AGE OF CONSENT IS UTTER BULLSHIT

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

well as far as i'm concerned, most states in the usa already have an age of consent of 16

Ye, i dont agree with it. I think it should be 18 with a romeo and juliet law of a max age gap of 3 yrs

 

[Deleted member 275]

See, these are extremities, i was speaking generally. Generally, a 23 year old male has a lot more mental and financial power than a 16 year old female, we can both agree to that. Your use of extremities would be like me saying how about an 11 year old girl whos done developing, is she less mature than an 18 year old guy who isnt? Well duh no, but isnt it absurd to question if an 18 year old male shouldnt have sex with an 11 year old just because of an extreme outlier?

It's not really an outlier at all tbh. Lots of 25 year olds where I live are still students with almost 0 money. Lots of 16 year olds here have upper middle-class parents and are better off financially through parental support than the 25year olds. It's a very common scenario.

Don't forget that female children are given 40% more money from their parents than male children on average. It's very hard to be better off financially as a young guy than a young girl near your own age. Almost impossible.

Your example of the incel and and kate li (thats her right) made me cage but, that example would just be rape, and that goes for two people of legal age too obviously. im talking about two consenting people

I meant like manipulate by money, make her do fucked shit or shit she doesnt wanna do, etc etc

So if a girl does sexual acts to get money, this is bad from the man. If a girl does sexual acts to get favors/kindness from the man, this is bad from the man. Sex can only be done with consent (that is based off physical attraction).

Would you then also agree that a guy betabuxxing for a woman is financial rape/dominance then? Since the woman isnt really consenting the sex, but just doing it for the money. She is financially dominated by her betabux husband that should be jailed for what is no less than rape.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

It's not really an outlier at all tbh. Lots of 25 year olds where I live are still students with almost 0 money. Lots of 16 year olds here have upper middle-class parents and are better off financially through parental support than the 25year olds. It's a very common scenario.

Don't forget that female children are given 40% more money from their parents than male children on average. It's very hard to be better off financially as a young guy than a young girl near your own age. Almost impossible.

U have a point about the money ig, but my point about the mental dominance stands, a 23 year old man is almost always mentally superior to a 16 year old woman in almost every case. Not even talking intelligence only, but the life experience as i mentioned, and surrounding environment. As you said the teen girls are padded by their parents and they also have the environment around them where they just brainlessly take selfies and post on snap. Actually my financial point was stupid, because it doesnt even matter. The reason why i believe aoc should be 18 is for the most part, the surrounding environments of both parties start to become similar as they both move towards a life of self responsibility

 

[Deleted member 4612]

U have a point about the money ig, but my point about the mental dominance stands, a 23 year old man is almost always mentally superior to a 16 year old woman in almost every case. Not even talking intelligence only, but the life experience as i mentioned, and surrounding environment. As you said the teen girls are padded by their parents and they also have the environment around them where they just brainlessly take selfies and post on snap. Actually my financial point was stupid, because it doesnt even matter. The reason why i believe aoc should be 18 is for the most part, the surrounding environments of both parties start to become similar as they both move towards a life of self responsibility

a 25 year old man is always superior to an 18 year old then from a mental standpoint

 

[Dutcher]

Tales from Epsteins island

 

[Deleted member 275]

U have a point about the money ig, but my point about the mental dominance stands, a 23 year old man is almost always mentally superior to a 16 year old woman in almost every case. Not even talking intelligence only, but the life experience as i mentioned, and surrounding environment. As you said the teen girls are padded by their parents and they also have the environment around them where they just brainlessly take selfies and post on snap. Actually my financial point was stupid, because it doesnt even matter. The reason why i believe aoc should be 18 is for the most part, the surrounding environments of both parties start to become similar as they both move towards a life of self responsibility

Personally I was a 23 year old kissless virgin, my first girlfriend then was a 18year old girl with 3 past boyfriends and 4 additional sexual partners. n-count of 7

She life-experience mogged me to oblivion, especially in sexual/social dynamics, but everywhere else aswell. Being smarter/better-educated than her meant absolutely nothing in a practical life sense. It's irrelevant.

