Womens dream LTR is an early 30s guy

[YoungJohnnyDepp]

When women think of their ideal partners they dont actaully think of the typical chad that's only for.club sex.

They think of some mature brad pitt type looking guy whos like 32. Like they all love harry styles and he looks like 35 now. And cillian Murphy aswell whose 43. But ideal is 32 ish

For some reason that's the way it is I suppose cause of the maturity and you would have more money at this age. The point is to looksmax and money max to your prime starting even when you're 18.

 

[SendMePicsToRate]

When women think of their ideal partners they dont actaully think of the typical chad that's only for.club sex.

They think of some mature brad pitt type looking guy whos like 32. Like they all love harry styles and he looks like 35 now. And cillian Murphy aswell whose 43. But ideal is 32 ish

For some reason that's the way it is I suppose cause of the maturity and you would have more money at this age. The point is to looksmax and money max to your prime starting even when you're 18.

Just fucking christ my ex kept telling me she wished I was even older than her than I was if I recall correctly suicidefuel for youngcels

 

[gaymidget]

Its called dual mating strategy which is well known in the scientific literature. Women pursue either short term flings which genetic superior and healthy males or they look for long term mates with resources, status, financial security and trust. Depending on which category you belong to, they change their behavior. What it acceptable to do with Chad is not going to be done with a long term prospect because of 1. lack of attraction and 2. not wanting to be viewed as a slut.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Depends on the age of the woman.

The reason that age group is ideal is because it is old enough to clearly have higher status than younger guys (at 32 you will have a lot of life experience, be comfortable in your own skin, maybe house / car and so on), while not so old that bad health indicators start showing in any meaningful way. Depending on genetics this period can last well into your 40s. If a guy is GL, women will want to fuck him even when he's 60 - yes, even younger women. Age = status.

Thats also one of the reasons why its so much better being older, and why people shouldn't rush into committed relationships early. When you're 20, the only available women are like 16-20 realistically, and you'll be losing out to similar looking or even worse looking guys that are older and have more status than you. Once you're 30, you have access to women age ranges 18-30+. The talent pool is absolutely massive on top of the fact that you inherently have more status and likely is in a better position in life at that age.

 

[YoungJohnnyDepp]

Depends on the age of the woman.

The reason that age group is ideal is because it is old enough to clearly have higher status than younger guys (at 32 you will have a lot of life experience, be comfortable in your own skin, maybe house / car and so on), while not so old that bad health indicators start showing in any meaningful way. Depending on genetics this period can last well into your 40s. If a guy is GL, women will want to fuck him even when he's 60 - yes, even younger women. Age = status.

Thats also one of the reasons why its so much better being older, and why people shouldn't rush into committed relationships early. When you're 20, the only available women are like 16-20 realistically, and you'll be losing out to similar looking or even worse looking guys that are older and have more status than you. Once you're 30, you have access to women age ranges 18-30+. The talent pool is absolutely massive on top of the fact that you inherently have more status and likely is in a better position in life at that age.

Yeah exactly and would you also say face is much better than height because if you have an age resistant face strucutre like Cillian Murphy and earn money you could be a dream boyfriend at 32. Rather than being 6'4 which is good but an average face would have aged poorly

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Yeah exactly and would you also say face is much better than height because if you have an age resistant face strucutre like Cillian Murphy and earn money you could be a dream boyfriend at 32. Rather than being 6'4 which is good but an average face would have aged poorly

Height is all about reaching the minimal treshold. 6ft-6ft1 is enough to be viewed as "tall". Any height above that is a plus, but with quickly diminishing returns. Face isn't as straight forward considering there are a lot of variables - a more fitting comparison would be "body"(including height, bodyfat etc) and face (eyes, jaw, hair, cheekbones etc)

If you're TOO SHORT its over, if you're TOO UGLY its over. If you have a face that has aged really well, but you're too short, nothing is going to save you. Same goes if you have good height but face isn't attractive enough.

As for which factor is overall most important, then we have to assume that in both scenarios the minimum requirement is met. If we assume that a guy can be either, lets say:

6ft with PSL 7 face, or
6'5ft with PSL 5 face, then the PSL 7 face will easily win every time. However once we start compariong 6'5 ft PSL 4.5 with 5'8 PSL 7, then the amount of women simply disqualifying the guy based off his height will be larger than the amount of women disqualifying the PSL 4.5 (average) face because the height factor adds so much dimorphism / SMV.

 

[gaymidget]

Depends on the age of the woman.

