Why is there so many natty supporters here

[MacBurger]

natty lifting is cope “just train hard and eat right for 7 years and you’ll get ur dream physique”

LMAOOOO

 

[MacBurger]

Jfl stay natty, whilst I mog the fuck outta u in just a couple months then watch

I already prob mog u btw

 

[krieg]

see how you feel on 300 and when you can manage sides then up the dose, why rush so quickly when we are all so young

You’ll shut down endogenous production anyways yes start on 300 but you should 100% go up to a higher dose no point shutting down for less gains go all the way

 

[Oesteogenesis]

Jfl stay natty, whilst I mog the fuck outta u in just a couple months then watch

Im not staying natty lmao, i never said that test is bad lol. Test is not ideal if you dont know what your doing, being natty entirely is cope and anyone who flexes their "natty card" is stupid. But a person who has no clue what they are doing and are taking AAS is another thing lol

 

[Oesteogenesis]

I already prob mog u btw

Wow congrats man

 

[MacBurger]

Im not staying natty lmao, i never said that test is bad lol. Test is not ideal if you dont know what your doing, being natty entirely is cope and anyone who flexes their "natty card" is stupid. But a person who has no clue what they are doing and are taking AAS is another thing lol

Shit well I do know what I’m doing I’m gonna eat chicken and rice everyday train 6x a week and mog 99% of these fuckers

 

[nbfmyb]

You’ll shut down endogenous production anyways yes start on 300 but you should 100% go up to a higher dose no point shutting down for less gains go all the way

ofc bro i was talking from a blast and cruise point of view. if its just one cycle i dont see any harm starting at 500

 

[nbfmyb]

Shit well I do know what I’m doing I’m gonna eat chicken and rice everyday train 6x a week and mog 99% of these fuckers

why r u training 6x a week
just do fullbody 3x a week

 

[Oesteogenesis]

Shit well I do know what I’m doing I’m gonna eat chicken and rice everyday train 6x a week and mog 99% of these fuckers

if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects

 

[MacBurger]

ofc bro i was talking from a blast and cruise point of view. if its one cycle i dont see any harm starting at 500

Yeah I’ll be blasting 500 for like 20 weeks then cruising at 250

 

[MacBurger]

why r u training 6x a week
just do fullbody 3x a week

Eughh I need to make a split tbh

 

[nbfmyb]

Eughh I need to make a split tbh

you dont have a split and you want to hop on....

 

[Oesteogenesis]

you dont have a split and you want to hop on....

ts what i fucking mean bro

 

[krieg]

People saying don’t hop on test at 18 unless u want ur balls to shrink, what are they talking about? That won’t happen if you do it properly, and if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months, also people on about u can’t get bone growth cause of plates muh, it increases ur bone density, which isn’t plate reliant so why tf are people saying ts?

I’m an advocate for using test but this is just ridiculous the reason we do blood tests pre mid and post cycle is to see if we need to adjust our cycle, maybe the dose is too high and we’re aromatising too much into estrogen then we can bring an ai if you just go in blindly you will waste ur first cycle and fuck up your hormones for the rest of your life, yes do roids but don’t be doing dumb shit like this expecting good results

 

[MacBurger]

you dont have a split and you want to hop on....

I’m an advocate for using test but this is just ridiculous the reason we do blood tests pre mid and post cycle is to see if we need to adjust our cycle, maybe the dose is too high and we’re aromatising too much into estrogen then we can bring an ai if you just go in blindly you will waste ur first cycle and fuck up your hormones for the rest of your life, yes do roids but don’t be doing dumb shit like this expecting good results

Yeah cause 500mg a week is gonna be too high of a dose jfl

 

[MacBurger]

you dont have a split and you want to hop on....

