shorter
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damn, so im just stuck being a manlet?
 
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Ahmed88 said:
A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections.

It won’t.

Why?

Let’s get into this


1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works

Human growth hormone (HGH), also called somatotropin, is a hormone that the pituitary gland, which is about the size of a pea and found at the base of your brain, makes and releases

Its main job?

Human growth hormone triggers growth in almost every tissue and organ in your body. It’s mostly known for its growth-promoting effect on cartilage and bone, especially in puberty. Cells in cartilage called chondrocytes and cells in bones called osteoblasts, receive signals from HGH to increase replication and thus allow for growth in size.


2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show

People often cite studies claiming “HGH increases height.” Let’s clarify what these studies actually studied.

Most research involves children who are GH-deficient children who cannot produce normal levels of GH due to medical conditions. Examples:




VERY Important: These studies are on children who are medically short due to GH deficiency, and do NOT produce enough HGH not normal kids. The effect is correcting a deficiency, not surpassing genetic potential.



Some other studies explore ISS (Idiopathic Short Stature):


B-B-But ISS Children Grew Taller why can’t i?

Let’s clarify: ISS children are not short simply because of genetics. ISS is defined as short stature without a known cause, that INCLUDES GENETICS and many children diagnosed as having ISS have partial GH insensitivity (Evidence: Idiopathic short stature)

Bottom line: if you are within normal growth ranges and are not diagnosed as ISS, these studies do NOT apply to you.


3. Why HGH does NOT work for healthy normal children with PROOF

For children with normal growth hormone (GH) levels, exogenous GH administration cannot increase final adult height. Here’s why:



  • GH does not create new growth potential.
    The growth plates in long bones experience linear growth through their epiphyseal plates. The genetic code determines both number and proliferative capacity of chondrocytes present at these growth plates. GH promotes the growth of chondrocytes and their development into mature cells, yet it cannot boost these cells' genetic-based growth capacity beyond their existing limits.
  • GH cannot override genetic determinants of stature.
    Height is a polygenic trait which multiple genetic loci control its development. The treatment of GH-sufficient children with GH therapy does not affect their gene expression or the genetic skeletal structure which their genome contains.
  • Endocrine feedback loops limit excessive growth signaling.
    The GH–IGF-1 axis is tightly regulated:
    • Elevated serum IGF-1 inhibits hypothalamic GHRH secretion and stimulates somatostatin release, reducing endogenous GH production.
    • Peripheral tissues exhibit receptor-mediated resistance to supra-physiologic GH and IGF-1 concentrations, limiting further cellular proliferation.
  • Physiologic ceiling effect.
    In GH-sufficient children, endogenous GH already saturates IGF-1 production and downstream growth plate signaling. Exogenous GH cannot enhance this process; the system is operating at maximal physiological capacity. Clinical evidence and studies supports these claims: children with normal GH levels do not achieve increased adult height despite high-dose GH administration
EVIDENCE AND STUDIES ON NORMAL KIDS:

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PMC

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002234769470192X

No Improvement of Adult Height in Non-growth Hormone (GH) Deficient Short Children with GH Treatment - PubMed



Analogy (for conceptual clarity): Imagine a plant with genetically fixed maximum height. Adequate water and nutrients allow it to reach its potential. Adding more water beyond what it can physiologically use does not make it grow taller; it may even disrupt normal growth processes.

Summary: GH in healthy, non-deficient children simply optimizes a process that is already at capacity. There is no latent or “hidden” height to unlock the endocrine system and growth plates are already functioning at their maximum biological limits.


4. Why people think it works!!!!!!

This is where most people get fooled and start to think it’s working.

HGH can TEMPORARILY increase growth rate (as seen in the studies). You grow faster for a period, but it does NOT increase final adult height. Your genetic height ceiling remains THE SAME. In the end you will grow the same without HGH.


5. What you actually get and are paying for: Side Effects

Injecting ratpiss HGH from Chinese labs is retarded and will NOT work all you are paying for are potential risks including:

  • Insulin resistance
  • Increased risk of type 2 diabetes
  • Fluid retention and edema
  • Joint pain
  • Carpal tunnel syndrome
  • Hip growth plate injury
  • Benign intracranial hypertension (severe headaches and vision changes)
  • Abnormal IGF‑1 elevations
  • Theoretical increased cancer risk due to chronic IGF‑1 stimulation
​

6. Summary

HGH only works in:

  • Documented GH deficiency
  • Select ISS cases


HGH does NOT:

  • Make normal kids taller than their genetics allow
  • Extend growth plates
  • Increase final adult height
  • Create height out of nowhere
If you do not have a diagnosed condition, you will not gain any adult height you will only get side effects.

