12 tooth smile is an unmoggable trait. Swallow the smilepill.

[NegativeNorwood]

Literally the first thing normies notice.
Even in Photofeeler, there's always someone that comments, irrespectibly of how good looking you are: "would prefer if you were smiling".

This is what a winner smile looks like:

Notice how successful, approachable, friendly and confident he looks at first glance, legit can't lose at life.

Look at this brutal comparison between someone with a proper, 12 tooth smile and someone with a narrow, 6 tooth smile and large buccal corridors:

SARPE (widens the upper palate) and MSDO (widens the lower palate and chin) + braces are the way to go from a narrow, cuck smile with large visible buccal corridors to a winner, main character 12 tooth smile without visible buccal corridors.

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[NegativeNorwood]

Was SARPE painful OP?

Didn't do it yet. Hope to do it this year.
I hate my 8 tooth smile, so it should be more than worth it even if it is painful...

 

[Gaia262]

Literally the first thing normies notice.
Even in Photofeeler, there's always someone that comments, irrespectibly of how good looking you are: "would prefer if you were smiling".

This is what a winner smile looks like:

Notice how successful, approachable, friendly and confident he looks at first glance, legit can't lose at life.

Look at this brutal comparison between someone with a proper, 12 tooth smile and someone with a narrow, 6 tooth smile and large buccal corridors:

SARPE (widens the upper palate) and MSDO (widens the lower palate and chin) + braces are the way to go from a narrow, cuck smile with large visible buccal corridors to a winner, main character 12 tooth smile without visible buccal corridors.

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A good smile is an indicator of good dento-facial/craniofacial growth. Alot of things have to come together to create a "good smile" its why we see it as aesthetic as its proxy for good health.

Not only that it is an indicator of hygiene, grooming, good surroundings, indicator of good mental wellbeing (also an important trait).

Alot of desirable traits are simply a proxy for good health/genes/development.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

A good smile is an indicator of good dento-facial/craniofacial growth. Alot of things have to come together to create a "good smile" its why we see it as aesthetic as its proxy for good health.

Not only that it is an indicator of hygiene, grooming, good surroundings, indicator of good mental wellbeing (also an important trait).

Alot of desirable traits are simply a proxy for good health/genes/development.

Exactly!
My narrow smile came with a narrow jaw and shorter than ideal ramus, it sucks but luckily it's fixable.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Expanding the upper arch is easy but expanding the lower arch is very difficult... The lower arch is a single bone formed from cartilage and not two bones with a suture between them like the upper jaw.

The problem with using an expander in the lower arch is that there is no suture close to the teeth to expand. There are two growth plates in the lower jaw, but they are located up by the joints, not down by the teeth. You can however create a “suture” surgically by cutting the lower jaw into 2 pieces then using an appliance to crank apart the 2 bones (distraction osteogenesis) and then letting it refill and close back into one bone but it doesn't give the most aesthetic results

It's also a very niche surgery, most surgeons don't do MSDO. To quote @RealSurgerymax... Getting a perfect 12 teeth wide palate surgically is not as easy as you think

MSE is a good procedure if you truly need it. It will give very little noticeable difference facially but still a subtle (almost subliminal) improvement in most people, but the biggest reason to have MSE is for a nice wide smile without dark corners.

MSDO is the least aesthetically pleasing of the 3 and IMDO is the most.

An Aesthetic male mandible Is Substantially wider posteriorly than anteriorly (even though a wide chin is masculine the mandibular body should taper inward from the gonial angle connecting to the chin) and MSDO creates the opposite effect in large expansions. That said a small MSDO will not hurt you especially if you truly need to expand the lower arch.

 

[goat2x]

First guy is very tradiotionally attractive

looks like a fucking hedge fund manager

 

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[bogii]

smiling creates wrinkles though

 

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[Deleted member 2729]

smiling creates wrinkles though

just never smile theory

 

[white girls lover]

a wide palate being attractive makes sense according to biology too unlike eye color or something

 

[Birdcell]

You sure about that ?

 

[bogii]

just never smile theory

this tbh, i rarely smile and I don't have any wrinkles/ nasolabial folds just in my forehead because I was dumb as a teen and squintmaxxed upwards

 

[exeight]

Literally the first thing normies notice.
Even in Photofeeler, there's always someone that comments, irrespectibly of how good looking you are: "would prefer if you were smiling".

This is what a winner smile looks like:

Notice how successful, approachable, friendly and confident he looks at first glance, legit can't lose at life.

