Alhamdulillah - Islam spreading in the West ☝️

[Gengar]

This is such cope lol. Whats the problem with being "muh self-hating". How is it "self hating" to objectively view lightskin/whiteskin and sharp facial features/structure as the universal ideal standard of beauty? IT LITERALLY IS LMAO? Lol in curryland only the most mena passing/ med passing curries are seen as the most attractive and are frequently made into bollywood actors, and whatever film industry pakistan has. All he said is that finding a med-passing/mena-passing curry is extremely hard (it is lol) and therefore its much more easier to just go after mena women and spare yourself from the retarded the lifelong search. Im sorry do you even know where you are? This is suppose to be a blackpilled looksmaxxing website, if he is trying to "upgrade" his genes by getting with a MENA woman, what is the problem with that lol. That shit is literally blackpilled asf. You should be admiring him lol.

T. Self-hating pajeet.

 

[SecularIslamist]

T. Self-hating pajeet.

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you become deluded and go for the ugliest mfers just because of their race.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

 

[Gengar]

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you become deluded and go for the ugliest mfers just because of their race.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

“He’s saying nothing wrong” LOL of course you’d say that about another self-hating SA.

 

[CFW432]

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you become deluded and go for the ugliest mfers just because of their race.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

I literally dont give one fuck about who curry foids get with lmao. If i myself am trying to ascend with other races of women, i would be a straight hypocrite for trying to stop or criticize curry foids from doing the same.

 

[Gengar]

I literally dont give one fuck about who curry foids get with lmao. If i myself am trying to ascend with other races of women, i would be a straight hypocrite for trying to stop or criticize curry foids from doing the same.

Translation: I don’t care what other self-hating people do, because I’m just as self-hating.

 

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You’re not even fucking white you faggot

 

[CFW432]

Translation: I don’t care what other self-hating people do, because I’m just as self-hating.

lmao if thats how you want to see it then fine lol.

 

[Gengar]

lmao if thats how you want to see it then fine lol.

At least you are honest. OP on the other hand keeps arguing me.

 

[CFW432]

what race are you trying to ascend with

lemme guess MENA

the only race i find attractive in mena are iranians and levantine arabs. But i have a thing for latina foids, and then white foids after.

So latina<iranian<white<levantine arab

But People assume that i dont find curry foids attractive tho lol. As long as they arent dark skin and fat, i have no problem ascending with a brown to lightskin skinny curry foid.

 

[gribsufer1]

You’re not even fucking white you faggot

non of these guys ever mentioned the word white. that's a neo nazi American thing. fuck off. I'm fascist for MY people not whites. they are just cool and provided the example of a racially identitarian society like that.

 

[Deleted member 41390]

non of these guys ever mentioned the word white. that's a neo nazi American thing. fuck off. I'm fascist for MY people not whites. they are just cool and provided the example of a racially identitarian society like that.

@Magnum Opus

 

[i_love_roosters]

Seems like I missed out a good argument, smh

 

[SecularIslamist]

the only race i find attractive in mena are iranians and levantine arabs. But i have a thing for latina foids, and then white foids after.

So latina<iranian<white<levantine arab

But People assume that i dont find curry foids attractive tho lol. As long as they arent dark skin and fat, i have no problem ascending with a brown to lightskin skinny curry foid.

I'm more or less the same. What about Turks or nafris? Lightskins curries and some MENA foids can be phenotypically similar anyway. The former are ideal because of cultural similarities but egos too high in the West.

My female SMV hierarchy goes like this:

Nafri (except Egyptian) > Iranian / Turk > Levant Arab > light skin / north indid curries only > gulf Arabs (inc Egyptians) > Latinos > white > gook > curry > chinkjeet > black

Obviously depends on the girl. Aishwarya Rai (light skin curry), Eliza Ibarra (latino) or Rachel Weisz (White) mogs 99% of all imo. Stacey is Stacey irrespective of race. It's just a fact I find most of them exist in MENA region.

Seems like I missed out a good argument, smh

It's just @Michael Myers accusing curries of self hate because we find people attractive outside our own race, when he's guilty just as much by his own logic

 

[Darktriad16]

I'm more or less the same. What about Turks or nafris? Lightskins curries and some MENA foids can be phenotypically similar anyway. The former are ideal because of cultural similarities but egos too high in the West.

My female SMV hierarchy goes like this:

Nafri (except Egyptian) > Iranian / Turk > Levant Arab > light skin / north indid curries only > gulf Arabs (inc Egyptians) > Latinos > white > gook > curry > chinkjeet > black

Obviously depends on the girl. Aishwarya Rai (light skin curry), Eliza Ibarra (latino) or Rachel Weisz (White) mogs 99% of all imo. Stacey is Stacey irrespective of race. It's just a fact I find most of them exist in MENA region.


It's just @Michael Myers accusing curries of self hate because we find people attractive outside our own race, when he's guilty just as much by his own logic

your so fucking retarded, ur preaching islam while being blackpilled, ur either brain dead or don't know shit abt ur religion

 

[Darktriad16]

"The Hour will not be established till the sun rises from the west, and when it rises (from the west) and the people see it, then all of them will believe (in Allah)."



As per usual it's triggered Iranian diasporas. Future of Islam is the West, not the east. Keep seething.

