You do NOT care about ascension. You just want to COMPLAIN (Alexander Technique Redux)

[///FORTY6IX]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

 

[DrMd]

dnr, claiming the first comment and reading later

 

[Deleted member 365237]

Great post !

 

[loty]

good read lad

 

[browridge]

w post

 

[Luh?nn?]

How do you engage your SCM muscles? And how am I supposed those stretch parts of my body until they feel uncomfortable?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

How do you engage your SCM muscles? And how am I supposed those stretch parts of my body until they feel uncomfortable?

You should reference the mirror and trial and error different movements until you look like me and / or the reference pictures. Try to move the neck upwards and forwards in space.

Some visual cues:

Your Adam’s apple shouldn’t be visible in perfect posture.

Your clavicles should look relatively flat and aesthetic from the front

You shouldn’t have any skin folding onto itself, if that’s the case you either haven’t extended your head high and forward enough in space or you are obese.

Try doing some neck curls off your bed or a ledge, this can help you feel that muscle engage.

When you do a strong inhale you should see the muscles tense up (at least they do for me and some people I’ve seen on video)



See how AndrewsAcc SCM muscles light up when he inhaled strong, that’s the muscle you need to keep taut at all times.

In terms of stetching, I use my hand to resist my head movement and crank my head to all sides and directions, trying to raise it up as high as possible while using my hand to keep it down. You’ll hear lots of cracking (you’ll also hear cracking with stretching out your jaw after a bit of doing this, I’m not sure precisely what this is but I’m assuming it’s either fascia loosening or more similar to cracking your knuckles)

Let me know if you still can’t figure it out and I’ll try to help more.

Edit: also for stretching out your back just flare your shoulders out as far as you can and breathe your back as full as possible. After exhaling try to keep your back in that position without letting it fall, and then inhale into it AGAIN. Do this until the stretch is literally aching and hurting like you are trying to stretch your body past the point your bones allow. Eventually the bones will adapt into the ideal new position and you repeat again and again.

 

[Luh?nn?]

Okay, so basically you straighten your back and then slightly round your shoulders. Engage your core and glutes like you’re slightly holding in a poop. Breathe in, but focus on expanding your ribcage toward your back. Okay, got it.


The hardest thing is trying to tense the SCM muscles. The only way I can do it seems to be by pulling my face down into an ugly position.


Would adding one or two of these posture-changing behaviors affect me over time so I can slowly add all of them later?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Okay, so basically you straighten your back and then slightly round your shoulders. Engage your core and glutes like you’re slightly holding in a poop. Breathe in, but focus on expanding your ribcage toward your back. Okay, got it.


The hardest thing is trying to tense the SCM muscles. The only way I can do it seems to be by pulling my face down into an ugly position.


Would adding one or two of these posture-changing behaviors affect me over time so I can slowly add all of them later?

This is good, and yeah you can have your face pulled down some from your maximum height but maybe not that much.

Implement what you can now and dedicate some time daily to observe yourself and adjust to a more optimal positon, it took me like 5 days from my discovery of this knowledge to actually enable the SCM muscle fully, and I was trying every day all day and for 30 minutes in a mirror.

As long as you have the knowledge and you do what you can daily I promise you will progress. This is a gradual thing and not all at once so don’t trip.

Slowly, then all at once is the saying I think.

 

[johan_af]

Will read asap tomorrow, bump

 

[Deleted member 365237]

You should make more threads on this subject tbh. I watched some of the Alexander methods vids but that guy never tells you what you need to do outright

 

[///FORTY6IX]

You should make more threads on this subject tbh. I watched some of the Alexander methods vids but that guy never tells you what you need to do outright

If I can compile additional information that would be beneficial I for sure will, I want things to be applicable and not water, and definitely not esoteric sounding like that YouTuber that posts on this.

I have a strong ideological deviation from that YouTuber. I believe he’s placed all his stake into practicing this posture without attempting to ensure results, and he unnecessarily complicates things almost as if to make himself feel smarter for discovering AT.

