Will Bimax+Genio Be Enough? (Pics)

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Or do you think I need rhino? I’m not trying to be perfect. I’m just wondering if you guys think it’s enough of a failo where it would actually be worth the money. Also gonna see Taban at some point to get my eye area fixed.

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You have a good base for surgery, congrats.

Why would you do a rhino?
 
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You have a good base for surgery, congrats.

Why would you do a rhino?
Thanks man I’m hoping that’s the case. It’s a little too bulbous, upturned, and projecting. I’m wondering if that’ll be completely “corrected” by moving the jaws forward though.
 
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Thanks man I’m hoping that’s the case. It’s a little too bulbous, upturned, and projecting. I’m wondering if that’ll be completely “corrected” by moving the jaws forward though.
Once you've had BSSO it won't look overly projected anymore.

Doesn't look very bulbous to me, I have a legit goblin nose and wish I had your nose.
 
Thanks man I’m hoping that’s the case. It’s a little too bulbous, upturned, and projecting. I’m wondering if that’ll be completely “corrected” by moving the jaws forward though.
Go through the bimax first
 
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Go through the bimax first
I have my bimax planned for middle of next year. No set in stone appointments but I should have more than enough money by then and I’ll be done with school. Taban appointment ideally spring of 2022.
Once you've had BSSO it won't look overly projected anymore.

Doesn't look very bulbous to me, I have a legit goblin nose and wish I had your nose.
What surgeries do you think you need done?
 
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I don't think a rhino is worth it for you to be honest. What are you planning on for eye area?
 
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I have my bimax planned for middle of next year. No set in stone appointments but I should have more than enough money by then and I’ll be done with school. Taban appointment ideally spring of 2022.

What surgeries do you think you need done?
I'm no expert but probably Bimax as you said, also your mouth look a little narrow, it's nothing to cry about but if you have the money you can get MSE.
 
I don't think a rhino is worth it for you to be honest. What are you planning on for eye area?
Cantho, lower lid retraction, and possibly orbital rim implants and fat grafting? Still not sure but I’m expecting it’ll be like a near $20k procedure overall. I’ll have to see what Taban thinks.
I'm no expert but probably Bimax as you said, also your mouth look a little narrow, it's nothing to cry about but if you have the money you can get MSE.
Yeah it is narrow and ideally it would be nice to fix it too but I’m not sure I’ll be able to fit everything in the time frame I’d like so I might just have to accept it. MSE is also a somewhat new procedure with little before/after results so I’d want to see more of those before I even think about that.
 
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You’re really a rare case where your movement just needs to be straight forward, no rotations. You’ll get a good result. How’s your bite?
 
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You’re really a rare case where your movement just needs to be straight forward, no rotations. You’ll get a good result. How’s your bite?
I had braces as a kid so my bite is pretty much perfect aside from my top front 4 teeth slightly overjetting because I lost my retainer and they shifted a bit.

You really don’t think CCW rotation is needed?
 
I don’t think you need genio. Your chin is good. Only flaw I notice is your maxilla seems recessed compared to lower jaw, so a bimax should completely sort it out. Also, You look good from the front, only from the side do I notice any sign of recessed maxilla. How is your bite? Slight underbite?
I had braces as a kid so my bite is pretty much perfect aside from my top front 4 teeth slightly overjetting because I lost my retainer and they shifted a bit.

You really don’t think CCW rotation is needed?
Surprised you have a perfect bite yet are considering jaw surgery. Do you have any functional issues?
 
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I don’t think you need genio. Your chin is good. Only flaw I notice is your maxilla seems recessed compared to lower jaw, so a bimax should completely sort it out. Also, You look good from the front, only from the side do I notice any sign of recessed maxilla. How is your bite? Slight underbite?

Surprised you have a perfect bite yet are considering jaw surgery. Do you have any functional issues?
I don’t have any functional issues. It’s purely for aesthetic reasons. I really need to do research though to figure out the degree to which it’ll affect my front because I don’t want it to only noticeably improve my side profile or else it wouldn’t be worth tens of thousands imo.
 
yes. I recommend getting massater botox as well.
 
I don’t think you need genio. Your chin is good. Only flaw I notice is your maxilla seems recessed compared to lower jaw, so a bimax should completely sort it out. Also, You look good from the front, only from the side do I notice any sign of recessed maxilla. How is your bite? Slight underbite?

