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[SecularIslamist]

and fucking lil faggot still talking to me while u couldn't even give 1 proof of ur religion lmao just stfu u think someone gaf abt kalam or sum random bs, why are u so fucking ashamed of ur religion can't even defend it and give 1 single proof, and u said u read ibn Taymiyyah's works so u would atleast one of the thousand proofs that prove muhammad is a prophet or u just want to talk abt irrelevant shit?

I haven't read his works I've read about him. A lot of his works aren't even translated into English yet.

Btw I can tell English isn't your first language so by the logic you literally can't have a first rate education in the world today

 

[Darktriad16]

Is using a microphone at a mosque haram? That is also bid'ah.

what a fucking retard this ijtihad and not bidaa, bidaa is like enventing a douaa or sum prayer and giving it a name or sum bs, u literally talk like a 10 year old

Yes is that within the realm of fiqh or aqeedah. You conflate the two because you didnt know the difference..now you extended the point beyond our original talking point


Did the salaf come across greek thought? No. Kalam only appeared after translation of ancient Greeks.

u are saying kalam is how we study aqeedah which is fucking retarded and false aqeedah is just islamic philosophy that talked abt aqeedah and especially knowing and understanding god, and yeah that's what i thought, taking information from Wikipedia , while I've sent u a link to islam web I'll resend it and u will ignore it because u don't like what they say lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamweb.net/amp/ar/fatwa/279490/

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You didn't know what fiqh is (which you've admitted) and now you don't know what kalam (or islamic philosophy) is. Just gtdi

what a dumb fuck I've sent u the link to islamweb read and stfu

So almost all Sunni Muslims follow directives by scholars who are not Muslim. Okay stfu. Like I said you're just a brain-dead retard who was probably fucked in the ass and traumatised by some Salafi teacher.

lmfao I've told u that i don't say people in other school of thought are kuffar u just wanna say that cuz ur a retard, they are misguided that's it, and ur so fucking dumb that u can't talk abt the ideas so u say the dumb "u became an apostate becaue a faqih raped u"

Hahahhaha so you did want to argue this point? "I know Arabic muh muh therefore everything I say is true "

didn't even talk abt myself i talked abt u and that u are retard and not being able to talk arabic rules u out as someone eligible to debate scripture things

 

[Darktriad16]

I haven't read his works I've read about him. A lot of his works aren't even translated into English yet.

Btw I can tell English isn't your first language so by the logic you literally can't have a first rate education in the world today

nigga i speak 4 languages ur just a fucking dumb retard, and thank god that my first language isn't english because i would've been a retard like u are, and i can go study in English lmfao, a pajeet talking abt english smh and instead of answering my easy question u just ignore it, nigga just stfu and gtfo my dick if ur not gonna give proof for ur religion ur just dumb asf, talking abt shit u don't understand, so stop responding if ur not gonna give proof for ur religion i ain't got time to chit chat with a retard

 

[SecularIslamist]

what a fucking retard this ijtihad and not bidaa, bidaa is like enventing a douaa or sum prayer and giving it a name or sum bs, u literally talk like a 10 year old

Exactly you dumbfuck. That's an example of bid'ah hasana - although in common parlance no one would say it's bid'ah.

u are saying kalam is how we study aqeedah which is fucking retarded and false aqeedah is just islamic philosophy that talked abt aqeedah and especially knowing and understanding god, and yeah that's what i thought, taking information from Wikipedia , while I've sent u a link to islam web I'll resend it and u will ignore it because u don't like what they say lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamweb.net/amp/ar/fatwa/279490/

Wtf does the opinion of some Salafi prove? Many Muslims engage in kalam and many takfir them. Al ghazali takfired those who engaged in philosophy like Ibn sina.

what a dumb fuck I've sent u the link to islamweb read and stfu

Some Salafi scholar says kalam is shirk. That's not news nigga.

lmfao I've told u that i don't say people in other school of thought are kuffar u just wanna say that cuz ur a retard, they are misguided that's it, and ur so fucking dumb that u can't talk abt the ideas so u say the dumb "u became an apostate becaue a faqih raped u"

didn't even talk abt myself i talked abt u and that u are retard and not being able to talk arabic rules u out as someone eligible to debate scripture things

You didn't even know the difference between fiqh and kalam. If you didn't know this (which you admit) then you don't even have an ELEMENTARY understanding of Islam. But keep barking "I know Arabic so I know more than you "

You have a lot in common with Muslim low IQs yourself.

 

[Darktriad16]

Exactly you dumbfuck. That's an example of bid'ah hasana - although in common parlance no one would say it's bid'ah.

because it's not a fucking bidaa are u retarded a bidaa is something that has to do with islamic doctrine and ideas not this bs, are u this dumb?