I also believe from his physique, and overall posture himself that he has underutilized the full implications of this method.

Also unrelated side note, I recommend hard chewing on the first premolars, as these teeth have had the most movement / inflammation since starting all this. Of course this is dependent on your current starting point in terms of recession, but if anyone has any questions on particulars feel free to let me know.

 

[Deleted member 365237]

If I can compile additional information that would be beneficial I for sure will, I want things to be applicable and not water, and definitely not esoteric sounding like that YouTuber that posts on this.

I have a strong ideological deviation from that YouTuber. I believe he’s placed all his stake into practicing this posture without attempting to ensure results, and he unnecessarily complicates things almost as if to make himself feel smarter for discovering AT.

I also believe from his physique, and overall posture himself that he has underutilized the full implications of this method.

Also unrelated side note, I recommend hard chewing on the first premolars, as these teeth have had the most movement / inflammation since starting all this. Of course this is dependent on your current starting point in terms of recession, but if anyone has any questions on particulars feel free to let me know.

Yeah that guy talks a lot but doesn't say much. You do a great job at explaining it in an applicable way so I wish you the best regards.
I ordered some chewing mouthguards a couple of years ago but didnt use them too much because I used to have TMJ caused by an overbite which I fixed in the meanwhile. I might pick up chewing again so thanks for the advice

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Bump

 

[jeoyw9192]

Bump

Solid thread repped; I wanted to ask you if there a correlation between gonial angle and having a taller or shorter lower third? Like us there a potential mechanism of getting a taller lower third?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Solid thread repped; I wanted to ask you if there a correlation between gonial angle and having a taller or shorter lower third? Like us there a potential mechanism of getting a taller lower third?

short lower third is usually just indicative of an overbite, or a morphological issue with the chin. I think that higher gonial *probably* correlates with reduced shin height, but people with SFS exist too. Its very case by case. Anyhow if you have no craniofacial dystrophy both your chin height and gonial angle should be near ideal.

 

[solodolo]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

I have had this mouth guard sitting by but haven’t committed to using it. It won’t fuck up the bite or inadvertently cause recession?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

I have had this mouth guard sitting by but haven’t committed to using it. It won’t fuck up the bite or inadvertently cause recession?

I would use it assuming you have a class II it will change your bite but it won’t fuck it up, and it’ll definitely not cause recession.

 

[solodolo]

I would use it assuming you have a class II it will change your bite but it won’t fuck it up, and it’ll definitely not cause recession.

I have a class I

 

[///FORTY6IX]

I have a class I

I mean if ur bites perfect then idk why you would need to fix anything. Are you simply downgrown?

 

[r1ght]

mirin

Do you have progress pics with the mouthguard

 

[///FORTY6IX]

mirin

Do you have progress pics with the mouthguard

No I really haven’t tracked my bite to be honest, the mouth guard has been going for a couple weeks. I can tell you when you take it out in the morning you will literally feel that your bite is different though, and you’ll feel it pull on the teeth.

All the results for mouthguard and myobrace online have very similar occlusions, usually with very minor diastemas between each incisor. I expect at the current pace my teeth will retain the new position in a little over a month. I didn’t take any before photos though.

A dude on here shared his progress after 3 months of it, I would say that my bite is similar to the after photo upon waking except my molars aren’t quite touching:

The main thing ur looking for with this is reduced molar tipping and reduction in deep bite, which gives greater ramus and chin height. Also this prevents your occlusion from being locked when you sleep leading to relapse in any CCW progress.

 

[Movi]

Mirin, good read.
Can you expand a bit more on 'breathing into your back'? When I try to conciously breath into my back as said in your post, I'm basically stomach breathing. Is there a mechanism I'm missing, or am I simply doing it wrong? And how do you know if you're doing it right

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Mirin, good read.
Can you expand a bit more on 'breathing into your back'? When I try to conciously breath into my back as said in your post, I'm basically stomach breathing. Is there a mechanism I'm missing, or am I simply doing it wrong? And how do you know if you're doing it right

Keep your abs and glutes tight and your knees slightly bent with tension in your hamstrings. This allows you to stand with no pelvic tilt. From the side you should literally see your back expand backwards in space a bit when inhaling and feel a stretch both in the lower and upper back.