Look at this brutal comparison between someone with a proper, 12 tooth smile and someone with a narrow, 6 tooth smile and large buccal corridors:

SARPE (widens the upper palate) and MSDO (widens the lower palate and chin) + braces are the way to go from a narrow, cuck smile with large visible buccal corridors to a winner, main character 12 tooth smile without visible buccal corridors.

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low iq thread to be honest

studies have shown, that men considered more attractive, when they not smile (also not look aggressive) just have a neutral look

you can google male model and you will see, most of them not smiling.. they just look neutral

but why is that this way? because looking neutral/not smiling = bad boy/masculine/strong thing versus smiling = soft/feminine/women thing

i could search the study that im talking about but only when some people want to read that
(because idk where i have seen that study, so i must search it)

EDIT

but of course, that just a male thing.. i mean, men will look more attractive, when they not smile.. with the girls are the opposite..
women smiling = attractive

 

[AlexBrown84]

Over for small teethcels

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Expanding the upper arch is easy but expanding the lower arch is very difficult... The lower arch is a single bone formed from cartilage and not two bones with a suture between them like the upper jaw.

The problem with using an expander in the lower arch is that there is no suture close to the teeth to expand. There are two growth plates in the lower jaw, but they are located up by the joints, not down by the teeth. You can however create a “suture” surgically by cutting the lower jaw into 2 pieces then using an appliance to crank apart the 2 bones (distraction osteogenesis) and then letting it refill and close back into one bone but it doesn't give the most aesthetic results

It's also a very niche surgery, most surgeons don't do MSDO. To quote @RealSurgerymax... Getting a perfect 12 teeth wide palate surgically is not as easy as you think

That's such a good point. I've read that post weeks ago, super useful as usual.
I won't benefit from IMDO since I have an already forward grown side profile, my problem is narrow jaw and palate, so it is MSDO with a surgically created suture for me AFAIK, still need to consult this with a surgeon. SARPE+MSDO and then Bimax with ramus widening and jaw angle implants after that should take care of the entire jaw, probably some bone shaving can be done on top of that if the jaw is too U shaped after MSDO. I'm still losing weight before doing more consultations but once I'm lean and do the consultations I'll update here. Surgery is a very, very complex topic, at least for me.

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

Good thread. I legit have a 6 tooth smile and it looks disgusting af. Hopefully SARPE will ascend me to a 10 tooth smile so I no longer look like a narrow jawed cuck.
Basically the best way to reduce buccal corridors is through SARPE + lefort advancement

 

[NegativeNorwood]

this tbh, i rarely smile and I don't have any wrinkles/ nasolabial folds just in my forehead because I was dumb as a teen and squintmaxxed upwards

MIRIN'!!
Just don't cuck yourself with that haircut and buy a proper men's shirt. Great smile.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

LMAO quoted @bogii instead of @Birdcell

 

[Birdcell]

LMAO quoted @bogii instead of @Birdcell

13 teeth smile palate to look like an autist , god I have to NT maxx somehow

 

[6ft4]

Agreed
If I open my mouth wide enough I have 6 teeth show on one side, 5 on other
I am hoping invisalign improves my teeth show, lefort should help also because my teeth will be closer to the observer rather than set back in my skull because of recessed maxilla

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[NegativeNorwood]

Agreed
If I open my mouth wide enough I have 6 teeth show on one side, 5 on other
I am hoping invisalign improves my teeth show, lefort should help also because my teeth will be closer to the observer rather than set back in my skull because of recessed maxilla

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Looks very good, Lefort and Invisalign will do everything you need and you'll have that mogger winner smile

Pray for me, this is my smile:

Everyone denying the importance of a full, 12 tooth smile without visible buccal corridors is legit mentally handicapped.
@Birdcell You don't know how much luck you had with your smile width, ntmaxx and haircut maxx
@Acromegaly_Chad We are going to make it bro, ascension is closer than ever.

 

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full study link: http://ubc-emotionlab.ca/wp-content/files_mf/tracybeall2011emotion.pdf

"happiness was the most attractive female emotion expression, and one of the least attractive in males."
"pride showed the reverse pattern; it was the most attractive male expression, and one of the least attractive in women."

 

[germanlooks]

was dumb as a teen and squintmaxxed upwards

 

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"happiness was the most attractive female emotion expression, and one of the least attractive in males."
"pride showed the reverse pattern; it was the most attractive male expression, and one of the least attractive in women."

Least attractive doesn't mean unattractive, and in real life smile is even more important because it plays a huge role on how you look in motion. No one talks with the mouth closed and with a "pride" stare like a Meeks or Ramirez mugshot, teeth are going to show up sooner or later and if they are disgusting...then that's a failo.

