why the blackpill/genetic determinism is flawed (high iq)

[incel194012940]

Twin studies are the gold standard for understanding genetics vs. environment debate. Calling them "a joke" is not an argument. IQ has predictive power and it thus has power. You are only proving that you are, in fact, the retard.

Twin studies are just looking at twins and writing an article about them it seems more sciency than it is

modern genetics is just a thing that makes corn grow faster

predictive power doesn’t make something “real”

I am a retard with an iq of 73 but it never effect my power to do any thing

 

[incel194012940]

I wish my iq was 65 so I would get well fare and not have to work

 

[LampPostPrime]

think about it: evolution has made it so that humans are pretty adaptable to their environment. most studies show the surpising flexibility and durability of the human body and neuroplasticity of the brain. yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything, environmental influences are extremely important - it's more like quasi genetic determinism.

instead of individuals being points in an n-dimnesional genetic space, we have humans being n-spheres with a radius of possibility in an n-dimensional genetic space.

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[LampPostPrime]

Twin studies are just looking at twins and writing an article about them it seems more sciency than it is

modern genetics is just a thing that makes corn grow faster

predictive power doesn’t make something “real”

I am a retard with an iq of 73 but it never effect my power to do any thing

dude ur iq isn't 73 lmfao with that iq you would have trouble even functioning in society

 

[LampPostPrime]

Its all a black box but incel mentality is rooted in a kind of discretizing scientism, a worldview that ironically contributes to the continuation of their lot.

wtf is "discretizing scientism"?

 

[Deleted member 18582]

wtf is "discretizing scientism"?

The belief that the scientific method can be applied to all problems with the hopes of producing quantitative answers, even when these problems heavily resist such a method. It's the default position of male teens the world over, but I just call it - "chronically unable to read between the lines."

 

[LampPostPrime]

The belief that the scientific method can be applied to all problems with the hopes of producing quantitative answers, even when these problems heavily resist such a method. It's the default position of male teens the world over, but I just call it - "chronically unable to read between the lines."

yea incels seem incapable of understanding subjectivity. also ironically theyre fucking horrible at logic and science lol. i.e. the weekly threads saying height and dick size statistics are a bluepilled conspiracy lmao.

or when @Banasura tried denying the literal studies on psychedelic use by calling me a "papercel" lmfao.

 

[futureashtray]

think about it: evolution has made it so that humans are pretty adaptable to their environment. most studies show the surpising flexibility and durability of the human body and neuroplasticity of the brain. yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything, environmental influences are extremely important - it's more like quasi genetic determinism.

instead of individuals being points in an n-dimnesional genetic space, we have humans being n-spheres with a radius of possibility in an n-dimensional genetic space.

bro youre face cant just adapt if it sees a 6"4 chad.

evolution is when the. stronger faster better species is able to reproduce and survive. Youre doomed with your genetics unless you crispr cass maxx.

when im older ill probably be a millionare and geneticist so ill just change my body extremely

 

[futureashtray]

blackpill/genetic determinism isnt flawed, but its not entirely not our fault.

we all should naturally be like other animals and species, they are all symmetrical, perfect, not deformed, etc

thousands of years of inter breeding have fucked us up also mixing races and ethnicities fucks up gene pools,

also not having proper natural diets, EDCa, other chemicals, never developing proper posture, sedentary lifestyles, etc all cause us to not ever achieve our genetic maximum

every human on earth should look like a chad, stacy, etc for their own pheno. But all these environmental factors ruin everything.

allergies is one of the biggest looksmin environmental factors for example. babies naturally should start nose breathing but since "allergies" started existing now babies mouth breath and fuck up their face long term.

The industrial revolution really did fuck up the human race.

 

[LampPostPrime]

bro youre face cant just adapt if it sees a 6"4 chad.

evolution is when the. stronger faster better species is able to reproduce and survive. Youre doomed with your genetics unless you crispr cass maxx.

when im older ill probably be a millionare and geneticist so ill just change my body extremely

no evolution is simply whoever is most adaptable in whatever form. which isnt necessarily strength and speed. cockroaches have been around for hundreds of millions of years cuz they can survive on a ton of different foods, not cuz theyre strong or fast.

and intelligence is what made humans the giga apex predator, not our strength or speed which is obviously pretty lacking

 

[incel194012940]

dude ur iq isn't 73 lmfao with that iq you would have trouble even functioning in society

They seem fine

 

[futureashtray]

no evolution is simply whoever is most adaptable in whatever form. which isnt necessarily strength and speed. cockroaches have been around for hundreds of millions of years cuz they can survive on a ton of different foods, not cuz theyre strong or fast.

and intelligence is what made humans the giga apex predator, not our strength or speed which is obviously pretty lacking

your adaptations are limited to your genetics bro

 

[LampPostPrime]

They seem fine

iq is extremely flawed. i dont even know i vacillate but i think overall its probably just a weak guildeline but far from perfect. really its obvious that something as complex and abstract as intelligence can't be reduced to a single score. and tbh crusille convinced me that the correlations dont mean as much as i thought

maybe these parents were stressed when taking the test. i have heard iq works best with intellectually disabled and average iqs tho .

