You can't use GHK-Cu with BAC, use PBS.

[SlayerJonas]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

Regarding the safety concerns:
​

I genuinely do not know who started this theory but it needs to be stopped. IF YOU DO NOT RECONSTITUTE WITH BAC WATER YOU WILL GET SICK!!!​

As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

​

 

[Chad]

JFL at retards fucking up their body with mk677 but scared of PBS

 

[imontheloose]

Pat pat!

 

[Deleted member 138051]

Someone had to say this.

 

[eon]

high iq, read all

 

[Deleted member 155538]

youll still get ghk-cu just the shelf life is lower

 

[SlayerJonas]

TL;DR: PBS or LDAR.

Spoiler: Tags

@edodalic29 @Mainlander @Zagro @Angutoid @tit

 

[slaters]

Feel like it’d be more practical to preload 25 syringes than get 25 small vials with rubber stoppers and all

 

[SlayerJonas]

Feel like it’d be more practical to preload 25 syringes than get 25 small vials with rubber stoppers and all

That's the exact thing we are trying to evade with the vials, reconstituting the peptide for longer periods of time.

I have no problem using a multi-dose vial personally, the vial option is primarely for the safety concern copers.

 

[slaters]

That's the exact thing we are trying to evade with the vials, reconstituting the peptide for longer periods of time.

I have no problem using a multi-dose vial personally, the vial option is primarely for the safety concern copers.

Your right I’m tripping

 

[ybuyhgui]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

makes good sense but how long does pbs reconstituted ghkcu last because my gpt claims 3-7 days in the fride which is awful

 

[Deleted member 86877]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

Thats why i do orals
Much easier shit

 

[Whirr22222]

Would it be worth running with pbs every other day? i cant be bothered to divide into 20 vials for 20 days for example. Also how long will the benefits last if u stop taking it? Is there a level of saturation similar to accutane?

 

[powerliftercoco]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

fuck my life man

why tf do these companies not sell PBS as well then... smh

something else I gotta dig deep into

kill me

 

[thecaste]

Off topic, but can I reconstitute retatrutide with NaCl?

 

[SlayerJonas]

makes good sense but how long does pbs reconstituted ghkcu last because my gpt claims 3-7 days in the fride which is awful

It will last a few weeks just like with BAC water. The limiting factor would only be bacterial growth.

Would it be worth running with pbs every other day? i cant be bothered to divide into 20 vials for 20 days for example. Also how long will the benefits last if u stop taking it? Is there a level of saturation similar to accutane?

Just use a normal vial if you can't be bothered and stick to daily injections.

fuck my life man

why tf do these companies not sell PBS as well then... smh

something else I gotta dig deep into

kill me

IF you can't find PBS try to use sterile injection water, not BAC water. Try to go for a solvent close to PH 7.4.

Off topic, but can I reconstitute retatrutide with NaCl?

You should use BAC water for most other peptides, GHK-Cu is just the exception where that rule doesn't apply.

 

[Whirr22222]

It will last a few weeks just like with BAC water. The limiting factor would only be bacterial growth.

Just use a normal vial if you can't be bothered and stick to daily injections.

IF you can't find PBS try to use sterile injection water, not BAC water. Try to go for a solvent close to PH 7.4.

You should use BAC water for most other peptides, GHK-Cu is just the exception where that rule doesn't apply.

Do i have to run long term tho or can i just run for a few months like accutane

 

[Azie555]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

so PBS will give psl tier glass skin better then BAC also there wont be side affects of using PBS right im 16

 

[AryanSchizo]

can someone enlighten me on what PBS is

 

[Mainlander]

I have 100mg vials and I inject 5mg Daily

So 1 vials with pbs would last 20 days

But are 20 days Not to much Even in the fridge with pbs

 

[curryascenderr]

can’t find a source for pbs in the uk it all requires a business account

 

[Azie555]

I have 100mg vials and I inject 5mg Daily

So 1 vials with pbs would last 20 days

But are 20 days Not to much Even in the fridge with pbs

wait so 10 mg of ghk-cu only lasts 2 days?

