Why most surgery results never gets the average normie to a chad i found out the main culprit.

[NZb6Air]

eyes forward

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[reptiles]

Yeah it may be possible in theory to do all this, but how would it play out in reality? Probably not the best

And for normies ascending to chad, it depends on what was holding them back. If it was something like a big nose and a too narrow jaw, but otherwise good features, they can easily ascend.

If they are normie because they have stuff like an overly short/long midface, super low/high FWHR, long philtrum (when caused by short nose), etc.., wouldn’t be so sure as these are very hard to fix and maybe even impossible

Bro I wrote this in my thread already the unfixables are in a collaboration maybe a 1 point detractor meanwhile most of the changeable traits like skull and mandible those are changeable but it's a domino effect you need multiple aspects of the skull

 

[chadintraining]

Those you can't but those are not usually Impossibles what was stopping this guy was multiple factors that combined as a domino effect that's what chad faces are small multiple factors that combine in a domino effect to create an attractive face

True

You can get away with a couple failos, but if you have a lot of them, no amount of hunter eyes and jawline will make you a chad

 

[reptiles]

True

You can get away with a couple failos, but if you have a lot of them, no amount of hunter eyes and jawline will make you a chad

I've seen long midfaced chads tbqh

 

[esoterik]

Yeah it may be possible in theory to do all this, but how would it play out in reality? Probably not the best

And for normies ascending to chad, it depends on what was holding them back. If it was something like a big nose and a too narrow jaw, but otherwise good features, they can easily ascend.

If they are normie because they have stuff like an overly short/long midface, super low/high FWHR, long philtrum (when caused by short nose), etc.., wouldn’t be so sure as these are very hard to fix (and especially have it look natural) and maybe even impossible

your too far out on what a chad is, no, masc big jaw slanted low pfh eyes are not just chads

prettyboys have lots of appeal without needing massive movements, becoming a chad prettyboy narrows down to phenotype and bone placement + bone consistency, just dont have recession and be has facially average (in bones) meaning you dont look bad at any angles

 

[esoterik]

back, u can move forward up to 4mm

.... no you cant move them forward, your mistaking with orbital decomp (cringe surgery)

 

[esoterik]

As in fund my surgeries m8 actually nah I'll be fine I have 47 k saves up

well i cant just hand you money, everyone needs to work their shit for themselves

 

[Dendoni]

This thread is low iq, sorry bhai

1. Few features can't be charged -

Skull shape/width/height much - if you have top big of jaw and cheeks Bones and your face is small, you will look Beyond comical, a caricature of sorta

2. Eyes depth/size - nearly impossible to change eyes Area much and usually very uncanny if you go too far with expectations

Most surgeries you suggested don't compliment Harmony and therefore they are bound to fail

So your answer is:

Why don't most normies turn to chad with surgery?

They don't have either good genetic base, ratios or Harmony to ascend while 1-2 features are fixed

 

[chadintraining]

your too far out on what a chad is, no, masc big jaw slanted low pfh eyes are not just chads

prettyboys have lots of appeal without needing massive movements, becoming a chad prettyboy narrows down to phenotype and bone placement + bone consistency, just dont have recession and be has facially average (in bones) meaning you dont look bad at any angles

True you dont need a massive ogre jaw and Opry eyes to be gl

But you need to be good in all the basics and have no big failos, and every heavily lusted over guy meets those requirements

 

[NZb6Air]

.... no you cant move them forward, your mistaking with orbital decomp (cringe surgery)

wait i read wrong

 

[reptiles]

This thread is low iq, sorry bhai

1. Few features can't be charged -

Skull shape/width/height much - if you have top big of jaw and cheeks Bones and your face is small, you will look Beyond comical, a caricature of sorta

2. Eyes depth/size - nearly impossible to change eyes Area much and usually very uncanny if you go too far with expectations

Most surgeries you suggested don't compliment Harmony and therefore they are bound to fail

So your answer is:

Why don't most normies turn to chad with surgery?

They don't have either good genetic base, ratios or Harmony to ascend while 1-2 features are fixed

I've answered all these in the thread I even gave custom measurements it wasn't even me eye balling I had a machine do it which is trained with billions of paramters trained to recognise faces which is smarter than gpt4 which was already inhumanly smart.