I didn’t actually research about all that, all I researched is stuff I need side effects etc

 

[nbfmyb]

I didn’t actually research about all that, all I researched is stuff I need side effects etc

nigga your supposed to know this long before you even consider taking steroids

 

[nbfmyb]

Yeah cause 500mg a week is gonna be too high of a dose jfl

its not that high of a dose for normal people but it could be deadly in the hands of retards like you

 

[krieg]

Yeah cause 500mg a week is gonna be too high of a dose jfl

ofc you can run the cycle with no bloods or ai but it’s all dependent on how much your body converts test to estrogen go ahead and run your cycle with no clue about how well ur body responds and come back with man boobs and a vagina ur just gonna turn into a tranny

 

[MacBurger]

ofc you can run the cycle with no bloods or ai but it’s all dependent on how much your body converts test to estrogen go ahead and run your cycle with no clue about how well ur body responds and come back with man boobs and a vagina ur just gonna turn into a tranny

I have an ai u dumbass

 

[krieg]

I have an ai u dumbass

if u do it right even at 500 mg a week with no bloodtests or ai u can get 0 side effects whilst mogging the average natty lifter in months,

 

[MacBurger]

its not that high of a dose for normal people but it could be deadly in the hands of retards like you

No dude ur the retard fear mongering about 500mg of test, I’ll cut open ur skull and eat ur brains to hopefully get down to the double digit iq levels so I can understand the naivety and stupidity of ur very being

 

[nbfmyb]

ofc you can run the cycle with no bloods or ai but it’s all dependent on how much your body converts test to estrogen go ahead and run your cycle with no clue about how well ur body responds and come back with man boobs and a vagina ur just gonna turn into a tranny

atp just let natural selection do its thing

 

[MacBurger]

Depends on person ofc

 

[nbfmyb]

No dude ur the retard fear mongering about 500mg of test, I’ll cut open ur skull and eat ur brains to hopefully get down to the double digit iq levels so I can understand the naivety and stupidity of ur very being

this is why looksmaxxing gets ridiculed by normies. its retards like you who watch one clav edit and end up on the news for nearly dying following "dangerous looksmaxxing trends"

 

[MacBurger]

this is why looksmaxxing gets ridiculed by normies. its retards like you who watch one clav edit and end up on the news for nearly dying following "dangerous looksmaxxing trends"

Dude… u joined in 2025 please don’t talk newfag

 

[MacBurger]

this is why looksmaxxing gets ridiculed by normies. its retards like you who watch one clav edit and end up on the news for nearly dying following "dangerous looksmaxxing trends"

Yeah bro cause 500mg of test is gonna send u to the hospital even when u have an ai, and basic supps man just kys

 

[nbfmyb]

Yeah bro cause 500mg of test is gonna send u to the hospital even when u have an ai, and basic supps man just kys

gl eyeballing the ai and tell me what supplements you are using

 

[MacBurger]

gl eyeballing the ai and tell me what supplements you are using

Wdym gl eyeballing the ai? Once u start getting e2 sides, u take ur ai? Jfl also just basic supps like fish oil magnesium vitamins etc

 

[MacBurger]

gl eyeballing the ai and tell me what supplements you are using

Ur acting like im taking 200mg of tren here

 

[nbfmyb]

Wdym gl eyeballing the ai? Once u start getting e2 sides, u take ur ai? Jfl also just basic supps like fish oil magnesium vitamins etc

atleast add telmisartan and rosuvastatin

Ur acting like im taking 200mg of tren here

based on the bullshit youve said in this thread, i think you could screw up 250 test

 

[MacBurger]

atleast add telmisartan and rosuvastatin

based on the bullshit youve said in this thread, i think you could screw up 250 test

Just gonna DNR u now, how is 500mg plus taking ai when e2 sides come up and taking basic supps whilst having great nutrition bullshit? Man ur such a retard don’t reply to this thread anymore

 

[nbfmyb]

great nutrition

I’m gonna eat chicken and rice everyday

 

[MacBurger]

okay then give me an insight on ur diet then if ur soooo smart

 

[NoaA99]

Well im a natty supporter cause I did it natty and it worked out great with no side effects of roids. But i may just have decent genes for building muscle cause some people literally have like 100 level test their whole lives and are like 120lbs naturally at 6 foot.