 

[Azie555]

@Mainlander where did you get your stack from stop gatekeeping

 

[Mainlander]

@Mainlander where did you get your stack from stop gatekeeping

From stbah

 

[Azie555]

From stbah

tf is that

 

[in8aesthetics]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

@edodalic29

 

[Mainlander]

tf is that

My source

 

[9499449930203049]

my ghk cu is already in vials as well, do you have a method for using pbs in cases like this? could it be reconstituted with pbs and use for 20 days or would we need to find an alternative method.

i’m not sure how to transfer the powder out of the vials.

if there’s minimal safety risks then i’m fine with not switching the vials if that’s an option

 

[Azie555]

My source

send link

 

[Mainlander]

send link

Link

 

[Azie555]

Link

yo bro how old r u btw some dude said ghk-cu lowers igf 1 to me im 16 if it soes i probably shouldnt get ghk-cu right?

 

[thecaste]

I have 100mg vials and I inject 5mg Daily

So 1 vials with pbs would last 20 days

But are 20 days Not to much Even in the fridge with pbs

Last summer, I used my MT2 with sterile water for 2 months and had no problems. Always wash your hands and use alcohol wipes on the vial, on the syringe and on your skin before injecting.

 

[thecaste]

can’t find a source for pbs in the uk it all requires a business account

Just use normal NaCl 0.9 ffs, it won't make a difference

 

[Mainlander]

Last summer, I used my MT2 with sterile water for 2 months and had no problems. Always wash your hands and use alcohol wipes on the vial, on the syringe and on your skin before injecting.

Can you Read Nga

We Are Talking about pbs

 

[thecaste]

Can you Read Nga

We Are Talking about pbs

are you a fucking imbecile, sterile water is not bac water, it has the same risk to get contaminated as PBS
kys

 

[mogmypsl999]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

did some research and found out that Cu^2 ,,expires" after about 2 weeks after mixing with bac. never used ghk-cu but ordered it so very interested in solution.

GHK binds Cu²⁺ extremely tightly (stability constant log K ≈ 16.4). Even 0.9% benzyl alcohol in bacteriostatic water has no chelating effect that would displace the copper. In studies, GHK-Cu remained stable in plain water at pH 4.5–7.4 even at 60 °C for two weeks.

Thats basically a conclusion of what i found. correct me if this isn't true or if you've made better expierience with pbs than bac

 

[Mainlander]

are you a fucking imbecile, sterile water is not bac water, it has the same risk to get contaminated as PBS
kys

I don’t care Nga omg

If its Not pbs I don’t care

Aint risking Shit with some anecdotes

 

[thecaste]

I don’t care Nga omg

If its Not pbs I don’t care

Aint risking Shit with some anecdotes

you're literally sub 60 iq, it ain't even funny

 

[curryascenderr]

did some research and found out that Cu^2 ,,expires" after about 2 weeks after mixing with bac. never used ghk-cu but ordered it so very interested in solution.

GHK binds Cu²⁺ extremely tightly (stability constant log K ≈ 16.4). Even 0.9% benzyl alcohol in bacteriostatic water has no chelating effect that would displace the copper. In studies, GHK-Cu remained stable in plain water at pH 4.5–7.4 even at 60 °C for two weeks.

Thats basically a conclusion of what i found. correct me if this isn't true or if you've made better expierience with pbs than bac

PBS main benefit is it get rid of pip

 

[[G]]

can someone enlighten me on what PBS is

Phosphate Buffered Saline

 

[SlayerJonas]

Do i have to run long term tho or can i just run for a few months like accutane

Close to all things in existence aren't permanent, isotretinoin is the exception not the standard for that rule.

You'd reap the benefits of GHK-Cu, that's it.

so PBS will give psl tier glass skin better then BAC

I specified 4 whole times in the thread that the supposed benefits to GHK-Cu are with GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Again: With BAC you only get GHK, on the other hand with PBS you reap all of the benefits.

if there’s minimal safety risks then i’m fine with not switching the vials if that’s an option

Simply reconstitute the GHK-Cu with PBS like you'd do with BAC, all of the side effects are inflated.

some dude said ghk-cu lowers igf 1

There is no direct causal relationship between GHK-Cu and systemic IGF-1 levels. The studies mentioning the link between both are heavily context-dependent.

Based on the previous research done by our group, we found that GHK can be used to inhibit the insulin-like-1 (IGF-1) and TGF-β1/Smads signaling pathways, and thus inhibit bleomycin-induced pulmonary fibrosis in mice [22].

The glycyl-l-histidyl-l-lysine-Cu2+ tripeptide complex attenuates lung inflammation and fibrosis in silicosis by targeting peroxiredoxin 6

Silicosis is the most common type of pneumoconiosis, having a high incidence in workers chronically exposed to crystalline silica (CS). No specific me…

www.sciencedirect.com

In short it is nothing you have to worry about.

