You don't realize how important mandible position is

[Deleted member 2382]

I recently had an ortho scam me with poorly planned orthodontics which caused my occlusal plane angle to change immediately and caused mandible rotation.
Basically a 2mm gap between my wisdom teeth immediately closed as my wisdom teeth gained contact that would be physically impossible from tooth movement alone with just 2 aligners

This slight change in mandible angle had catastrophic effects on my mandible appearance and facial appearance as a whole but thankfully I found a device to undo the damage and signal to my jaw muscles to pull my mandible back to it's previously established position

With the orthodontics, my lower third suddenly looked more narrow and fragile and more downward grown, it completely reduced the overall facial robustness appearance just from mandible looking less square
My ramus looked shorter, my gonians looked more inwards, my chin looked too long

This got me thinking about just how much damage traditional orthodontics during teen years can do to someone's mandible position and face as a whole
They are literally dragging your mandible into an unnatural position and giving zero consideration for the aesthetic implications

Even this slight change in mandible angle completely changed how the shadow is cast on my jawline and the difference in squareness when looking from 3/4 view is dramatic
The non downward grown position is blatantly more aesthetic looking in terms of shadow casting
I had a surgeon basically deliver an ideal outcome a couple of years ago and a scamming ortho who told me i needed to fix a dental issue almost scammed me out of my jaw surgery result

I'm not sure how much of a benefit jaw implants can produce in terms of attaining peak aesthetic halo but simply getting your mandible into a natural position if you have a malocclusion can have extreme aesthetic benefits

I've known for some time that actually having mandible setback or shaving off some mandible mass (so long as it reduces downwards growth and helps with angle aesthetics) is more beneficial than having a large mass downward grown mandible but I didn't realize the full extent to which the mandible influences the aesthetics of the entire face even due to a minor rotation

Mandible is giga important

 

[robotchicken]

i feel like this woulda gotten more attention on looksmaxxing

 

[lnceIs]

The same effect op is describing can be observed when facing the mirror and tilting your head up. You can see how much more squared and robust your mandible looks.

It's really about a few mms of bone for most people

 

[Whatever]

When I first got into PSL, occlusal and mandibular plane, mandible and posterior maxilla, and the concave-convex model is how I truly understood faces after countless hours of sifting through everything. It was the signal within the shitload of noise. It's one of the main things that separates modern humans from Neanderthals and other past species, so it's been selected for on the largest scale, there's real science behind this.

My mandible is steeper on my right side and that's the side that I needed a wisdom tooth pulled. So I wanted CCW to address this, but because my mandible isn't technically recessed I would have to go way out of my way for it. In my class III case just moving the maxilla is so much easier for the surgery. Maybe I'll look into filler afterwards. But either way I'm definitely glad to be taking care of this later in life and not orthoraped during development. Even now one of the orthodontists I talked to offered extraction and retraction instead of surgery but fuck that shit.

 

[kaydd]

How beneficial do you think is a 2 piece bsso in terms of aesthetics?

 

[ccwb]

i feel like this woulda gotten more attention on looksmaxxing

U think bi dimensional braces + maybe elastics
Good?

 

[uksucks]

This got me thinking about just how much damage traditional orthodontics during teen years can do to someone's mandible position and face as a whole

I had braces in my teen years but they would always break after a few days during eating or me just fiddling. Happened every time and I CBA to go back so the whole treatment barely even worked and I had them off early.

My brother had them and they never broke, completed his treatment. And his mandible is recessed, barely any angularity in the side profile.

Whereas mine is developed normally, long ramus with a sharp angle.

Idk if it's just genetics or if that had something to do with it.

 

[ccwb]

I had braces in my teen years but they would always break after a few days during eating or me just fiddling. Happened every time and I CBA to go back so the whole treatment barely even worked and I had them off early.

My brother had them and they never broke, completed his treatment. And his mandible is recessed, barely any angularity in the side profile.

Whereas mine is developed normally, long ramus with a sharp angle.

Idk if it's just genetics or if that had something to do with it.

Bro
Braces like work on the bone of the teeth not mandible
So idk man
Weird Lwk

 

[Deleted member 2382]

This slight change in mandible angle had catastrophic effects on my mandible appearance and facial appearance as a whole but thankfully I found a device to undo the damage and signal to my jaw muscles to pull my mandible back to it's previously established position

Update on this, it's almost 3 months later but it's just now starting to get back to the previous position that I'm most familiar with aesthetically
It's utterly insane how much of an aesthetic difference a small amount of rotation can make
When I had surgery and both jaws were broken I believe the plane the new bite sat at was effectively optimal in terms of what looks like normal, natural growth, any deviation from this basically looks like improper growth / slight deformity

It's understandable that I went down the route of self glazing once my surgery result first stabalized because I basically went from deformed to "proper growth" looking and even a slight amount of jaw rotation eroded the proper growth look.

Now that I have seen the light, then was faced with darkness again then saw the light again, it makes me appreciate it to the full degree

 

[thedarkerone]

The same effect op is describing can be observed when facing the mirror and tilting your head up. You can see how much more squared and robust your mandible looks.

It's really about a few mms of bone for most people

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can this dogshit meme die already? millimetres are nothing, even centimetres mean nothing on their own, the difference between a ltn and a gl guy is way more than muh few mm of bone

 

[lnceIs]

can this dogshit meme die already? millimetres are nothing, even centimetres mean nothing on their own, the difference between a ltn and a gl guy is way more than muh few mm of bone

Maybe for you

 

[thedarkerone]

Maybe for you

for literally everyone, few mm makes the difference between mid chadlite and chad
nothing funnier than forum subhumans thinking that only a few mm holds them back from being a male model

 

[lnceIs]

for literally everyone, few mm makes the difference between mid chadlite and chad
nothing funnier than forum subhumans thinking that only a few mm holds them back from being a male model

A few mm is definitely enough for me, maybe you're just ugly