Surprised you have a perfect bite yet are considering jaw surgery. Do you have any functional issues?
Man you are a retarded greycel spewing extremely retarded shit. His chin is recessed and has no projection whatsoever, it is too far back and needs to AT LEAST go past his lower lip. His maxilla is indeed recessed and he’s getting jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons not for functional issues.
 
Man you are a retarded greycel spewing extremely retarded shit. His chin is recessed and has no projection whatsoever, it is too far back and needs to AT LEAST go past his lower lip. His maxilla is indeed recessed and he’s getting jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons not for functional issues.
Yeah honestly if anyone on this forum needs proof that gymcelling works, I’m a good example. I do pretty well with girls because of it despite being short and despite my maxilla and chin being recessed to hell lol.

Do you know anything about potentially cheaper jaw surgery procedures overseas? Are they legitimate options to consider or are they too risky?
 
Yeah honestly if anyone on this forum needs proof that gymcelling works, I’m a good example. I do pretty well with girls because of it despite being short and despite my maxilla and chin being recessed to hell lol.

Do you know anything about potentially cheaper jaw surgery procedures overseas? Are they legitimate options to consider or are they too risky?
I’m probably not the person you want to get any recommendations from cause I don’t have any fixable failos. Also, girls just won’t screen you out SPECIFICALLY for recessed chin and maxilla JFL. Some aspies here really believe that females will screen you out for failos like long midface or recessed maxilla despite being an overall good looking person. Freaking aspies.
 
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Man you are a retarded greycel spewing extremely retarded shit. His chin is recessed and has no projection whatsoever, it is too far back and needs to AT LEAST go past his lower lip. His maxilla is indeed recessed and he’s getting jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons not for functional issues.

Fuck off, retard. First of all, I have actually had lefort 1 and BSSO myself seven years ago. I guarantee I know more about this topic than you. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve never done anything looksmax-related besides shitpost. His chin is not “recessed.” Just because it isn’t strong doesn’t automatically mean it is recessed. That’s a huge trend amongst the absolute retards like yourself who post here: black & white thinking. Chins do not fall simply into one of two categories “strong” or “recessed.”

His chin is of moderate projection, neither strong nor weak, and thus a movement provided by jaw surgery alone would likely provide the changes he is looking for.

If his chin was truly recessed as you claim it is, he would have a sloppy submental area and double chin appearance due to lack of projection. But as you can see in his photos, his submental region is actually quite decent.

A sliding genioplasty would only be needed in addition to jaw surgery for a patient who is SEVERELY recessed/underdeveloped in the chin/ lower jaw region, which again, OP is not.
 
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Fuck off, retard. First of all, I have actually had lefort 1 and BSSO myself seven years ago. I guarantee I know more about this topic than you. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve never done anything looksmax-related besides shitpost. His chin is not “recessed.” Just because it isn’t strong doesn’t automatically mean it is recessed. That’s a huge trend amongst the absolute retards like yourself who post here: black & white thinking. Chins do not fall simply into one of two categories “strong” or “recessed.”

His chin is of moderate projection, neither strong nor weak, and thus a movement provided by jaw surgery alone would likely provide the changes he is looking for.

A sliding genioplasty would only be needed in addition for a patient who is SEVERELY recessed/underdeveloped in the chin/ lower jaw region, which again, OP is not.
His chin is weak and has no projection which is far from ideal. Considering how his upper jaw would be brought forward with a lefort 1, his chin will look even WORSE with more maxillary forward growth. I know his lower third will be brought forward as well with BSSO but he at least needs some chin fillers for more projection since his current chin is subhuman.

I have no looksmaxxing to do because my chin and maxilla are fine. All my failos are unfixable.
 
His chin is weak and has no projection which is far from ideal. Considering how his upper jaw would be brought forward with a lefort 1, his chin will look even WORSE with more maxillary forward growth. I know his lower third will be brought forward as well with BSSO but he at least needs some chin fillers for more projection since his current chin is subhuman.

I have no looksmaxxing to do because my chin and maxilla are fine. All my failos are unfixable.
You need to quit speaking so dramatically lmao, how the fuck is his chin “subhuman?” He said himself he does fine with women, are you sure you can’t think of a better word?