Don’t focus on having it down perfect but try to feel it throughout the day and if you spend multiple days on end trying, it’ll eventually become easier (much down the road it’ll be natural).

 

[Movi]

Keep your abs and glutes tight and your knees slightly bent with tension in your hamstrings. This allows you to stand with no pelvic tilt. From the side you should literally see your back expand backwards in space a bit when inhaling and feel a stretch both in the lower and upper back.

Don’t focus on having it down perfect but try to feel it throughout the day and if you spend multiple days on end trying, it’ll eventually become easier (much down the road it’ll be natural).

I'll go through this and lyk, appreciate the help g

 

[JimmyPeteAppealyBoi]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

so judging from ur analysis: posterior pelvic tilt with engaged neck muscles= barrets posture ?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

so judging from ur analysis: posterior pelvic tilt with engaged neck muscles= barrets posture ?

Yeah I mean even Barrett’s pelvis isn’t perfect in the pic, but look how is torso and neck/head is elevated upwards. Like keeping the “suspension” or the stretch throughout your body will keep tension on your skull, pulling a torque in the CCW direction.

 

[dota2]

bump

 

[///FORTY6IX]

I'll go through this and lyk, appreciate the help g

Ofc bro, this shit has a rediculous learning curve but if you dedicate some time I garuntee you will improve and eventually things will fall into place.

What’s been helping me most recently is stretching down to touch my toes while breathing into my back, with my clavicles extended outward (keep knees slightly bent)

 

[Movi]

Ofc bro, this shit has a rediculous learning curve but if you dedicate some time I garuntee you will improve and eventually things will fall into place.

What’s been helping me most recently is stretching down to touch my toes while breathing into my back, with my clavicles extended outward (keep knees slightly bent)

Update:
Figured out how to flex my SCMs to a decent level [They flex when I breath in really hard.] Via trying to follow your instructions through mainly trial and error, I also discovered I have a pretty bad APT (gotta say I'm really grateful twrds you because otherwise I don't think I would've considered that possibility,) so now fixing that is amidst my main to-do list. And I've spent about 2 hours daily for the past, and I'm at a point where I can feel the stretch in my lower back but NOT the upper. Why could that be? Also, if you have reference pictures/clips of breathing and posture I could use to nail ts, it would be appreciated.
Thanks g


ps: I have a pretty bad overbite, is there a link between this and that?

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Update:
Figured out how to flex my SCMs to a decent level [They flex when I breath in really hard.] Via trying to follow your instructions through mainly trial and error, I also discovered I have a pretty bad APT (gotta say I'm really grateful twrds you because otherwise I don't think I would've considered that possibility,) so now fixing that is amidst my main to-do list. And I've spent about 2 hours daily for the past, and I'm at a point where I can feel the stretch in my lower back but NOT the upper. Why could that be? Also, if you have reference pictures/clips of breathing and posture I could use to nail ts, it would be appreciated.
Thanks g


ps: I have a pretty bad overbite, is there a link between this and that?

Overbite is directly linked to Pelvic tilt to the point where if you fix pelvic tilt the jaw will jut forward on its own.

I had the problem you were having at the start with the upper back not stretching, and the issue was that I needed to raise it up and back in space.

This is where I’m at as per a week ago for resting standing posture. I think my head should go more forwards in space but overall pretty happy with the improvements. Basically what I’ll say is that you need to get your chest flatter from the front (your sternum should be perpendicular to the ground) and your back further up. If imma be honest my posture is now the best when I first wake up, and every day there has been a little improvement especially after implementing stretching.

Also note that the occipital area has a curve but is in general more flat now, and the ear is pretty far back on the head. Compare this to anyone with downgrowth and you’ll probably start seeing some patterns.



Do this YouTube video whenever you can (spam this)

And of course do neck curls, toe touch stretch while breathing into back.