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ur interpretation of that hadith shows the way u bend the necks of texts to make them fit ur narrative, the hadith is very clearly and is understood by everyone the same, which is that the sun will literally rize from the west which just shows how retarded was muhammad and that he was as dumb as his fellow desert dwelers

 

[SecularIslamist]

ur interpretation of that hadith shows the way u bend the necks of texts to make them fit ur narrative, the hadith is very clearly and is understood by everyone the same, which is that the sun will literally rize from the west which just shows how retarded was muhammad and that he was as dumb as his fellow desert dwelers

Doesn't matter every interpretation has a literal and allegorical meaning. There are planets in even the solar system where the trajectory of the planets mean that sun does rise from the West such as Venus.

 

[Darktriad16]

Doesn't matter every interpretation has a literal and allegorical meaning. There are planets in even the solar system where the trajectory of the planets mean that sun does rise from the West such as Venus.

lmfao u know jack shit abt islam and fiqh stop acting like u know shit abt this, retarded niggas like u make mad ash, ahadith are taken as literal always, and only otherwise if there's something to prove it الحديث يأخذ على ظاهره إلا بقرينة u proly won't even understand this.and ur exemple is just dumb, if other planets see that their sun rise from the west that doesn't make our sun rising from the west possible, it's literally impossible lol

 

[SecularIslamist]

lmfao u know jack shit abt islam and fiqh stop acting like u know shit abt this, retarded niggas like u make mad ash, ahadith are taken as literal always, and only otherwise if there's something to prove it الحديث يأخذ على ظاهره إلا بقرينة u proly won't even understand this.and ur exemple is just dumb, if other planets see that their sun rise from the west that doesn't make our sun rising from the west possible, it's literally impossible lol

No one was even talking fiqh you dumbfuck - does saying fiqh make you feel smarter?

"Literally impossible" = because science says so.

Stfu science is voodoo globohomo shit. Read some Paul Feyrabend.

 

[Darktriad16]

No one was even talking fiqh you dumbfuck - does saying fiqh make you feel smarter?

"Literally impossible" = because science says so.

Stfu science is voodoo globohomo shit. Read some Paul Feyrabend.

fiqh is the study of all islamic shit, and u were talking dumb shit in fiqh;hadith interpretation, which u proved that u are an ignorant lil shit abt.
yes, Science is shit while using a fucking phone build by science and u don't need Science to know it's impossible, u only need ur brain and knowing that the earth is round and the earth is orbiting the sun, which u probably all lack

 

[SecularIslamist]

fiqh is the study of all islamic shit, and u were talking dumb shit in fiqh;hadith interpretation, which u proved that u are an ignorant lil shit abt.

Nigga people fiqh in the context of the shari'ah not kalam - which would include things like splitting of the moon or sun rising from the West. Stfu. A jurist and theologian are two different things you dumb fuck. Latter usually reserved for laws applying to human conduct.

yes, Science is shit while using a fucking phone build by science and u don't need Science to know it's impossible, u only need ur brain and knowing that the earth is round and the earth is orbiting the sun, which u probably all lack

Reason and faith are the same.

 

[Darktriad16]

holy fucking shit, I've never seen someone this ignorant and this arrogant, do u know how dumb u sound?

fiqh in the context of the shari'ah not kalam - which would include things like splitting of the moon or sun rising from the West

this actually might be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard, ur room temperature iq + plus ur confidence makes me mad at how tf did u evolve to be this dumb. I'll teach u abt ur religion, so focus and listen, fiqh is the general term of all islamic studies from quran interpretations to sunna to sharia.... and kalam has literally nothing to do with this lol, kalam is the islamic philosophy that was created during the islamic golden age by muslims like al ghazali. this literally proved that u know nothing abt what ur talking abt, u just hear words and repeat them hoping u will sound intelligent while not understanding them.

Reason and faith are the same.

reason is based on proof faith is based on believing with no proof, and instead of saying random shit that has nothing with what i said just stfu if u could answer

 

[SecularIslamist]

holy fucking shit, I've never seen someone this ignorant and this arrogant, do u know how dumb u sound?

this actually might be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard, ur room temperature iq + plus ur confidence makes me mad at how tf did u evolve to be this dumb. I'll teach u abt ur religion, so focus and listen, fiqh is the general term of all islamic studies from quran interpretations to sunna to sharia.... and kalam has literally nothing to do with this lol, kalam is the islamic philosophy that was created during the islamic golden age by muslims like al ghazali. this literally proved that u know nothing abt what ur talking abt, u just hear words and repeat them hoping u will sound intelligent while not understanding them.

Absolute dumb fuck. In common parlance fiqh is never used in this context. Are you talking about the definition or the real life use of the word? Wtf is the hanafi, maliki or shafii position on the sun rising from the West? There isn't one! Because it's not a PRACTICAL AND HUMAN application of scripture. That's like saying the shari'ah are laws of everything (from laws of physics to laws for apostasy) - which is true, but the everyday use of the term does not encompass the latter.

And kalam isn't islamic philosophy either you turd depsite the interrelations. A falsafa Issh not a mutakallim. A person engaged in kalam deals with doctrines, beliefs, nature of god as explained inthe scriptures and their validity through reason (including sun rising from the West). Islamic philosophy on the other hand isn't tied to religious texts so is more 'secular' in that sense.

