You dont need good pfl for top tier eye area

[needsolution]

Holy shit
I just watched romeo and juliet and was in awe of Leos eye area

I cant believe his pfl is less than mine.

So what is it that makes his so good

Good orbitals, good fat depositis, good eyebrows, good shape, good eye color

 

[Deleted member 4044]

Good orbitals, good fat depositis, good eyebrows, good shape, good eye color

So you're saying that mass above his upper eyelids that gives him really good hooding is actually fat, not brow bone?

 

[needsolution]

So you're saying that mass above his upper eyelids that gives him really good hooding is actually fat, not brow bone?
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Its for sure fat, his browbone is a bit higher

 

[Deleted member 4044]

Its for sure fat, his browbone is a bit higher

I am just looking at results for Upper Eyelid fat grafting.

Fantastic results. Very promising

Thanks for that.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Mine is 33-34mm wtf

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Mine is 33-34mm wtf

Remeasure.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Remeasure.

Took multiple pics with ruler right under eyes
idk but I meassure from medial canthus to the other corner right?

Measured both and took pics etc again
Seems to be ~33-36mm
Most being 34-35mm now

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Took multiple pics with ruler right under eyes
idk but I meassure from medial canthus to the other corner right?

Measured both and took pics etc again
Seems to be ~33-36mm
Most being 34-35mm now

Send a pic, even the top-tier male models don't have a that wide of a PFL.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Send a pic, even the top-tier male models don't have a that wide of a PFL.

Gonna send tomorrow

Took some more
It's between 31-35 for sure

But don't know how to meassure it perfectly

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Took multiple pics with ruler right under eyes
idk but I meassure from medial canthus to the other corner right?

Measured both and took pics etc again
Seems to be ~33-36mm
Most being 34-35mm now

this is what 32.5mm looks like:
you measured wrong or are deformed.

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Gonna send tomorrow

Took some more
It's between 31-35 for sure

But don't know how to meassure it perfectly

I've heard someone said that they asked their optometrist to measure their PFL while they were measuring their IPD for glasses (yeah right).

this is what 32.5mm looks like:
you measured wrong or are deformed.

The only thing that I don't envy about him is his PFH and Jew-ish hooked nose. otherwise it'd be great having all of his features.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

I've heard someone said that they asked their optometrist to measure their PFL while they were measuring their IPD for glasses (yeah right).

The only thing that I don't envy about him is his PFH and Jew-ish hooked nose. otherwise it'd be great having all of his features.

Measured wrongly
I measured from medial canthus to the outside of where upper and lower eyelids meet

Measuring like the pic above it's only 30-31mm
My bad

 

[Deleted member 3202]

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Measured wrongly
I measured from medial canthus to the outside of where upper and lower eyelids meet

Measuring like the pic above it's only 30-31mm
My bad

That's still good, I think Jordan Barrett has a PFL of around 30-31mms.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

That's still good, I think Jordan Barrett has a PFL of around 30-31mms.

Does the theory hold with most men having same size iris or something (might calculate after this)?

Can PFL even be changed or only frauded since we measuring this?

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Does the theory hold with most men having same size iris or something (might calculate after this)?

Can PFL even be changed or only frauded since we measuring this?

PFL can be changed via extremely invasive surgeries.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Can PFL even be changed or only frauded since we measuring this?

Yes.
There are multiple osteotomies/ soft tissue related procedures one can do to increase PFL:

and lashes can fraud wider PFL, along with lighter eye color and wider nicely shaped eyebrows:

<-- 25.5mm pfl (5mm below average)

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Yes.
There are multiple osteotomies/ soft tissue related procedures one can do to increase PFL:
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and lashes can fraud wider PFL, along with lighter eye color and wider nicely shaped eyebrows:

View attachment 380485<-- 25.5mm pfl (5mm below average)

Won't the change in PFL through a soft tissue procedure only be temporary since you're not actually changing the bone?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Won't the change in PFL through a soft tissue procedure only be temporary since you're not actually changing the bone?

no

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Yes.
There are multiple osteotomies/ soft tissue related procedures one can do to increase PFL:
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and lashes can fraud wider PFL, along with lighter eye color and wider nicely shaped eyebrows:

View attachment 380485<-- 25.5mm pfl (5mm below average)

I'm probaly 30mm after measuring multiple times, is this average?

I did notice dyeing eyelashes made eyes look a bit wider.
Osteotomies seems extreme unless it's for a sewerly bad PFL
Lateral epicanthoplasty seems to be the best option for most right?

 

[Deleted member 3202]

I'm probaly 30mm after measuring multiple times, is this average?

I did notice dyeing eyelashes made eyes look a bit wider.
Osteotomies seems extreme unless it's for a sewerly bad PFL
Lateral epicanthoplasty seems to be the best option for most right?

Average is 29mms.

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

Cope their PFL is +40mm

 

[Deleted member 3202]

I'm probaly 30mm after measuring multiple times, is this average?

I did notice dyeing eyelashes made eyes look a bit wider.
Osteotomies seems extreme unless it's for a sewerly bad PFL
Lateral epicanthoplasty seems to be the best option for most right?

What dye product did you use?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

I'm probaly 30mm after measuring multiple times, is this average?