Wtf does the opinion of some Salafi prove? Many Muslims engage in kalam and many takfir them. Al ghazali takfired those who engaged in philosophy like Ibn sina.

Some Salafi scholar says kalam is shirk. That's not news nigga.

which is debatable and they would fuck ur ass in a debste abt this lol

You didn't even know the difference between fiqh and kalam. If you didn't know this (which you admit) then you don't even have an ELEMENTARY understanding of Islam. But keep barking "I know Arabic so I know more than you "

u talking abt kalam as a part of islam is just laughable and shows how ignorant u are and tat u had 0 islamic studies just hearing things and thinking u understand everything, I was wrong abt fiqh being general because i mixed up the istilah definition and the common definition, and for u fiqh absolutely nothing u just hear it and remember it as law, meanwhile i use it as an everyday term so it's easier to get mixed up with the common talking definition, and u a fucking retard still talking abt kalam as a part of islamic doctrine even after i proved u wrong and sent u the fatwa from islamweb

You have a lot in common with Muslim low IQs yourself.

I'm just sorry for u, u think ur high iq while ur literally retarded and know nothing abt islam just random denominations and think ur the shit while lacking the real knowledge abt real islam which is how to understand the texts and interpretate them, it's easy to talk shit but hard to be up to it, ur talking a lot while shitting ur pants when i asked u a simple question, 1 single fucking prood, just 1.

 

[SecularIslamist]

because it's not a fucking bidaa are u retarded a bidaa is something that has to do with islamic doctrine and ideas not this bs, are u this dumb?

which is debatable and they would fuck ur ass in a debste abt this lol

So kalam is not bid'ah either. Yeah Salafists would disagree that's another entire point of discussion

u talking abt kalam as a part of islam is just laughable and shows how ignorant u are and tat u had 0 islamic studies just hearing things and thinking u understand everything, I was wrong abt fiqh being general because i mixed up the istilah definition and the common definition, and for u fiqh absolutely nothing u just hear it and remember it as law, meanwhile i use it as an everyday term so it's easier to get mixed up with the common talking definition, and u a fucking retard still talking abt kalam as a part of islamic doctrine even after i proved u wrong and sent u the fatwa from islamweb

This is why kalam is prohibited for low IQs. You can't even understand the fucking basics and what pathetic understanding you do have you've left Islam. Even guys like Ibn Taymiyyah studied kalam - even if it was to refute it.

I'm just sorry for u, u think ur high iq while ur literally retarded and know nothing abt islam just random denominations and think ur the shit while lacking the real knowledge abt real islam which is how to understand the texts and interpretate them, it's easy to talk shit but hard to be up to it, ur talking a lot while shitting ur pants when i asked u a simple question, 1 single fucking prood, just 1.

1 proof of what? I fucking told you for the 10th time I'm not trying to make you come back to Islam. Just fucking pointing out you don't have a BASIC understanding of anything related to Islam.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

and not being able to talk arabic rules u out as someone eligible to debate scripture things

It is critical to understand this!!! You need to understand Arabic in order to understand Islam. Cuck faggots like @SecularIslamist still think this is Gods way of preserving the faith lmao. Dumb bastards have been brainwashed into adopting an Arab supremacist ideology and the retard thinks it’s the word of God bahahahahaha.

What dumbass god holds such a huge barrier to entry for understanding his word, except for a fake sand monkey god like Allah?

IDIOTS. May you have everlasting shame if you are a non-Arab muslim and still accepting your subjugation by means of “faith”.

 

[SecularIslamist]

It is critical to understand this!!! You need to understand Arabic in order to understand Islam. Cuck faggots like @SecularIslamist still think this is Gods way of preserving the faith lmao. Dumb bastards have been brainwashed into adopting an Arab supremacist ideology and the retard thinks it’s the word of God bahahahahaha.

What dumbass god holds such a huge barrier to entry for understanding his word, except for a fake sand monkey god like Allah?

IDIOTS. May you have everlasting shame if you are a non-Arab muslim and still accepting your subjugation by means of “faith”.

I'm not claiming to be an expert. You dont have to understand Arabic to practice Islam retard! To have a scholastic understanding of it yes. I would also expand it to also knowing Persian.

You think every Jew knows Hebrew? Many born and raised in the West don't. And because they don't they have become secularised to the point of becoming atheist.

 

[UrGirlsMcm]

The Last Hour is near

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “A time will come upon people in which they will consume usury.” It was said, “All of the people?”. The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, “Whoever does not consume it will be affected by its dust.”