You tried to sound smart and instead ended up sounding like a complete clown

reason is based on proof faith is based on believing with no proof, and instead of saying random shit that has nothing with what i said just stfu if u could answer

Science is a form of reason (or not so). You are clearly low IQ take a crash course in the philosophy of science - start with Lakatos, Kuhn and Feyrabend.

Faith and reason are not as oppositional as you think. You can go all the way back to the Greeks.

 

[Darktriad16]

Absolute dumb fuck. In common parlance fiqh is never used in this context. Are you talking about the definition or the real life use of the word? Wtf is the hanafi, maliki or shafii position on the sun rising from the West? There isn't one! Because it's not a PRACTICAL AND HUMAN application of scripture. That's like saying the shari'ah are laws of everything (from laws of physics to laws for apostasy) - which is true, but the everyday use of the term does not encompass the latter.

And kalam isn't islamic philosophy either you turd depsite the interrelations. A falsafa Issh not a mutakallim. A person engaged in kalam deals with doctrines, beliefs, nature of god as explained inthe scriptures and their validity through reason (including sun rising from the West). Islamic philosophy on the other hand isn't tied to religious texts so is more 'secular' in that sense.

You tried to sound smart and instead ended up sounding like a complete clown


Science is a form of reason (or not so). You are clearly low IQ take a crash course in the philosophy of science - start with Lakatos, Kuhn and Feyrabend.

Faith and reason are not as oppositional as you think. You can go all the way back to the Greeks.

this is what happens when u learn ur religion from YouTube, all the scholars agree on the sun rising from the sun(physically rising) as signs of the end of times and ur interpretation is just retarded and shows ur ignorance.
and kalam is literally what i explained, they are philosophers that talk abt islam and the metaphysical world, and falsafa is not philosopher, if u don't understand arabic just stfu and save urself embarrassment, and no one fucking goes to the mutakalimis to know abt the sign of judgment and nature of god.... they are literal just a joke and ahl bidaa thay use their brain instead of scripture lol, if u think ur a salafist ur not, get ur shit together and go learn ur religion from the real scholars.
nigga no gaf if faith and science have sum relationship, why are pulling out retarded subjects instead of defending ur interpretation of the first hadith? and so u stfu abt this subject, here's the definition of faith:strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. and ur saying science snd fsith are the same while science or reason is based totally on logic and 0 spirituality, and u don't look intelligent saying go listen to this go listen to that u just sound like "uhhh go listen to daddy he knows how to answer u" if u could answer urself then u didn't understand shit from what u watched, instead u should argument ur point by arguments not by names. and low iq is what ur doing, can't even think for urself so u need niggas to tell u what to believe and when asked abt ur beliefs ur run to them

 

[SecularIslamist]

this is what happens when u learn ur religion from YouTube, all the scholars agree on the sun rising from the sun(physically rising) as signs of the end of times and ur interpretation is just retarded and shows ur ignorance.
and kalam is literally what i explained, they are philosophers that talk abt islam and the metaphysical world, and falsafa is not philosopher, if u don't understand arabic just stfu and save urself embarrassment, and no one fucking goes to the mutakalimis to know abt the sign of judgment and nature of god.... they are literal just a joke and ahl bidaa thay use their brain instead of scripture lol, if u think ur a salafist ur not, get ur shit together and go learn ur religion from the real scholars.
nigga no gaf if faith and science have sum relationship, why are pulling out retarded subjects instead of defending ur interpretation of the first hadith? and so u stfu abt this subject, here's the definition of faith:strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. and ur saying science snd fsith are the same while science or reason is based totally on logic and 0 spirituality, and u don't look intelligent saying go listen to this go listen to that u just sound like "uhhh go listen to daddy he knows how to answer u" if u could answer urself then u didn't understand shit from what u watched, instead u should argument ur point by arguments not by names. and low iq is what ur doing, can't even think for urself so u need niggas to tell u what to believe and when asked abt ur beliefs ur run to them

You literally don't know the difference between fiqh and aqeedah and the study of it (kalam) - you think they're both the same

This guy is genuinely retarded and convinced he knows what he's talking about. Any idea who he is - likely an ex-Muslim alt? @Fiqh @MaghrebGator @IndraBC

You can't even speak English properly and your talking about speaking Arabic. 'I speak Arabic I know Islam muh muh '. Yeah you need to learn Arabic to have a scholarly understanding, but 99.9% of Arabic speakers don't have a scholarly understanding and get knowledge mogged by non-Arabs nowadays. You're no different to these Arab nationalist retards, who gatekeep Islam. Yet Arabs hardly conttributed to the understanding of Islam most were Persians and Berber. So stfu. Ive read academic books on Islam by both orientalists and non-orientalists - ofc the former would be my first source because they were the ones who wrote / translated the books and my native language is English.