The reason that age group is ideal is because it is old enough to clearly have higher status than younger guys (at 32 you will have a lot of life experience, be comfortable in your own skin, maybe house / car and so on), while not so old that bad health indicators start showing in any meaningful way. Depending on genetics this period can last well into your 40s. If a guy is GL, women will want to fuck him even when he's 60 - yes, even younger women. Age = status.

Thats also one of the reasons why its so much better being older, and why people shouldn't rush into committed relationships early. When you're 20, the only available women are like 16-20 realistically, and you'll be losing out to similar looking or even worse looking guys that are older and have more status than you. Once you're 30, you have access to women age ranges 18-30+. The talent pool is absolutely massive on top of the fact that you inherently have more status and likely is in a better position in life at that age.

In some ways I agree but again, normally you dont want to be seen as the long term prospect. I would rather be the young babyfaced guy who fucks all the girls in his young 20s with passionate sex than being attractive for having money or a nice job. I know its not as black/white and sometimes status can induce sexual attraction but in general, I disagree. of course its better to have some sex in your 30s than having none at all. But the ideal is being good looking in your 20s and be the guy which a girl lives out her slut phase with, which is solely based on primal, sexual raw attraction.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Height is all about reaching the minimal treshold. 6ft-6ft1 is enough to be viewed as "tall". Any height above that is a plus, but with quickly diminishing returns. Face isn't as straight forward considering there are a lot of variables - a more fitting comparison would be "body"(including height, bodyfat etc) and face (eyes, jaw, hair, cheekbones etc)

If you're TOO SHORT its over, if you're TOO UGLY its over. If you have a face that has aged really well, but you're too short, nothing is going to save you. Same goes if you have good height but face isn't attractive enough.

As for which factor is overall most important, then we have to assume that in both scenarios the minimum requirement is met. If we assume that a guy can be either, lets say:

6ft with PSL 7 face, or
6'5ft with PSL 5 face, then the PSL 7 face will easily win every time. However once we start compariong 6'5 ft PSL 4.5 with 5'8 PSL 7, then the amount of women simply disqualifying the guy based off his height will be larger than the amount of women disqualifying the PSL 4.5 (average) face because the height factor adds so much dimorphism / SMV.

6ft is below average in the netherlands

 

[Deleted member 5185]

6ft is below average in the netherlands

That only matters if you literally live in the netherlands though.

 

[Patient A]

Depends on the age of the woman.

The reason that age group is ideal is because it is old enough to clearly have higher status than younger guys (at 32 you will have a lot of life experience, be comfortable in your own skin, maybe house / car and so on), while not so old that bad health indicators start showing in any meaningful way. Depending on genetics this period can last well into your 40s. If a guy is GL, women will want to fuck him even when he's 60 - yes, even younger women. Age = status.

Thats also one of the reasons why its so much better being older, and why people shouldn't rush into committed relationships early. When you're 20, the only available women are like 16-20 realistically, and you'll be losing out to similar looking or even worse looking guys that are older and have more status than you. Once you're 30, you have access to women age ranges 18-30+. The talent pool is absolutely massive on top of the fact that you inherently have more status and likely is in a better position in life at that age.

But then the competition is massive

overall keep coping

 

[Deleted member 5185]

But then the competition is massive

overall keep coping

This is all assuming you've aged gracefully and actually taken action to be in a better situation than you could've been at a younger age. If you spent your 20s getting fat and working a dead end job, then yeah competition gonna eat you up.

Further, the competition isn't as massive as the amount of women available because most men will be in a LTR / marriage at this point.

 

[Patient A]

This is all assuming you've aged gracefully and actually taken action to be in a better situation than you could've been at a younger age. If you spent your 20s getting fat and working a dead end job, then yeah competition gonna eat you up.

Further, the competition isn't as massive as the amount of women available because most men will be in a LTR / marriage at this point.