For you specifically, try hugging a pillow and breathing into the back.

 

[Movi]

To move the upper back, up and back in space, the only 'solution' I can think of is to roll my shoulders up, back and then down. It achieves what I said, but the sternum def isn't perpendicular at that point.

And congrats on your progress, love to see it.

I'll try to do the yt vid at least 2 times a day, and increase it to 3 if I can.

Wh

Overbite is directly linked to Pelvic tilt to the point where if you fix pelvic tilt the jaw will jut forward on its own.

I had the problem you were having at the start with the upper back not stretching, and the issue was that I needed to raise it up and back in space.
View attachment 4865612

This is where I’m at as per a week ago for resting standing posture. I think my head should go more forwards in space but overall pretty happy with the improvements. Basically what I’ll say is that you need to get your chest flatter from the front (your sternum should be perpendicular to the ground) and your back further up. If imma be honest my posture is now the best when I first wake up, and every day there has been a little improvement especially after implementing stretching.

Also note that the occipital area has a curve but is in general more flat now, and the ear is pretty far back on the head. Compare this to anyone with downgrowth and you’ll probably start seeing some patterns.



Do this YouTube video whenever you can (spam this)

And of course do neck curls, toe touch stretch while breathing into back.

For you specifically, try hugging a pillow and breathing into the back.

at I've sort of built up as of now is;
In the morning: General fascia release massages --> Atlas relaxation --> Toe touch stretch thing (3x60secs) --> A few minutes of trying to nail back breathing --> hugging a pillow and backbreathing (3x60s)

In the afternoon, --> Same procedure without the general fascia release

And neck curls thrice a week with bodyweight, and progressively overload after I get better

Also just wanted to say even though I haven't fully fixed anything yet, and this isnt placebo, I do feel much more 'alive' iykwim, after putting some attention into posture, and lastly, in the pic, are you tensing your SCMs or is that your natural posture?

 

[notlarpingscott]

I am moving this to a real post out of a reponse thread because it is useful info that I think could help a lot of people.

To anyone on here that actually want knowledge that you can apply daily over months for a REAL RETURN ON YOUR EFFORT:

UNLESS YOU ARE BARRETT or CHAD: Your SCM (neck) muscles are not taut idly (along with your hyoid but thats just mewing)

Ive highlighted the area that should be engaged in black. (also, your shoulders are slumped which is a result of your Pelvic tilt and compressed spline)

Photo from another thread i responded to

View attachment 4773610


compare this to the woman in my PFP, you can see that her SCM muscles are nice and tight. her neck is also at a high level of extension, which is keeping her head elevated.

View attachment 4773608View attachment 4773609


Youll also notice her mogger forward growth (faurk).

This is not coincidence.

Youll also notice that her shoulders and traps are rotated forwards, but are not slumped over and are in fact SUPPORTING the neck.

View attachment 4773607

The different I am discussing can be seen here (although id argue the woman in the result photo should be engaging her neck even more, and moving her shoulders even MORE outwards and forwards.)

The key to move towards this change in bodily positioning that will allow your tendons and fascia to stop pulling your face into recession is to BREATHE INTO YOUR BACK and EXPAND YOUR RIBCAGE. You need it to expand backwards in space. Do not breathe into your chest or your stomach (your abdominals should be taut / lightly flexed at all times along with your glutes btw, if you breathe into your back you will be capable of this)


when you are in the correct positon (reference the mirror) ensure that from the side your body is oriented like this (albeit with a little less backwards arching):

View attachment 4773606


Notice how barrett is very elongated? all of his tissue, bone and muscles is as streched as it can get at all times, and this is why he mogs.

In order to continuously improve your idle posture, you must not only focus on keeping your default state in this posture, but also strech out the clavicles/shoulders, neck, head, and lower back independently to the point of the stretch hurting.

this is the real application of the alexander technique in terms of ascending.

In addition, I would wear a flat plane mouthguard at least an hour a day and for the entire night (Reference the one pictured)

View attachment 4773605



after about 2 months this will fix any molar tipping, incisor flare/underflare, and keep you in a class I bite. before its done moving the teeth (it will hurt!) it will aid your default jaw posture preventing the teeth from blocking movement of fascia and bone.