Also on the topic of reason and faith - even the likes of ibn Taymiyyah thought both were in harmony. The fact that you think both are against each other and then mention ghazali who has been at the forefront of this discussion between reason and revelation really shows you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about

But keep barking 'muh muh I speak Arabic '

 

[Darktriad16]

You literally don't know the difference between fiqh and aqeedah and the study of it (kalam) - you think they're both the same

This guy is genuinely retarded and convinced he knows what he's talking about. Any idea who he is - likely an ex-Muslim alt? @Fiqh @MaghrebGator @IndraBC

You can't even speak English properly and your talking about speaking Arabic. 'I speak Arabic I know Islam muh muh '. Yeah you need to learn Arabic to have a scholarly understanding, but 99.9% of Arabic speakers don't have a scholarly understanding and get knowledge mogged by non-Arabs nowadays. You're no different to these Arab nationalist retards, who gatekeep Islam. Yet Arabs hardly conttributed to the understanding of Islam most were Persians and Berber. So stfu. Ive read academic books on Islam by both orientalists and non-orientalists - ofc the former would be my first source because they were the ones who wrote / translated the books and my native language is English.

Also on the topic of reason and faith - even the likes of ibn Taymiyyah thought both were in harmony. The fact that you think both are against each other and then mention ghazali who has been at the forefront of this discussion between reason and revelation really shows you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about

But keep barking 'muh muh I speak Arabic '

what a fucking retard, i don't give a fucking shit if u talk arabic and i dgaf abt arabic and I'm not even arab, i just laughed at how dumb u sounded trying to talk in a language that u don't even know.
save urself embarrassment and learn what tf ur talking abt, kalam has nothing to do with ahadith and their interpretation and with end of times ect... it's literally islamic philosophy to understand allah and know his attributes and to debate with mutazila and other sects, it has 0 correlation with hadiths and their interpretations so don't be dumb, and kalam is literally bs for most scholars and is useless if ur a sunni salafi, maybe if ur a progressive muslim cuck living in the west it may be useful to cope with things u don't like in islam. and u sound like u have an inferiority complex, "uhh I've read books, look at me I've read this book I'm intelligent" no gaf if u read a book, u should use what u learned in that book and not say sum bs like this and embarrass urself, and u talking abt ibn Taymiyyah is funny to me because if he heard the interpretation u said abt this hadith he would spit in ur fucking asshole, so don't shoot urself in the foot and talk abt a salafi scholar that hates fags like u interpreting texts however they like.
godamn I'm done with you, u just proved to me ur that ur iq is not even room temperature it's fucking 0, i talked abt ghazali as an exemple of philosophers that specialized in kalam, i didn't say i agree with him lmfao what a fucking retard u are, and what u don't know is in the end of his life he repented and said philosophy is haram lol and all he said is bs, u probably never heard this in ur bs progressive cuck muslim videos and books where u base all ur knowledge.
and btw the reason i talked abt arabic, is because if the roles were inverted and i was the one who didn't understand arabic, u would've flammed me and said how tf do u talk abt islam while not understanding arabic blah blah

 

[Deleted member 27550]

You literally don't know the difference between fiqh and aqeedah and the study of it (kalam) - you think they're both the same

This guy is genuinely retarded and convinced he knows what he's talking about. Any idea who he is - likely an ex-Muslim alt? @Fiqh @MaghrebGator @IndraBC

You can't even speak English properly and your talking about speaking Arabic. 'I speak Arabic I know Islam muh muh '. Yeah you need to learn Arabic to have a scholarly understanding, but 99.9% of Arabic speakers don't have a scholarly understanding and get knowledge mogged by non-Arabs nowadays. You're no different to these Arab nationalist retards, who gatekeep Islam. Yet Arabs hardly conttributed to the understanding of Islam most were Persians and Berber. So stfu. Ive read academic books on Islam by both orientalists and non-orientalists - ofc the former would be my first source because they were the ones who wrote / translated the books and my native language is English.

Also on the topic of reason and faith - even the likes of ibn Taymiyyah thought both were in harmony. The fact that you think both are against each other and then mention ghazali who has been at the forefront of this discussion between reason and revelation really shows you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about

But keep barking 'muh muh I speak Arabic '

What about Islam is he even trying to argue against?

Also yeah, I’ve seen an influx of these non-Muslims trying to debate against Islam using aqidah. It’s hilarious

Also fuck you for saying I’m irrelevant

 

[SecularIslamist]

what a fucking retard, i don't give a fucking shit if u talk arabic and i dgaf abt arabic and I'm not even arab, i just laughed at how dumb u sounded trying to talk in a language that u don't even know.
save urself embarrassment and learn what tf ur talking abt, kalam has nothing to do with ahadith and their interpretation and with end of times ect... it's literally islamic philosophy to understand allah and know his attributes and to debate with mutazila and other sects, it has 0 correlation with hadiths and their interpretations so don't be dumb, and kalam is literally bs for most scholars and is useless if ur a sunni salafi, maybe if ur a progressive muslim cuck living in the west it may be useful to cope with things u don't like in islam.

Wtf are you even talking about? God's attributes and Islamic eschatology are two diff topics. The mutazila is literally a kalam school of thought who rely heavily on Islamic philosophy. You don't know what you're talking about - clearly have -60 IQ. Salafis belong to athari school of thought. Again nothing to do with fiqh.

His attributes are defined in scripture (quran and hadith) not schools of law.

Again you don't even know the things you are talking about, just mentioning them doesn't mean you know them.

and u sound like u have an inferiority complex, "uhh I've read books, look at me I've read this book I'm intelligent" no gaf if u read a book, u should use what u learned in that book and not say sum bs like this and embarrass urself, and u talking abt ibn Taymiyyah is funny to me because if he heard the interpretation u said abt this hadith he would spit in ur fucking asshole, so don't shoot urself in the foot and talk abt a salafi scholar that hates fags like u interpreting texts however they like.

