You do NOT care about ascension. You just want to COMPLAIN (Alexander Technique Redux)

[///FORTY6IX]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

 

[DrMd]

dnr, claiming the first comment and reading later

 

[Duckmaxxer]

Great post !

 

[loty]

good read lad

 

[browridge]

w post

 

[Luh?nn?]

How do you engage your SCM muscles? And how am I supposed those stretch parts of my body until they feel uncomfortable?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

How do you engage your SCM muscles? And how am I supposed those stretch parts of my body until they feel uncomfortable?

You should reference the mirror and trial and error different movements until you look like me and / or the reference pictures. Try to move the neck upwards and forwards in space.

Some visual cues:

Your Adam’s apple shouldn’t be visible in perfect posture.

Your clavicles should look relatively flat and aesthetic from the front

You shouldn’t have any skin folding onto itself, if that’s the case you either haven’t extended your head high and forward enough in space or you are obese.

Try doing some neck curls off your bed or a ledge, this can help you feel that muscle engage.

When you do a strong inhale you should see the muscles tense up (at least they do for me and some people I’ve seen on video)



See how AndrewsAcc SCM muscles light up when he inhaled strong, that’s the muscle you need to keep taut at all times.

In terms of stetching, I use my hand to resist my head movement and crank my head to all sides and directions, trying to raise it up as high as possible while using my hand to keep it down. You’ll hear lots of cracking (you’ll also hear cracking with stretching out your jaw after a bit of doing this, I’m not sure precisely what this is but I’m assuming it’s either fascia loosening or more similar to cracking your knuckles)

Let me know if you still can’t figure it out and I’ll try to help more.

Edit: also for stretching out your back just flare your shoulders out as far as you can and breathe your back as full as possible. After exhaling try to keep your back in that position without letting it fall, and then inhale into it AGAIN. Do this until the stretch is literally aching and hurting like you are trying to stretch your body past the point your bones allow. Eventually the bones will adapt into the ideal new position and you repeat again and again.

 

[Luh?nn?]

Okay, so basically you straighten your back and then slightly round your shoulders. Engage your core and glutes like you’re slightly holding in a poop. Breathe in, but focus on expanding your ribcage toward your back. Okay, got it.


The hardest thing is trying to tense the SCM muscles. The only way I can do it seems to be by pulling my face down into an ugly position.


Would adding one or two of these posture-changing behaviors affect me over time so I can slowly add all of them later?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Okay, so basically you straighten your back and then slightly round your shoulders. Engage your core and glutes like you’re slightly holding in a poop. Breathe in, but focus on expanding your ribcage toward your back. Okay, got it.


The hardest thing is trying to tense the SCM muscles. The only way I can do it seems to be by pulling my face down into an ugly position.


Would adding one or two of these posture-changing behaviors affect me over time so I can slowly add all of them later?

This is good, and yeah you can have your face pulled down some from your maximum height but maybe not that much.

Implement what you can now and dedicate some time daily to observe yourself and adjust to a more optimal positon, it took me like 5 days from my discovery of this knowledge to actually enable the SCM muscle fully, and I was trying every day all day and for 30 minutes in a mirror.

As long as you have the knowledge and you do what you can daily I promise you will progress. This is a gradual thing and not all at once so don’t trip.

Slowly, then all at once is the saying I think.

 

[johan_af]

Will read asap tomorrow, bump

 

[Duckmaxxer]

You should make more threads on this subject tbh. I watched some of the Alexander methods vids but that guy never tells you what you need to do outright

 

[///FORTY6IX]

You should make more threads on this subject tbh. I watched some of the Alexander methods vids but that guy never tells you what you need to do outright

If I can compile additional information that would be beneficial I for sure will, I want things to be applicable and not water, and definitely not esoteric sounding like that YouTuber that posts on this.

I have a strong ideological deviation from that YouTuber. I believe he’s placed all his stake into practicing this posture without attempting to ensure results, and he unnecessarily complicates things almost as if to make himself feel smarter for discovering AT.

I also believe from his physique, and overall posture himself that he has underutilized the full implications of this method.

Also unrelated side note, I recommend hard chewing on the first premolars, as these teeth have had the most movement / inflammation since starting all this. Of course this is dependent on your current starting point in terms of recession, but if anyone has any questions on particulars feel free to let me know.

 

[Duckmaxxer]

If I can compile additional information that would be beneficial I for sure will, I want things to be applicable and not water, and definitely not esoteric sounding like that YouTuber that posts on this.

