why the blackpill/genetic determinism is flawed (high iq)

[mogger123]

think about it: evolution has made it so that humans are pretty adaptable to their environment. most studies show the surpising flexibility and durability of the human body and neuroplasticity of the brain. yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything, environmental influences are extremely important - it's more like quasi genetic determinism.

instead of individuals being points in an n-dimnesional genetic space, we have humans being n-spheres with a radius of possibility in an n-dimensional genetic space.

 

[Deleted member 41079]

Money is just paper with numbers written on it, bro!

 

[mogger123]

Money is just paper with numbers written on it, bro!

randomly state reductionist sentences to make it look like you have valid criticisms of an idea theory

 

[Deleted member 41079]

randomly state reductionist sentences to make it look like you have valid criticisms of an idea theory

I m agreeing with the op, as determinism is just simplistic reductionism

 

[mogger123]

I m agreeing with the op, as determinism is just simplistic reductionism

i see it now. the tone seemed very negative so i got defensive lmao

 

[Deleted member 41079]

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[Deleted member 26642]

You can't choose your environment until it's too late though. If you grow up in an area where you get bullied or left out you're just fucked. Like a black kid growing up in 1950s us or europe. He can't go to a place he fits in when he's like fucking 6 years old. He will grow up to be introverted and mentally fucked just like ugly people nowadays

 

[Sprinkles]

think about it: evolution has made it so that humans are pretty adaptable to their environment. most studies show the surpising flexibility and durability of the human body and neuroplasticity of the brain. yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything, environmental influences are extremely important - it's more like quasi genetic determinism.

instead of individuals being points in an n-dimnesional genetic space, we have humans being n-spheres with a radius of possibility in an n-dimensional genetic space.

nigga what?

 

[mogger123]

You can't choose your environment until it's too late though. If you grow up in an area where you get bullied or left out you're just fucked. Like a black kid growing up in 1950s us or europe. He can't go to a place he fits in when he's like fucking 6 years old. He will grow up to be introverted and mentally fucked just like ugly people nowadays

im not saying people necessarily have agency over the directions of their lives

 

[Deleted member 26642]

im not saying people necessarily have agency over the directions of their lives

Oh yeah you were basically saying how people don't necessarily live to their genetic potential

 

[OGJBSLAYER]

The actual blackpill is physical determinism, which combines determinism and physicalism. This is obviously not true on every scale, but it is applicable to all non-quantum events.

An even more extreme version of determinism would be metaphysical determinism, in which the there is only one possible world that could have come into existence.

 

[Deleted member 41079]

post some matrices or sequences or "guess the person" threads, threads on this subforum are so boring

 

[Deleted member 43374]

You can't choose your environment until it's too late though. If you grow up in an area where you get bullied or left out you're just fucked. Like a black kid growing up in 1950s us or europe. He can't go to a place he fits in when he's like fucking 6 years old. He will grow up to be introverted and mentally fucked just like ugly people nowadays

Blame his parents for bringing him to Europe.

 

[Deleted member 41079]

Blame his parents for bringing him to Europe.

He is a native Englishman from London (Barking and Dagenham).

 

[Deleted member 23558]

I m agreeing with the op, as determinism is just simplistic reductionism

 

[Deleted member 41079]

how

it's just an over-banalized and outdated view of the world, no better than that of schizos who believe in destiny, magic and that "there is a reason for everything". whenever i hear some proud determinist act they are enlightened for holding such a view, I see a retard who doesn't even know why einstein is the synonym for a genius.

read penrose

 

[Deleted member 43374]

think about it: evolution has made it so that humans are pretty adaptable to their environment. most studies show the surpising flexibility and durability of the human body and neuroplasticity of the brain. yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything, environmental influences are extremely important - it's more like quasi genetic determinism.

instead of individuals being points in an n-dimnesional genetic space, we have humans being n-spheres with a radius of possibility in an n-dimensional genetic space.

Twin studies have proven that post prenatally, the environment has little effect. You need to prove that the environment can heavily influence gene expression via encoding proteins for adaptation during the prenatal environment. You and people on the left have failed to do so to a significant degree like with intelligence.

 

[Deleted member 23558]

Anyway you go about it , it’s still determinism all the way down bucko

 

[Deleted member 23558]

how

it's just an over-banalized view of the world, no better than that of schizos who believe in destiny, magic and that "there is a reason for everything". whenever i hear some proud determinist pretend they are enlightened for holding such a view, I see a retard who doesn't even know why einstein is the synonym for a genius.

read penrose

I liked the wording.

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Its all a black box but incel mentality is rooted in a kind of discretizing scientism, a worldview that ironically contributes to the continuation of their lot.

 

[Deleted member 43374]

He is a native Englishman from London (Barking and Dagenham).

How can a black be native to the UK when all of his alleles are adapted to the savanna?

 

[Deleted member 41079]

How can a black be native to the UK when all of his alleles are adapted to the savanna?

he is a white nerd, lmao. idk if he trolled you before, but the only black thing he has is a bbc in his mouth

 

[Deleted member 43374]

he is a white nerd, lmao. idk if he trolled you before, but the only black thing he has is a bbc in his mouth

Jesus, there are so many of these BBC theorists now a days. I hope they collectively decide to rope.

 

[Deleted member 41079]

you two debate

don't know a lot about biology. can tell from his post you quoted alone that he mogs me.