SHORT TERM BENEFIT OF ALL THIS:

Your head posture now looks mogger as fuck, at all times

View attachment 4773604



Yes i can breathe. and after around a year doing ts, you wont have recession to fix (start point dependent ofc, im not even close to done fixing my recessions, but we still ball)

also, order falim gum or a hard gum of your choice and chew an hour a day.

TLDR (AI): Fix your posture to improve your facial appearance by:

​

• Engaging your SCM (neck) muscles and keeping them taut​
• Breathing into your back and expanding your ribcage backward (not chest/stomach breathing)​
• Keep abs and glutes lightly flexed at all times​
• Rotate shoulders forward (not slumped) to properly support the neck​
• Stretch your shoulders, neck, and lower back to the point of mild discomfort regularly​
• Wear a flat mouthguard nightly + 1hr/day to fix bite issues and allow facial bone/fascia to move freely​

The goal is full body elongation, and your body is a SYSTEM. STOP FOCUSING ON YOUR FAILOS IN ISOLATION!​

For rotation do I keep my shoulders forward or back?

 

[Movi]

Also holy shit yeah the posture halo is real. Like 2 people noticed and complimented on it within a day or two

 

[///FORTY6IX]

For rotation do I keep my shoulders forward or back?

Technically forward in relation to your ribcage, but mostly shoulders out and rotated forwards yeah.

 

[///FORTY6IX]

To move the upper back, up and back in space, the only 'solution' I can think of is to roll my shoulders up, back and then down. It achieves what I said, but the sternum def isn't perpendicular at that point.

And congrats on your progress, love to see it.

I'll try to do the yt vid at least 2 times a day, and increase it to 3 if I can.

Wh


at I've sort of built up as of now is;
In the morning: General fascia release massages --> Atlas relaxation --> Toe touch stretch thing (3x60secs) --> A few minutes of trying to nail back breathing --> hugging a pillow and backbreathing (3x60s)

In the afternoon, --> Same procedure without the general fascia release

And neck curls thrice a week with bodyweight, and progressively overload after I get better

Also just wanted to say even though I haven't fully fixed anything yet, and this isnt placebo, I do feel much more 'alive' iykwim, after putting some attention into posture, and lastly, in the pic, are you tensing your SCMs or is that your natural posture?

This is all very good, and tbh my SCMs are always tensed no matter what at idle now maybe not ideal but I mean Barrett’s are too so it’s probably good.

 

[xXXxZeusxXXx]

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[pio]

what if you wear retainers

i need a posture guide so bad

 

[///FORTY6IX]

what if you wear retainers

i need a posture guide so bad

ditch the retainers (as I did months ago) and buy a flat plane mouthguard.

There is no easy way to make a non cope posture guide because this shit is very nuanced and takes months of self instruction and conscious effort to actively change your idle position.

Watch @asdfposture on TikTok. It’s a little esoteric but if you use your brain fully it’ll hopefully be of some help. Otherwise, just do as many of the basics listed here. Mainly ribcage expansion backwards and fixing pelvic tilt, along with strengthening neck and mouth muscle for proper mewing as Salludon does it.

I’m not saying you can’t improve posture with a retainer but I doubt you’ll get the skeletal movement you want keeping that on.

 

[pio]

ditch the retainers (as I did months ago) and buy a flat plane mouthguard.

There is no easy way to make a non cope posture guide because this shit is very nuanced and takes months of self instruction and conscious effort to actively change your idle position.

Watch @asdfposture on TikTok. It’s a little esoteric but if you use your brain fully it’ll hopefully be of some help. Otherwise, just do as many of the basics listed here. Mainly ribcage expansion backwards and fixing pelvic tilt, along with strengthening neck and mouth muscle for proper mewing as Salludon does it.