You are fucking brain-dead. Have a read of John Wallbridges Caliphate of reason and Wael Hallaqs against greek logician. Ibn Taymiyyah isn't as literalist as you think - in his attempt to be ends up contradictory and is nuanced. I can send you a PDF if you like and let's discuss. But you probably won't because you'll find out you have no idea what you're talking about.

godamn I'm done with you, u just proved to me ur that ur iq is not even room temperature it's fucking 0, i talked abt ghazali as an exemple of philosophers that specialized in kalam, i didn't say i agree with him lmfao what a fucking retard u are, and what u don't know is in the end of his life he repented and said philosophy is haram lol and all he said is bs, u probably never heard this in ur bs progressive cuck muslim videos and books where u base all ur knowledge.

Ghazalis problem was with metaphysics not "philosophy" - which at the time included fields such as physics, logic etc. He was the one that who used logic to defend Islam.

and btw the reason i talked abt arabic, is because if the roles were inverted and i was the one who didn't understand arabic, u would've flammed me and said how tf do u talk abt islam while not understanding arabic blah blah

Lmao just saying what Im saying now that's in your head nigga not mine. You're the one who randomly wrote something in Arabic and was like 'muh muh bet you can't read this' so stfu. Like as if that was an argument lmao

 

[Darktriad16]

nigga i ain't got time to loose with a fucking pajeet that is just pulling random subject from his ass to sound like he knows shit just to avoid the primary cause of the argument, which is the retarded interpretation of the hadith, just say sorry i was wrong instead of doing ur mental gymnastic routine outloud.
u say sum dumb shit and when u get corrected u start changing the subject, kalam has nothing to do with fucking ahadith interpretations stop saying bs, and stop avoiding the main subject which is ur interprettion of the hadith.
and the attributes in the scripture are intrepreted differently between sects, salafis take everything as literal achaaira deny them (like god having a hand, or his throne ect...) and intrept them in other ways, so no the attributes of allah is not a subject where everyone agrees.
and if u think ur way knowldgeable than, please enlighten me with ur best proof for islam instead of ur brain masturbation paragraphs .

I can send you a PDF if you like and let's discuss.

sure, i never claim i know everything im always open to learn new things.

You're the one who randomly wrote something in Arabic and was like 'muh muh bet you can't read this' so stfu.

i said it because i didn't how to explain it well in english and said u probably wouldn't understand it, didn't mean anything, or did hurt ur lil ego?

 

[SecularIslamist]

nigga i ain't got time to loose with a fucking pajeet that is just pulling random subject from his ass to sound like he knows shit just to avoid the primary cause of the argument, which is the retarded interpretation of the hadith, just say sorry i was wrong instead of doing ur mental gymnastic routine outloud.

Wtf are you talking about? The interpretation of the hadith whether real or metaphorical is a theological question. I never raised this up YOU did.

u say sum dumb shit and when u get corrected u start changing the subject, kalam has nothing to do with fucking ahadith interpretations stop saying bs, and stop avoiding the main subject which is ur interprettion of the hadith.

It comes down to REASON VS REVELATION you dumbfuck. You said it's scientifically impossible for sun to rise from the West. Quit your fucking yapping whether it physically does or it's metaphorical is exactly a theological debate. In ashari theology (ghazali / Al razi) when science contradicts revelation (including hadith) than there is something wrong with interpretation of revelation, when revelation contradicts science there is something wrong with the science. Especially the apparent and hidden/esoteric meaning of the verses or hadiths.

Why are you moving from one line of argument to another.

and the attributes in the scripture are intrepreted differently between sects, salafis take everything as literal achaaira deny them (like god having a hand, or his throne ect...) and intrept them in other ways, so no the attributes of allah is not a subject where everyone agrees.
and if u think ur way knowldgeable than, please enlighten me with ur best proof for islam instead of ur brain masturbation paragraphs .

I'm not trying to "prove" Islam to you JFL if you think I was somehow trying to do that. I was simply explaining the difference between fiqh and theology - you seem not to know the difference between the two. Now I'm explaining with theology is as well - because it seems you had no idea what this was either.

You're no longer claiming this is a fiqh issue - maybe you've admitted you had no idea what you was talking about earlier...

sure, i never claim i know everything im always open to learn new things.

i said it because i didn't how to explain it well in english and said u probably wouldn't understand it, didn't mean anything, or did hurt ur lil ego?

No I don't care. You're the one who raised up the "I understand Arabic muh muh" - I simply responded so what? Doesn't mean shit. You think that hurt my ego JFL. Another projection.

 

[Darktriad16]

Wtf are you talking about? The interpretation of the hadith whether real or metaphorical is a theological question. I never raised this up YOU did.

yes i raised this question and it is the primary reason we started this bs, in islam it's not abt u interpreting texts however u like to make them fit ur narrative, this what i hate abt western muslim cucks, atleast be a based salafi and be proud of ur bs.