 

[chadintraining]

I've seen long midfaced chads tbqh

yeah you can get away with a couple failos like that and be chad, especially if it’s minor

I’m talking about if you have a lot of them or have them really bad

 

[esoterik]

True you dont need a massive ogre jaw and Opry eyes to be gl

But you need to be good in all the basics and have no big failos, and every heavily lusted over guy meets those requirements

maybe, alot dont have big failos and all of them are fixable, the problem is creating appeal. there is no objective standard for appeal for x group of girls

just gotta make the most of your phenotype

 

[chadintraining]

maybe, alot dont have big failos and all of them are fixable, the problem is creating appeal. there is no objective standard for appeal for x group of girls

just gotta make the most of your phenotype

Yeah

If you are inherently attractive you will have appeal to women, which chances are you will be if you don’t have many bad features and have positive ones

 

[kebinGarnett]

maybe, im 17 and have $45k from niche online stuff, isnt unrealistic

How!? what do you sell?

 

[reptiles]

maybe, alot dont have big failos and all of them are fixable, the problem is creating appeal. there is no objective standard for appeal for x group of girls

just gotta make the most of your phenotype

Western chads differ to Indian and Asian chads tbqh western chads seem to bigger in angularity and hallow Ness Indians chads are bigger on cheek fullness an rounded but defined face large eyes but an universal trait among all 3 chads is a square skull.

East Asian beauty standards that these stupid surgeons stick to makes you have angular but lean jaw with less angularity over all with stronger low set cheek bones and an taller face but not square and angular.

Different race different surgery maxing and looksmaxing protocol

 

[Dendoni]

I've answered all these in the thread I even gave custom measurements it wasn't even me eye balling I had a machine do it which is trained with billions of paramters trained to recognise faces which is smarter than gpt4 which was already inhumanly smart.

Try to make guy like this a chad

 

[reptiles]

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Try to make guy like this a chad

There is multiple things he'd need to do heed need like 200 k ngl well actually less he can get hair transplant jaw fillers and mandibular implants with more focus on lateral width

 

[esoterik]

How!? what do you sell?

im not exactly selling anything to normal people

Western chads differ to Indian and Asian chads tbqh western chads seem to bigger in angularity and hallow Ness Indians chads are bigger on cheek fullness an rounded but defined face large eyes but an universal trait among all 3 chads is a square skull.

East Asian beauty standards that these stupid surgeons stick to makes you have angular but lean jaw with less angularity over all with stronger low set cheek bones and an taller face but not square and angular.

Different race different surgery maxing and looksmaxing protocol

hmm, i dont tend to worry about other races outside of my own. but being white european u dont need a whole lot of bone mass nor massive movements

 

[esoterik]

This thread is low iq, sorry bhai

1. Few features can't be charged -

Skull shape/width/height much - if you have top big of jaw and cheeks Bones and your face is small, you will look Beyond comical, a caricature of sorta

2. Eyes depth/size - nearly impossible to change eyes Area much and usually very uncanny if you go too far with expectations

Most surgeries you suggested don't compliment Harmony and therefore they are bound to fail

So your answer is:

Why don't most normies turn to chad with surgery?

They don't have either good genetic base, ratios or Harmony to ascend while 1-2 features are fixed

otf allows for +3mm pfl, tighten your lids & ptosis correction and you can go from average = big, below average = average/above average

 

[reptiles]

im not exactly selling anything to normal people


hmm, i dont tend to worry about other races outside of my own. but being white european u dont need a whole lot of bone mass nor massive movements

You certainly do if you aiming for a chad your looking at miles on a face if your starting from normies that is you do for all the chads it's just hat European chads are more angular and more gaunt

 

[NZb6Air]

otf allows for +3mm pfl, tighten your lids & ptosis correction and you can go from average = big, below average = average/above average

You certainly do if you aiming for a chad your looking at miles on a face if your starting from normies that is you do for all the chads it's just hat European chads are more angular and more gaunt

i dnr thread but u can go from ltn to chad with 40k usd max

 

[esoterik]