 

[futureashtray]

no evolution is simply whoever is most adaptable in whatever form. which isnt necessarily strength and speed. cockroaches have been around for hundreds of millions of years cuz they can survive on a ton of different foods, not cuz theyre strong or fast.

and intelligence is what made humans the giga apex predator, not our strength or speed which is obviously pretty lacking

ok lets talk about species that reproduce asexually, they dont have any genetic diversity because they are all just clones of each other.

like viruses. Why do viruses always find a way to come back? whats their evolution? we humans have developed countless drugs to kill them off but they always come back like the stomach bug and common cold.

 

[Deleted member 4451]

Environment impacts personality but remember, if you have a face or race that is of the weaker kind, then physiognomy will be your downfall.

Why? Because every human has a monkey brain. A brain where they can't resist but stare at your flaws or your strengths. Or your harmony. Or your long high-trust face. Or your compact low-trust face. Their monkey brain takes over and how they treat you will be in accordance with not just what comes out of your mouth, your body language, etc, but your physical appearance including fashion.

That's just the way it is and will always be. You will always do it and so will I and guess what's interesting? Women do it more than men. I've seen my girlfriend do it LOADS and I point it out to her too and she is like; 'oh wow, oh yeah, gosh you're so aware of everything'. If you don't have hair as a man she undervalues what you are saying subconsciously. When we're watching stuff on the television or movies (The characters) together it happens.

Women are emotional creatures and so they are far more susceptible to associating facial and bodily characteristics with personality characteristics. Unless you go out of your way to kill their association, they will see Chads as interesting/mysterious/intelligent etc and ugly guys as creeps/boring/stupid/antisocial. And if you're average they'll expect you to be congruent with that also. So more agreeable, politically correct and not rude at all.

Thing is we all do this. Or have done. Associating girls with angel skulls as innocent and sweet. Even when they prove themselves otherwise, there is this compelling feeling to FIX them. Women do the same to Chads.

So yes. Genetic determinism is strong, because no-matter what way you as an individual look at it, most people, are not going to be bothered to tap into higher levels of consciousness and awareness in order to ensure they tame their primal instincts.

 

[LampPostPrime]

ok lets talk about species that reproduce asexually, they dont have any genetic diversity because they are all just clones of each other.

like viruses. Why do viruses always find a way to come back? whats their evolution? we humans have developed countless drugs to kill them off but they always come back like the stomach bug and common cold.

whats your point with the viruses? theyre technically not even alive. but yea thats a good example of being well adapted. microorganisms are amazing because theyre on a totally different playing field, on some nanowarrior type shit.

its like if aliens bombarded us from the moon, it doesnt matter if we wud mog them on the ground, they can totally play on a different level and mog us from there

 

[Deleted member 4451]

think about it: evolution has made it so that humans are pretty adaptable to their environment. most studies show the surpising flexibility and durability of the human body and neuroplasticity of the brain. yes genes still control stuff but they are not everything, environmental influences are extremely important - it's more like quasi genetic determinism.

instead of individuals being points in an n-dimnesional genetic space, we have humans being n-spheres with a radius of possibility in an n-dimensional genetic space.

If you have subhuman genetics in-terms of intelligence, hard-work or aesthetics... the best environment in the world can't save you.

You won't amount to anything, because your starting base was too weak.

If you start with a reasonable base of those 3 things, then you can manifest yourself into becoming something of worth to the world.

Or if you are exceptionally high in one of those areas.

The take-away is environment matters the most to most people because most people are between a 4-6 in terms of IQ, conscientiousness and aesthetics. You would also imagine most on cuckmax are this too. However there are those that are on the extreme end where their aesthetics are a 2 and they don't have particularly high IQs either.



As just an example. This guy would need to be providing groundbreaking science to the world for him to be of worth to it, as most people won't appreciate him otherwise. He is on such a low end of the spectrum in-terms of looks... that 6-7 / 10 intelligence, character, humour, effort whatever you wanna list, is irrelevant and he will never get positive feedback from society and his environment in order to grow.