It comes down to REASON VS REVELATION you dumbfuck. You said it's scientifically impossible for sun to rise from the West. Quit your fucking yapping whether it physically does or it's metaphorical is exactly a theological debate. In ashari theology (ghazali / Al razi) when science contradicts revelation (including hadith) than there is something wrong with interpretation of revelation, when revelation contradicts science there is something wrong with the science. Especially the apparent and hidden/esoteric meaning of the verses or hadiths.

Why are you moving from one line of argument to another.

al ghazali repented from his acts and said he was wrong abt this, and 90% sunni scholars agree that if science disagrees with scripture science is considered wrong. if u believe reason is upper to revelation i aint arguing with ur retarded ass because ur just contadicting true islam which is salafism, and i don't like to argue with non salafi muslims because it's like playing with a lil kid, always bendin the rules to win. when u actually grow up to assume ur religion come debate but now ur just a cuck.

I'm not trying to "prove" Islam to you JFL if you think I was somehow trying to do that. I was simply explaining the difference between fiqh and theology - you seem not to know the difference between the two. Now I'm explaining with theology is as well - because it seems you had no idea what this was either.

nope, i told u to proved know ik u wasn't trying to do it, so if u have sum balls go ahead and don't come up with excuses.this the most important part, u can skip all the other bs and not answer it and only answer this so we both save our time,

You're no longer claiming this is a fiqh issue - maybe you've admitted you had no idea what you was talking about earlier...

i was wrong earlier and i don't feel ashamed to say i was wrong, but u can't say u were wrong saying kalam is what talks abt hadith interpretation because it will hurt ur ego lol

No I don't care. You're the one who raised up the "I understand Arabic muh muh" - I simply responded so what? Doesn't mean shit. You think that hurt my ego JFL. Another projection.

didn't say that, and i explained and if u don't wanna understand then fuck you lol.

 

[SecularIslamist]

yes i raised this question and it is the primary reason we started this bs, in islam it's not abt u interpreting texts however u like to make them fit ur narrative, this what i hate abt western muslim cucks, atleast be a based salafi and be proud of ur bs.

Stfu interpretation of texts has multiple applications - they can be extended and have a wide range of application. This is why the shari'ah exists.

al ghazali repented from his acts and said he was wrong abt this, and 90% sunni scholars agree that if science disagrees with scripture science is considered wrong. if u believe reason is upper to revelation i aint arguing with ur retarded ass because ur just contadicting true islam which is salafism, and i don't like to argue with non salafi muslims because it's like playing with a lil kid, always bendin the rules to win. when u actually grow up to assume ur religion come debate but now ur just a cuck.

Omg you are fucking dumb AF, more nuanced then that. It's fucking funny you think I watch YouTube videos and you're explaining this entire reason vs revelation debate like a fucking retard whi read the blurb of a book.

This is why ghazali said the average layman (including myself) shouldn't involve himself on such matters.

nope, i told u to proved know ik u wasn't trying to do it, so if u have sum balls go ahead and don't come up with excuses.this the most important part, u can skip all the other bs and not answer it and only answer this so we both save our time,

I'm not trying to 'prove" Islam to you. I'm not that naive and I can tell you've become so secularised and removed from the sacred - even talking about absurdism in the other thread. You're reading your own insecurities in my posts.

i was wrong earlier and i don't feel ashamed to say i was wrong, but u can't say u were wrong saying kalam is what talks abt hadith interpretation because it will hurt ur ego lol

If you were wrong about this very basic thing you have no idea what else you're talking about.

When did I say kalam talks about hadith interpretation? I said it's only when matters of belief comes into play - which are derived from hadiths.

didn't say that, and i explained and if u don't wanna understand then fuck you lol.

LMAO scroll up you retard. You literally wrote in Arabic and was like bet you don't even know what this means lmao. Just stfu.

 

[Darktriad16]

Stfu interpretation of texts has multiple applications - they can be extended and have a wide range of application. This is why the shari'ah exists.

no all texts have been intrpreted by the prophet or his companions as ibn taymiya said, adding new intrpretations is an inovation and every innovation is in hell
u fucking retard sharia is just laws it includes only the law that governe society and doesn't talk abt all the texts and explain them, but it's ok, happens to the best of us.

Omg you are fucking dumb AF, more nuanced then that. It's fucking funny you think I watch YouTube videos and you're explaining this entire reason vs revelation debate like a fucking retard whi read the blurb of a book.

This is why ghazali said the average layman (including myself) shouldn't involve himself on such matters.

so instead of answering what i said u just said a whole lot of nothing?

I'm not trying to 'prove" Islam to you. I'm not that naive and I can tell you've become so secularised and removed from the sacred - even talking about absurdism in the other thread. You're reading your own insecurities in my posts.

lmfao as expected from a fucking retard, it's easy to talk a lot of shit and think ur the shit, but this question puts all dumb fucks in their place, next time just stfu and save urself embarassment u can't even prove ur fucking relition jfl. and im asking u for proof to make me come back to the sacred u retard u want me to be already a musli to prove it to me.

If you were wrong about this very basic thing you have no idea what else you're talking about.

u did 10x this mistake u dumb fuck. i just stopped and admitted i was wrong there u literally said more retarded shit and u ignore it when i point it out just stfu, nigga said kalam is what explains hadiths

When did I say kalam talks about hadith interpretation? I said it's only when matters of belief comes into play - which are derived from hadiths.

kalam plays literally no fucking role in islam u fucking retard, uses kalam to interpretate hadiths or faith things, we use other hadiths, quran and the saying of the salaf, this is basic shit, kalam is literal bs and an inovation.

