Your height is literally just how much you grew with growth factors before your hormones were high enough to force you to not be able to grow anymore

[Growth Plate]

This is literally the basic science that just takes one google search to confirm and everyone with half a brain on this forum should already know

Height growth ends at the end of puberty. Puberty progression is induced by rising levels of male hormones

You have too much testosterone at the end of puberty which converts to enough estrogen that fuses your growth plates. This is why adults cannot grow anymore

The heights of castrated men (therefore no testosterone, and in turn, no conversion into estrogen) were very tall



They just had more time to grow. There was no "genetic limit" to stop them because their growth plates stayed open like their entire lives because they have no hormones to fuse them

There was no genetic limit to say you must only be specifically 5'10" JFL

Aromatase deficient men have normal testosterone levels, but face no aromatization therefore abnormally nuked estrogen levels, so growth plate fusion is signficantly and exceptionately delayed in such men as well

Abnormally short stature is literally a characteristic of all of those with precocious (puberty started in like elementary school) puberty

The only thing that can make up for you going through puberty too fast or early would be having like abnormally and significantly above average growth hormone levels during your growing years or being aromatase deficient

FAQ

1. "Ok retard. Then why are people usually similar height as their parents?"

Because, usually, they would have the same hormonal profile due to genetics, and a similar environment to support those genetics

2. "Ok retard. What would cause one's hormonal profile to be different than their parents? What could cause early or delayed puberty other than genetics?"

There are a countless number of possible well known causes. Such as sudden brain tumors, acquired hypo or hyperthyroidism, acquired diseases, some third world situation, genetic mutations, or even infections, radiation exposure or the possible adverse hormonal effects of being critically underweight or overweight

FAQ over

 

[forevergymcelling]

Does this apply to dick?

 

[Growth Plate]

Does this apply to dick?

No, I stopped growing unusually early in height, but my dick grew to top percentile. There are no growth plates in your dick. Idk how dick growth works. All I know is if you're dht deficient you'll have a micropenis based on studies

 

[forevergymcelling]

TBH I was so fucking fat as a kid that I probably had truck loads of estrogen circulating my veins and working around the clock to fuse my shitty growth plates. I never stood a chance

My brother grew to 6'2 while I remain a 5'9 manlet

 

[BearBoy]

No, I stopped growing unusually early in height, but my dick grew to top percentile. There are no growth plates in your dick. Idk how dick growth works. All I know is if you're dht deficient you'll have a micropenis based on studies

Dick stop growing at early age and then the hormones that you reach peak when you are 18 - 21 makes you reach your genetic limit, girth, length. Basically just lets you get erection to your limit because of hormones.

Blood flow, androgens, dopamine.

 

[the BULL]

legit. i have 0 sex drive and kept growing in height until 25

 

[Growth Plate]

TBH I was so fucking fat as a kid that I probably had truck loads of estrogen circulating my veins and working around the clock to fuse my shitty growth plates. I never stood a chance

My brother grew to 6'2 while I remain a 5'9 manlet

I would think obesity should only be a serious problem for growth if you're in puberty, because then you would actually have a serious amount of testosterone being excessively aromatized into estrogen via a ridiculous amount of adipose tissue. This would either be more favorable or unfavorable depending on your genetically mediated aromatization rate

If you were so fat that you had woman tier tits, you probably fucked yourself

I can recall studies saying that fat children grow much more than the average child in their childhood while growing less than the average kid in puberty

 

[Deleted member 2403]

im partially manlet cause i had a fast puberty i only ended up taller than predicted cause of a better than average growth spurt, i had the growth of a high T person yet my dimorphism is not proportionate, i wonder why tbh

 

[currylightskin]

legit. i have 0 sex drive and kept growing in height until 25

cant believe a dinaric ogre like you have 0 drive

 

[incel194012940]

I would think obesity should only be a serious problem for growth if you're in puberty, because then you would actually have a serious amount of testosterone being excessively aromatized into estrogen via a ridiculous amount of adipose tissue. This would either be more favorable or unfavorable depending on your genetically mediated aromatization rate

If you were so fat that you had woman tier tits, you probably fucked yourself

I can recall studies saying that fat children grow much more than the average child in their childhood while growing less than the average kid in puberty

yeeeee I saw them too. Final height remained the same. Dick became permanently 10% smaller tho

 

[volcelfatcel]

die nigger @Serial Mogger

 

[Deleted member 2403]

legit. i have 0 sex drive and kept growing in height until 25

@EktoPlasma alt

 

[Growth Plate]

im partially manlet cause i had a fast puberty i only ended up taller than predicted cause of a better than average growth spurt, i had the growth of a high T person yet my dimorphism is not proportionate, i wonder why tbh

This thread I posted is so brutal

All of it and the fact that only women have similar proportions as me all support the fact that my odd proportions are due to abruptly early growth plate fusion

I never was "the short kid" before my growth plates suddenly fused. It is so weird...

