Would this be Genio or Trimax?

[Tryingmyverybest]

(Im broke asf)

Only changed the chin Projection, but im Not sure If genioplasty covers 10mm movements alone. I Had braces so my bite is fine / almost fine.

Yes im still fat.

 

[lurking truecel]

Mini necklift and genio, possibly teimax

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Mini necklift and genio, possibly teimax

When would it warrant a trimax btw? Also I hope to get some sort of neck lift from weightoss (13kg to go) and the genio itself

 

[Nobody88]

unless you can get insurance to cover the trimax, I'd recommend genio. 10mm is getting close to what most regular maxillofacial surgeons are willing to perform but its definitely possible. You may not have a perfect side profile after genio but it would likley be good enough. Here is mine from an 8.5 mm advancement (since then the swelling has gone down a lot and its looking much sharper/better) : https://looksmax.org/threads/sliding-genioplasty-results-8-5-mm-horizontal-2mm-vertical.2112228/

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

unless you can get insurance to cover the trimax, I'd recommend genio. 10mm is getting close to what most regular maxillofacial surgeons are willing to perform but its definitely possible. You may not have a perfect side profile after genio but it would likley be good enough. Here is mine from an 8.5 mm advancement (since then the swelling has gone down a lot and its looking much sharper/better) : https://looksmax.org/threads/sliding-genioplasty-results-8-5-mm-horizontal-2mm-vertical.2112228/

Hmm you got 8.5mm for 9 degrees FCA, right? I need around 9 degrees of flattening too, so maybe I overstimated my movements.

 

[Nobody88]

Hmm you got 8.5mm for 9 degrees FCA, right? I need around 9 degrees of flattening too, so maybe I overstimated my movement

Since swelling has gone down its gone down to a little under a 8 degree change in FCA so 10mm is not a bad estimate, its really difficult to perfectly predict soft tissue movement and people's skulls are different, so I would aim for a range that you want and discuss it with your surgeon. But IMO 10mm is a pretty good estimate

 

[Animepilled]

The genio won't move your lower lip and mentolabial fold like that. It's the mandible body. For that you need jaw surgery. It won't be covered. Forget it if ur broke.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Since swelling has gone down its gone down to a little under a 8 degree change in FCA so 10mm is not a bad estimate, its really difficult to perfectly predict soft tissue movement and people's skulls are different, so I would aim for a range that you want and discuss it with your surgeon. But IMO 10mm is a pretty good estimate

I have like an ~162-164 degree FCA now and my goal is 172-173 (ideal, masculine chin projection) its cucking me pretty hard at the moment, especially combined with my very high bf%

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

Mini necklift and genio, possibly teimax

Pleas check dm @lurking truecel

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

The genio won't move your lower lip and mentolabial fold like that. It's the mandible body. For that you need jaw surgery. It won't be covered. Forget it if ur broke.

Yes, its so fucking annoying. My mandible is just barely projected enough to be within the reference (80 degrees SNB, 4 degrees ANB). So close yet so far classic. Although a slight upward movement might support my lower lip better and fix my slighly too tall lower third

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

(Im broke asf)

Only changed the chin Projection, but im Not sure If genioplasty covers 10mm movements alone. I Had braces so my bite is fine / almost fine.

Yes im still fat.

how does you bite looks
Do u have ct scan

 

[Nobody88]

I have like an ~162-164 degree FCA now and my goal is 172-173 (ideal, masculine chin projection) its cucking me pretty hard at the moment, especially combined with my very high bf%

I had similar FCA before genio, Im at 169 rn and I'm pretty happy with my side. 10mm or maybe more is probably necessary for your goal, but def discuss trimax w your surgeon if your goal is that high. Everyone's philosophy with surgery is different so I don't want to try to influence you on it but for me my goal was to get into what I consider to be a normal range (168-172), sometimes trying to reach ideal with surgery can backfire so I tend to try to get rid of failos rather than trying to get it to be a halo

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Pleas check dm @lurk

how does you bite looks
Do u have ct scan

Not an up-to-date one, sadly. I asked for one though. A normal picture wouldnt help much, right?

