Why is murder wrong?

[Acee]

Sick top hair in your pfp

 

[Deleted member 17791]

''Your'' (which isn`t even yours) could be improved by smart exposure.

wtf are you talking about? It's over if you need to read plato or whatever.

Morality doesn't exist. I don't need or want any ethical framework.

 

[Acee]

wtf are you talking about? It's over if you need to read plato or whatever.

Morality doesn't exist. I don't need or want any ethical framework.

Fuck I want to kiss you no homo

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Fuck I want to kiss you no homo

Only on cheek.

 

[Acee]

Only on cheek.

Jesus you think I fucking ask you I`m a 6'3 Germanic beast I would rape you so hard and you don`t have a fucking say

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Jesus you think I fucking ask you I`m a 6'3 Germanic beast I would rape you so hard and you don`t have a fucking say

Oh no!

 

[Acee]

Oh no!

Larped tbh, I`m Japanese.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Larped tbh, I`m Japanese.

What are you actually?

 

[Acee]

What are you actually?

Iranian ngl.

 

[Deleted member 17951]

a momentary period of joy for the killer is nowhere near worth as much as the whole life of another person, youre taking away decades of life fullfilment from them
that being said even if you would get more pleasure, AKA more utility it would still be amoral
utilitarianism just doesnt work in real life, maybe in an abstract world

Unironically wholesome

 

[Richard_Hungwell]

How can you measure which positive is larger? You can't, that's just an opinion.

Also ending a life or causing someone to cease any further experiences is a net zero because it results in null for them. Null everything. Nothingness is neither good or bad.

You are making a lot of assumptions here.

What if Heaven and Hell are real and you killed a bad person and force them to go to Hell for eternity but if you hadn't killed them and they lived, maybe they could've redeemed themselves in life through noble acts and later died of natural causes and went to Heaven?

Arguably, we shouldn't legally be able to kill others precisely because we DON'T KNOW what happens after death.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You are making a lot of assumptions here.

What if Heaven and Hell are real and you killed a bad person and force them to go to Hell for eternity but if you hadn't killed them and they lived, maybe they could've redeemed themselves in life through noble acts and later died of natural causes and went to Heaven?

From what religion? Maybe he just reincarnates. Maybe he goes to limbo.

I don't consider fairytails tbh.

 

[Acee]

You ignored me.

 

[BrendioEEE]

Keep thinking they wouldn't have viewed you as worthless.
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You know nothing about eugenic ideologies, do these look like "NT Chads" to you?

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You ignored me.

didn't know you posted. over

 

[Acee]

didn't know you posted. over

Larped anyway.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You know nothing about eugenic ideologies, do these look like "NT Chads" to you?
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I know more about Nazism than you. I know they didn't require you to be blue eyed 6 feet tall mogger but they did kill thousands of aspies like YOU.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Larped anyway.

I have monopoly on mew mew avis.

 

[Richard_Hungwell]

From what religion? Maybe he just reincarnates. Maybe he goes to limbo.

I don't consider fairytails tbh.

The whole crux of your argument for why murder isn't wrong seems to be based on the atheist religion's belief that there is no afterlife and all consciousness, memories and experiences will cease to be...but you don't know that for sure. It's just your belief.

 

[Acee]

I have monopoly on mew mew avis.

I watched it as a ten years old or some shit, you barely watched 5 episdoes.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

The whole crux of your argument for why murder isn't wrong seems to be based on the atheist religion's belief that there is no afterlife and all consciousness, memories and experiences will cease to be...but you don't know that for sure. It's just your belief.

Atheism is the lack of belief in god. It's in the name A (without). theism (belief in god).

The theist has made the positive claim. I don't need to do anything.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I watched it as a ten years old or some shit, you barely watched 5 episdoes.

Copyright bitch.

 

[BrendioEEE]

I know more about Nazism than you. I know they didn't require you to be blue eyed 6 feet tall mogger but they did kill thousands of aspies like YOU.

Entirely false, almost all the great minds including Hitler wouldn't be considered very NT by todays standards.

Also i'm not autistic, and all forms of mass genocide were greatly exaggerated or straight up didn't happen in related to the Germans, also the fact you even call it "Nazism" instead of National Socialism, tells me you definitely don't know much of anything related to the ideology, the people behind it, or what happened during that time.

So cope, seethe, dilate, + you're Jewish, and cringe.

 

[Deleted member 18776]

Tbh, my happiness>other people's happiness.

I can only prove I exist with certainty, everyone else can't be 100% proven to exist. I am therefore more real and thus superior fundamentally

but i do exist and im coming for ur ass

 

[Prince charming]

Suppose I hypothetically killed someone, what would the results of said action be?

1. I get pleasure from acting out my impulses

2. person dies

Now consequence one is a net positive because I experience pleasure.

Consequence two is a net positive because death is neither good or bad, it's the the ending of any experiences for them all together, good and bad, and it results in less people to suck up resources.

Net negative due to the fact your taking away another humans experience and potential to grow/ contributions to society also loved ones would feel displeased also tipping the scale making it bad.