The Prophet (ﷺ) told us that one of the signs of the Hour is that, “Familial links will be cut.”

The Prophet (ﷺ) told us that one of the signs of the Hour is, “Business will become so widespread and extensive that even the wife will begin to assist her husband in it [i.e. in amassing wealth].”

The Prophet said that one of the signs of the Hour would be “the increase of wealth to such an extent that even if one is given one hundred Dinars”. 100 Dinars is roughly the equivalent of 3,300 USD.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house of mud or [even] fur except that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief”

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The Hour shall not be established until tribes of my Ummah unite with the idolaters, and until they worship idols.”

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “People from my nation (i.e. the Muslims) will certainly consume alcohol, calling it by another name.”

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.”

Prophet ﷺ said, “Once my nation considers five things permissible, then destruction will befall them: when cursing one another appears, wine is drunk, silk is worn [by men], musical instruments are played, and men suffice themselves with men and women suffice themselves with
women.”

It was narrated that the Prophet said: “The Hour will not be established until you see the barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in making tall buildings.


Abu Dharr reported the Prophet (ﷺ) as saying: “You will soon conquer Egypt... So when you conquer it, treat its inhabitants well, for they have a right of kinship upon you.

Someone asked the Prophet (ﷺ), “Which city will be conquered first, Constantinople or Rome?”, and the Prophet (ﷺ) replied, “The city of Heraclius will be liberated first.”, meaning Constantinople

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a lizard, you would follow them." The companions said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Who else?"

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “The Last Hour will not come until people compete with one another about mosques.” and Ibn Abbas said about this prophecy, “You will adorn your mosques like the Jews and Christians did.”.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “The best of my nation is the generation among whom I was sent, then those who follow them, then there shall appear people who testify while their testimony was not sought, who are treacherous, not trusted, and fatness shall spread among them."

Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas reported that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: “How would you be, O people, when Persia and the Byzantines would be conquered for you?” `Abd ar-Rahman ibn Auf said, “We would say as Allah has commanded us and we would express our gratitude to Allah.”. The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, “Nothing else besides it? You would (in fact) compete with one another, then you would feel jealous, then your relations would be estranged and then you will bear enmity against one another. Then you would go to the poor emigrants and would make some the masters of the others.”

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “A time will come when people will not care where they earned their money from; whether by lawful means or unlawful means.”

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Some of the signs of the Hour is that a man will pass through a mosque without praying two rak’ahs and that he will only greet those he knows.”

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah upon him, said: ‘There will be in the end of time charlatan liars coming to you with narrations (hadiths) that you nor your fathers heard, so beware of them lest they misguide you and cause you tribulations’.

These are so vague JFL at calling these predictions.

 

[Rabbi]

Christians and "secularists" in the West have no backbone.

Islamic takeover is imminent

 

[mayo mogger]

holy shit page 5-6 is just retardation

 

[mayo mogger]

Nobody was talking to you, pajeet!

mod ramblings

 

[SecularIslamist]

holy shit page 5-6 is just retardation

Because of two retards:

1. @Michael Myers whose definition of self-hating is contradictory and says its self hate to say Id like to LTR MENAs over curries since they're more attractive.

2. @Darktriad16 even more pathetic - comes into the thread thinking hes a renowned scholar on Islam because he speaks Arabic. Turns out he lacks even an elementary understanding.

You take these two retards out the thread it would have been >20 replies.

 

[human304]

meanwhile menas

1. @

@Michael Myers whose definition of self-hating is contradictory and says its self hate to say Id like to LTR MENAs over curries since they're more attractive.

 

[human304]

@SecularIslamist , hi bruh

 

[SecularIslamist]

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@SecularIslamist , hi bruh

What's he nationality? Paki I'm guessing or Indian?

 

[Darktriad16]

So kalam is not bid'ah either. Yeah Salafists would disagree that's another entire point of discussion

This is why kalam is prohibited for low IQs. You can't even understand the fucking basics and what pathetic understanding you do have you've left Islam. Even guys like Ibn Taymiyyah studied kalam - even if it was to refute it.

what a fucking retarded argument , if ibn Taymiyyah stydied kalam does that mean kalam is worthwasting ur time with? ibn Taymiyyah studied Christianity too should i be an expert in that too? and this just shows how low iq u are ur arguments are literally the level of 10 year old, 0 logic and 0 critical thinking, and u commit sum of the dumbest logical fallacies ever.
and if u know kalam, u should prove ur religion with it and not just talk shit. and u don't know shit abt what ur talking, saying kalam is how we study the aqeedah shows that u never had islamic studies and just learned sum words and ur now vomiting them thinking u said smtg.

