would taking l-arginine alongside intaking 100g of sugar pre and post workout be counteractive?

[bingbongwitalinglon]

the whole shmick of l-arginine is to give a GH boost, however the point of sugar is to of course raise insulin in order to boost IGF … the thing is though doesn’t GH and IGF have an indirect relationship?

when GH is high, IGF is supposed to be low and when IGF is high, GH is supposed to be low, so should i be ditching one of those before and after my workout or still keep them?

 

[James holder]

Diabetes speedrun, igf 1 signalling is cope and insulin sensitivity is neccasary for igf 1 efficasy

 

[mohito]

Spikes caused by sugar and l-arginine are short lived and don’t meaningfully raise circulating IGF-1. IGF-1 production is mainly liver driven and stimulated by chronic gh exposure not acute pulses.
It simply isn’t gonna move IGF-1 enough to have any significant anabolic effect on bones or muscles. Its all pure distilled cope.

Make sure to mark this post as solution, just click the check mark on my right

 

[bingbongwitalinglon]

Diabetes speedrun, igf 1 signalling is cope and insulin sensitivity is neccasary for igf 1 efficasy

i speak an ounce of the word “igf” and mfs go straight to clark kents copefuel … im still using fast acting carbs before and after a workout for energy lil nigga

 

[bingbongwitalinglon]

Spikes caused by sugar and l-arginine are short lived and don’t meaningfully raise circulating IGF-1. IGF-1 production is mainly liver driven and stimulated by chronic gh exposure not acute pulses.
It simply isn’t gonna move IGF-1 enough to have any significant anabolic effect on bones or muscles. Its all pure distilled cope.

Make sure to mark this post as solution, just click the check mark on my right

this is not solution worthy at all, doesn’t even give me any actionable action just dogs on my whole post i still have l-arginine and dextrose at my hands so i will use them either way whether it be shitty or not shitty

however that sugar and l-arginine spike is still “short lived” even with pairing with intense and or weightlifting excercise? (which is already supposed to naturally increase GH and IGF)

and idk about chronic GH exposure because like i said in my post u cannot have high GH and high IGF at the same time, unless u ofc pin both compounds but that is not the scenario and quite tricky timing

 

[bingbongwitalinglon]

bump, requesting high iq users

 

[mohito]

this is not solution worthy at all, doesn’t even give me any actionable action just dogs on my whole post i still have l-arginine and dextrose at my hands so i will use them either way whether it be shitty or not shitty

however that sugar and l-arginine spike is still “short lived” even with pairing with intense and or weightlifting excercise? (which is already supposed to naturally increase GH and IGF)

and idk about chronic GH exposure because like i said in my post u cannot have high GH and high IGF at the same time, unless u ofc pin both compounds but that is not the scenario and quite tricky timing

There is no synergistic mechanism from combining exercise with these cope substance, since neither produce significant physiological gh rise on their own. Acute insulin increases can improve local nutrient uptake but they dont actually raise circulating igf-1.
Pairing arginine or sugar with lifting doesnt make these spikes physiologically potent enough for systemic igf-1.
Acute gh spikes (either from lifting or arginine) don’t instantly generate a high igf-1 peak. Igf-1 rises meaningfully only with chronic repeated gh exposure, such as consistent pinning hgh or long term natural gh elevation from age appropriate peaks.
Even if gh spikes from lifting, the resulting igf-1 increase is gradual and moderate and u won’t achieve simultaneous "high GH + high igf-1" simply by stacking arginine and sugar.
This whole idea of "pinning gh + stacking sugar" for a workout level spike is largely futile since the liver won’t instantly release a systemic igf-1 surge strong enough to drive meaningful bone development or muscle growth

I would appreciate if u mark solution now

 

[Zagro]

this is not solution worthy at all, doesn’t even give me any actionable action just dogs on my whole post i still have l-arginine and dextrose at my hands so i will use them either way whether it be shitty or not shitty

however that sugar and l-arginine spike is still “short lived” even with pairing with intense and or weightlifting excercise? (which is already supposed to naturally increase GH and IGF)

and idk about chronic GH exposure because like i said in my post u cannot have high GH and high IGF at the same time, unless u ofc pin both compounds but that is not the scenario and quite tricky timing

Ignore that dumb ass nigga take your dextrose however you want it’s great, pre-intra-post however

You can take arginine at other times of the day

 

[bingbongwitalinglon]