 

[Growth Plate]

im partially manlet cause i had a fast puberty i only ended up taller than predicted cause of a better than average growth spurt, i had the growth of a high T person yet my dimorphism is not proportionate, i wonder why tbh

Test is not the only thing that can speed up growth velocity. You could have any abundance of something that induces growth (growth hormone for example), accelerates growth (androgens) or what is known to accelerate numerous human processes (hyperthyroidism)

 

[Hipcel]

FYI early puberty onset and ++ biological (not chronological) age are correlated.

So if you start puberty very early you might live less.

@Growth Plate I'm serious lel

 

[Growth Plate]

FYI early puberty onset and ++ biological (not chronological) age are correlated.

So if you start puberty very early you might live less.

I did not start pubety early, but I finished it early. Average puberty onset and early puberty completion

 

[Hipcel]

I did not start pubety early, but I finished it early. Average puberty onset and early puberty completion

This has to do with estrogen receptor density in various different bones, otherwise the plates wouldn't close at different times.

I'm fairly convinced that high testosterone during puberty helps for fast longitudinal growth. I grew ~13 cm in a year and it doesn't make sense I was naturally high on GH because as kid I was short + very bad bacne.

T to estradiol conversion and receptors, castrated men b4 adulthood don't even have a normal puberty. A better comparison would be teens with lower T vs higher T how much they grow.

 

[thereallegend]

No, I stopped growing unusually early in height, but my dick grew to top percentile. There are no growth plates in your dick. Idk how dick growth works. All I know is if you're dht deficient you'll have a micropenis based on studies

Why DHT blockers to save your hair are a Catch 22.

 

[Growth Plate]

@EktoPlasma @Leonardo DiCaprio

At 13, my other 13yo friend and I talked about how in porn, guys would cum and we wondered how they accomplished that. This was the age I became actually interested in porn and very horny as well

At 12, I recall having pre cum for the first time in response to accidentally seeing nudes online

Back to 13

After a trials and error of only being able to squirting out clear fluid, I would slowly begin to actually be able to produce something that actually looked similar to what I saw in porn

That year was crazy for me with puberty too. Leg growth spurt getting me from 5'1" to 5'5". Voice dropped out of no where from being abnormally high pitched for even a boy at that age to the point where rumors spread about me being "gay" to sounding decently deep. Don't remember pubic tanner stages during that year. Leg hair finally started growing

Doesn't this sound like the average start?

The puberty just finished early like a year and a half later

No changes from mid 14 to late 15 then sudden happy trail, stomach hair and chin hair growth once I turmed 16. Leg and upper lip hair was already present but got more of it. Height growth been over though

Other than pubic hair, facial and body hair are absolutely cope for trying to tell if you're done with puberty or not

 

[thereallegend]

Test is not the only thing that can speed up growth velocity. You could have any abundance of something that induces growth (growth hormone for example), accelerates growth (androgens) or what is known to accelerate numerous human processes (hyperthyroidism)

What do you think about applying anti-androgens to the scalp to save your hair?

 

[andy9432]

Why arent trans people who transition before puberty tall then?

 

[johncruz12345]

TBH I was so fucking fat as a kid that I probably had truck loads of estrogen circulating my veins and working around the clock to fuse my shitty growth plates. I never stood a chance

My brother grew to 6'2 while I remain a 5'9 manlet

Fat kids have puberty end earlier and also grow less tall.

 

[Hipcel]

Fat kids have puberty end earlier and also grow less tall.

And chubbyish ones grew the tallest from my class

 

[Growth Plate]

Why arent trans people who transition before puberty tall then?

Proof? Go ahead and inject a 13 yo boy with literal estrogen for a gender transition and watch him grow tall bro. No way

 

[andy9432]

Proof? Go ahead and inject a 13 yo boy with literal estrogen for a gender transition and watch him grow tall bro. No way

In our experience, we have found that the height of transgender female adolescents who received GnRHa in early puberty followed by exogenous estradiol therapy attained a final adult height shorter than their birth-assigned (e.g., male) prediction, but taller than their affirmed sex (e.g., female) prediction.