You certainly do if you aiming for a chad your looking at miles on a face if your starting from normies that is you do for all the chads it's just hat European chads are more angular and more gaunt

again, masc chads are not the only chads to exist, prettyboys have just as much appeal to what i want to appeal too (my age range)

 

[esoterik]

i dnr thread but u can go from ltn to chad with 40k usd max

nice rage bait buddy

 

[Dendoni]

There is multiple things he'd need to do heed need like 200 k ngl well actually less he can get hair transplant jaw fillers and mandibular implants with more focus on lateral width

Actually tried to morph, bigger jaw, better eyebrows, hair + better cheekbones a bit and shoulder padá/gym would ascend that guy hard, he Has good base

 

[NZb6Air]

nice rage bait buddy

cope

ercin and shit can do all the soft tissue shit at the end, including fat grafts so u dont have any argument

 

[esoterik]

cope

ercin and shit can do all the soft tissue shit at the end, including fat grafts so u dont have any argument

no argument? did u even think about what you said?

mlf3 costs 40k alone, fix a ltn with a big failo like that... oh wait ltn to chad is like $150k

i know u said that because thats all the money u can save up for but if u could i would have already booked

 

[mightbecooked123]

@reptiles what are the most unfixable failos?

 

[NZb6Air]

no argument? did u even think about what you said?

mlf3 costs 40k alone, fix a ltn with a big failo like that... oh wait ltn to chad is like $150k

i know u said that because thats all the money u can save up for but if u could i would have already booked

nah lf3 and implants and the soft tissue shit is 40k with bro , he doesnt even do mlf3 since it's useless

also im going for LL and other shit too, i'm not stopping at 40k

 

[esoterik]

nah lf3 and implants and the soft tissue shit is 40k with bro , he doesnt even do mlf3 since it's useless

also im going for LL and other shit too, i'm not stopping at 40k

how old are you and how tall are you

 

[kebinGarnett]

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Actually tried to morph, bigger jaw, better eyebrows, hair + better cheekbones a bit and shoulder padá/gym would ascend that guy hard, he Has good base

How is it a good base? His midface is fucked

 

[NZb6Air]

how old are you and how tall are you

pm in conversation to continue

 

[Dendoni]

How is it a good base? His midface is fucked

Looks good after looksmaxxing, somepeople would look almost the same

 

[dough]

More aggresive higher chance of nerve damage

 

[kebinGarnett]

Looks good after looksmaxxing, somepeople would look almost the same

Ig. Still Ltn tho

 

[mightbecooked123]

pm in conversation to continue

I’m interested too can I pm?

 

[BimaxLaser]

pm in conversation to continue

Bro is gatekeeping his age and height jfl

 

[BimaxLaser]

pm in conversation to continue

Add me too chad

 

[NZb6Air]

Bro is gatekeeping his age and height jfl

what it's not about this he was obviously gonna ask more and to not rape this thread, i already said my age and height multiple times

 

[monecel]

Quality thread +1

 

[idkwhattoputhere]

true, despite being ugly my blessing is a really good surgical base. since ill have hopefully around $120k when im mid 18 ill be prob the youngest case of ltn to x (hopefully cl if i play the cards right)

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your base is fucking insane

 

[reptiles]

again, masc chads are not the only chads to exist, prettyboys have just as much appeal to what i want to appeal too (my age range)

Even those pretty boy chads like Thom strijjd have mountains more bone don't fall for that meme that pretty boys have less bonew bro Damien kater has a fuck tonne more bone than rh average white normie a fuck tonne more

 

[Alucard69]

adding volume to an area that didn't lose any isn't a great idea, nasolabials are the result of the fat underneath the eyes drooping down with age, so you either want to get rid of the fat or move it back to where it came from.

if you were to insert paranasel implants underneath a nasolabial fold, the distinct fold shape caused by the fat sagging down would still be there.

beep boop

 

[Alucard69]

Even those pretty boy chads like Thom strijjd have mountains more bone don't fall for that meme that pretty boys have less bonew bro Damien kater has a fuck tonne more bone than rh average white normie a fuck tonne more

Actual bone mass matters very little, the perception of it does. Vito for example has below average face width (and bone prolly by proxy) but he's robust

 

[RealSurgerymax]

@RealSurgerymax is this an accurate thread or did i fuck up

Basically, what we’re talking about here is a full-on skull implant. This is why most people don’t get significant results—they don’t go aggressive enough. They don’t push the surgeons, and as a result, the surgeons stay conservative. It’s a loop: surgeons play it safe, so clients don’t get the results they’re after, which leads to underwhelming outcomes and disappointed patients.