 

[vermicel]

possibly trimax

The genio won't move your lower lip and mentolabial fold like that. It's the mandible body. For that you need jaw surgery.

I suggested the same thing to this guy 6 months ago in another thread of his ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-would-be-huge.1788723/ ) ; @zemult said I was a clueless moron, and @yussimania repped it. I feel vindicated now although, tbh, Zemult's point was fair & reasonable

Also OP is a bitch for unrepping my post(s) in that other thread and for shutting off a chat he initiated most likely because I didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. What's up with these guys posting the same threads about themselves, over and over again ? Do they expect radically different feedback every few months ? If you don't trust what people have to say here (which can be understandable), go consult maxfac surgeons and settle it once and for all instead of dwelling on the same concerns for years.

 

[Animepilled]

I suggested the same thing to this guy 6 months ago in another thread of his ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-would-be-huge.1788723/ ) ; @zemult said I was a clueless moron, and @yussimania repped it. I feel vindicated now although, tbh, Zemult's point was fair & reasonable

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Also OP is a bitch for unrepping my post(s) in that other thread and for shutting off a chat he initiated most likely because I didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. What's up with these guys posting the same threads about themselves, over and over again ? Do they expect radically different feedback every few months ? If you don't trust what people have to say here (which can be understandable), go consult maxfac surgeons and settle it once and for all instead of dwelling on the same concerns for years.

to be honest this one looks better. On this thread his lips look more disharmonious. The pics are shit too, can barely see whats going on there.
For the pic from that earlier post i would recommend genio only as well.
Need more good pics to say for sure.
But he said he's broke anyway.

 

[zemult]

I suggested the same thing to this guy 6 months ago in another thread of his ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-would-be-huge.1788723/ ) ; @zemult said I was a clueless moron, and @yussimania repped it. I feel vindicated now although, tbh, Zemult's point was fair & reasonable

View attachment 5327766

Also OP is a bitch for unrepping my post(s) in that other thread and for shutting off a chat he initiated most likely because I didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. What's up with these guys posting the same threads about themselves, over and over again ? Do they expect radically different feedback every few months ? If you don't trust what people have to say here (which can be understandable), go consult maxfac surgeons and settle it once and for all instead of dwelling on the same concerns for years.

I mean he moved the lower lip and mentolabial in the morphs on this thread. Obv that would require jaw surgery if he really wanted to spend $30K to have a side profile that specifically looks like the after here

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

I suggested the same thing to this guy 6 months ago in another thread of his ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-would-be-huge.1788723/ ) ; @zemult said I was a clueless moron, and @yussimania repped it. I feel vindicated now although, tbh, Zemult's point was fair & reasonable

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Also OP is a bitch for unrepping my post(s) in that other thread and for shutting off a chat he initiated most likely because I didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. What's up with these guys posting the same threads about themselves, over and over again ? Do they expect radically different feedback every few months ? If you don't trust what people have to say here (which can be understandable), go consult maxfac surgeons and settle it once and for all instead of dwelling on the same concerns for years.

Damn sry bhai I get it now. Sry for unrepping you then, but its hard to accept the harsh truth sometimes, yk? I dont have 30k to spend and insurance will NEVER cover that so im fucked, and I couldnt accept that.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

I suggested the same thing to this guy 6 months ago in another thread of his ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-would-be-huge.1788723/ ) ; @zemult said I was a clueless moron, and @yussimania repped it. I feel vindicated now although, tbh, Zemult's point was fair & reasonable

View attachment 5327842

Also OP is a bitch for unrepping my post(s) in that other thread and for shutting off a chat he initiated most likely because I didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. What's up with these guys posting the same threads about themselves, over and over again ? Do they expect radically different feedback every few months ? If you don't trust what people have to say here (which can be understandable), go consult maxfac surgeons and settle it once and for all instead of dwelling on the same concerns for years.

Repped you again. Your front morph was great too.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

@vermicel Trimax, Rinoplasty, Comissureplasty, otoplasty in turkey. I have no fucking clue how to make all that money (40-60k) though, fuuuck

 

[compost_]

Damn sry bhai I get it now. Sry for unrepping you then, but its hard to accept the harsh truth sometimes, yk? I dont have 30k to spend and insurance will NEVER cover that so im fucked, and I couldnt accept that.