I am curious though, since you believe you are such an expert, how many millimeters of advancement do you think he should get for upper jaw, lower jaw, and chin?

Also what are your unfixable failos, besides low IQ?
 
You need to quit speaking so dramatically lmao, how the fuck is his chin “subhuman?” He said himself he does fine with women, are you sure you can’t think of a better word?

I am curious though, since you believe you are such an expert, how many millimeters of advancement do you think he should get for upper jaw, lower jaw, and chin?

Also what are your unfixable failos, besides low IQ?
I don’t know but he doesn’t have good forward growth. I’m not a maxillofacial surgeon to know the exact mms needed to give him a side profile. Personally i think that even if you do fine with females, you can still always improve your looks to make it even easier. My unfixable failo is a long midface.
 
this is whats called a good base for surgery

robust compact widish face

fixable flaws

small midface

only gook tier midface and shit ears kinda stop him from having ideal base but when he breaks his face with lefort he'll be good!!!!
 
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drop to 12% bf in the mean time.
 
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After LF1, I think you'll want to get nasal base reduction. Most maxillary advancement widens the nose. My nasal base and nostrils got a bit wider post surgery. If your bite is good (mine was too because I had braces in the past) you'll probably just be offered a standard LF1 w/posterior downgrafting (granted, we can't see your occlusal plane to know if rotation is an option) + BSSO + genio. Some docs can do the rhinoplasty at the same time though, so if it's that much of a concern you can get it + they'll often recommend it. Like the others have said, this should be a pretty straight forward case for a good surgeon.

If you're surgeon shopping, I've seen Zarrinbal, Raffaini, Alfaro, Gunson all for consultations. My recommendation is to pay for the consultation with Gunson because it's extremely detailed, technical, and he gives you all the information + workup and analysis. Then you at least have a base plan to discuss with the rest.
 
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drop to 12% bf in the mean time.
I’m really low body fat bro (pic below). I think I just have poor facial fat genetics. So I’m hoping moving the jaws forward gives me a leaner look facially.
After LF1, I think you'll want to get nasal base reduction. Most maxillary advancement widens the nose. My nasal base and nostrils got a bit wider post surgery. If your bite is good (mine was too because I had braces in the past) you'll probably just be offered a standard LF1 w/posterior downgrafting (granted, we can't see your occlusal plane to know if rotation is an option) + BSSO + genio. Some docs can do the rhinoplasty at the same time though, so if it's that much of a concern you can get it + they'll often recommend it. Like the others have said, this should be a pretty straight forward case for a good surgeon.

If you're surgeon shopping, I've seen Zarrinbal, Raffaini, Alfaro, Gunson all for consultations. My recommendation is to pay for the consultation with Gunson because it's extremely detailed, technical, and he gives you all the information + workup and analysis. Then you at least have a base plan to discuss with the rest.
Yeah I’ve been worried about it making my nose wider as well. What was the cost of your procedures by the way?
I don’t know but he doesn’t have good forward growth. I’m not a maxillofacial surgeon to know the exact mms needed to give him a side profile. Personally i think that even if you do fine with females, you can still always improve your looks to make it even easier. My unfixable failo is a long midface.
Yeah that’s my mindset. I do well with girls but why not improve myself if I can? Why not make things even easier with girls, open up opportunities with even more attractive ones, and give myself more self confidence so that I don’t have to be insecure about my looks anymore? I try to apply that same mindset to everything in life tbh.
 

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Yeah I’ve been worried about it making my nose wider as well. What was the cost of your procedures by the way?

It's inevitable. I had the cinch placed to help mitigate the impact of my nose widening, but moving the upper jaw forward will always have some impact. Rhinoplasty + jaw surgery is extremely common. My bimax was 40k and it was similar to what I mentioned I think you'll be offered surgically (LF1 with a posterior downgraft, BSSO). My genio was a bit too small. Also, I did surgery first as I mentioned, so I didn't have braces placed on me, I instead had surgery and they will be putting braces on me here in the next few weeks once my orthodontist's office opens up.

Results wise, my side profile looks better without a doubt. I had a large nose with a dorsal hump and it's much more proportioned to my face now (though I will still be getting a rhinoplasty). I'm not happy with upper lip curvature or my small genio. I am also not happy with the outcome of my front profile for various reasons; my face looks longer, which is expected when advancing the lower third, my midface looks a bit longer since my philtrum looks like it got a tad longer (though I've been told this will correct itself once scarring/swelling goes down and the hook is removed), also still unsure how I feel about the cheek area, and my eye area needs work.