 

[Growth Plate]

What do you think about applying anti-androgens to the scalp to save your hair?

No idea. I'm not old enough to worry about that yet and idk if I'm gonna use roids

 

[Growth Plate]

castrated men b4 adulthood don't even have a normal puberty

They don't have a puberty so they're an extreme example of low t and therefore low e being able to clearly prolong growth window

 

[Growth Plate]

I'm fairly convinced that high testosterone during puberty helps for fast longitudinal growth. I grew ~13 cm in a year and it doesn't make sense I was naturally high on GH because as kid I was short + very bad bacne.

5 inches is only an inch above the avg growth spurt from age 13 to 14. I had thr average growth spurt that year which is 4 inches

I already know t accelerates growth too, but it would fuck you in the end after it aromatizes into all that estrogen

 

[Hipcel]

5 inches is only an inch above the avg growth spurt from age 13 to 14. I had thr average growth spurt that year which is 4 inches

I already know t accelerates growth too, but it would fuck you in the end after it aromatizes into all that estrogen

It's 10cm, so + 30% , so terrible acne and bacne lead me to believe it helped.

Even if I hopped on stack it wouldn't help that much imo, plus I read you need estro for neuroprotection and heart, normal sex drive during puberty, etc.

Someone should compare lower T vs higher T teens though that go through normal puberty

Spoiler: Mean height gain 7.3cm but with GH usage too

Without oestrogen action, the fusion of the growth plates is postponed and longitudinal growth continues for an exceptionally long period of time.

Or in other words, control estrogen and you can increase height. But what about the testosterone action fusing growth plates?

Results from three prospective randomised controlled trials using potent third-generation aromatase inhibitors have recently been published. These studies all show that treatment with the aromatase inhibitors letrozole and anastrozole effectively delays bone maturation and increases predicted adult height in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP), idiopathic short stature and growth hormone deficiency.

Hold the phone… really?

Yup.

3 separate groups used 1mg of anastrozole for 12 months, 24 months, and 36 months respectively. Linear growth was comparable between the groups: net increase in predicted adult height of 2.2cm at 12 months, 4.5cm at 24 months, and 6.7cm at 36 months. This is to be compared with just a 1-cm gain in the placebo group. Estradiol concentrations increased less in the anastrozole group compared with placebo group, with no significant differences in the speed of virilization and no real changes between the groups on glucose and lipids.

The dose of 1mg per week is notable – this is roughly the AI dose in a TRT dose of testosterone, which tends to range between 0.5mg-1mg per week from my personal experience. There were no adverse effects that can be tied to taking the drug. Anastrozole at this dose is generally well tolerated and this group of adolescents (average age of 13.8) is in line with that expectation.

As it goes for height, should this be combined with GH? GH adds height through increased height velocity, speeding growth up prior to plates closing. By keeping the plates open using an AI, I see a lot more value than using just either compound by themselves. And the data backs it up.

Use of AI combined with GH achieved a mean net height gain of 7.3cm. The only thing you need to keep in mind is the age of the patients that achieved this was on average 11.66 years old. Which brings us back to my original GH article saying that an early intervention age is key. Still though, given the availability of MK677 and anastrozole, I couldn’t or wouldn’t blame a late teen for trying to eek out the last half an inch of growth.

The researchers do note that they consider the end of linear growth to be a bone age of at least 16 years old and a growth velocity of less than 2cm/year. The bone age is the predictor here for if this treatment will be effective and is usually correlated with biological age, but not always exactly – for example, a 16 year old may have a bone age of 15, therefore GH & AI treatment may still yet be effective. In males, epiphyseal fusion (when your growth plates close and you’re SOL) range between 14 - 19 (race offers some variability), 12 - 16 for ladies. If you’re outside of these ranges this treatment is unlikely to be effective for you.

Glad to have explored this topic, which I hope has answered a couple of follow up questions I had from our members.