Just use normal NaCl 0.9 ffs, it won't make a difference

Normal NaCl is just as acidic as BAC water. PBS is basically just optimized NaCl.

GHK-Cu remained stable in plain water at pH 4.5–7.4 even at 60 °C for two weeks.

There is a drastic difference between pH 4.5 and 7.4. Keep in mind that the closer you are to pH 7.2-7.4 the better.

PBS main benefit is it get rid of pip

The main benefit of PBS is to reap the true benefits of GHK-Cu, the PIP is just a symptom of the Cu2+ raping the injection site.

@aids you missed this thread I think.

 

[9499449930203049]

Close to all things in existence aren't permanent, isotretinoin is the exception not the standard for that rule.

You'd reap the benefits of GHK-Cu, that's it.

I specified 4 whole times in the thread that the supposed benefits to GHK-Cu are with GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Again: With BAC you only get GHK, on the other hand with PBS you reap all of the benefits.

Simply reconstitute the GHK-Cu with PBS like you'd do with BAC, all of the side effects are inflated.

There is no direct causal relationship between GHK-Cu and systemic IGF-1 levels. The studies mentioning the link between both are heavily context-dependent.

The glycyl-l-histidyl-l-lysine-Cu2+ tripeptide complex attenuates lung inflammation and fibrosis in silicosis by targeting peroxiredoxin 6

Silicosis is the most common type of pneumoconiosis, having a high incidence in workers chronically exposed to crystalline silica (CS). No specific me…

www.sciencedirect.com

In short it is nothing you have to worry about.

Normal NaCl is just as acidic as BAC water. PBS is basically just optimized NaCl.

There is a drastic difference between pH 4.5 and 7.4. Keep in mind that the closer you are to pH 7.2-7.4 the better.

The main benefit of PBS is to reap the true benefits of GHK-Cu, the PIP is just a symptom of the Cu2+ raping the injection site.

@aids you missed this thread I think.

what are the full benefits of ghk cu that ghk does not offer

 

[aids]

@aids you missed this thread I think.

Yeah I wasn't aware of how the nuance around PBS versus BAC for GHK-CU.
I agree that PBS should be used now.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

There is a drastic difference between pH 4.5 and 7.4. Keep in mind that the closer you are to pH 7.2-7.4 the better.

"No detectable degradation at pH 5.5 and 7.4; stable at pH 4.5 as part of the broader range (pH 4.5–7.4)"

And this was @ 60° aswell

Its over for your theorem tbh

 

[Deleted member 140730]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

What's your opinion on localized vs systemic injections? Which would you recommend? I've had a lot of mixed answers

 

[JizzFarmer]

what are the full benefits of ghk cu that ghk does not offer

They offer the same benefits but the cu amplifies the effect, particularly for skin/hair/nails which is what most people are using it for in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 155538]

wont there be bacterial growth in the reconstituted peptide since pbs doesnt have benzyl alcohol?

 

[Pento]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

Are you f**king kidding me I used bac water when I did my cycle for a month

Atleast now I know to use pbs. Saving this and bumping

 

[9499449930203049]

how about a solution comprised somewhere in the range of 75% pbs and 25% bac? the bac would inhibit bacterial growth or atleast slow the process down considerably and we would still maintain most of the benefits from using ghk cu

 

[ascensionneeeded]

Reconstituting GHK-Cu with BAC water will only give you the benefits of "GHK", which doesn't come close to GHK-Cu.

There was a thread about this topic already, yet increasingly more people choose to stay ignorant for the sake of simplicity bringing up logical fallacies like "no one uses PBS so it's worse" and safety concerns.

First of all, there isn't a single study where GHK-Cu was reconstituted with BAC water. Most studies only mention topical vehicles and PBS.

Even normies are questioning the benefits of GHK, which aligns with the fact that GHK won't be as effective as GHK-Cu.

View attachment 3887107

Regarding the safety concerns:



As long as you handle everything appropriately you won't ever get sick.

Simply use single-dose vials along with PBS, you only have to refill the GHK-Cu powder into each vial.

View attachment 3887081

You can buy small vials anywhere and they aren't expensive at all.

Just to mention it again, all the benefits of GHK-Cu apply to GHK-Cu, not GHK.

Spoiler: Cu²⁺ ions

@chadbeingmade @Clavicular @imontheloose

or just reconstitute the powder with distilled water, transfer to droppers and keep in the fridge. works well topically and you can get around the 7-14 day half life by freezing some vials in the freezer. there’s not gonna be tons of bacteria just because you aren’t using BAC water, no?