I also tell people cause if somebody doesnt atleast gain the discipline and experience to build a base physique naturally, they are going to go into the gym as a complete begginer and start blasting roids and wont know shit about working out or nutrition and will end up with roid muscles on a skinny, unworked frame. I can always tell who ended up using roids before ever lifting natty for atleast a year or two, cause they look like skinny dudes with anchor arms and have an unbalanced physique cause they dont know anything about programming a routine

Just wait until they finally realise that the level of a single molecule is one factor within a vast network of interactive and regulatory systemic variables.
These factors collectively define the biological end-product over time, and whether someone can benefit or break from it.
It is insufferable to watch people treat a single hormone as a master variable or a simplified cure/ universal optimization for everyone and every issue.
It just shows a fundamental lack of understanding regarding the complexity of human system architecture.

 

[MacBurger]

Just wait until they finally realise that the level of a single molecule is one factor within a vast network of interactive and regulatory systemic variables.
These factors collectively define the biological end-product over time, and whether someone can benefit or break from it.
It is insufferable to watch people treat a single hormone as a master variable or a simplified cure/ universal optimization for everyone and every issue.
It just shows a fundamental lack of understanding regarding the complexity of human system architecture.

We just trynna get jacked bro

 

[actualunderstander]

fucking read dibshit. Even if you did know, its likely that someone who hasnt trained that long would not be consistent with it so running shit would be stupid

Also, when you lift natty for a few years and do the routine right and progress on compounds, your body adapts with not only building a base of muscle, but your tendons adapt and hormones to having more mass and proper nutrition. Plus you actually learn how to workout and add muscle overtime properly, and like you said eating right. A nooby who doesnt know jack and just hops on test and goes to the gym is gonna do some retarded routine like arms everyday and build muscle then when they cycle off are gonna be dissapointed

 

[SoundnVision]

Exogenous testosterone suppresses your HPTA axis, which suppresses your natural testosterone production (doesn't matter since you're pinning it back), but it also suppresses your LH and FSH hormones which are responsible for creating testosterone. LH and FSH are also responsible for sperm production, so while pinning you'll have little to no sperm production. This isn't actually toxic to your sperm though, nor does it damage them, you just don't produce any.

When you stop pinning your natural production is no longer suppressed so you will start producing sperm again. In some cases people's natural production doesn't come back 100%. Personally I don't think this is a big issue, you're gonna be fine if you produce 50 million sperms instead of 100 million sperms a day . The bigger "issue" might be you'll just have lower testosterone. But pinning lifelong is totally an option.


PCT isn't necessary though it's a good idea since it helps your production recover better. You don't have to do PCT however, you can stay on test and pin HCG. This mimics LH and tells your testes to produce sperm, even if you're on test.


Ideally you want to be on dutasteride before it starts shedding. If you don't want to suppress your DHT (or if you're taking masteron or some highly androgenic roid), you can also use topical RU-58841 which is a topical androgen blocker. This only blocks DHT where you apply it.


Yes it can restore size, or if you take it the whole time it can maintain size

What's the minimum amount of HCG I'd need to keep balls working if i was on 400mg test?

I never have good libido on test and it's not estrogen related because I've had it measured in normal range

 

[Vass]

What's the minimum amount of HCG I'd need to keep balls working if i was on 400mg test?

I never have good libido on test and it's not estrogen related because I've had it measured in normal range

"keep your balls working" isn't the best concept because technically 1 IU of hcg makes your balls "work", just barely.

I don't know much about HCG dosages but on the back of my mind I remember reading some routine where someone had 200IU 2x a week. But there's probably a guide somewhere here on HCG dosing