You're not boneless you just have narrow lips (cutecels GTFIH)

[Seeyenar]

Before you think about blasting roids or getting eppley browridge implants in an attempt to escape cuteceldom, check if you have narrow lips first.

The effect that stretching my lips for a few minutes has when i look at my face again in the mirror is insane, instantly makes lower third so much stronger. While it technically has a weaker relation to sexual dimorphism compared to other traits like bigonial width, chin size etc. What it does have a correlation to is making you look like a boy (cutecel) or a MAN (fuckable). narrow lips are a FALIO but wide lips are not a HALO, it should just be seen as normal, no adult male should have narrow lips if they want to be taken seriously.

The guy on the left looks like he could be the guy on the rights younger brother, and yet all that was changed was the width of literal soft tissue.

It's also especially crucial to have wide lips if you have a narrow jaw, if you have both a narrow jaw AND narrow lips then its over. If you have a narrow jaw but wide lips then there is at least some width in that region. you NEED width on your face (water).

This study explains how mouth (lip) width affects your physiognomy: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103115300251

"Mouth width, which correlates with the propensity for physical combat in primates and could therefore be linked to one's perceived dominance and achievement of greater social rank".

In case you didn't know we (homo sapiens) are primates so this applies to us, this alone should be enough to book your marpe appointment if you're already on the fence about it, forget about the off-chance that your zygos or ipd might widen, if you can even get noticeably wider lips that alone is worth it.


as for harmony, narrow lips of course ruin your nose to lip ratio but further than that they have an impact on your perceived midface ratio and face width in general. wide lips can compensate for a slightly narrower ipd if the commissures reach the pupil, as this makes your midface look more "squared off" and compact, additionally narrow lips make your philtrum look longer, i thought i had a long philtrum but after temporarily stretching my lips i realized i have a normal philtrum length but it just looks giga narrow because of lips and narrow = long.

inb4 you say water, lip width has been talked about a lot on this forum in the past with regards to harmony but not enough emphasis is put on the damage narrow lips have on your dimorphism.

TLDR; narrow lips are very much contributing to you looking like a CUTECEL, finding a way to widen them should be your number 1 priority, The only three methods that can widen lips (that i know of) are Palate expansion, stretching appliances and commissuroplasty.

 

[sln]

dnr common knowledge atp

 

[Seeyenar]

dnr common knowledge atp

as i said at the end, narrow lip falio is definitely common knowledge but not enough people talk about how it can make you look like a kid

 

[sln]

as i said at the end, narrow lip falio is definitely common knowledge but not enough people talk about how it can make you look like a kid

There's more important things to worry about

 

[spanishmog]

what to do for us narrow lipcels

 

[Seeyenar]

what to do for us narrow lipcels

if your lips are truly narrow you should try out the 3D printed mouth widening appliances, some say it causes smile lines but there isn't much evidence for this, Just use a moisturizer and hope for the best. https://looksmax.org/threads/mouth-widening-appliances.133623/ find a 3D printing service online and order, my lip width is like 45mm and im using the 9cm one

 

[Seeyenar]

There's more important things to worry about

what is higher roi for most people, potentially adding a cm to lip width with an appliance that costs 10-20$ or spending thousands on jaw implants to add a few mm and risk getting botched. There aren't really many options to increase dimorphism for the average user here, and 99% of users will never get surgery anyway.

 

[Acquiescence]

Just one of my many unfixable failos

Why even fucking try anymore

 

[Seeyenar]

Just one of my many unfixable failos

Why even fucking try anymore

have you tried widening it with an appliance? many report gaining 0.5-1cm

 

[Seeyenar]

Bump

 

[kaydd]

pls link me any stretching guides

 

[Seeyenar]

I linked a thread in an earlier reply, wear that for a few hours a day for at least a month, once you reach desired size you may have to wear it a few times a week to maintain size, however after enough stretching the soft tissue stretch should become permanent.