Fair point

 

[Deleted member 6380]

Just fucking christ my ex kept telling me she wished I was even older than her than I was if I recall correctly suicidefuel for youngcels

Suicidefuel for who? I only consider girls considerably younger than me

 

[SendMePicsToRate]

Suicidefuel for who? I only consider girls considerably younger than me

It was sarcasm for the most part based off of my experiences, but for young men it would be

 

[Deleted member 6380]

It was sarcasm for the most part based off of my experiences, but for young men it would be

I was about to joke that i like little kids (Where it's legal!), a shame that you didn't see my humor

 

[SendMePicsToRate]

I was about to joke that i like little kids (Where it's legal!), a shame that you didn't see my humor

No your humour hit me just now... Now I am traumatised

 

[Deleted member 5185]

In some ways I agree but again, normally you dont want to be seen as the long term prospect. I would rather be the young babyfaced guy who fucks all the girls in his young 20s with passionate sex than being attractive for having money or a nice job. I know its not as black/white and sometimes status can induce sexual attraction but in general, I disagree. of course its better to have some sex in your 30s than having none at all. But the ideal is being good looking in your 20s and be the guy which a girl lives out her slut phase with, which is solely based on primal, sexual raw attraction.

Didn't see this reply before just now.

Good points - A few points I'd like to address:

1. To your point about being desired for looks vs money or nice job, I definitely get your point - however, consider that if a girl wants you for your high status (fame, rich, popularity) and thinks you are GL (which is a prerequisite unless gold digger) then the desire will be very strong. Also her sexual desire and attraction to a guy who is say 30 vs a guy who is say 20 will be helped a lot more than the positive status changes that have happened for the guy in his 30s vs the small collagen benefits the 20 year old holds.

2. Most young guys are extremely bad in bed and insecure to differing degrees. Finding a Chad is hard enough, finding a young Chad that can hold a candle to an older guy in terms of maxxing out SMV in other aspects is essentially impossible. Their lack of maturity and insecurity will often shine through.

With that being said, if the premise is being true Chad in young 20s vs more average or HTN guy in 30s... Yeah I agree, better to be Chad. Because at the end of the day, looks wins.

 

[RichardSpencel]

Keep fucking coping,women desire 16yo badboy HS star athlete Chad's,

Muh "Men age like wine"

It's fucking over once you leave HS

LIFE ENDS AT 18.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Keep fucking coping,women desire 16yo badboy HS star athlete Chad's,

Muh "Men age like wine"

It's fucking over once you leave HS

LIFE ENDS AT 18.

How old are you? 19?

 

[YoungJohnnyDepp]

Keep fucking coping,women desire 16yo badboy HS star athlete Chad's,

Muh "Men age like wine"

It's fucking over once you leave HS

LIFE ENDS AT 18.

I know man I just realized this. Look at my new post in the money making section.

We are still animals. Even low inhib is more important than money

 

[Deleted member 4106]

Didn't see this reply before just now.

Good points - A few points I'd like to address:

1. To your point about being desired for looks vs money or nice job, I definitely get your point - however, consider that if a girl wants you for your high status (fame, rich, popularity) and thinks you are GL (which is a prerequisite unless gold digger) then the desire will be very strong. Also her sexual desire and attraction to a guy who is say 30 vs a guy who is say 20 will be helped a lot more than the positive status changes that have happened for the guy in his 30s vs the small collagen benefits the 20 year old holds.

2. Most young guys are extremely bad in bed and insecure to differing degrees. Finding a Chad is hard enough, finding a young Chad that can hold a candle to an older guy in terms of maxxing out SMV in other aspects is essentially impossible. Their lack of maturity and insecurity will often shine through.

With that being said, if the premise is being true Chad in young 20s vs more average or HTN guy in 30s... Yeah I agree, better to be Chad. Because at the end of the day, looks wins.

You speak in a way as if every 30 year old guy ages well. And the fact that he has more smv is nothing, if he is ugly he will still not attract women, it all comes down to looks.

Most of the guys who are bad in bed, do not bring in any way, 80/20.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

You speak in a way as if every 30 year old guy ages well. And the fact that he has more smv is nothing, if he is ugly he will still not attract women, it all comes down to looks.

Most of the guys who are bad in bed, do not bring in any way, 80/20.

1. Everything I talk about is obviously contingent on the guy not looking like shit. If you look like shit, its over. We all know that.
2. More SMV is the only thing that matters. If you're ugly and short, you can't move your SMV unless wildly famous basically.
3. Most guys ARE bad in bed. Even decent looking guys. Slayers are good in bed. Most guys have sex from time to time.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

1. Everything I talk about is obviously contingent on the guy not looking like shit. If you look like shit, its over. We all know that.
2. More SMV is the only thing that matters. If you're ugly and short, you can't move your SMV unless wildly famous basically.
3. Most guys ARE bad in bed. Even decent looking guys. Slayers are good in bed. Most guys have sex from time to time.