 

[Deleted member 23558]

you two debate

I can debate if you want

 

[incel194012940]

Its all a black box but incel mentality is rooted in a kind of discretizing scientism, a worldview that ironically contributes to the continuation of their lot.

i like that pfp and happy you havve it agian

 

[incel194012940]

Twin studies have proven that post prenatally, the environment has little effect. You need to prove that the environment can heavily influence gene expression via encoding proteins for adaptation during the prenatal environment. You and people on the left have failed to do so to a significant degree like with intelligence.

i remember @Crusile debunked this

 

[mogger123]

Twin studies have proven that post prenatally, the environment has little effect. You need to prove that the environment can heavily influence gene expression via encoding proteins for adaptation during the prenatal environment. You and people on the left have failed to do so to a significant degree like with intelligence.

twin studies are a joke and dont prove shit, taleb btfo's them. you seem retarded ngl

also im not a leftist jfl. it's just pretty clear to anyone with a brain that iq is a meme with no grounding in reality. muh three dots come after muh two dots wow you must be really good at completley unrelated mental activites requiring the use of different mental faculties! (why? because that's how iq is axiomatically defined. it just exists because it does. ok?)

 

[JohnDoe]

Cope because your equations do not take into consideration God.

 

[whiteissuperior]

Bro just used n dimensional space to sound higher iq when the same concept could have been explained in standard 1 or 2 dimensions

 

[mogger123]

Bro just used n dimensional space to sound higher iq when the same concept could have been explained in standard 1 or 2 dimensions

humans have more than two genes my guy

 

[mogger123]

^ you completely missed the point. n = extremely large number that we dont know

 

[Deleted member 41079]

humans have more than two genes my guy

genes are as real as monads

as @yougottadowhatyougot brilliantly pointed out years ago on lookism, genetics = god of the gaps argument

 

[mogger123]

genes are as real as monads

as @yougottadowhatyougot brilliantly pointed out years ago on lookism, genetics = god of the gaps argument

besides the point, humans are made up of something that makes us different from each other. it doesnt matter how specific or exact the terminology im using is

 

[Deleted member 41079]

besides the point, humans are made up of something that makes us different from each other. it doesnt matter how specific or exact the terminology im using is

wasn't meant as an attack on you. just realized dogmatizing genes is just another expression of what i've been telling you for years now (the feyerabend thing)

 

[mogger123]

wasn't meant as an attack on you. just realized dogmatizing genes is just another expression of what i've been telling you for years now (the feyerabend thing)

are you views on philosophy of science exactly in allign with feyerabend?

 

[Deleted member 41079]

are you views on philosophy of science exactly in allign with feyerabend?

no, but they are close enough. flaws of this entire science thing are just so fucking obvious. and we've entered the period where it's becoming acceleratingly obvious decades ago. we're at least 30 years past the "galilei moment" 2.0

 

[mogger123]

no, but they are close enough. flaws of this entire science thing are just so fucking obvious. and we've entered the period where it's becoming acceleratingly obvious decades ago. we're at least 30 years past the "galilei moment" 2.0

i agree that there are no rules/methods and the best thing it to just let smart people do their thing

but i really like popper's ideas at least from a theoretical standpoint

 

[Deleted member 41079]

i agree that there are no rules/methods and the best thing it to just let smart people do their thing

but i really like popper's ideas at least from a theoretical standpoint

infallibility is still just a human-made measure of veracity, depending on our judgment and/or the functionality of man-made machines

people still have a hard time understanding the significance of einstein's discoveries, i guess

 

[mogger123]

infallibility is still just a human-made measure of veracity, depending on our judgment and/or the functionality of man-made machines

people still have a hard time understanding the significance of einstein's discoveries, i guess

yes, please explain it to me

 

[Deleted member 41079]

yes, please explain it to me

what

reference points are just the next best thing we can rely on, that's the main takeaway from his papers on relativity

 

[mogger123]

what

idk you lost me in the first sentence and then implied i dont understand what einstein contributed

 

[Deleted member 41079]

idk you lost me in the first sentence and then implied i dont understand what einstein contributed

check edit

 

[mogger123]

so its just muh its all relative all the way down

 

[whiteissuperior]

^ you completely missed the point. n = extremely large number that we dont know

retard its an analogy

 

[MongolTurk]

yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything,

water, genes matter more than your post would lead someone to believe though. Adaptability is largely genetic as well, some people adapt better than others(I.e building muscle, learning/memorizing, etc.)

 

[Deleted member 41079]

so its just muh its all relative all the way down

It just means the idea of absolute is ultimately no different than any other superstitious delusion

 

[Deleted member 43374]

i remember @Crusile debunked this

He didn't debunk anything. What I'm saying is the crutch of modern genetics, and left has been unable to prove their ideological dogma that has infected every sector of society.

 

[Deleted member 43374]

twin studies are a joke and dont prove shit, taleb btfo's them. you seem retarded ngl

also im not a leftist jfl. it's just pretty clear to anyone with a brain that iq is a meme with no grounding in reality. muh three dots come after muh two dots wow you must be really good at completley unrelated mental activites requiring the use of different mental faculties! (why? because that's how iq is axiomatically defined. it just exists because it does. ok?)

Twin studies are the gold standard for understanding genetics vs. environment debate. Calling them "a joke" is not an argument. IQ has predictive power and it thus has power. You are only proving that you are, in fact, the retard.

 

[mogger123]

Twin studies are the gold standard for understanding genetics vs. environment debate. Calling them "a joke" is not an argument. IQ has predictive power and it thus has power. You are only proving that you are, in fact, the retard.

midwit alert