I mean u don’t really need trimax tho it would only really impact ur side

so unless u wanna wageslave to get 30k to only improve ur side just get a genio instead imo

 

[compost_]

I suggested the same thing to this guy 6 months ago in another thread of his ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-would-be-huge.1788723/ ) ; @zemult said I was a clueless moron, and @yussimania repped it. I feel vindicated now although, tbh, Zemult's point was fair & reasonable

View attachment 5327842

Also OP is a bitch for unrepping my post(s) in that other thread and for shutting off a chat he initiated most likely because I didn't tell him what he wanted to hear. What's up with these guys posting the same threads about themselves, over and over again ? Do they expect radically different feedback every few months ? If you don't trust what people have to say here (which can be understandable), go consult maxfac surgeons and settle it once and for all instead of dwelling on the same concerns for years.

Lmao that’s crazy I’ve never even thought of that

Goin back to previous chats jus to unrep someone jfl

 

[vermicel]

For the pic from that earlier post i would recommend genio only as well.

I mean u don’t really need trimax tho it would only really impact ur side

just get a genio instead imo

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support and perhaps improving nasolabial folds.

I wont be able to get it coved though, right?

 

[Animepilled]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

neck area is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. not guaranteed with bimax

 

[Animepilled]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

Plus you are making his skin better, nose is perfectly straight which will most likely not happen with a bimax. If the stars align he would look like that. But an actual surgery and a morph are different.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

Damn I didnt know THIS was the actual FHP, always thought the eye should align with the edge of the ear... Yeah I guess my ortho has been lying to my face then.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

neck area is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. not guaranteed with bimax

Trimax pulls the soft tissue with it and also increases the support of the nose (tip especially). Also my hoyid is extra fucked by ma bodyfat ontop of that. Though it does look somewhat dog-maxxed

 

[vermicel]

neck area is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. not guaranteed with bimax

Not guaranted, but still frequently seen (many cases where bimax/trimax fixes the cervicomental angle).

Note that he is also quite fat in that before picture. Fat loss might contribute to an impactful improvement in the submental area.
And, ultimately, he could resort to what Lurking Truecel suggested earlier in this thread (neck lift or a similar procedure).

Plus you are making his skin better

Yes, because the original morph was illustrating both softmaxxing and hardmaxxing suggestions ; clearing and smoothening his skin was one of them. Nothing impossible to achieve.

nose is perfectly straight which will most likely not happen with a bimax

It can happen (for example, bimax made @nishka 's nose perfectly straight), but I couldn't explain what precisely distinguishes a bimax that generates such results from one that doesn't. The placing of the LF1 cut ? The degree of maxillary advancement ? Something else ? It would be interesting to know.

an actual surgery and a morph are different

Obviously.
But even if the stars don't align exactly, a similar result would still be aesthetically impactful.

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Not guaranted, but still frequently seen (many cases where bimax/trimax fixes the cervicomental angle).

Note that he is also quite fat in that before picture. Fat loss might contribute to an impactful improvement in the submental area.
And, ultimately, he could resort to what Lurking Truecel suggested earlier in this thread (neck lift or a similar procedure).



Yes, because the original morph was illustrating both softmaxxing and hardmaxxing suggestions ; clearing and smoothening his skin was one of them. Nothing impossible to achieve.



It can happen (for example, bimax made @nishka 's nose perfectly straight), but I couldn't explain what precisely distinguishes a bimax that generates such results from one that doesn't. The placing of the LF1 cut ? The degree of maxillary advancement ? Something else ? It would be interesting to know.


Obviously.
But even if the stars don't align exactly, a similar result would still be aesthetically impactful.

I have gotten a bit leaner. This is a more recent Pic (Actually I took it this Moment) idk I will Just consult a Surgeon atp. Your Morph Looks great but Im way to poor to realisticly get the surgerys id need in my Prime years. Its all Just so brudal man.