I have a strong ideological deviation from that YouTuber. I believe he’s placed all his stake into practicing this posture without attempting to ensure results, and he unnecessarily complicates things almost as if to make himself feel smarter for discovering AT.

I also believe from his physique, and overall posture himself that he has underutilized the full implications of this method.

Also unrelated side note, I recommend hard chewing on the first premolars, as these teeth have had the most movement / inflammation since starting all this. Of course this is dependent on your current starting point in terms of recession, but if anyone has any questions on particulars feel free to let me know.

Yeah that guy talks a lot but doesn't say much. You do a great job at explaining it in an applicable way so I wish you the best regards.
I ordered some chewing mouthguards a couple of years ago but didnt use them too much because I used to have TMJ caused by an overbite which I fixed in the meanwhile. I might pick up chewing again so thanks for the advice

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Bump

 

[jeoyw9192]

Bump

Solid thread repped; I wanted to ask you if there a correlation between gonial angle and having a taller or shorter lower third? Like us there a potential mechanism of getting a taller lower third?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Solid thread repped; I wanted to ask you if there a correlation between gonial angle and having a taller or shorter lower third? Like us there a potential mechanism of getting a taller lower third?

short lower third is usually just indicative of an overbite, or a morphological issue with the chin. I think that higher gonial *probably* correlates with reduced shin height, but people with SFS exist too. Its very case by case. Anyhow if you have no craniofacial dystrophy both your chin height and gonial angle should be near ideal.

 

[solodolo]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

I have had this mouth guard sitting by but haven’t committed to using it. It won’t fuck up the bite or inadvertently cause recession?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

I have had this mouth guard sitting by but haven’t committed to using it. It won’t fuck up the bite or inadvertently cause recession?

I would use it assuming you have a class II it will change your bite but it won’t fuck it up, and it’ll definitely not cause recession.

 

[solodolo]

I would use it assuming you have a class II it will change your bite but it won’t fuck it up, and it’ll definitely not cause recession.

I have a class I

 

[///FORTY6IX]

I have a class I

I mean if ur bites perfect then idk why you would need to fix anything. Are you simply downgrown?

 

[r1ght]

mirin

Do you have progress pics with the mouthguard

 

[///FORTY6IX]

mirin

Do you have progress pics with the mouthguard

No I really haven’t tracked my bite to be honest, the mouth guard has been going for a couple weeks. I can tell you when you take it out in the morning you will literally feel that your bite is different though, and you’ll feel it pull on the teeth.

All the results for mouthguard and myobrace online have very similar occlusions, usually with very minor diastemas between each incisor. I expect at the current pace my teeth will retain the new position in a little over a month. I didn’t take any before photos though.

A dude on here shared his progress after 3 months of it, I would say that my bite is similar to the after photo upon waking except my molars aren’t quite touching:

The main thing ur looking for with this is reduced molar tipping and reduction in deep bite, which gives greater ramus and chin height. Also this prevents your occlusion from being locked when you sleep leading to relapse in any CCW progress.

 

[Movi]

Mirin, good read.
Can you expand a bit more on 'breathing into your back'? When I try to conciously breath into my back as said in your post, I'm basically stomach breathing. Is there a mechanism I'm missing, or am I simply doing it wrong? And how do you know if you're doing it right

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Mirin, good read.
Can you expand a bit more on 'breathing into your back'? When I try to conciously breath into my back as said in your post, I'm basically stomach breathing. Is there a mechanism I'm missing, or am I simply doing it wrong? And how do you know if you're doing it right

Keep your abs and glutes tight and your knees slightly bent with tension in your hamstrings. This allows you to stand with no pelvic tilt. From the side you should literally see your back expand backwards in space a bit when inhaling and feel a stretch both in the lower and upper back.

Don’t focus on having it down perfect but try to feel it throughout the day and if you spend multiple days on end trying, it’ll eventually become easier (much down the road it’ll be natural).

 

[Movi]

Keep your abs and glutes tight and your knees slightly bent with tension in your hamstrings. This allows you to stand with no pelvic tilt. From the side you should literally see your back expand backwards in space a bit when inhaling and feel a stretch both in the lower and upper back.

Don’t focus on having it down perfect but try to feel it throughout the day and if you spend multiple days on end trying, it’ll eventually become easier (much down the road it’ll be natural).

I'll go through this and lyk, appreciate the help g