LMAO scroll up you retard. You literally wrote in Arabic and was like bet you don't even know what this means lmao. Just stfu.

did i lie?? u didn't understand it why tf are u so butthurt abt it? do want an apology?

justs stfu and save urself further embarassment couldn't give 1 proof of his religion jfl.

 

[smoth]

 

[SecularIslamist]

no all texts have been intrpreted by the prophet or his companions as ibn taymiya said, adding new intrpretations is an inovation and every innovation is in hell

No one would dispute that - not even mutazilites. Not every "innovation" is bad/haram/shirk (bid'ah hasana).

u fucking retard sharia is just laws it includes only the law that governe society and doesn't talk abt all the texts and explain them, but it's ok, happens to the best of us.

You dumb fuck it's the application of laws relating to human conduct derived from scripture and extending them to include new circumstances via ijtihad.

so instead of answering what i said u just said a whole lot of nothing?

It's not my fault you haven't read the works of of people you're talking about.

I'm not saying I'm an expert on theology but clearly know the fucking basics. You literally a fucking impressionable cuck who opened up Islam for basics and thinks he knows everything.

lmfao as expected from a fucking retard, it's easy to talk a lot of shit and think ur the shit, but this question puts all dumb fucks in their place, next time just stfu and save urself embarassment u can't even prove ur fucking relition jfl. and im asking u for proof to make me come back to the sacred u retard u want me to be already a musli to prove it to me.

I'm not trying to make you come back to Islam JFL. Why do you even think that? That's you thinking it not me.

If you're gonna argue about Islam at least know the fucking basics of what you're arguing. Even if you was a Muslim I still would've called you a dumbfuck who doesn't know what theyre talking about.

u did 10x this mistake u dumb fuck. i just stopped and admitted i was wrong there u literally said more retarded shit and u ignore it when i point it out just stfu, nigga said kalam is what explains hadiths

I was talking about REASON VS REVELATION you fucking idiot. Hadiths are a form of revelation JFL.

kalam plays literally no fucking role in islam u fucking retard, uses kalam to interpretate hadiths or faith things, we use other hadiths, quran and the saying of the salaf, this is basic shit, kalam is literal bs and an inovation.

If you think kalam is BS than you've conflated salafi understandings of Islam with Islam.

Also I'm fucking saying for the 100th time now: kalam (the study of aqeedah) is for defending and defining the beliefs of Islam. That's different to fiqh. Both use the quran and hadiths as sources of their epistemology. And yes that includes INTERPRETATION of things like God sitting on his throne (aqeedah) or determining when and how to pray (fiqh). Whether they're from the hadith or quran.

did i lie?? u didn't understand it why tf are u so butthurt abt it? do want an apology?

justs stfu and save urself further embarassment couldn't give 1 proof of his religion jfl.

Yeah I don't understand Arabic. You want a medal for speaking a language 100s of millions of people speak?

Again I'm not trying to give proof of Islam. I'm literally EXPLAINING elementary basics. An actual educated ex-Muslim about Islam could do the same thing. Fr an ex-Muslim who actually studied Islam would see you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Yeah I don't understand Arabic.

imagine reciting a profession of faith, 5 daily prayers, surahs, etc—AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK YOU’RE SAYING

LMAO.

It is over for non-Arab Muslims. The cuckery is disturbing.

 

[SecularIslamist]

imagine reciting a profession of faith, 5 daily prayers, surahs, etc—AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK YOU’RE SAYING

LMAO.

It is over for non-Arab Muslims. The cuckery is disturbing.

Translations exist you know. Arabic is only important when it comes to acts of prayers - for theological reasons because it the quran was revealed as speech of God. Maintaining it as such is part and parcel of preventing innovation and ensuring it remains pristine.

The books of the bible were written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. So what? The fact that you underplay this is reason why Christianity has become cucked. If you lose control of language you lose control of scripture.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Translations exist you know. Arabic is only important when it comes to acts of prayers - for theological reasons because it the quran was revealed as speech of God. Maintaining it as such is part and parcel of preventing innovation and ensuring it remains pristine.

The books of the bible were written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. So what? The fact that you underplay this is reason why Christianity has become cucked. If you lose control of language you lose control of scripture.

Already answered this stupid objection of yours

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Without lies Islam dies

These niggas don’t even worship the same god as us they worship “king of deceivers” no wonder these chunters belive that Allah fooled ppl into thinking Jesus died on the cross JFL

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[Darktriad16]

No one would dispute that - not even mutazilites. Not every "innovation" is bad/haram/shirk (bid'ah hasana).

there's no bidaa hasana lmfao that's just a cope the hadith is very very clear it is a total prohibition of all inovation, it didn't say only bad inovations are bad.

You dumb fuck it's the application of laws relating to human conduct derived from scripture and extending them to include new circumstances via ijtihad.

that's what i fucking i said, ijtihad doesn't give people to change laws it's just in the domain where the prophet didn't go in detail and to new things like ahkam of crypto and new things, and ijtihad is based mostly on other texts. but u what u said is sharia is what explains texts which is fucking wrong stfu.