 

[Deleted member 2403]

They don't have a puberty so they're an extreme example of low t and therefore low e being able to clearly prolong growth window

hes a good example, he grew to 6’3 cause he’s literally a eunuch

 

[Deleted member 2403]

Test is not the only thing that can speed up growth velocity. You could have any abundance of something that induces growth (growth hormone for example), accelerates growth (androgens) or what is known to accelerate numerous human processes (hyperthyroidism)

i doubt hgh cause i have no high hgh features like big browridge big nose, it was probs high androgen levels which explains why i was already norwooding by 16 (went from nw0 to nw0.5 16-17, and 0.5-1 17-18, most ppl dont lose their juvenile hairlines till 19-20) and i have a lot of body hair

 

[Deleted member 2403]

@EktoPlasma @Leonardo DiCaprio

At 13, my other 13yo friend and I talked about how in porn, guys would cum and we wondered how they accomplished that. This was the age I became actually interested in porn and very horny as well

At 12, I recall having pre cum for the first time in response to accidentally seeing nudes online

Back to 13

After a trials and error of only being able to squirting out clear fluid, I would slowly begin to actually be able to produce something that actually looked similar to what I saw in porn

That year was crazy for me with puberty too. Leg growth spurt getting me from 5'1" to 5'5". Voice dropped out of no where from being abnormally high pitched for even a boy at that age to the point where rumors spread about me being "gay" to sounding decently deep. Don't remember pubic tanner stages during that year. Leg hair finally started growing

Doesn't this sound like the average start?

The puberty just finished early like a year and a half later

No changes from mid 14 to late 15 then sudden happy trail, stomach hair and chin hair growth once I turmed 16. Leg and upper lip hair was already present but got more of it. Height growth been over though

Other than pubic hair, facial and body hair are absolutely cope for trying to tell if you're done with puberty or not

u were likely already stage 3 by 12 since u could precum and ur spurt was in its early stages, i think u started puberty mid 11-early 12 range, finishing at 15 is not that unlikely since fast pubertycels can have 3 year pubertys

 

[Growth Plate]

u were likely already stage 3 by 12 since u could precum and ur spurt was in its early stages, i think u started puberty mid 11-early 12 range, finishing at 15 is not that unlikely since fast pubertycels can have 3 year pubertys

Idk if it was actually pre cum. I just remember some fluid and it smelled like pee. To be honest I was probably just being retarded and it was actually just leftover piss

I could only actually coom after trial and error somewhere between early and mid 13 which I think is average

I just find it very funny that you think I would already be stage 3 at 12 because I was picked on for being a faggot at that age because my voice was abnormally high pitched compared tp all the other boys and I just had zero signs of pubertal developmental other than maybe like 3 pubes

I never looked like those early bloomer mexican kids when I was 12 or 13 bro jfl

12 and 13 year old me are completely different. 12 year old me cried multiples in class / after school and made my friend give a love letter to an asian girl taller than me that said how smart and beautiful she was. 13 year old me then looked at girls completely different, rapid signs of puberty (first voice drop, acne, nut, leg growth spurt)

 

[Ritalincell]

@EktoPlasma @Leonardo DiCaprio

At 13, my other 13yo friend and I talked about how in porn, guys would cum and we wondered how they accomplished that. This was the age I became actually interested in porn and very horny as well

At 12, I recall having pre cum for the first time in response to accidentally seeing nudes online

Back to 13

After a trials and error of only being able to squirting out clear fluid, I would slowly begin to actually be able to produce something that actually looked similar to what I saw in porn

That year was crazy for me with puberty too. Leg growth spurt getting me from 5'1" to 5'5". Voice dropped out of no where from being abnormally high pitched for even a boy at that age to the point where rumors spread about me being "gay" to sounding decently deep. Don't remember pubic tanner stages during that year. Leg hair finally started growing

Doesn't this sound like the average start?

The puberty just finished early like a year and a half later

No changes from mid 14 to late 15 then sudden happy trail, stomach hair and chin hair growth once I turmed 16. Leg and upper lip hair was already present but got more of it. Height growth been over though

Other than pubic hair, facial and body hair are absolutely cope for trying to tell if you're done with puberty or not

sounds like normal puberty tbh

 

[Deleted member 15854]

hyperthyroidism make u grow tall?

This is literally the basic science that just takes one google search to confirm and everyone with half a brain on this forum should already know

Height growth ends at the end of puberty. Puberty progression is induced by rising levels of male hormones

You have too much testosterone at the end of puberty which converts to enough estrogen that fuses your growth plates. This is why adults cannot grow anymore

The heights of castrated men (therefore no testosterone, and in turn, no conversion into estrogen) were very tall



They just had more time to grow. There was no "genetic limit" to stop them because their growth plates stayed open like their entire lives because they have no hormones to fuse them

There was no genetic limit to say you must only be specifically 5'10" JFL

Aromatase deficient men have normal testosterone levels, but face no aromatization therefore abnormally nuked estrogen levels, so growth plate fusion is signficantly and exceptionately delayed in such men as well

Abnormally short stature is literally a characteristic of all of those with precocious (puberty started in like elementary school) puberty

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The only thing that can make up for you going through puberty too fast or early would be having like abnormally and significantly above average growth hormone levels during your growing years or being aromatase deficient

FAQ

1. "Ok retard. Then why are people usually similar height as their parents?"