There is no synergistic mechanism from combining exercise with these cope substance, since neither produce significant physiological gh rise on their own.

im assuming this is addressing the claim that lifting and arginine increase GH, not the use of sugar as that is to spike insulin

Acute insulin increases can improve local nutrient uptake but they dont actually raise circulating igf-1.

do u consider 100g of dextrose pre and post workout an “acute insulin increase”? something that is high asf in the GI

Pairing arginine or sugar with lifting doesnt make these spikes physiologically potent enough for systemic igf-1.

like i said, since i have both cope substances at my arsenal, im still gonna use them even if they are not potent enough … and i hope ur whole argument isn’t comparing these simple supplements to pinning the actual compounds itself bc fucking obviously those will give 2 varying results

Acute gh spikes (either from lifting or arginine) doesn’t instantly generate a high igf-1 peak. Igf-1 rises meaningfully only with chronic repeated gh exposure, such as consistent pinning hgh or long term natural gh elevation from age appropriate peaks.

if ur gh is chronically high all the time, u will not be giving igf the chance to rise … i thought i made that very clear that they have an indirect relationship, also can u clarify about wtf “age appropriate peaks” are? are u just saying the natural pulses gh is supposed to follow

Even if gh spikes from lifting, the resulting igf-1 increase is gradual and moderate and u won’t achieve simultaneous "high GH + high igf-1" simply by stacking arginine and sugar.

not trying to achieve high gh and high igf since that cannot happen, and what is wrong with the gradual and moderate igf increase? im assuming its not enough (its never enough strikes again) for seeking the muscle and bone benefit and whatnot

This whole idea of "pinning gh + stacking sugar" for a workout level spike is largely futile since the liver won’t instantly release a systemic igf-1 surge strong enough to drive meaningful bone development or muscle growth

yes the liver will not instantly release igf, assuming that i used my workout for a gh pulse, the gh is gradually supposed to tell the liver to start pumpin out the igf shit … but u must be against that since “chronically high igf” is the key

I would appreciate if u mark solution now

sadly zagro debunked u

 

[mohito]

im assuming this is addressing the claim that lifting and arginine increase GH, not the use of sugar as that is to spike insulin

Completely true

do u consider 100g of dextrose pre and post workout an “acute insulin increase”? something that is high asf in the GI

Acute insulin increase isnt about how high the glycemic index is, its about the magnitude and timing. 100 g of dextrose pre or post will means a very rapid acute rise in insulin

like i said, since i have both cope substances at my arsenal, im still gonna use them even if they are not potent enough … and i hope ur whole argument isn’t comparing these simple supplements to pinning the actual compounds itself bc fucking obviously those will give 2 varying results

Thats like having a ferrari and a tricycle in your garage and deciding to always drive both at the same time to have the "optimum" results

if ur gh is chronically high all the time, u will not be giving igf the chance to rise … i thought i made that very clear that they have an indirect relationship, also can u clarify about wtf “age appropriate peaks” are? are u just saying the natural pulses gh is supposed to follow

The point is that igf-1 responds to integrated repeated gh activity over time, not minute to minute gh surges. “age appropriate peaks” just means the bodys natural gh pulses which occur mostly during sleep, exercise or growth periods (higher in kids and teens)

not trying to achieve high gh and high igf since that cannot happen, and what is wrong with the gradual and moderate igf increase? im assuming its not enough (its never enough strikes again) for seeking the muscle and bone benefit and whatnot

Correct. For significant anabolic effects, igf-1 needs to be elevated consistently and at higher levels (via therapeutic intervention). The issue is simply that the moderate igf-1 increase from arginine/sugar is too small to produce the muscle/bone benefits u desperately seek (because i'm sure the reason of your loneliness is that 2 pounds of extra muscle mass)

yes the liver will not instantly release igf, assuming that i used my workout for a gh pulse, the gh is gradually supposed to tell the liver to start pumpin out the igf shit … but u must be against that since “chronically high igf” is the key

I wasn’t arguing that a surge is what causes growth, when i said the "surge" is futile, the point was that neither an acute spike nor the small downstream bump in igf‑1 meaningfully changes the chronic signaling environment required for growth

sadly zagro debunked u

He didn’t debunk shit, he just told u to do it however u want, which is the same thing a junkie whore mom would tell her son.
Don't know that nigga, don't care about him, and probably would have accidentally trampled on him irl anyway