 

[eduardkoopman]

teeth are going to show up sooner or later and if they are disgusting...then that's a failo.

truth. teeth matters.

 

[lasthope]

Good thread. I legit have a 6 tooth smile and it looks disgusting af. Hopefully SARPE will ascend me to a 10 tooth smile so I no longer look like a narrow jawed cuck.
Basically the best way to reduce buccal corridors is through SARPE + lefort advancement

Is it true that lefort reduce buccal corridors?
Is it possible to ascend from 6 teeth smile to 8 teeth smile just by lefort?

 

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[Acromegaly_Chad]

Is it true that lefort reduce buccal corridors?
Is it possible to ascend from 6 teeth smile to 8 teeth smile just by lefort?

Depends on the amount of advancement and the shape of your maxilla, but it's definitely possible

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Good post and I agree but this is a terrible example in which the 6 tooth smile is still hotter, girl on the left looking like Jeff The Killer

 

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showing teeth is fundamentally feminine

 

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"happiness was the most attractive female emotion expression, and one of the least attractive in males."
"pride showed the reverse pattern; it was the most attractive male expression, and one of the least attractive in women."

Woah, based as fuck. No wonder soy smiling cucks are seen as so undesirable.

 

[lonelycurry]

i look like a goblin when i smilei look like a goblin when i smile

 

[NegativeNorwood]

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Good post and I agree but this is a terrible example in which the 6 tooth smile is still hotter, girl on the left looking like Jeff The Killer

Caged at Jeff the Killer
Girl on the left gives you wide jawed psycho dark triad looking Chad sons and has a mogger palate for pornstar tier blowjobs, wife material

 

[zeke714]

showing teeth is fundamentally feminine

Imagine having this tranny as your avatar

 

[Lygodactylus]

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Imagine having this tranny as your avatar

First off she's not a tranny
Second she looks like Chico, therefore I'd fuck her pretty hard
Edit; dosen't matter it's not the same girl.

 

[Chowdog]

Literally the first thing normies notice.
Even in Photofeeler, there's always someone that comments, irrespectibly of how good looking you are: "would prefer if you were smiling".

This is what a winner smile looks like:

Notice how successful, approachable, friendly and confident he looks at first glance, legit can't lose at life.

Look at this brutal comparison between someone with a proper, 12 tooth smile and someone with a narrow, 6 tooth smile and large buccal corridors:

SARPE (widens the upper palate) and MSDO (widens the lower palate and chin) + braces are the way to go from a narrow, cuck smile with large visible buccal corridors to a winner, main character 12 tooth smile without visible buccal corridors.

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u know all of them(celebrities) use fake veneers has teeth right ?

or did u really think that everyone who is a celebrity just automatically was born with perfect teeth ?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

low iq thread to be honest

studies have shown, that men considered more attractive, when they not smile (also not look aggressive) just have a neutral look

you can google male model and you will see, most of them not smiling.. they just look neutral

but why is that this way? because looking neutral/not smiling = bad boy/masculine/strong thing versus smiling = soft/feminine/women thing

i could search the study that im talking about but only when some people want to read that
(because idk where i have seen that study, so i must search it)

EDIT

but of course, that just a male thing.. i mean, men will look more attractive, when they not smile.. with the girls are the opposite..
women smiling = attractive

Do you know who fits the bad boy/masculine/strong archetype PERFECTLY? Richard Ramirez

I mean, look at that PSL 7+ resting face, so good that even made many women forget about his atrocious crimes.
Do you know what he did when he realized that his good looks were helping him to get more attention?
Come on, think about it. What he did? Did he call some local surgeon and said: please make my ramus longer, because it is a bit short? Did he call a makeup artist and said: apply blush to my cheekbones, so they appear even higher?
NO!

HE TOOK THE SMILE PILL

He knew that even with his dimorphism and features, smile cucked him hard, so much that even a librarian described him as someone with “absolutely disgusting, rotted teeth". Notice the words "absolutely disgusting" definitely not "very handsome with his mouth closed".
Looks even better with this morphed 10 tooth smile, compared to the 6 tooth one that his dentist was able to give him:

Can't use studies as a cope to not fix teeth and live with the mouth closed forever. Sure, men look better with a neutral expression but sooner or later they'll open the mouth to say something, and if their teeth are disgusting and the palates small, that's a failo. Non negotiable and undeniable. Everything matters, don't use studies to cope with failos, fix the failos instead.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

u know all of them(celebrities) use fake veneers has teeth right ?

or did u really think that everyone who is a celebrity just automatically was born with perfect teeth ?