Age is a terrible metric to base 'mental development' on when it's completely normal for guys to be virgins well into their 20s while girls are fucking around at age 13 already.

You can not compare female and male age or speed of development. The huge privilege that being female gives you in life gives you much more opportunity to develop, especially in your teens and early adulthood.

I know girls that have travelled the world and been to exclusive parties non stop in their late teens-early twenties, because they were female and somewhat attractive.

Equivalent life experiences aren't obtainable for the average guy untill your early thirties and after having put in a shitton of work to get the money,status and connections required.

Most women hold mental dominance over their male partners.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

a 25 year old man is always superior to an 18 year old then from a mental standpoint

I feel like life development goes in an asymptote, a 16 year old is farther away from an 18 year old than an 18 year old from 25 year old

She life-experience mogged me to oblivion, especially in sexual/social dynamics, but everywhere else aswell. Being smarter/better-educated than her meant absolutely nothing in a practical life sense. It's irrelevant.

I dont believe a female could ever be dominant over a male in a relationship imo. I feel that simply being a male will always make you more mature in a way because the environment you grow up forces you to play rough and get your hands dirty meanwhile girls are protected all their lives. Its why people dont take female pedos nearly as seriously as male ones. Unlike males, females NEED that experience to get out of the comfort of their parents home, get out into the workforce, pay for shit, etc. because they were raised as spoiled protected brats their entire lives.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

I feel like life development goes in an asymptote, a 16 year old is farther away from an 18 year old than an 18 year old from 25 year old

just
fucking
lol

 

[Deleted member 275]

I feel like life development goes in an asymptote, a 16 year old is farther away from an 18 year old than an 18 year old from 25 year old


I dont believe a female could ever be dominant over a male in a relationship imo. I feel that simply being a male will always make you more mature in a way because the environment you grow up forces you to play rough and get your hands dirty meanwhile girls are protected all their lives. Its why people dont take female pedos nearly as seriously as male ones. Unlike males, females NEED that experience to get out of the comfort of their parents home, get out into the workforce, pay for shit, etc. because they were raised as spoiled protected brats their entire lives.

Most relationships in the netherlands, the woman is 'in charge' and the guy mostly follows and does what she says. If she doesn't want him to visit his friends anymore, he listens. She decides what he spends his money on, what hobbies he is allowed to have, and so on.

Men are sex/validation/affection-starved, while women are not. Most men don't have social support networks, while most women do.
That gives women a huge advantage in most relationships: They can always leave and replace the man they were with. While most men cannot.

In the case of divorce: the woman has the courts by her side and the men is taken to the cleaners. In the case of relationship abuse, the women will always have society by her side.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

I dont believe a female could ever be dominant over a male in a relationship imo.

also just fucking lol again. man you really are just completely stupid.

@Syobevoli are you seeing this shit?

I feel like life development goes in an asymptote, a 16 year old is farther away from an 18 year old than an 18 year old from 25 year old

this shit is beyond retarded. at this point i'm convinced you're another infiltrator

 

[Deleted member 275]

also just fucking lol again. man you really are just completely stupid.

@Syobevoli are you seeing this shit?

this shit is beyond retarded. at this point i'm convinced you're another infiltrator

It's just another one of those 'women can do no wrong, because men hold all the power+responsibility. We live in a patriarchy' types.

not really suprised, many ppl hold such beliefs.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

also just fucking lol again. man you really are just completely stupid.

Taking my words at face value a bit too much, read into it a bit more

Men are sex/validation/affection-starved, while women are not.

Most men don't have social support networks, while most women do.

All the more proving my point. Men have it harder, thats my entire point my guy. And because of that, men are more mature by nature, because theyve had it rougher. Women usually only start having their first experience of struggle once theyre adults.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

All the more proving my point. Men have it harder, thats my entire point my guy. And because of that, men are more mature by nature, because theyve had it rougher. Women usually only start having their first experience of struggle once theyre adults.

power and maturity are not the same thing.

 

[Deleted member 275]

All the more proving my point. Men have it harder, thats my entire point my guy. And because of that, men are more mature by nature, because theyve had it rougher. Women usually only start having their first experience of struggle once theyre adults.