1 proof of what? I fucking told you for the 10th time I'm not trying to make you come back to Islam. Just fucking pointing out you don't have a BASIC understanding of anything related to Islam.

i don't want u to bring me to islam, bring 1 proof that ur religion is true if u r more knowledgeable than me, just 1 why are u so retarded

 

[SecularIslamist]

what a fucking retarded argument , if ibn Taymiyyah stydied kalam does that mean kalam is worthwasting ur time with? ibn Taymiyyah studied Christianity too should i be an expert in that too? and this just shows how low iq u are ur arguments are literally the level of 10 year old, 0 logic and 0 critical thinking, and u commit sum of the dumbest logical fallacies ever.
and if u know kalam, u should prove ur religion with it and not just talk shit. and u don't know shit abt what ur talking, saying kalam is how we study the aqeedah shows that u never had islamic studies and just learned sum words and ur now vomiting them thinking u said smtg.

What did Ibn Taymiyyah say about the role of reason? Since I'm so ignorant please spell it out for me. Let's see who knows what they're talking about.

i don't want u to bring me to islam, bring 1 proof that ur religion is true if u r more knowledgeable than me, just 1 why are u so retarded

This conversation is not about proving anything you dumb fuck retard. Do you even understand English? I can't even explain the basics definition of terms you're fucking assuming I'm trying to prove Islam JFL. Just kys.

 

[Rigged]

That fake 0 block pic… also atheism is the only thing sadly growing in the west jfl

 

[Darktriad16]

What did Ibn Taymiyyah say about the role of reason? Since I'm so ignorant please spell it out for me. Let's see who knows what they're talking about.

translate and read u fucking retard.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamweb.net/amp/ar/fatwa/195711/

This conversation is not about proving anything you dumb fuck retard. Do you even understand English? I can't even explain the basics definition of terms you're fucking assuming I'm trying to prove Islam JFL. Just kys.

are u dumb? or u are just trying at all cost to answer my simple question?? i know u didn't talk abt proving islam, i asked u that, this is how we will see who's the ignorant one.
so I'll ask u again, and don't respond if ur not gonna answer and just run away as always; give me 1 proof of islam, and this is how we will see who is the retarded one and who's the dumb one and all the rubish u were saying ect..... if u don't answer u just proved to everyone how retarded u are

 

[Orvka381]

With news like this it is no surprise Islam increasing in population is a frightening sight for people who hate Islam.

 

[Darktriad16]

What did Ibn Taymiyyah say about the role of reason? Since I'm so ignorant please spell it out for me. Let's see who knows what they're talking about.

This conversation is not about proving anything you dumb fuck retard. Do you even understand English? I can't even explain the basics definition of terms you're fucking assuming I'm trying to prove Islam JFL. Just kys.

and here's another link u fucking retrad:

https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/280561/why-some-scholars-studied-kalaam-theology-though-prohibited-by-the-salaf?proximity=25&stopwords=&root=0&searchExact=0&searchText=ibn+Taymiyyah+logic&searchType=4&searchKey=202649

from this link:
Ash-Shaafi‘i who said: "My judgment concerning Kalaam theologians is that they should be taken around the community and beaten with palm branches and slippers and it will be said to them: this is the punishment for leaving the Words of Allaah and the words of the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam."

this how ignorant u are, nigga said kalam is a part of islam. someone who actually studied real orthodox islam would spit on ur face u cuck faggot.

 

[Fiqh]

https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/280561/why-some-scholars-studied-kalaam-theology-though-prohibited-by-the-salaf?proximity=25&stopwords=&root=0&searchExact=0&searchText=ibn+Taymiyyah+logic&searchType=4&searchKey=202649

from this link:
Ash-Shaafi‘i who said: "My judgment concerning Kalaam theologians is that they should be taken around the community and beaten with palm branches and slippers and it will be said to them: this is the punishment for leaving the Words of Allaah and the words of the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam."

this how ignorant u are, nigga said kalam is a part of islam. someone who actually studied real orthodox islam would spit on ur face u cuck faggot.

Yeah ilm al-kalaam is considered impermissible by ijma'

 

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Yeah ilm al-kalaam is considered impermissible by ijma'

Nigga u replied to the wrong person

 

[Fiqh]

Nigga u replied to the wrong person

Nah I'm agreeing w u

 

[Rigged]

Nah I'm agreeing w u

No ur replying to the wrong person all i said is “that oblock pic is fake”, u replied to my name but to someone elses text

 

[Fiqh]

No ur replying to the wrong person all i said is “that oblock pic is fake”, u replied to my name but to someone elses text

my bad