I’m not saying you can’t improve posture with a retainer but I doubt you’ll get the skeletal movement you want keeping that on.

but will my teeth shift? i corrected my bite wit invisalign, and now have retainers to keep them in place, with a mouthguard wouldnt they move back?

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Are we deadass devolving back to mewing
There is NO posture for your FACE, HEIGHT AND FRAME. A subhuman with good posture is still subhuman.

The only thing that will develop your face is nutritious food (raw organs, blood and fat)

 

[///FORTY6IX]

but will my teeth shift? i corrected my bite wit invisalign, and now have retainers to keep them in place, with a mouthguard wouldnt they move back?

They will move but they won’t move back. Trust me this was a huge debate before I took the leap of faith. At least with the mouthguard you won’t have any chance of grinding during sleep and the teeth won’t get crooked because the rubber keeps the teeth in line.

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Are we deadass devolving back to mewing
There is NO posture for your FACE, HEIGHT AND FRAME. A subhuman with good posture is still subhuman.

The only thing that will develop your face is nutritious food (raw organs, blood and fat)

Let’s see ur face then bro! And water that you should be eating animal fat and protein, but raw is such cope. Otherwise goatis wouldn’t be a downgrown Palatecel.

This thread is specifically for downgrowth, not for height and frame? Idk where I claimed that.

This is a bit more nuanced than “just mew” so I’d appreciate a better response from someone with 30k posts

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Are we deadass devolving back to mewing
There is NO posture for your FACE, HEIGHT AND FRAME. A subhuman with good posture is still subhuman.

The only thing that will develop your face is nutritious food (raw organs, blood and fat)

Also, good luck finding a Chad without good posture. Yes that includes depoot.

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Let’s see ur face then bro!

What's the point?

And water that you should be eating animal fat and protein, but raw is such cope. Otherwise goatis wouldn’t be a downgrown Palatecel.

During developmental years of course, he didn't eat raw meat then, but he's still growing facial bones in his late 30s, but minimal changes because he's not following a specific protocol that specifies certain foods in certain amounts

This thread is specifically for downgrowth, not for height and frame? Idk where I claimed that.

Point is changing your posture does jack shit for attraction. If you HAVE shit height and fram (and face) it will do absolutely nothing. This post has "ascension" in the title...

This is a bit more nuanced than “just mew” so I’d appreciate a better response from someone with 30k posts

It's mewtard ideology, this is exactly the type of shit you would see them talking about back then

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Also, good luck finding a Chad without good posture. Yes that includes depoot.

Most people already have normal posture lol, but i know some gl guys that have shit posture

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Most people already have normal posture lol, but i know some gl guys that have shit posture

I don’t think you really understand “good” posture then. Watch @asdfposture on TikTok and try to actually see what’s happening with ribcage and pelvis positioning. Most recessed people I see have very suboptimal body posture and most good looking people I see (face bones wise) have good elongated posture with expanded backs.

 

[///FORTY6IX]

Most people already have normal posture lol, but i know some gl guys that have shit posture

Heads and neck elevated, forward in space, instead of unsupported and collapsed.

If you can’t see it now I don’t know what to say this is the truth

Why do you think runners end up looking like shit? They start collapsing when they are edging exhaustion n their resting posture gets nuked.

 

[///FORTY6IX]

What's the point?

During developmental years of course, he didn't eat raw meat then, but he's still growing facial bones in his late 30s, but minimal changes because he's not following a specific protocol that specifies certain foods in certain amounts

Point is changing your posture does jack shit for attraction. If you HAVE shit height and fram (and face) it will do absolutely nothing. This post has "ascension" in the title...

It's mewtard ideology, this is exactly the type of shit you would see them talking about back then

Yeah lmao ur so stuck in the primal sauce idek what to say.

Salludons entire ascension was based around tongue and neck posture, and whether he knows it or not his resting ribcage posture changed as it’s visible in his initial 1.8 year ascension Reddit post. You can call him a mewtard too if you so please. He’s still Chad.

Raw Primal will not fix craniofacial dystrophy. This thread is about ascending your face.

 

[Movi]

Wouldn't having your chest like this induce horrible fhp