Would you say that a woman that never worked a day in her life is mentally dominated by a poor guy that works a minimum wage job? Because this guy is more 'mature and experienced due to having experience more hardships'?

It's stupid. Anyways we will never agree on this. You say that women don't experience struggles, yet you want to 'protect' them even more by jailing young men trying to explore their sexuality and living their lives. Therefore leading to a situation in which women have life even easier and struggle even less.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Would you say that a woman that never worked a day in her life is mentally dominated by a poor guy that works a minimum wage job? Because this guy is more 'mature and experienced due to having experience more hardships'?

It's stupid. Anyways we will never agree on this. You say that women don't experience struggles, yet you want to 'protect' them even more by jailing young men trying to explore their sexuality and living their lives. Therefore leading to a situation in which women have life even easier and struggle even less.

Do you understand what i mean by mental domination? I mean maturity. And its crucial to have at least a level of maturity on both parties. Third world countries have younger age of consent because they go through more hardships, which is synonymous with maturing younger. The entire argument around age of consent that people base it upon is maturity level, and im presenting why women are completely immature until theyre adults.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Do you understand what i mean by mental domination? I mean maturity. And its crucial to have at least a level of maturity on both parties.

No I don't at all. When a man and a woman are in a relationship, and 1 has more options than the other, she/he holds mental power, mental domination, over the other party.
That is the case in most relationships, because both parties know that the woman has this power while the male doesnt.

This is regardless of maturity. One could argue that young women don't truly know about their value and sexual power yet, due to a lack of experience. This is why 'just be first' is a good strategy for men to take: Go for women that don't know their female privilege yet, because they are still young and inexperienced.

But once women have socialmedia/OLD and are bombarded with validation, they quickly become mentally dominant over the men their age. If they didn't already.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

No I don't at all. When a man and a woman are in a relationship, and 1 has more options than the other, she/he holds mental power, mental domination, over the other party.
That is the case in most relationships, because both parties know that the woman has this power while the male doesnt.

Thats exactly why im not talking about the mental power that youre talking about, im simply saying maturity jfl.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Thats exactly why im not talking about the mental power that youre talking about, im simply saying maturity jfl.

you're just being a white knight, saying a man can never be exploited by a woman.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

I feel like life development goes in an asymptote, a 16 year old is farther away from an 18 year old than an 18 year old from 25 year old

another retarded point in your logic is that if a woman turns 18, the day she turns 18 she is free game, yet she's probably still in high school. so how is she suddenly mature, because of some chronological date?

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

No I don't at all. When a man and a woman are in a relationship, and 1 has more options than the other, she/he holds mental power, mental domination, over the other party.
That is the case in most relationships, because both parties know that the woman has this power while the male doesnt.

This is regardless of maturity. One could argue that young women don't truly know about their value and sexual power yet, due to a lack of experience. This is why 'just be first' is a good strategy for men to take: Go for women that don't know their female privilege yet, because they are still young and inexperienced.

But once women have socialmedia/OLD and are bombarded with validation, they quickly become mentally dominant over the men their age. If they didn't already.

Holy fuck you are retarded. The entire point of age of consent is to coincide with maturity level. Maturity level coincides with experiencing struggles. Thats why blacks msture faster than other races in america because theyre raised in the hood and more struggles. Most women in the west dont experience their first struggle until they are adults. I dont give a fuck about inceldom or whatever, i give a fuck about facts, and the fact of the matter is is that to have a functional relationship, both parties need a level of maturity. This is why a lot of rich people with spoiled upbringings are considered to be manbabies, because theyre mentally like children. I dont give a fuck about your feelings of hypergamy lmao, most of that shit is fake anyways u just need to be nt and not too bad looking, but thats another topic. I think im done here

 

[Deleted member 275]