I did notice dyeing eyelashes made eyes look a bit wider.
Osteotomies seems extreme unless it's for a sewerly bad PFL
Lateral epicanthoplasty seems to be the best option for most right?

30mm is good.
example of 30mm pfl:

id only recommend a tripod osteotomy to people with sub 25mm pfl or severe orbital asymmetries, however, not everybody is a candidate for epicanthoplasty/medial canthoplasty.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

What dye product did you use?

Refectocil
Bought a new from Eyelure that I haven't uses yet

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Refectocil
Bought a new from Eyelure that I haven't uses yet

Will buy it, though I already have some brown beard dye, afraid of what it'll do if I use it on my eyes though (Product name: Just For Men). . . . .

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Will buy it, though I already have some brown beard dye, afraid of what it'll do if I use it on my eyes though (Product name: Just For Men). . . . .

Used just for men for my eyebrows
I don't think it's a good idea for lashes the product is too strong to risk it

 

[Deleted member 3962]

look at this fucking misinformation

how the fuck are you measuring pfl in millimeters

"oH i JuSt TaKe AvErAgE mEaSuReMeNt oF 1 fAcE pArT aNd UsE iT aS rEfErEnCe"

The size of the iris varies from person to person with a range of 10.2 to 13.0 mm in diameter [4], an average size of 12 mm in diameter, and a circumference of 37 mm [5]

https://www.di.ubi.pt/~lfbaa/pubs/iscit2013.pdf

even if male models have tiny tiny irises(they don't) its only a margin of error of ~1.22 mm.
You can tell the PFL in the examples shown are below average based on the scleral shown between canthus and iris.

giving people fake hopes when there are 20 elements is shit-thinking

Obviously you need a good eye shape. I never once said that a shitty eye shape/color/etc can pull off low PFL, because it cant even pull off being good in the first place.

The importance of shape/coloring:
my eye area(measured IRL many many times and on the computer many times):

26mm(left eye) and 28.2mm(right eye):

Some curry with an obviously higher PFL(you can tell based on the amount of interior+outerior scleral shown:

Coloring, shape, lashes, brows, PCT, PFH, all way more important than PFL.

 

[Deleted member 3202]

The size of the iris varies from person to person with a range of 10.2 to 13.0 mm in diameter [4], an average size of 12 mm in diameter, and a circumference of 37 mm [5]

https://www.di.ubi.pt/~lfbaa/pubs/iscit2013.pdf

even if male models have tiny tiny irises(they don't) its only a margin of error of ~1.22 mm.
You can tell the PFL in the examples shown are below average based on the scleral shown between canthus and iris.


Obviously you need a good eye shape. I never once said that a shitty eye shape/color/etc can pull off low PFL, because it cant even pull off being good in the first place.

The importance of shape/coloring:
my eye area(measured IRL many many times and on the computer many times):

26mm(left eye) and 28.2mm(right eye):
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Some curry with an obviously higher PFL(you can tell based on the amount of interior+outerior scleral shown:
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Coloring, shape, lashes, brows, PCT, PFH, all way more important than PFL.

Your PFL looks great despite it being that low, my eye-shape sucks tbh (slightly rounded lower eyelid and extremely rounded upper eyelid, fixable but still. . . . .).

 

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average pfl: 29mm
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27.3mm

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28.3mm

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26.4mm

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26.8mm

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Every eye here mogs the forum.

PFLcels: its not over.

This tbh proves the importance as the eyeareas are basically from worst to best in same as pfl with lowest pfl lowest rated eyearea and highest pfl highest rated eyearea

 

[Deleted member 5187]

1) you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
2) and also, iris size varies from 10.2 to 13.0 millimeters.

so, next time you better state these two things and put AT LEAST a range and not a precise value.



P.S.
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).

READ AGAIN you stupid noobs on this fucking site posting measurements as they were precise

Relax fucking christ

I just put a ruler directly under my eye and took a lot of pics then zoomed and looked closely
Gave me a good indication

 

[Deleted member 3962]

1) you don't know how far the camera is from the iris (and this is VERY IMPORTANT).
2) and also, iris size varies from 10.2 to 13.0 millimeters.

1) after 6meters, no. and these were all photoshoot pics(taken with god tier cameras, not peasant iphones.)
2) indeed. 1mm margin of error. I used 12mm in my measurement. at highest, chicos PFL is 30mm, at lowest, its 29mm.

By the way, i got the same measurement IRL as i got for my eyes when measured on the computer, sooo.

Again, you can tell from scleral shown.

(my WORST eye area in my low PFL collection)
low PFL, decent eye area.

higher PFL(you can tell by scleral shown), shit eye area.


Literally PFL doesnt matter... AS LONG AS YOU HAVE GOOD ES RATIO!

im drunk bt w so fuck off

This tbh proves the importance as the eyeareas are basically from worst to best in same as pfl with lowest pfl lowest rated eyearea and highest pfl highest rated eyearea

idk what this means cuz im drunk but brad pitt has 27mm PFL and hes god sooooooooooooooooooooo....

 

[Deleted member 4087]

Wtf I always thought Chico and Tyson had long pfl

 

[Deleted member 3202]

Wtf I always thought Chico and Tyson had long pfl

Eyelashes and shape can fraud a shit PFL.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Wtf I always thought Chico and Tyson had long pfl

nah