1 even if the guy is a normie, we don't know if he will be better at 30, after 20 years collagen production starts to drop, only men can get better
2 Looks is all that matters, if you look better at 20 (as is the case with most), then this is your biggest smv.
Most guys with 30 who copy with smv, are betabux.
3 A guy who has sex several times a month can't be bad in bed. And women feel horny, even though most of them don't reach orgasm, they like sex.
4 If you want to be good in bed, you must have a lot of sex, including in adolescence.
5At 20 years old it is more socially acceptable to date prime Jb, at 30 you will hardly get it

 

[Deleted member 5185]

1 even if the guy is a normie, we don't know if he will be better at 30, after 20 years collagen production starts to drop, only men can get better
2 Looks is all that matters, if you look better at 20 (as is the case with most), then this is your biggest smv.
Most guys with 30 who copy with smv, are betabux.
3 A guy who has sex several times a month can't be bad in bed. And women feel horny, even though most of them don't reach orgasm, they like sex.
4 If you want to be good in bed, you must have a lot of sex, including in adolescence.
5At 20 years old it is more socially acceptable to date prime Jb, at 30 you will hardly get it

1. Again, all of this is assuming that he ages gracefully. If he gets uglier with age, OBVIOUSLY this won't make up for it
2. Most men don't look better at age 20 vs age 30 - maybe to PSL autists, but not women.
3. They definitely can. There are porn actors that are bad in bed.
4. You don't need to have sex in adolesence, that is completely meaningless. Why would that matter? How could that possibly impact how good you are in bed vs experience gained later? Completely nonsensical.
5. If you want girls younger than 18 then .. yeah. This is assuming you're a normal adult.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

1. Again, all of this is assuming that he ages gracefully. If he gets uglier with age, OBVIOUSLY this won't make up for it
2. Most men don't look better at age 20 vs age 30 - maybe to PSL autists, but not women.
3. They definitely can. There are porn actors that are bad in bed.
4. You don't need to have sex in adolesence, that is completely meaningless. Why would that matter? How could that possibly impact how good you are in bed vs experience gained later? Completely nonsensical.
5. If you want girls younger than 18 then .. yeah. This is assuming you're a normal adult.

1 Few men age well, that's the problem.
2 Loss of collagen, bald. Only guys with good genetics will be fine, and even then, they are already at their peak at 20.
3 You are right.
4 Mental health, there is research to prove it. Both would be virgins, after 20 most women have high body counts.
And you are just gaining experience earlier, I will not wait until I'm 30. And you contradict yourself, how will you get sexual experience? Having sex? So why is a young guy who has a lot of sex bad in bed?
5 How old do you think women are? What age do you think they have less body counts?

 

[RichardSpencel]

How old are you? 19?

43,just here for looksmaxxing tips,want to "ascend" (I think that's what you guys call it)

 

[Deleted member 5185]

1 Few men age well, that's the problem.
2 Loss of collagen, bald. Only guys with good genetics will be fine, and even then, they are already at their peak at 20.
3 You are right.
4 Mental health, there is research to prove it. Both would be virgins, after 20 most women have high body counts.
And you are just gaining experience earlier, I will not wait until I'm 30. And you contradict yourself, how will you get sexual experience? Having sex? So why is a young guy who has a lot of sex bad in bed?
5 How old do you think women are? What age do you think they have less body counts?

1. I don't think thats the case at all. The reason few men age well is because they get fat and don't actively looksmax, not because their genetics ruin them by age 35.
2. I definitely did not peak in my early 20s. I look noticeably better both from a masc perspective and a PSL perspective at age 29.
4. Experience in bed is essentially a necessity, but not a guarantee for being good in bed.
5. Its not relevant what bodycount the women has. The relevant part is what bodycount you ( a man ) can get at any point

 

[Deleted member 4106]

1. I don't think thats the case at all. The reason few men age well is because they get fat and don't actively looksmax, not because their genetics ruin them by age 35.
2. I definitely did not peak in my early 20s. I look noticeably better both from a masc perspective and a PSL perspective at age 29.
4. Experience in bed is essentially a necessity, but not a guarantee for being good in bed.
5. Its not relevant what bodycount the women has. The relevant part is what bodycount you ( a man ) can get at any point

1 Even so they will look better at 20
2 You probably had flaws and fixed them, if you had done this earlier, you would have reached the prime earlier.
3 Guaranteed or not, having sex in adolescence is a good thing
4 Lol, promiscuous women cheat more, are more likely to have diseases, are wider, and as they have had more sex, they will be more experienced than you, and will need a bigger penis

