Why is murder wrong?

[Deleted member 3946]

this idea that just because it is an opinion doesn't make it valid is also wrong. your opinion is neither beneficial, nor the commonly agreed upon system. even calling the lack of continued experience is a neutral is stupid.

"good" to you should mean creating a system that allows you to be happy without making other people unhappy. Because as much as you might say that yeah "i would like to kill someone", you wouldn't want someone to kill you. if you can understand that you dont want to die then you should also understand that killing is wrong.

He's set his axioms in a way that it makes his argument infallible, with the classic "My perspective is what matters in the end of the day". The original post mentions personal pleasure as net positive and loss of life as a neutral. However the second part is strictly untrue. It's been looked at only at the dead person's PoV, if they're dead, they cant experience anything, so they didn't actually miss out on something. But for others, there could have been a lot of value lost. That person might create resources, and doesn't necessarily take up resources (although most looksmax members are just the latter). They could have been a person that actually adds value to the complex operation of society, and therefore also indirectly to OP's life. It's been looked at very one dimensionally (how I feel after it vs how the victim feels after it), which is very dangerous for otherwise actually good philosophical topics like this. There's obviously a reason why law gives you an ethical advantage to murder someone (i.e self-defense), and that's because the other person has proven in the specific instance to be a bigger detriment to society's operation than you have. Murder is wrong because the variables that come to it are insanely many, and there probably never will be a way to strictly define it and make it rigorously enforced.

And ofc, this all also comes under my favorite concept that objectivity doesn't exist as a concept

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Give me an IQ test to do, something that u did. I`m bored.

Google full scale IQ test on the website psychmetrics.

 

[Deleted member 19896]

your IQ is rising day by day?

 

[Deleted member 17791]

He's set his axioms in a way that it makes his argument infallible, with the classic "My perspective is what matters in the end of the day". The original post mentions personal pleasure as net positive and loss of life as a neutral. However the second part is strictly untrue. It's been looked at only at the dead person's PoV, if they're dead, they cant experience anything, so they didn't actually miss out on something. But for others, there could have been a lot of value lost. That person might create resources, and doesn't necessarily take up resources (although most looksmax members are just the latter). They could have been a person that actually adds value to the complex operation of society, and therefore also indirectly to OP's life. It's been looked at very one dimensionally (how I feel after it vs how the victim feels after it), which is very dangerous for otherwise actually good philosophical topics like this. There's obviously a reason why law gives you an ethical advantage to murder someone (i.e self-defense), and that's because the other person has proven in the specific instance to be a bigger detriment to society's operation than you have. Murder is wrong because the variables that come to it are insanely many, and there probably never will be a way to strictly define it and make it rigorously enforced.

And ofc, this all also comes under my favorite concept that objectivity doesn't exist as a concept

Finally a good post! Ngl, I agree, I constructed it to be pretty one dimensional.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

your IQ is rising day by day?

 

[Ice]

You are legit a very high IQ user, dead srs

 

[Acee]

Google full scale IQ test on the website psychmetrics.

Not fair tbh. English is my second language..A verbal test too?

 

[Ice]

Jk just fucking with your validation sensors, take your pills schizo

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You are legit a very high IQ user, dead srs

Thank you.

@Sorken made a great post tbh. I'll have to revise it tbh.

 

[Ice]

Thank you.

@Sorken made a great post tbh. I'll have to revise it tbh.

Over

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Not fair tbh. English is my second language..A verbal test too?

Just do it nigga, I never read books and got 90 on my verbal IQ. The website also has other tests for you to play with

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Over

Over indeed.

 

[Acee]

Just do it nigga, I never read books and got 90 on my verbal IQ. The website also has other tests for you to play with

Send your results

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Jk just fucking with your validation sensors, take your pills schizo

No.

 

[Ice]

No.

I can't tell if you are shitposting or legit think that you are 200+ IQ

Its literally impossible to tell in this forum with the amount of degenerates there here

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Send your results

146 memory
90 verbal
144 spatial

I cant take the test again because I remember it.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I can't tell if you are shitposting or legit think that you are 200+ IQ

Its literally impossible to tell in this forum with the amount of degenerates there here

Jfl, bit of both tbh.

What would you guess my IQ to actually fall?

I was just playing with logic here. I'm really a nihilist and don't care if it's a net negative in pleasure or not. It's all meaningless tbh.

 

[Zylk]

Yes, although reducing the population by murder would generate negative consequences in our society.

Elimination of important contributors to society.

A significant reduction in population because: fewer people produce less, so a declining population means slower economic growth or even a drop in production.

At the same time an overpopulation a community generates an unequal and disproportionate treatment of resources.

The best way to control resources is to select individuals who contribute the least to society by exterminating them.

Murder should be legal in order to have a meaningful control of resources, and only for this purpose. (For some reason suicides are forbidden, it generates more problems than profits for governments).