It’s not that these results are impossible; it’s that people don’t gamble, they don’t take risks. And here’s how it works:

The Feedback Loop:

• Scared patients = scared surgeons
• Scared surgeons = underwhelming results
• Underwhelming results = disappointed patients
• Disappointed patients = more online hysteria

And the cycle keeps going.

Exactly. When people really emphasize or try to scare us or ask for too much reassurance (guarantee) we're just gonna take everything to the safe zone because there are no guarantees. I believe they think they're refining and or exacting the result by honing in closer to their desires but they're doing the opposite.

I'm not gonna try to convince you to get the large jaw angles I originally proposed if you express strong concerns because there's a small chance I'll be wrong. I'm just gonna say okay and take the size back. Best to just trust and accept there's some level of risk that you and no one else is responsible for. That means paying for the small chance of a revision.

If you came to ascend subtly that's totally fine and probably the majority of people. But if you came to ascend hard asf you have to accept more risks (mostly financial) - youre not gonna die or anything.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

true, despite being ugly my blessing is a really good surgical base. since ill have hopefully around $120k when im mid 18 ill be prob the youngest case of ltn to x (hopefully cl if i play the cards right)

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You're not ltn you will probably grow up to be quite handsome naturally. Focus on normal things for your age instead of mentally masturbating about surgery you dont need.

 

[reptiles]

Exactly. When people really emphasize or try to scare us we are gonna just take everything to the safe zone. I'm not gonna try to convince you to get the large jaw angles I originally proposed because there's a small chance I'm wrong. I'm just gonna say okay and take the size back. Best to just trust and accept there's some level of risk you and no one else is responsible for.

I know bro I feel the surgeons pain not my fault most men are cucks

 

[esoterik]

You're not ltn you will probably grow up to be quite handsome naturally. Focus on normal things for your age instead of mentally masturbating about surgery you dont need.

im 17 so no, im already grown, also i already saved up a bit of money to get surgery anyway. ill be dming you the day i turn 18

($45k)

also visible recession, enough reason to book surgery

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Exactly. When people really emphasize or try to scare us or ask for too much reassurance (guarantee) we're just gonna take everything to the safe zone because there are no guarantees. I believe they think they're refining and or exacting the result by honing in closer to their desires but they're doing the opposite.

I'm not gonna try to convince you to get the large jaw angles I originally proposed if you express strong concerns because there's a small chance I'll be wrong. I'm just gonna say okay and take the size back. Best to just trust and accept there's some level of risk that you and no one else is responsible for. That means paying for the small chance of a revision.

If you came to ascend subtly that's totally fine and probably the majority of people. But if you came to ascend hard asf you have to accept more risks (mostly financial) - youre not gonna die or anything.

I'm talking about the people who come with sky high expectations for improvement but also have no room for risk.

Saying things like

"I took x years to save up for (the cost of the surgery) I can't afford to do any revisions!"
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as if it will make us work harder or care more. We're already doing our very best regardless. It just means we cant take any risks and we are not gonna push the limit on you. Maybe do no surgery at all.

 

[reptiles]

I'm talking about the people who come with sky high expectations for improvement but also have no room for risk.

Saying things like

"I took x years to save up for (the cost of the surgery) I can't afford to do any revisions"
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thinking it will make us work harder as if we aren't already doing our very best regardless. It just means we cant take any risks and we are not gonna push the limit on you. Maybe do no surgery at all.

Bro I understand your black pilled but your a dime and a dozen how the fuck do you get a surgeon outside of you to even attempt 1/10th the crap obviously I want to come to you when I have money but if your not around I need a back up option or something I can call back on that can offer a possibility of becoming chad all risks being damned I don't give a fuck