The truth?: There is no hack around genetics. Injecting Chinese ratpiss HGH is expensive, unnecessary, and retarded.



Biology does not care about your retarded cope.
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dw fellow greys ill debunk him rn
Your argument that it WONT grow anyone without a deficiency is wrong. Yes HGH will work better and more predictably in kids with a deficiency but not having one doesn’t mean you won’t grow. Exogenous HGH has been known to show an increase in IGF-1 which is the driving factor of growth. Although you’re correct that HGH cannot override genetics that doesn’t mean it can’t still cause growth. You’re not guaranteed to hit height your maximum height potential. If you’re looking for height growth HGH won’t be the best compound but it’ll still help but only a little. +rep me
 
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dkolebp said:
Your argument that it WONT grow anyone without a deficiency is wrong.
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Wrong, that's my statement, my arguments are the evidence provided....
dkolebp said:
Yes HGH will work better and more predictably in kids with a deficiency
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HGH will only work in kids with a deficiency, but continue....
dkolebp said:
Exogenous HGH has been known to show an increase in IGF-1 which is the driving factor of growth.
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Increasing IGF-1 does not automatically prove increased final adult height in healthy children. IGF-1 is involved in growth, but growth is regulated by far more than just “muh saar more IGF-1 = taller forever and shi.”


dkolebp said:
Although you’re correct that HGH cannot override genetics
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Correct.
You will reach what you were going to reach naturally with HGH
dkolebp said:
You’re not guaranteed to hit height your maximum height potential
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You quite literally are.....
You're just pulling ,,arguments" (not even worth calling them arguments) out of your ass

dkolebp said:
If you’re looking for height growth HGH won’t be the best
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There is no ,,best" since none of them work

dkolebp said:
it’ll still help but only a little.
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No


You didn't make a single argument except ,,muh igf1=muh hgh=height saar"
 
Ahmed88 said:
Wrong, that's my statement, my arguments are the evidence provided....

HGH will only work in kids with a deficiency, but continue....

Increasing IGF-1 does not automatically prove increased final adult height in healthy children. IGF-1 is involved in growth, but growth is regulated by far more than just “muh saar more IGF-1 = taller forever and shi.”



Correct.
You will reach what you were going to reach naturally with HGH

You quite literally are.....
You're just pulling ,,arguments" (not even worth calling them arguments) out of your ass


There is no ,,best" since none of them work


No


You didn't make a single argument except ,,muh igf1=muh hgh=height saar"
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you can’t predict final adult height😐 you can estimate it but that’s just about it again NOT everyone will reach their genetic peak i don’t know what part you don’t understand
 
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dkolebp said:
you can’t predict final adult height😐 you can estimate it but that’s just about it again NOT everyone will reach their genetic peak i don’t know what part you don’t understand
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Source?

It's scientifically proven people reach their genetic potential, FAH can't be predicted that's the thing, but that doesn't mean a genetic limit doesn't exist

If you're not willing to give a source don't debate lmao
 
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Let this thread die damn😭😭😭
 
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Joeseminate said:
Let this thread die damn😭😭😭
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This thread is genuinely top 10 most influential org threads oat

I'm actually working on a new thread ngl

But i'm too busy/lazy too release it
 
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Ahmed88 said:
Source?

It's scientifically proven people reach their genetic potential, FAH can't be predicted that's the thing, but that doesn't mean a genetic limit doesn't exist

If you're not willing to give a source don't debate lmao
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then where’s your source that HGH doesn’t work in people without a deficiency you gave a source showing its effect with kids with one now show a source showing that it has absolutely zero affect on healthy children also it’s common sense that people that have gone through stunting won’t reach their max potential
 
dkolebp said:
then where’s your source that HGH doesn’t work in people without a deficiency you gave a source showing its effect with kids with one now show a source showing that it has absolutely zero affect on healthy children also it’s common sense that people that have gone through stunting won’t reach their max potential
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Wtf are you even saying mate

The studies are literally in the fucking thread
 
Ahmed88 said:
Wtf are you even saying mate

The studies are literally in the fucking thread
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mb but after reading it my point still stands you're not guaranteed your max height potential especially if you were stunted during developing years
 
tomacōck said:
Dosage in studies is too low.
Go check GSS studies
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Mate, the dosages were perfectly fine
40-50kg person= 6-8iu in one study, 3-4 iu in the other
80kg person= 12-16iu and 6-8iu


I have no clue wtf GSS means the only GSS ik is Gerstmann-Sträussler-Scheinker syndrome





dkolebp said:
mb but after reading it my point still stands you're not guaranteed your max height potential especially if you were stunted during developing years
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, no evidence=not a valid claim
 
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