 

[Ice]

Jfl, bit of both tbh.

What would you guess my IQ to actually fall?

I was just playing with logic here. I'm really a nihilist and don't care if it's a net negative in pleasure or not. It's all meaningless tbh.

I can't guess tbh and no one can, maybe people can only guess verbal IQ, which I assume is average in your case.

I would probably say that you have ADHD or some other brain fuck about you, not related to IQ

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I can't guess tbh and no one can, maybe people can only guess verbal IQ, which I assume is average in your case.

I would probably say that you have ADHD or some other brain fuck about you, not related to IQ

My verbal is dogshit tbh.

You think I'm legit mentally ill? I do have ADD (adhd but without hyperactivity)

 

[Enfant terrible]

Suppose I hypothetically killed someone, what would the results of said action be?

1. I get pleasure from acting out my impulses

2. person dies

Now consequence one is a net positive because I experience pleasure.

Consequence two is a net positive because death is neither good or bad, it's the the ending of any experiences for them all together, good and bad, and it results in less people to suck up resources.

You inflict pain on the relatives of the person you killed.
That nullifies your pleasure from an utilitarist position.
Also if you kill somebody intentionally in this society you will get to prison eventually, so on the shorterm the killing gives you satisfaction but on the longterm almost certainly dissatisfaction.

 

[Ice]

My verbal is dogshit tbh.

You think I'm legit mentally ill? I do have ADD (adhd but without hyperactivity)

I think that if you use this site then you got something different about you mentally (I have ADHD too)

But its not nesscarrly a mental disorder (at least not a disorder in the sense that its maladaptive, technically ADHD is not really a disorder but more of a phenotype since it has adaptive traits with pros and cons)

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You inflict pain on the relatives of the person you killed.
That overweights your pleasure from an utilitarist position.
Also if you kill somebody intentionally in this society you will get to prison eventually, so on the shorterm the killing gives you satisfaction but on the longterm almost certainily dissatisfaction.

Not everyone is a retard when committing crime, there is a reason average prison IQ is like 80.

Poster earlier already pointed out how the effects on other people are too many to factor in a clear net negative or positive. This was the reason why I accepted consequence two as kinda shit and needs work.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I think that if you use this site then you got something different about you mentally (I have ADHD too)

But its not nesscarrly a mental disorder (at least not a disorder in the sense that its maladaptive, technically ADHD is not really a disorder but more of a phenotype since it has adaptive traits with pros and cons)

I am aspie and clearly deranged in a few other ways too.

Yeah, ADHD is typically seen as a remanent of our hunter gatherer days.

 

[Enfant terrible]

Not everyone is a retard when committing crime, there is a reason average prison IQ is like 80.

Poster earlier already pointed out how the effects on other people are too many to factor in a clear net negative or positive. This was the reason why I accepted consequence two as kinda shit and needs work.

regarding high iq people comitting crimes

Leopold and Loeb - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

two child geniuses who wanted to conduct the perfect murder but failed miserably and immediately got caught

 

[Deleted member 17791]

regarding high iq people comitting crimes

Leopold and Loeb - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

two child geniuses who wanted to conduct the perfect murder but failed miserably and immediately got caught

And I can provide countless examples of cold murder cases. Proves nothing, police don't solve the case no matter what.

 

[Enfant terrible]

And I can provide countless examples of cold murder cases. Proves nothing, police don't solve the case no matter what.

Cold case doesnt mean the murderer is high iq.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Cold case doesnt mean the murderer is high iq.

It disproves your original argument that you'd get caught eventually. Stay on track.

 

[Gonthar]

 

[Enfant terrible]

It disproves your original argument that you'd get caught eventually. Stay on track.

I mean the chance seems higher that you get caught eventually.
The risk of being caught seems higher than the reward.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I love these memes.

 

[Deleted member 19281]

niggas after taking richardramirezpill

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I mean the chance seems higher that you get caught eventually.
The risk of being caught seems higher than the reward.

Maybe the risk is part of what makes it so fun. Cat and mouse kinda thing.

You also are less likely to even be caught if you're meticulous.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

niggas after taking richardramirezpill

 

[Ice]

I am aspie and clearly deranged in a few other ways too.

Yeah, ADHD is typically seen as a remanent of our hunter gatherer days.

I don't believe this cope of hunter days, I think that those traits are relevant today and that individuals with ADHD are either those who take it all or lose (doctors say that this mentality is common with ADHD, but I think its because people with ADHD realize their place in the world)

The extreme impulsivity and lack of focus with ADHD makes you extremely entrepreneurial and risk taking (Individuals with ADHD are 300% more likely to open a business) but it also means that your success in life is far less guaranteed then other people (most business ideas fail) and that if you fail (which you are more likely to) then you are far more cucked then someone without ADHD who can cope with mediocre jobs.