IRL, I saw a few girls I knew beforehand ~6-7 weeks post op. I was still swollen. Most agreed that the side profile was an improvement, some liked that I now had a jawline, but at that time I was so swollen the comments on my front profile were that I looked huge and my cheeks looked massive.

That said, I personally view bimax as a stepping stone to other procedures unless you have no other issues. It seems there's a divide, many people seek midface augmentation, rhinoplasty, eye area work post jaw surgery and others don't. I think the ones that are content after it tend to have had really strong features or really good features to begin with that were just masked by recessive jaws. I think I'm in the former group and need eye area work, a rhinoplasty, and side wing/chin wing. I'm still deciding on a lip lift. But, that was expected since typically recessive jaws means recession in other areas of the face.

Pick a surgeon you think will give you good aesthetic results. Also pick one that will work with you post op. If you have functional issues (sleep apnea, etc) or truly need a rotation, some docs don't really do that well. Some docs also don't do 3D planning. Some of the docs I mentioned I don't think would've listened to me complain or discuss my unhappiness with my results, my surgeon has been really good about listening and even discussing a genioplasty/lip correction with him and has been very good about understanding my concerns around the aesthetic result, which I think is arguably just as important as the initial agreement that aesthetics are your main plan for bimax, because if things do go wrong, you want someone that will correct it, not toss you to the side.

I have more info on things like recovery or whatnot, but I already wrote a wall of text, so I'll leave that out for now.
 
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Your head is too wide. Nothing you can do to fix that tho
 
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Nice bigonial width op
 
Go ER fgt tbh ngl
 
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Ofc it will be enough more than enough
 
I’m really low body fat bro (pic below). I think I just have poor facial fat genetics. So I’m hoping moving the jaws forward gives me a leaner look facially.

Yeah I’ve been worried about it making my nose wider as well. What was the cost of your procedures by the way?

Yeah that’s my mindset. I do well with girls but why not improve myself if I can? Why not make things even easier with girls, open up opportunities with even more attractive ones, and give myself more self confidence so that I don’t have to be insecure about my looks anymore? I try to apply that same mindset to everything in life tbh.
you are lean... you assesed your situation correctly bro your face looks at least 3x fatter than your body. i have the same problem to a lesser extent. hope everthing goes well bro.
 
you are lean... you assesed your situation correctly bro your face looks at least 3x fatter than your body. i have the same problem to a lesser extent. hope everthing goes well bro.
Yeah I was debating getting buccal fat removal too but idk. I really don’t want to age myself prematurely and by most accounts with the procedure you’d be removing the “good fat” in your face. Lefort 1/BSSO/Genio will have to be enough to give me some angularity.
 
I’m really low body fat bro (pic below). I think I just have poor facial fat genetics. So I’m hoping moving the jaws forward gives me a leaner look facially.

Yeah I’ve been worried about it making my nose wider as well. What was the cost of your procedures by the way?

Yeah that’s my mindset. I do well with girls but why not improve myself if I can? Why not make things even easier with girls, open up opportunities with even more attractive ones, and give myself more self confidence so that I don’t have to be insecure about my looks anymore? I try to apply that same mindset to everything in life tbh.
Are you natty?
 
Good base
You'll ascend with surgery
 
How much is enough is up to you. Like others have said get bimax before rhino because upper jaw advancement will change the shape shape/position of your nose
 
Are you natty?
Yeah bro, I don’t even take creatine because I don’t want to raise my DHT. I’ve only seriously lifted since middle of last summer. I also haven’t lifted the last month and a half because of this corona shit. I really think people here underestimate natty lifting. My diet is pretty good and I really push myself in the gym and boxing so I make gains quickly. To be fair that pic is with a post workout pump and good lighting so it’s a lot easier to look good in those conditions.
Good base
You'll ascend with surgery
Thanks man. So you’ve gotten bimax? How much was the cost, where did you get it done, and how are the results?
 
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I’m expecting your after pics ngl
 
I’m expecting your after pics ngl
It’s gonna be a while. Hopefully early next year but make no mistake I’ll post after pics for sure.
 
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