thats not the most efficient approach brainstorming in a group will yield best results that benefit everyone
Chances are 1 or 2 of you are IQMaxxed beyond belief in comparison to the rest of the group and they will end up doing all the work.
TLDR at bottom but read if you want to IQ max on the subjectIs this legit or bs?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
They found that even despite no exercise, muscle mass still increased relative to the placebo group
Do note that the study (and myself) suggest that you should still combine test and exercise. There is a ton left to milk being left on the table. Also do note that this was on 600mg of test cycle for 10 weeks, not a measly dose.
The study also noted that those who took test and exercised also benefited from fat free mass gains. That is to say, despite taking test with no exercise, your muscle size and strength may increase, but its likely you will remain fat/lose only some fat.
thank you for this input but i wanted to go more into detail for people to start blasting how to do it how to avoid sides like gyno and acne etc hairloss and complete shutdown ykTLDR at bottom but read if you want to IQ max on the subject
I have bolded and underlined key points in the quotes below.
Well there was a study that took a look at what happens if you give guys test (in the study, it was test e 200mg) and put them on a large caloric deficit while maintaining training.
I know its not exactly the same question, but yet their lean mass increased despite a deficit, which is generally impossible natty unless you are a complete beginner in the gym.
Effects of testosterone supplementation on body composition and lower-body muscle function during severe exercise- and diet-induced energy deficit: A proof-of-concept, single centre, randomised, double-blind, controlled trial
Severe energy deficits during military operations, produced by significant increases in exercise and limited dietary intake, result in conditions that degrade lean body mass and lower-body muscle function, which may be mediated by concomitant reductions ...
N = 50
Here is another well known study (note that N only = 43)
The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men - PubMed
Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.
They found that even despite no exercise, muscle mass still increased relative to the placebo group
Do note that the study (and myself) suggest that you should still combine test and exercise. There is a ton left to milk being left on the table. Also do note that this was on 600mg of test cycle for 10 weeks, not a measly dose.
The study also noted that those who took test and exercised also benefited from fat free mass gains. That is to say, despite taking test with no exercise, your muscle size and strength may increase, but its likely you will remain fat/lose only some fat.
TLDR :
Yes, taking test and doing fuck all will likely increase muscle size/strength (reductions in fat are debatable however), although no where close near taking test and exercising at the same time. It is still possible to look like a dyel while on test + no exercise.
It is also highly dose dependant.
Ok, so once someone starts taking test does that mean that they can never go off it so the lean mass you can while supplementing test if someone was to stop taking it would go away?TLDR at bottom but read if you want to IQ max on the subject
I have bolded and underlined key points in the quotes below.
Well there was a study that took a look at what happens if you give guys test (in the study, it was test e 200mg) and put them on a large caloric deficit while maintaining training.
I know its not exactly the same question, but yet their lean mass increased despite a deficit, which is generally impossible natty unless you are a complete beginner in the gym.
Effects of testosterone supplementation on body composition and lower-body muscle function during severe exercise- and diet-induced energy deficit: A proof-of-concept, single centre, randomised, double-blind, controlled trial
Severe energy deficits during military operations, produced by significant increases in exercise and limited dietary intake, result in conditions that degrade lean body mass and lower-body muscle function, which may be mediated by concomitant reductions ...
N = 50
Here is another well known study (note that N only = 43)
The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men - PubMed
Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.
They found that even despite no exercise, muscle mass still increased relative to the placebo group
Do note that the study (and myself) suggest that you should still combine test and exercise. There is a ton left to milk being left on the table. Also do note that this was on 600mg of test cycle for 10 weeks, not a measly dose.
The study also noted that those who took test and exercised also benefited from fat free mass gains. That is to say, despite taking test with no exercise, your muscle size and strength may increase, but its likely you will remain fat/lose only some fat.
TLDR :
Yes, taking test and doing fuck all will likely increase muscle size/strength (reductions in fat are debatable however), although no where close near taking test and exercising at the same time. It is still possible to look like a dyel while on test + no exercise.
It is also highly dose dependant.
I was just responding to Moggie.
As far as I know the whole thing about “never going off it” is more so to do with post cycle therapy.
yeah ill help out with what I know. Dont know too much about hard stuff but Ik a fair amount of light stuff and gh
Dm me bro
its insane how far you can get with even trt dosages.Is this legit or bs?
how many ng dl has an average trt enjoyer
I dont know those ng dl stats but trt dosages are 250 mg at max.
im pretty knowledgeable in this subject, so i could help
dm me dawg