Because, usually, they would have the same hormonal profile due to genetics, and a similar environment to support those genetics

2. "Ok retard. What would cause one's hormonal profile to be different than their parents? What could cause early or delayed puberty other than genetics?"

There are a countless number of possible well known causes. Such as sudden brain tumors, acquired hypo or hyperthyroidism, acquired diseases, some third world situation, genetic mutations, or even infections, radiation exposure or the possible adverse hormonal effects of being critically underweight or overweight

FAQ over

per

 

[Deleted member 15854]

can i aromitizationmaxx naturally without inhibitor?

I would think obesity should only be a serious problem for growth if you're in puberty, because then you would actually have a serious amount of testosterone being excessively aromatized into estrogen via a ridiculous amount of adipose tissue. This would either be more favorable or unfavorable depending on your genetically mediated aromatization rate

If you were so fat that you had woman tier tits, you probably fucked yourself

I can recall studies saying that fat children grow much more than the average child in their childhood while growing less than the average kid in puberty

n

 

[Growth Plate]

can i aromitizationmaxx naturally without inhibitor?

n

Just be as very low body fat as possible as aromatization occurs in fat tissue. It also occurs in muscle tissue so don't do roids unless you're done growing in height and frame

 

[Growth Plate]

hyperthyroidism make u grow tall?

per

Hyperthyroidism increases the speed at which everything is done in your body I think. I think it would increase the speed of which you grow like testosterone does during puberty which is why we grow in spurts in puberty. Patients with hypothyroidism prior to growth plate fusion are characterized by possessing abnormally slow and delayed growth. Just look up the function of the Thyroid

 

[Deleted member 15854]

i

Hyperthyroidism increases the speed at which everything is done in your body I think. I think it would increase the speed of which you grow like testosterone does during puberty which is why we grow in spurts in puberty. Patients with hypothyroidism prior to growth plate fusion are characterized by possessing abnormally slow and delayed growth. Just look up the function of the Thyroid

ve beenvegan whole life on indian diet jfl and no iodised salt. began talking good amounts of iodised salt rcently. im turning 19 in a month but late bloomer/stunted growth. ill update if i get results

 

[Growth Plate]

late bloomer

Doubt
If youre actually a late bloomer enough to heightmax then you would have grown 2 inches the past year

 

[Deleted member 15854]

i grew when i was 16/17

 

[Deleted member 15854]

havent rlly grown much this yr tho jfl

 

[Growth Plate]

havent rlly grown much this yr tho jfl

It's over but at least you had so much time to grow

I joined this forum at early 15 on my first acc but I stopped growing months before

 

[6ft4]

I can recall studies saying that fat children grow much more than the average child in their childhood while growing less than the average kid in puberty

I've observed this often
I have a friend who was like 5'10 aged 12 and his final adult height is 5'11.5
He's been fat all his life

 

[Growth Plate]

I've observed this often
I have a friend who was like 5'10 aged 12 and his final adult height is 5'11.5
He's been fat all his life

At least he's basically 6ft unlike @Roping Subhuman who stopped growing at 12 and 5'2"

 

[volcelfatcel]

muh id have been 7'0 if i drank milk and ate dates @Serial Mogger

 

[Growth Plate]

muh id have been 7'0 if i drank milk and ate dates @Serial Mogger

That's not what this thread is trying to say at all. Just was explaining how malleable height is depending on your hormones and onset of puberty. Genetics is still the main factor

 

[TsarTsar444]

I was 5'7.5 at 12 and ended up 6'1 by 16, thats like 6 inches. Im 21 now and still 6'1

 

[n0rthface]

Dick stop growing at early age and then the hormones that you reach peak when you are 18 - 21 makes you reach your genetic limit, girth, length. Basically just lets you get erection to your limit because of hormones.

Blood flow, androgens, dopamine.

I hit puberty late and only saw growth in my cock size when i hit 17 year olds reaching top percentile within a year

 

[Deleted member 2729]

I started puberty late yet still am giga manlet riddle me this