Holy fuck you are retarded. The entire point of age of consent is to coincide with maturity level. Maturity level coincides with experiencing struggles. Thats why blacks msture faster than other races in america because theyre raised in the hood and more struggles. Most women in the west dont experience their first struggle until they are adults. I dont give a fuck about inceldom or whatever, i give a fuck about facts, and the fact of the matter is is that to have a functional relationship, both parties need a level of maturity. This is why a lot of rich people with spoiled upbringings are considered to be manbabies, because theyre mentally like children. I dont give a fuck about your feelings of hypergamy lmao, most of that shit is fake anyways u just need to be nt and not too bad looking, but thats another topic. I think im done here

You talk about age being key to judge 'level of maturity', but then start talking about differences in lifestyle and how blacks in the hood are far more mature than spoiled rich ppl.

k buddy. Maybe stick to 1 story because you are literally argueing against age of consent right yourself here.

bye bye

 

[Deleted member 7866]

Do you understand what i mean by mental domination? I mean maturity. And its crucial to have at least a level of maturity on both parties. Third world countries have younger age of consent because they go through more hardships, which is synonymous with maturing younger. The entire argument around age of consent that people base it upon is maturity level, and im presenting why women are completely immature until theyre adults.

i want my girl to be mature? hell no. she will fucking whore around and be a bitch, unless you're chad

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

You talk about age being key to judge 'level of maturity', but then start talking about differences in lifestyle and how blacks in the hood are far more mature than spoiled rich ppl.

k buddy. Maybe stick to 1 story because you are literally argueing against age of consent right yourself here.

bye bye

I evolved my argument as i went along, and i used those as examples of maturity= struggle dumbass but both are still extremities. The main thing to take away is that throughout the entire genders, men struggle more than women, and hence aoc should be 18 and i stand by it

 

[Deleted member 4612]

I evolved my argument as i went along, and i used those as examples dumbass but both are still extremities. Aoc should be 18 and i stand by it

you avoided several of my points above.

power and maturity are not the same thing.

another retarded point in your logic is that if a woman turns 18, the day she turns 18 she is free game, yet she's probably still in high school. so how is she suddenly mature, because of some chronological date?

address those plz

 

[Deleted member 7866]

I evolved my argument as i went along, and i used those as examples dumbass but both are still extremities. Aoc should be 18 and i stand by it

you r literally me a few months ago

think about it. without being a moralphagg0t, what are the logical arguments against the aoc being lowered.

 

[wristcel]

Not sure what you mean by that, but I made it clear what I mean in any case. Money is never free and comes from somewhere at some human cost.


So a 23 year old that hasn't finished college and lives in poverty, minimum wage. It would be more moral, according to you, for him to be with a 16yo than a 23yo male that has rich parents or has a good job? Since the first 23 year old guy has no financial dominance and is probably worse off than the 16yo girl?


So you are saying that 23 year old incels don't really exist? Since a 23yo male, with his life experience, could easily dominate a 16 year old girl to have sex with him and do whatever he pleases.

For example this 23 year old guy, he could easily manipulate 16 year old girls to have sex with him, so it would be immoral for him to do so.

He has complete and utter dominance over her. A girl like this 16 year old for example:

His social skills and manipulation techniques, learned over the years, would put the girl at his mercy?

lol @ people who think some olders guys life experience means he can 'manipulate' hot teens to bang him

 

[Deleted member 7866]

you r literally me a few months ago

think about it. without being a moralphagg0t, what are the logical arguments against the aoc being lowered.

i, personally, am not attracted to younger girls, they're too flat. i prefer adult and developed women

but there's simply no arguments against it

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

you avoided several of my points above.



address those plz

Power is irrelevant, power differences will always exist and very unique from relationship to relationship. Whereas men will always be more mature than women

As for the age of consent thing its just a thing to generalize adulthood, small exceptions will exist but overall its not a problem

think about it. without being a moralphagg0t, what are the logical arguments against the aoc being lowered.

Right here:

The entire point of age of consent is to coincide with maturity level. Maturity level coincides with experiencing struggles. Thats why blacks msture faster than other races in america because theyre raised in the hood and more struggles. Most women in the west dont experience their first struggle until they are adults. I dont give a fuck about inceldom or whatever, i give a fuck about facts, and the fact of the matter is is that to have a functional relationship, both parties need a level of maturity. This is why a lot of rich people with spoiled upbringings are considered to be manbabies, because theyre mentally like children.