In a societal scale individuals with ADHD make a lot of progress (that's at least how I look at it) but they are also more likely to cause problems, crime, accidents and such and that despite having 0 correlation with IQ, high IQ or low IQ (the same traits which make ADHD go up, make it go down)

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I don't believe this cope of hunter days, I think that those traits are relevant today and that individuals with ADHD are either those who take it all or lose (doctors say that this mentality is common with ADHD, but I think its because people with ADHD realize their place in the world)

The extreme impulsivity and lack of focus with ADHD makes you extremely entrepreneurial and risk taking (Individuals with ADHD are 300% more likely to open a business) but it also means that your success in life is far less guaranteed then other people (most business ideas fail) and that if you fail (which you are more likely to) then you are far more cucked then someone without ADHD who can cope with mediocre jobs.

In a societal scale individuals with ADHD make a lot of progress (that's at least how I look at it) but they are also more likely to cause problems, crime, accidents and such and that despite having 0 correlation with IQ, high IQ or low IQ (the same traits which make ADHD go up, make it go down)

Makes sense but it's still an older strain from thousands of years ago. Lots of old traits become less adaptive and then become more adaptive later on.

 

[Acee]

146 memory
90 verbal
144 spatial

I cant take the test again because I remember it.

100 is the average for all of them? both memory, verbal, and spatial?

 

[Deleted member 17791]

100 is the average for all of them? both memory, verbal, and spatial?

100 is average no matter what.

 

[BrendioEEE]

Morality is something fundamental to our evolutionary directive as humans to reproduce and grow as a species.

Murder fundamentally means killing an innocent person for no reason other than personal gain/pleasure. Basically at the expense of humanity, to grow, etc.

Killing on the other hand isn't inherently murder, because you can kill a multitude of people that aren't innocent, or their death would result in a net benefit/growth to humanity, beyond just selfish reasons.

Amorality is an evolutionary blight, and dysgenic ideology/philosophy and mindset, and it is perfectly moral to kill these people at the expense of their own happiness because their happiness means nothing to the growth of humanity, considering they're a literal threat to it, and have forfeited their right to be considered human.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Morality is something fundamental to our evolutionary directive as humans to reproduce and grow as a species.

Murder fundamentally means killing an innocent person for no reason other than personal gain/pleasure. Basically at the expense of humanity, to grow, etc.

Killing on the other hand isn't inherently murder, because you can kill a multitude of people that aren't innocent, or their death would result in a net benefit/growth to humanity, beyond just selfish reasons.

Amorality is an evolutionary blight, and dysgenic ideology/philosophy and mindset, and it is perfectly moral to kill these people at the expense of their own happiness because their happiness means nothing to the growth of humanity, considering they're a literal threat to it, and have forfeited their right to be considered human.

Evolutionarily adaptive != good

Literally an appeal to nature.

I don't accept your axioms to begin with, so too bad.

 

[Acee]

100 is average no matter what.

I don`t pay attention to the Verbal IQ because I couldn`t construct a comprehensive sentence in English 4 years ago. Could barely mock people in videogames without them pointing out my obvious English mistakes. To think that I got a higher score than you is weird.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I don`t pay attention to the Verbal IQ because I couldn`t construct a comprehensive sentence in English 4 years ago. Could barely mock people in videogames without them pointing out my obvious English mistakes. To think that I got a higher score than you is weird.

I got 103 on verbal but you only got 90.

Who cares? They're both midwit tier verbal.

 

[Acee]

I got 103 on verbal but you only got 90.

Who cares? They're both midwit tier verbal.

Are you retarded? that`s the language you heard from day one while I couldn`t write in English 4 years ago. Hard cope.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Are you retarded? that`s the language you heard from day one while I couldn`t write in English 4 years ago. Hard cope.

I dont care.

 

[BrendioEEE]

Evolutionarily adaptive != good

Literally an appeal to nature.

I don't accept your axioms to begin with, so too bad.

Yes, also fallacy fallacy, cope + rope, the solution is mass genocide but in a moral way.

You don't have to agree with me, I'm right. Anti-human means a literal dysgenic virus. Literal imposter amogus moment, time to get voted off buddy

 

[Acee]

I dont care.

Caged. You got mogged by a foreigner with 100IQ

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Yes, also fallacy fallacy, cope + rope, the solution is mass genocide but in a moral way.

You don't have to agree with me, I'm right. Anti-human means a literal dysgenic virus. Literal imposter amogus moment, time to get voted off buddy

Talk about dysgenics. Why don't you act more NT?

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Caged. You got mogged by a foreigner with 100IQ

Cope, you're either good at english or you're not, muh second language is cope.

 

[Acee]

Cope, you're either good at english or you're not, muh second language is cope.

Didn`t expect you to cope like that. Muh second language is cope, go do a verbal test in Spanish, retard.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Didn`t expect you to cope like that. Muh second language is cope, go do a verbal test in Spanish, retard.

nigga, It doesn't matter much.