Not everyone wears veneers and yes, there's people born with perfect teeth. Also, there's people that achieved perfect teeth with veneers and or surgery.

 

[exeight]

Do you know who fits the bad boy/masculine/strong archetype PERFECTLY? Richard Ramirez

I mean, look at that PSL 7+ resting face, so good that even made many women forget about his atrocious crimes.
Do you know what he did when he realized that his good looks were helping him to get more attention?
Come on, think about it. What he did? Did he call some local surgeon and said: please make my ramus longer, because it is a bit short? Did he call a makeup artist and said: apply blush to my cheekbones, so they appear even higher?
NO!

HE TOOK THE SMILE PILL

He knew that even with his dimorphism and features, smile cucked him hard, so much that even a librarian described him as someone with “absolutely disgusting, rotted teeth". Notice the words "absolutely disgusting" definitely not "very handsome with his mouth closed".
Looks even better with this morphed 10 tooth smile, compared to the 6 tooth one that his dentist was able to give him:

Can't use studies as a cope to not fix teeth and live with the mouth closed forever. Sure, men look better with a neutral expression but sooner or later they'll open the mouth to say something, and if their teeth are disgusting and the palates small, that's a failo. Non negotiable and undeniable. Everything matters, don't use studies to cope with failos, fix the failos instead.

haha my teeth are good (never needed a braces)

EDIT;

actually.. look at both picture.. i think the first one is much more better than the second (confirmed the study)

 

[NegativeNorwood]

haha my teeth are good (never needed a braces)

EDIT;

actually.. look at both picture.. i think the first one is much more better than the second (confirmed the study)
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Didn't you read what I wrote? The resting face looks better, but in real life he'll have to speak and he'll show his disgusting teeth. That's why the smile is so important. He was handsome and was described as someone with "absolutely disgusting, rotten teeth", not as just "handsome resting face". Gotta have the full package, face and smile included.

 

[Lorsss]

Expanding the upper arch is easy but expanding the lower arch is very difficult... The lower arch is a single bone formed from cartilage and not two bones with a suture between them like the upper jaw.

The problem with using an expander in the lower arch is that there is no suture close to the teeth to expand. There are two growth plates in the lower jaw, but they are located up by the joints, not down by the teeth. You can however create a “suture” surgically by cutting the lower jaw into 2 pieces then using an appliance to crank apart the 2 bones (distraction osteogenesis) and then letting it refill and close back into one bone but it doesn't give the most aesthetic results

It's also a very niche surgery, most surgeons don't do MSDO. To quote @RealSurgerymax... Getting a perfect 12 teeth wide palate surgically is not as easy as you think

@Slayerino underwent MSDO and Andreishev's MSE two years before bimax

 

[exeight]

Didn't you read what I wrote? The resting face looks better, but in real life he'll have to speak and he'll show his disgusting teeth. That's why the smile is so important. He was handsome and was described as someone with "absolutely disgusting, rotten teeth", not as just "handsome resting face". Gotta have the full package, face and smile included.

of course in RL you must speak but while you speak, you dont smile like a freak
i dont say, show no emotions while you interact with a person

just when you walk outside or drive in your car etc just look neutral and not even a lil bit smiling

the thing about teeth; i think most people have normal teeth and you are completely right, the teeth should look white and good

 

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You sure about that ?

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!! WTF!!!!

 

[Anomaly]

you need to have 12 teeth visible when smiling bro or it's over

Meanwhile the guy who your crush rubs herself to at night

(I count 6)

 

[Chowdog]

Not everyone wears veneers and yes, there's people born with perfect teeth. Also, there's people that achieved perfect teeth with veneers and or surgery.

i would know cuz im one of them, but even perfect real teeth dont look as good and paper white as those veneers that they appear using

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

this is a palatepill

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

low iq thread to be honest

studies have shown, that men considered more attractive, when they not smile (also not look aggressive) just have a neutral look

you can google male model and you will see, most of them not smiling.. they just look neutral

but why is that this way? because looking neutral/not smiling = bad boy/masculine/strong thing versus smiling = soft/feminine/women thing

i could search the study that im talking about but only when some people want to read that
(because idk where i have seen that study, so i must search it)

EDIT

but of course, that just a male thing.. i mean, men will look more attractive, when they not smile.. with the girls are the opposite..
women smiling = attractive

then just smirk or talk or eat nigger. a good palate is unmistakable