 

[compost_]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

Yea, that picture is much better

Now just up to OP to scrape that money tg

 

[compost_]

I have gotten a bit leaner. This is a more recent Pic (Actually I took it this Moment) idk I will Just consult a Surgeon atp. Your Morph Looks great but Im way to poor to realisticly get the surgerys id need in my Prime years. Its all Just so brudal man.

Yea I can def see it better in this one too

Tho he is still tilting his head up some

 

[zemult]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

That isn't FHP. That is also an unrealistic Bimax morph for reasons already stated.

He'll be -$30K with a result similar to this Ramieri Bimax result, realistically.

Even if he is lucky and the Bimax improves his side profile to the point where it looks like your morph, it will 100% not touch his front in any significant way. You've genuinely learned nothing from years of Bimax results if you think it will make any significant change worth the money.

Not to mention that he will have to go through the trials and tribulations of jaw surgery, Bimax is not going to guarantee he comes back with 0 complications or side effects. Timothy for example fell for the Bimax meme, and now in the early stages it looks like he has to deal with the drawbacks of it with added asymmetry and not being able to properly close his mouth. Is it really all going to be worth it for OP? For what, possibly getting a slightly better side? But no trust me OP, your side profile is going to look exactly like my totally realistic-looking morph.

 

[compost_]

I wont be able to get it coved though, right?

I mean just ask if u wanna get the surgery regardless Wnv u consult w a surgeon

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

That isn't FHP. That is also an unrealistic Bimax morph for reasons already stated.

He'll be -$30K with a result similar to this Ramieri Bimax result, realistically.

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Even if he is lucky and the Bimax improves his side profile to the point where it looks like your morph, it will 100% not touch his front in any significant way. You've genuinely learned nothing from years of Bimax results if you think it will make any significant change worth the money.

Not to mention that he will have to go through the trials and tribulations of jaw surgery, Bimax is not going to guarantee he comes back with 0 complications or side effects. Timothy for example fell for the Bimax meme, and now in the early stages it looks like he has to deal with the drawbacks of it with added asymmetry and not being able to properly close his mouth. Is it really all going to be worth it for OP? For what, possibly getting a slightly better side? But no trust me OP, your side profile is going to look exactly like my totally realistic-looking morph.

Jordan barrett in this angle:

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

I'm doubling down on the trimax. SUCK IT @zemult
When the picture is rotated to match FHP, you will realize how recessed he actually is, and how that makes him a legit candidate for a regular trimax (not even a very conservative one). WATCH :

View attachment 5328261

From incel to pretty handsome.
Nasion and pogonion are perfectly aligned in the after. Facial convexity is within ideal range.

While I'm usually team "side profile doesn't matter that much", I believe a trimax could have some positive impact on his front profile as well, mostly by fixing his lips' support.

Yea he’s way more recessed than I am

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Yea he’s way more recessed than I am

In the same angle?

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

In the same angle?

Look at my thread

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Look at my thread

cant. you limit your profile

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

cant. you limit your profile

https://looksmax.org/threads/bimax-or-genio.2208630/

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

https://looksmax.org/threads/bimax-or-genio.2208630/

Bro no offense you are a completely different case. You have SFS (and a suuper protruding maxilla, with a severe deep bite). And there is no way to compare us, when your ears and eyes arent both clearly visible.

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

SFS

Not at all lol

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

Not at all lol

Bro...what? you clearly are class 2 with an ideal maxilla but weak overly CCW rotated mandible and deep bite

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

Bro...what? you clearly are class 2 with an ideal maxilla but weak overly CCW rotated mandible and deep bite

I got long skull.
Having <120 gonial angle does not mean sfs.
My gonials are masculine and in the fron? Which I didn’t posted, my face appears tall and narrow. CW would likely make ti worse (in my opinion but I still need to hear from maxfac consult which should be our leader in decisions)

 

[Tryingmyverybest]

I got long skull.
Having <120 gonial angle does not mean sfs.
My gonials are masculine and in the fron? Which I didn’t posted, my face appears tall and narrow. CW would likely make ti worse (in my opinion but I still need to hear from maxfac consult which should be our leader in decisions)

Whatever. Just speak with your maxfac. I will do the same once my braces are off and I have the full report