And

The main thing to take away is that throughout the entire genders, men struggle more than women

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Power is irrelevant, power differences will always exist and very unique from relationship to relationship. Whereas men will always be more mature than women

As for the age of consent thing its just a thing to generalize adulthood, small exceptions will exist but overall its not a problem


Right here:


And

so tell me, why should it be illegal for a woman who is 21 to date a young man who is 17? because clearly you don't think a woman can ever be more mature than a man

 

[Deleted member 7866]

Power is irrelevant, power differences will always exist and very unique from relationship to relationship. Whereas men will always be more mature than women

As for the age of consent thing its just a thing to generalize adulthood, small exceptions will exist but overall its not a problem


Right here:


And

why does it matter if they're mature?

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

why does it matter if they're mature?

Harmonious relationship

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

so tell me, why should it be illegal for a woman who is 21 to date a young man who is 17? because clearly you don't think a woman can ever be more mature than a man

Yeah funny thing i think that should be allowed lol, but the woman from the older party shouldnt be allowed to manipulate him, but it would be hard to put it into law

 

[Deleted member 7866]

Harmonious relationship

how will the maturity of the parties effect the harmony of the relationship? in fact, a more immature woman will probably be more submissive and less whiny

and even why does it matter if the relationship is harmonious

 

[Deleted member 4612]

so tell me, why should it be illegal for a woman who is 21 to date a young man who is 17? because clearly you don't think a woman can ever be more mature than a man

Yeah funny thing i think that should be allowed lol, but the woman from the older party shouldnt be allowed to manipulate him, but it would be hard to put it into law

wow, just wow. im caging right now

you have literally went full blown feminist. @Syobevoli @alexjones @Proex @MoeZart

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

wow, just wow. im caging right now

you have literally went full blown feminist. @Syobevoli @alexjones @Proex @MoeZart

Keep crying tbh, every kid wants to fuck the hot teacher, no one takes it seriously be real with urself

 

[Deleted member 6400]

wow, just wow. im caging right now

you have literally went full blown feminist. @Syobevoli @alexjones @Proex @MoeZart

that's straightaway societal moral brainwash tbh

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Keep crying tbh, every kid wants to fuck the hot teacher, no one takes it seriously be real with urself

they dont take it seriously because soyciety is cucked and says women can never do any wrong.

 

[Deleted member 7866]

how will the maturity of the parties effect the harmony of the relationship? in fact, a more immature woman will probably be more submissive and less whiny

and even why does it matter if the relationship is harmonious

@TheEndHasNoEnd

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

how will the maturity of the parties effect the harmony of the relationship? in fact, a more immature woman will probably be more submissive and less whiny

and even why does it matter if the relationship is harmonious

Well..
Im mostly going by how i see other countries establish aoc and how the younger ages of consent tend to be third world countries. I guess the end goal is a better functioning society if both parties in the relationship can understand each other well

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

they dont take it seriously because soyciety is cucked and says women can never do any wrong.

No its because most men are decent t unlike pedocuck like u

 

[Deleted member 4612]

No its because most men are decent t unlike pedocuck like u

bullshit. most men find high school chicks hot, thats just a fact.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

bullshit. most men find high school chicks hot, thats just a fact.

Most men find hot women hot

 

[Deleted member 275]

Yeah funny thing i think that should be allowed lol, but the woman from the older party shouldnt be allowed to manipulate him, but it would be hard to put it into law

So you are saying that women can never be more mature than men. This whole age discussion becomes irrelevant then.

Would you agree that we should take away the right to vote from women considering they never grow up and men are always more mature?
Seems like a logical conclusion to this discussion.

 

[Deleted member 7866]

Keep crying tbh, every kid wants to fuck the hot teacher, no one takes it seriously be real with urself

True ngl, but so do girls

Well..
Im mostly going by how i see other countries establish aoc and how the younger ages of consent tend to be third world countries. I guess the end goal is a better functioning society if both parties in the relationship can understand each other well

Honestly I think the end goal should be the pleasure of the man, because women are complicated - their pain and humiliation is a pleasure to them. The AOC was not this high for most of human history tbh.