 

[Deleted member 5185]

1 Even so they will look better at 20
2 You probably had flaws and fixed them, if you had done this earlier, you would have reached the prime earlier.
3 Guaranteed or not, having sex in adolescence is a good thing
4 Lol, promiscuous women cheat more, are more likely to have diseases, are wider, and as they have had more sex, they will be more experienced than you, and will need a bigger penis

1. Not necessarily
2. You be the judge, photos at the bottom
3. Its irrelevant if you're having sex at age 15 or age 25. The important part is gaining experience.
4. Again, irrelevant for the argument

Me age 20 vs 28:

 

[hairyballscel]

However once we start compariong 6'5 ft PSL 4.5 with 5'8 PSL 7, then the amount of women simply disqualifying the guy based off his height will be larger than the amount of women disqualifying the PSL 4.5 (average) face because the height factor adds so much dimorphism / SMV.

Psl 7 and 5’8 mogs 6’5 and psl 4.5

Height past 6ft adds little to nothing in terms of SMV and dimorphism
Unless your in country with 6ft average

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Psl 7 and 5’8 mogs 6’5 and psl 4.5

Height past 6ft adds little to nothing in terms of SMV and dimorphism
Unless your in country with 6ft average

There is a huge difference between 5'8 and 6ft. Most women disqualify men at 5'8. An argument could be made about most women also disqualifying a PSL 4.5 face, however I think more women are willing to settle with an average face but tall height than women would settle for short height and pretty face.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

1. Not necessarily
2. You be the judge, photos at the bottom
3. Its irrelevant if you're having sex at age 15 or age 25. The important part is gaining experience.
4. Again, irrelevant for the argument

Me age 20 vs 28:

1 I don't see differences in the photos, in the first you have a terrible smile
2 Better mental health, virgin or low-body girls, girls at their peak, and the sooner the better.
3Lol, you just confirmed my argument, you have an insane bony structure, most guys are not like you

 

[Deleted member 5185]

1 I don't see differences in the photos, in the first you have a terrible smile
2 Better mental health, virgin or low-body girls, girls at their peak, and the sooner the better.
3Lol, you just confirmed my argument, you have an insane bony structure, most guys are not like you

So you think me at 20 was doing equally well as me at 28 in terms of attracting women, as long as I don't smile awkwardly? lmfao

 

[hairyballscel]

Most women disqualify men at 5'8

There are too many factors such as location for you to outright claim this

Most Women are not turning down a psl 7 man for being 5’8

5’8 isn’t that short

 

[Deleted member 5185]

There are too many factors such as location for you to outright claim this

Most Women are not turning down a psl 7 man for being 5’8

5’8 isn’t that short
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Here in Norway at least, with an average male height of 5'10, a height of 5'8 will basically entirely disqualify men for most women. I mean, if the tiktok 6ft memes and real life experience doesn't convince you, nothing I can say will do so either.

 

[Chadeep]

1. Not necessarily
2. You be the judge, photos at the bottom
3. Its irrelevant if you're having sex at age 15 or age 25. The important part is gaining experience.
4. Again, irrelevant for the argument

Me age 20 vs 28:

You have better face than Most Guys at 28 Chad.

 

[hairyballscel]

Here in Norway at least, with an average male height of 5'10, a height of 5'8 will basically entirely disqualify men for most women. I mean, if the tiktok 6ft memes and real life experience doesn't convince you, nothing I can say will do so either.

Muh tiktok, 15% of the male population is 6ft and above yet most men have sex/are in relationships

5’8 in London has no issues with slaying as long as you have decent face

 

[Deleted member 4106]

So you think me at 20 was doing equally well as me at 28 in terms of attracting women, as long as I don't smile awkwardly? lmfao

You completely misrepresented my argument, both look good. But you took a photo in sepia with a strange smile to validate your argument.

 

[Deleted member 5185]

You completely misrepresented my argument, both look good. But you took a photo in sepia with a strange smile to validate your argument.

No, I took a photo of me being a lot younger than I am now and compared the two. If you truly believe that I don't look better today, then there's not much I can say.

How did I misrepresent your argument? You say there is little difference between the picture to deflect my argument. How could that mean anything else than me not being any more attractive to women now vs whne I was 20 in terms of looks?

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Muh tiktok, 15% of the male population is 6ft and above yet most men have sex/are in relationships

5’8 in London has no issues with slaying as long as you have decent face

And what percentage of people do you think are slaying?