 

[LampPostPrime]

If you have subhuman genetics in-terms of intelligence, hard-work or aesthetics... the best environment in the world can't save you.

You won't amount to anything, because your starting base was too weak.

If you start with a reasonable base of those 3 things, then you can manifest yourself into becoming something of worth to the world.

Or if you are exceptionally high in one of those areas.

The take-away is environment matters the most to most people because most people are between a 4-6 in terms of IQ, conscientiousness and aesthetics. You would also imagine most on cuckmax are this too. However there are those that are on the extreme end where their aesthetics are a 2 and they don't have particularly high IQs either.



As just an example. This guy would need to be providing groundbreaking science to the world for him to be of worth to it, as most people won't appreciate him otherwise. He is on such a low end of the spectrum in-terms of looks... that 6-7 / 10 intelligence, character, humour, effort whatever you wanna list, is irrelevant.

environemnt and genes are equally important

 

[LampPostPrime]

and honestly its probably just my shitskin brain talking but that guy at least looks high trust in a goofy lovable anglo way. i'd rather be him than a subhuman ethnic lol

 

[Deleted member 4451]

environemnt and genes are equally important

If you are subhuman in terms of genes, they are all that matter.

You can't disagree with that.

The point is most people are not below a 4 in terms of looks, IQ or work-ethic. They just aren't.

But we must acknowledge there are those that are.

 

[LampPostPrime]

If you are subhuman in terms of genes, they are all that matter.

You can't disagree with that.

The point is most people are not below a 4 in terms of looks, IQ or work-ethic. They just aren't.

But we must acknowledge there are those that are.

having terrible environment is just as bad, you need at least reasonable quality in both. i also assume we are talking about generally being successful in life right? or are we talking about looks alone?

 

[Deleted member 4451]

and honestly its probably just my shitskin brain talking but that guy at least looks high trust in a goofy lovable anglo way. i'd rather be him than a subhuman ethnic lol

All you're saying is is there are some people, men and women, that would be more inclined to virtue signal while around him because that ugly guy is higher trust than other ugly guys.

The point is, he is fucked. No environment saves him.

 

[Deleted member 4451]

having terrible environment is just as bad, you need at least reasonable quality in both. i also assume we are talking about generally being successful in life right? or are we talking about looks alone?

You think having terrible environment with average genetics is just as bad as having terrible genetics with average environment? REALLY? Lmao. No, we are not talking looks alone. IQ, work-ethic, height and looks. It's all largely genetic.

 

[LampPostPrime]

All you're saying is is there are some people, men and women, that would be more inclined to virtue signal while around him because that ugly guy is higher trust than other ugly guys.

The point is, he is fucked. No environment saves him.

yea just saying he does have SOMETHING positive about his appearance. he's obviously still ugly

 

[LampPostPrime]

You think having terrible environment with average genetics is just as bad as having terrible genetics with average environment? REALLY? Lmao. No, we are not talking looks alone. IQ, work-ethic, height and looks. It's all largely genetic.

yea theyre both bad. but for looks alone pretty much everyone has enough nutrition and such to get to their full height, barring sub saharan africa and north korea. look at those 2 places if you want an example of environments effects on height.

and iq is strongly environmental too.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/un...enced,resources, and healthcare and nutrition.

its probably something like exercising the brain when young with museums, books, etc helps to stimulate it so it can grow the best. work ethic is obviously largely environmental too dont really need to argue on that one. altho obviously theres also the natural inclination towards being hard working too

 

[Deleted member 4451]

yea just saying he does have SOMETHING positive about his appearance. he's obviously still ugly

That's relative I guess. If you are comparing perhaps your own short-handed situation to his, then that might be why you are able to force a positive out of it.

That is not objective though. You're being led by your emotions.

Debates such as these require you to be mindful of any emotional biases.

 

[LampPostPrime]

That's relative I guess. If you are comparing perhaps your own short-handed situation to his, then that might be why you are able to force a positive out of it.

That is not objective though. You're being led by your emotions.

Debates such as these require you to be mindful of any emotional biases.

its not a bias lol. he looks harmless ugly. not low trust gollum ugly. thats something to be grateful for. and looks are largely subjective anyways

 

[Deleted member 4451]

yea theyre both bad. but for looks alone pretty much everyone has enough nutrition and such to get to their full height, barring sub saharan africa and north korea. look at those 2 places if you want an example of environments effects on height.

and iq is strongly environmental too.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/traits/intelligence/#:~:text=Intelligence is also strongly influenced,resources, and healthcare and nutrition.

its probably something like exercising the brain when young with museums, books, etc helps to stimulate it so it can grow the best. work ethic is obviously largely environmental too dont really need to argue on that one. altho obviously theres also the natural inclination towards being hard working too

This is definitely native freshie brain at work.