 

[Roubla]

duh, everything is permitted if you don't believe in anything, that also makes you a threat to societal order.

 

[Harold O'brien]

This is a typical normie argument.

muh what if said thing happened to you? bet you wouldn't like it huh?

Fuck off, use logic not appeals to emotion

It is logic

Why is murder bad? Because it emotionally hurts others. Jesus you're a fucking retard

 

[Deleted member 17791]

It is logic

Why is murder bad? Because it emotionally hurts others. Jesus you're a fucking retard

But also emotionally benefits me. Also their family members gain long term benefits in the form of inheritance.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

duh, everything is permitted if you don't believe in anything, that also makes you a threat to societal order.

 

[Harold O'brien]

But also emotionally benefits me. Also their family members gain long term benefits in the form of inheritance.

From a utilitarianism perspective the person you kill and everyone who cares about them lose far more then you gain

From deontology the act of murder is just wrong

Questioning the most basic morals is classic abused dog midwit behaviour

 

[Deleted member 17791]

From a utilitarianism perspective the person you kill and everyone who cares about them lose far more then you gain

From deontology the act of murder is just wrong

Questioning the most basic morals is classic abused dog midwit behaviour

I explained why they benefit. They gain wealth which lasts while they momentarily feel bad.

What are you talking about? Submitting to the established order of things is literally the definition of a midwit. A midwit doesn't try to invalidate a societal norm.

 

[Harold O'brien]

I explained why they benefit. They gain wealth which lasts while they momentarily feel bad.

What are you talking about? Submitting to the established order of things is literally the definition of a midwit. A midwit doesn't try to invalidate a societal norm.

You're too autistic to understand human emotion gg

 

[Deleted member 19607]

This is a typical normie argument.

muh what if said thing happened to you? bet you wouldn't like it huh?

Fuck off, use logic not appeals to emotion

You're a faggot

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You're too autistic to understand human emotion gg

Good to know you have no argument. I win.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Good to know you have no argument. I win.

My argument is that your argument is wrong because you can't comprehend that someone you love dying is far far worse than getting some inheritance money lol

I'm done

 

[Deleted member 17791]

You're a faggot

Oh no!

 

[Deleted member 17791]

My argument is that your argument is wrong because you can't comprehend that someone you love dying is far far worse than getting some inheritance money lol

I'm done

I know how people react to their relatives dying. They get sad for a day or two and forget. I've seen it before several times.

 

[Martyokart]

How can you measure which positive is larger? You can't, that's just an opinion.

Also ending a life or causing someone to cease any further experiences is a net zero because it results in null for them. Null everything. Nothingness is neither good or bad.

By that logic, how can you measure which positive is larger? You said in an earlier comment that your happiness matters more than everyone else's. By whose standard, though? You don't get to be the sole determinant of whose feelings are more valid.

In a scenario with a group of people, if the percentage of people disadvantaged and hurt outweighs the person/people not hurt, the hurt peoples' feelings objectively matter more.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

By that logic, how can you measure which positive is larger? You said in an earlier comment that your happiness matters more than everyone else's. By whose standard, though? You don't get to be the sole determinant of whose feelings are more valid.

In a scenario with a group of people, if the percentage of people disadvantaged and hurt outweighs the person/people not hurt, the hurt peoples' feelings objectively matter more.

Because I know I exist while others existence isn't 100%. I am superior fundamentally.

 

[Martyokart]

Because I know I exist while others existence isn't 100%. I am superior fundamentally.

Have fun telling that to a judge

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Have fun telling that to a judge

not an argument.

 

[Martyokart]

not an argument.

Cause you don't wanna argue. You wanna be right and not have your perspective changed through a debate, and your response to other rebuttals proves that.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Cause you don't wanna argue. You wanna be right and not have your perspective changed through a debate, and your response to other rebuttals proves that.

Okay bro, keep making fallacious arguments.

 

[Martyokart]

You are making a lot of assumptions here.

What if Heaven and Hell are real and you killed a bad person and force them to go to Hell for eternity but if you hadn't killed them and they lived, maybe they could've redeemed themselves in life through noble acts and later died of natural causes and went to Heaven?

Arguably, we shouldn't legally be able to kill others precisely because we DON'T KNOW what happens after death.

This is an insanely good argument and unique take.

 

[CFW432]

It's only wrong because the state says it is. Morality has no basis in nature or evolution and is an artificial man made concept that was created in order to create more stable societies which in itself is an artificial man made creation. Natural human living is being a hunter gatherer apart of a small tribe filled with probably 30 people at most.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

It's only wrong because the state says it is. Morality has no basis in nature or evolution and is an artificial man made concept that was created in order to create more stable societies which in itself is an artificial man made creation. Natural human living is being a hunter gatherer apart of a small tribe filled with probably 30 people at most.

I know.

 

[Tom Jones]

Well our all knowing creator, the Lord, did not deem it wrong (except for murdering Israelites).

 

[R@m@]

I think most humans have the capacity to commit murder

 

[Tom Jones]

I think most humans have the capacity to commit murder

Absolutely.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Well our all knowing creator, the Lord, did not deem it wrong (except for murdering Israelites).

true. Based God