Most men have sex from time to time, I don't think most men are in a relationship during their 20s. In fact I think most men are completely single and get sex at irregular intervals.

There is a difference between slaying and getting some from time to time. If you truly believe that being 5'8 and have a "decent face" is enough for slaying in the western hemisphere, there really is nothing I can say. You've lost contact with the earth.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

No, I took a photo of me being a lot younger than I am now and compared the two. If you truly believe that I don't look better today, then there's not much I can say.

How did I misrepresent your argument? You say there is little difference between the picture to deflect my argument. How could that mean anything else than me not being any more attractive to women now vs whne I was 20 in terms of looks?

Again, you proved my point, you have good genetics, an average guy doesn't have that privilege.
To prove your point, you literally show me a guy with very good bone structure

understand, you don't represent all men

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Again, you proved my point, you have good genetics, an average guy doesn't have that privilege.
To prove your point, you literally show me a guy with very good bone structure

understand, you don't represent all men

This is the quote from you which the images relates to:

"2 You probably had flaws and fixed them, if you had done this earlier, you would have reached the prime earlier."

Where is the failos that I fixed?

I've said it many times already: Obviously there is a prerequisite to look good as you age, nobody is going to go from quasimodo to Chico by simply aging. The point is that you do not necessarily become worse looking.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

This is the quote from you which the images relates to:

"2 You probably had flaws and fixed them, if you had done this earlier, you would have reached the prime earlier."

Where is the failos that I fixed?

I've said it many times already: Obviously there is a prerequisite to look good as you age, nobody is going to go from quasimodo to Chico by simply aging. The point is that you do not necessarily become worse looking.

You already looked good to start.
Again, an average guy will not have that privilege
You are wanting to put your experience, having a bone structure far above the average, as a rule

 

[Deleted member 5185]

You already looked good to start.
Again, an average guy will not have that privilege
You are wanting to put your experience, having a bone structure far above the average, as a rule

You're misrepresenting my argument. You seem to believe I am saying "everyone will look better as they get older". Thats not what I'm saying. I'm using myself as an example to show someone getting better looking as they age. There are examples of the opposite happening (Chico Lachowski), and other examples again where they do get better looking.

The key part of my argument is this:

Many guys will get better looking simply in terms of genetics, but more importantly, they will be further along in their looksmaxx journey and overall SMV journey. This obviously only matters if you have good enough genetics in the first place, and don't get worse looking through getting fat or doing nothing to increase SMV. The entire point is that getting older as a whole is a benefit for most guys, and the looks impact isn't detrimental because of age, but other factors.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

You're misrepresenting my argument. You seem to believe I am saying "everyone will look better as they get older". Thats not what I'm saying. I'm using myself as an example to show someone getting better looking as they age. There are examples of the opposite happening (Chico Lachowski), and other examples again where they do get better looking.

The key part of my argument is this:

Many guys will get better looking simply in terms of genetics, but more importantly, they will be further along in their looksmaxx journey and overall SMV journey. This obviously only matters if you have good enough genetics in the first place, and don't get worse looking through getting fat or doing nothing to increase SMV. The entire point is that getting older as a whole is a benefit for most guys, and the looks impact isn't detrimental because of age, but other factors.

That's the problem, it happens to a few guys.
And when you’re older, you’ll have to date older girls

 

[Deleted member 5185]

That's the problem, it happens to a few guys.
And when you’re older, you’ll have to date older girls

No you don't - at age 30+ you can date anyone from 18 to 30+, while at age 20 you can realistically only date 17-20.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

No you don't - at age 30+ you can date anyone from 18 to 30+, while at age 20 you can realistically only date 17-20.

Again few guys do it. It is very difficult for an older guy to date a younger one, and when that happens it is because the guy is handsome and has aged well, which is your case.
17-20 is the best age group anyway, I have already listed the benefits

 

[Deleted member 5185]

Again few guys do it. It is very difficult for an older guy to date a younger one, and when that happens it is because the guy is handsome and has aged well, which is your case.
17-20 is the best age group anyway, I have already listed the benefits

There is no point discussing this further, our world view is a billion miles apart. I'm guessing you're very young.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

There is no point discussing this further, our world view is a billion miles apart. I'm guessing you're very young.

Okay, but just because I'm too lazy to write

 

[Deleted member 4106]

There is no point discussing this further, our world view is a billion miles apart. I'm guessing you're very young.

The peak of women is in youth, I did not understand our divergence