 

[Seeyenar]

pls link me any stretching guides

Reply is below (idk why it didn’t reply directly to you)

 

[lucifer88]

There's more important things to worry about

everything is important

 

[Itsnotover77]

Before you think about blasting roids or getting eppley browridge implants in an attempt to escape cuteceldom, check if you have narrow lips first.

The effect that stretching my lips for a few minutes has when i look at my face again in the mirror is insane, instantly makes lower third so much stronger. While it technically has a weaker relation to sexual dimorphism compared to other traits like bigonial width, chin size etc. What it does have a correlation to is making you look like a boy (cutecel) or a MAN (fuckable). narrow lips are a FALIO but wide lips are not a HALO, it should just be seen as normal, no adult male should have narrow lips if they want to be taken seriously.

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The guy on the left looks like he could be the guy on the rights younger brother, and yet all that was changed was the width of literal soft tissue.

It's also especially crucial to have wide lips if you have a narrow jaw, if you have both a narrow jaw AND narrow lips then its over. If you have a narrow jaw but wide lips then there is at least some width in that region. you NEED width on your face (water).

This study explains how mouth (lip) width affects your physiognomy: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103115300251

"Mouth width, which correlates with the propensity for physical combat in primates and could therefore be linked to one's perceived dominance and achievement of greater social rank".

In case you didn't know we (homo sapiens) are primates so this applies to us, this alone should be enough to book your marpe appointment if you're already on the fence about it, forget about the off-chance that your zygos or ipd might widen, if you can even get noticeably wider lips that alone is worth it.


as for harmony, narrow lips of course ruin your nose to lip ratio but further than that they have an impact on your perceived midface ratio and face width in general. wide lips can compensate for a slightly narrower ipd if the commissures reach the pupil, as this makes your midface look more "squared off" and compact, additionally narrow lips make your philtrum look longer, i thought i had a long philtrum but after temporarily stretching my lips i realized i have a normal philtrum length but it just looks giga narrow because of lips and narrow = long.

inb4 you say water, lip width has been talked about a lot on this forum in the past with regards to harmony but not enough emphasis is put on the damage narrow lips have on your dimorphism.

TLDR; narrow lips are very much contributing to you looking like a CUTECEL, finding a way to widen them should be your number 1 priority, The only three methods that can widen lips (that i know of) are Palate expansion, stretching appliances and commissuroplasty.

Are there then any DIY or ways I could slightly wighten the mouth a bit?

 

[KidFlash]

I'm pretty sure my lips have grown in length instead due to not growing in width because of my narrow palate, is this common? it's my worst failo by far

 

[Seeyenar]

I'm pretty sure my lips have grown in length instead due to not growing in width because of my narrow palate, is this common? it's my worst failo by far

Yes I have the exact same issue, my palate and lips were wide when I was a kid but in early teens palate narrowed and I was left with these disgusting narrow (but full) lips. It definitely makes you look a lot less mature.

 

[Seeyenar]

Are there then any DIY or ways I could slightly wighten the mouth a bit?

Yes see my earlier replies

 

[ronluk]

Yes I have the exact same issue, my palate and lips were wide when I was a kid but in early teens palate narrowed and I was left with these disgusting narrow (but full) lips. It definitely makes you look a lot less mature.

Got the same issue. Mine was due to braces (Jew device) narrowing my palate. Wish I had my normal natural facial growth maybe I wouldn’t feel subhuman everytime I opened my little cuck mouth

 

[Seeyenar]

Got the same issue. Mine was due to braces (Jew device) narrowing my palate. Wish I had my normal natural facial growth maybe I wouldn’t feel subhuman everytime I opened my little cuck mouth

my retarded ortho decided to extract 4 premolars at 13 years old, now my teeth are straight but it doesn't matter because the palate size looks subhuman , and i'll probably have to get expansion in the future anyway.

 

[ronluk]

my retarded ortho decided to extract 4 premolars at 13 years old, now my teeth are straight but it doesn't matter because the palate size looks subhuman , and i'll probably have to get expansion in the future anyway.