Environment cannot improve your IQ beyond it's maximum potential peak. However it can HALT it from achieving it's maximum potential ceiling.



You are definitely coping after being bullied for years or something it would feel.

 

[LampPostPrime]

This is definitely native freshie brain at work.

Environment cannot improve your IQ beyond it's maximum potential peak. However it can HALT it from achieving it's maximum potential ceiling.



You are definitely coping after being bullied for years or something it would feel.

halting it from achieving max potential is still basically same thing. you end up with lower iq as a result. and this is leaving aside the fact that IQ is FAR from everything lol. @Crusile blackpilled me on iq

 

[Deleted member 4451]

halting it from achieving max potential is still basically same thing. you end up with lower iq as a result. and this is leaving aside the fact that IQ is FAR from everything lol. @Crusile blackpilled me on iq

No it is not the same thing.

If you stuck a black toddler at 1 year of age born in Detroit to Detroit parents in an affluent state with an adopted family and they had him placed in private schooling and he was given the best teaching possible, he would max out his IQ at about 98 and that's being VERY generous. Which is pretty good compared with the 91 he would have been at with shitty environment. Point being his environment was not good enough to get his IQ above the average. Why? His starting block wasn't good enough. His fundamental potential wasn't enough.

 

[Gus17]

The belief that the scientific method can be applied to all problems with the hopes of producing quantitative answers, even when these problems heavily resist such a method. It's the default position of male teens the world over, but I just call it - "chronically unable to read between the lines."

I would argure that for the most part the scientific method can answer any specific physically real question. It’s not some philosophy or golden bullet and can easily be misinterpreted or have bogus data, but it still works when done right. Science can’t tell us how to be happy but it can tell you which soda tastes the best for the average person.

 

[Gus17]

No it is not the same thing.

If you stuck a black toddler at 1 year of age born in Detroit to Detroit parents in an affluent state with an adopted family and they had him placed in private schooling and he was given the best teaching possible, he would max out his IQ at about 98 and that's being VERY generous. Which is pretty good compared with the 91 he would have been at with shitty environment. Point being his environment was not good enough to get his IQ above the average. Why? His starting block wasn't good enough. His fundamental potential wasn't enough.

Cope I’m mulatto and at the top of my class with all As. Also Africa by itself has which more genetic variation then all of Europe and Asia combined why don’t we see much iq differences between countries there if genetics play such a large role.

 

[Deleted member 4451]

Cope I’m mulatto and at the top of my class with all As. Also Africa by itself has which more genetic variation then all of Europe and Asia combined why don’t we see much iq differences between countries there if genetics play such a large role.

Is this seriously an argument?

Your deeper ancestry is partly European.

You had the pretentiousness to say the word 'cope' to this? Really?

Do it with a real negro. Black as anything.

 

[LampPostPrime]

I would argure that for the most part the scientific method can answer any specific physically real question. It’s not some philosophy or golden bullet and can easily be misinterpreted or have bogus data, but it still works when done right. Science can’t tell us how to be happy but it can tell you which soda tastes the best for the average person.

well it actually is a philosophy lol but yea agreed. and studies have been done on happiness and the main takeaway i've seen is that quality relationships is whats most correlated with happiness.

 

[Gus17]

Is this seriously an argument?

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Your deeper ancestry is partly European.

You had the pretentiousness to say the word 'cope' to this? Really?

Do it with a real negro. Black as anything.

You ignored my second argument that Africa has much greater genetic variation. I find it unconvincing that the area with the greatest genetic diversity wouldn’t have a great amount of diversity in iq if it was a genetic variable between “races”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12019240/#:~:text=The average nucleotide diversity (pi,(0.096% +/- 0.012%).

 

[Deleted member 4451]

You ignored my second argument that Africa has much greater genetic variation. I find it unconvincing that the area with the greatest genetic diversity wouldn’t have a great amount of diversity in iq if it was a genetic variable between “races”

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Of course, which is why there are many high IQ black guys around. There is no doubt.

But for the most part, you guys are in the 90-95 range.

 

[yougottadowhatyougot]

genes are as real as monads

as @yougottadowhatyougot brilliantly pointed out years ago on lookism, genetics = god of the gaps argument

pretty sure that comment was legit 5+ years ago, mirin memory