I'll explain why mostly first world countries have higher AOC. Most first world countries are white and whites develop sexually later than other races. Also, these first world countries have wealth, and with nothing to do, feminist movements, communist movements, and other rich white woman shit pops up. This movement tends to push for higher AOC. Also, on the other end of the spectrum, there are Stormfront movements of moralphagg0ts and tradwhores created by white incels. These also tend to push for higher AOC, to prove "we care for muh white womens more than the commies". Pedophilia is accused upon both sides, it becomes a hated crime, etc etc. There is nothing biologically wrong with attraction to teen girls, it's a preference.

 

[Deleted member 7866]

True ngl, but so do girls

Honestly I think the end goal should be the pleasure of the man, because women are complicated - their pain and humiliation is a pleasure to them. The AOC was not this high for most of human history tbh.

I'll explain why mostly first world countries have higher AOC. Most first world countries are white and whites develop sexually later than other races. Also, these first world countries have wealth, and with nothing to do, feminist movements, communist movements, and other rich white woman shit pops up. This movement tends to push for higher AOC. Also, on the other end of the spectrum, there are Stormfront movements of moralphagg0ts and tradwhores created by white incels. These also tend to push for higher AOC, to prove "we care for muh white womens more than the commies". Pedophilia is accused upon both sides, it becomes a hated crime, etc etc.

Apologies for the essay tbh, my point is hard to explain without it.

@TheEndHasNoEnd

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

So you are saying that women can never be more mature than men. This whole age discussion becomes irrelevant then.

No because usually when women are adults they also enter the workforce and thus earn their first taste of struggle ie maturity

Would you agree that we should take away the right to vote from women considering they never grow up and men are always more mature?

Well women tend to catch up to complete maturity prob by mid 30s-early 40s, so they should be allowed to vote by then
I say this because rhats when the demographic becomes mroe conservative leaning

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

True ngl, but so do girls

Honestly I think the end goal should be the pleasure of the man, because women are complicated - their pain and humiliation is a pleasure to them. The AOC was not this high for most of human history tbh.

I'll explain why mostly first world countries have higher AOC. Most first world countries are white and whites develop sexually later than other races. Also, these first world countries have wealth, and with nothing to do, feminist movements, communist movements, and other rich white woman shit pops up. This movement tends to push for higher AOC. Also, on the other end of the spectrum, there are Stormfront movements of moralphagg0ts and tradwhores created by white incels. These also tend to push for higher AOC, to prove "we care for muh white womens more than the commies". Pedophilia is accused upon both sides, it becomes a hated crime, etc etc. There is nothing biologically wrong with attraction to teen girls, it's a preference.

Yeah i never said there was anything wrong with attraction to teen girls. And about your first point, it would be really hard to do so without transforming all of society, because of the points you just said. I am just providing what i think is the best solution for the current situation

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Apologies for the essay tbh, my point is hard to explain without it.

@TheEndHasNoEnd

It frustrates me when people just start to throw out buzzwords at me like feminist or whatever and they completely (intentionally) misread my arguements because of their emotions. If relationships were "official" like marriage then i would put aoc on that rather than sex, but theyre not.

 

[Deleted member 7866]

It frustrates me when people just start to throw out buzzwords at me like feminist or whatever and they completely (intentionally) misread my arguements because of their emotions. If relationships were "official" like marriage then i would put aoc on that rather than sex, but theyre not.

Imo I had a similar opinion to you on this a month or two ago. Just consider from a blackpilled standpoint, what's wrong with it? Logically?

Yeah i never said there was anything wrong with attraction to teen girls. And about your first point, it would be really hard to do so without transforming all of society, because of the points you just said. I am just providing what i think is the best solution for the current situation

I'm not personally very attracted to teen girls but I don't think it's bad to be attracted tbh

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Imo I had a similar opinion to you on this a month or two ago. Just consider from a blackpilled standpoint, what's wrong with it? Logically?

Whats wrong with what

I'm not personally very attracted to teen girls but I don't think it's bad to be attracted tbh

Im attracted to anyone hot idgaf, i have a preference for youthful faces but mature bodies