Same here. We were just innocent jits. And our parents low iq normies. Alongside narrow lips/palate I got facial asymmetry and recession in my mandible from it. I give up on expanding and il accept my palate being my shit trait. But I will fix the recession with trimax and add more bones cuz fuck it

 

[GenZ]

Just one of my many unfixable failos

Why even fucking try anymore

Why even try anymore? Do a chadfish experiment on Snapchat and you'll see why. The world awaits us bro.

 

[Acquiescence]

Why even try anymore? Do a chadfish experiment on Snapchat and you'll see why. The world awaits us bro.

No shit

Good fucking luck becoming Chad though

 

[Marse_t]

wide lips can compensate for a slightly narrower ipd if the commissures reach the pupil

Does this mean the opposite is true for a wider IPD? My IPD is wider than ideal by a significant amount, but my mouth is narrow, just slightly wider than my alar base, almost the same, would make them larger make my ipd look even bigger and farther apart?

 

[itsgenuinelysoover]

Just one of my many unfixable failos

Why even fucking try anymore

couldnt have said it better bhai

 

[Seeyenar]

Does this mean the opposite is true for a wider IPD? My IPD is wider than ideal by a significant amount, but my mouth is narrow, just slightly wider than my alar base, almost the same, would make them larger make my ipd look even bigger and farther apart?

The positive effect is more on midface ratio not ipd itself.

The reason wide lips help give the illusion of higher midface ratio is the same reason why wide jaw gives the illusion of higher fwhr. you're going from an inverted triangle shape to more of a square shape. Despite the width of the upper part of the shape not changing, widening the lower part makes the shape as a whole look wider.

ian somerhalder actually has a very narrow face by PSL standards, fwhr of around 1.75, but it looks a lot higher because of his very wide jaw.

now just apply the same logic to the midface ratio (eyes and lips)

any shape that tapers inwards will look narrower as a whole to the naked eye.

And from a more anatomical standpoint rather than just thinking about basic shapes, wide lips signify a wide palate which correlates with a wide maxilla therefore people perceive your face to have more lateral development, even if none of these things are actually wide apart from your lips.

@SpectrumAesthetics3 Btw never knew just how bad ian somerhalders fwhr and especially midface ratios are jfl, just proof that it's mostly about the overall shape and physiognomy that your face exudes rather than solely the ratios themselves. Comes back to my point about harmony on your somerhalder thread, objective harmony ratios would say that somerhalders jaw is too wide and that he would benefit from having it reduced, but that extra "unharmonious" width that extends past his zygos is exactly what he needs to compensate for his lacking midface width while also adding to his dimorphism, strikingness etc.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

The positive effect is more on midface ratio not ipd itself.

The reason wide lips help give the illusion of higher midface ratio is the same reason why wide jaw gives the illusion of higher fwhr. you're going from an inverted triangle shape to more of a square shape. Despite the width of the upper part of the shape not changing, widening the lower part makes the shape as a whole look wider.

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ian somerhalder actually has a very narrow face by PSL standards, fwhr of around 1.75, but it looks a lot higher because of his very wide jaw.

now just apply the same logic to the midface ratio (eyes and lips)

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any shape that tapers inwards will look narrower as a whole to the naked eye.

And from a more anatomical standpoint rather than just thinking about basic shapes, wide lips signify a wide palate which correlates with a wide maxilla therefore people perceive your face to have more lateral development, even if none of these things are actually wide apart from your lips.

@SpectrumAesthetics3 Btw never knew just how bad ian somerhalders fwhr and especially midface ratios are jfl, just proof that it's mostly about the overall shape and physiognomy that your face exudes rather than solely the ratios themselves. Comes back to my point about harmony on your somerhalder thread, objective harmony ratios would say that somerhalders jaw is too wide and that he would benefit from having it reduced, but that extra "unharmonious" width that extends past his zygos is exactly what he needs to compensate for his lacking midface width while also adding to his dimorphism, strikingness etc.

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