It's not my fault you haven't read the works of of people you're talking about.

I'm not saying I'm an expert on theology but clearly know the fucking basics. You literally a fucking impressionable cuck who opened up Islam for basics and thinks he knows everything.

nigga u have nothing to do with islam, islam has nothing to do with the bs ur saying reason plays a minimal to non existant role in islam and text intrepretations u just love to understand texts however u like, and where did say something wrong abt the people i brought up?? ibn taymiya? al ghazali??

I'm not trying to make you come back to Islam JFL. Why do you even think that? That's you thinking it not me.

If you're gonna argue about Islam at least know the fucking basics of what you're arguing. Even if you was a Muslim I still would've called you a dumbfuck who doesn't know what theyre talking about.

didn't say that, i said prove ur religion u lil ignorant shit, and ur talking a whole lot of nothing, do u think the basics of islam is the bullshit we were talking abt ?? that literally has nothing to do with islam and is just philosophy, that means nothing lmfao, that's why i told u to get to the real shit which is to prove ur religion and see if u know shit abt ur religion or ur just a progressive muslim cuck that has nothing more than "muh uh islamic philosophy"

I was talking about REASON VS REVELATION you fucking idiot. Hadiths are a form of revelation JFL.

If you think kalam is BS than you've conflated salafi understandings of Islam with Islam.

kalam is bs, did the prophet or the companies engage in it? no so it's bs

Also I'm fucking saying for the 100th time now: kalam (the study of aqeedah) is for defending and defining the beliefs of Islam. That's different to fiqh. Both use the quran and hadiths as sources of their epistemology. And yes that includes INTERPRETATION of things like God sitting on his throne (aqeedah) or determining when and how to pray (fiqh). Whether they're from the hadith or quran.

kalam is not what we use when we talk abt defending and defining islamic beliefs u fucking retard kalam is just islamic philosophy that tries to reconcile logic and scripture, no fucking talks abt kalam when talking abt ahadith and interpretations of scripture u fucking retard

Yeah I don't understand Arabic. You want a medal for speaking a language 100s of millions of people speak?

Again I'm not trying to give proof of Islam. I'm literally EXPLAINING elementary basics. An actual educated ex-Muslim about Islam could do the same thing. Fr an ex-Muslim who actually studied Islam would see you have no idea what you're talking about.

u literally sound like a dumb retarded convert that learned islam from ali dawah and sum retard on yt, islam has nothing to do with the bs ur talking abt this is a philosophical area which i don't gaf abt and u actally know nothing abt how hadith interpretation work, let alone interpretation of the quran jfl that would be shit show lmao. just stfu u could give 1 proof for ur religion so u better shut ur dumb mouth.
if u think i know nothing abt islam then please give me one proof of islam instead of running and crying and saying a whole lot of nothing, is 1 proof that hard?

 

[SecularIslamist]

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Already answered this stupid objection of yours

That was a dumb fucking answer and didn't answer what I said. Language is what shapes thoughts and perceptions of reality. It's a transmitter of culture. Why do you think many angloids who speak English are degenerate? Learning English is a very dangerous thing as it exposed one to culture, norms and different values.

Old testament is hebrew is it not? Not that new testes Christcucks care.

And Islam didn't replace other cultures and it's not Arab supremacy (except certain parts of Ummayads rule). Just kys. Just coz Muslims pray or go to hajj that means they're "Arab" JFL.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Learning English is a very dangerous thing as it exposed one to culture, norms and different values.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I can only imagine that this is what the sand monkeys who came to Bangladesh told you little curries.

“Umm yeahhhh, God actually says you need to keep this shit in Arabic. Other languages are…dangerous!! Arabic is pure, special, and the language of God”

You: “Yes sheikh, you are sooo right , how do you say the word god again?? Also, sheikh, did you know that I’m actually not even curry, my great great great great great grandfather is Arab I don’t belong here with these curries, I’m just doing charity work! I’m Arab!! ”

 

[SecularIslamist]

there's no bidaa hasana lmfao that's just a cope the hadith is very very clear it is a total prohibition of all inovation, it didn't say only bad inovations are bad.

Then keep coping. You sound like the only Islam you know is Salafi Islam - even then you don't know the nuances.

that's what i fucking i said, ijtihad doesn't give people to change laws it's just in the domain where the prophet didn't go in detail and to new things like ahkam of crypto and new things, and ijtihad is based mostly on other texts. but u what u said is sharia is what explains texts which is fucking wrong stfu.

Where tf did I say shari'ah explain texts.

And what do you mean based on 'other texts' scripture is scripture.

nigga u have nothing to do with islam, islam has nothing to do with the bs ur saying reason plays a minimal to non existant role in islam and text intrepretations u just love to understand texts however u like, and where did say something wrong abt the people i brought up?? ibn taymiya? al ghazali??

You sa

didn't say that, i said prove ur religion u lil ignorant shit, and ur talking a whole lot of nothing, do u think the basics of islam is the bullshit we were talking abt ?? that literally has nothing to do with islam and is just philosophy, that means nothing lmfao, that's why i told u to get to the real shit which is to prove ur religion and see if u know shit abt ur religion or ur just a progressive muslim cuck that has nothing more than "muh uh islamic philosophy"

kalam is bs, did the prophet or the companies engage in it? no so it's bs

Again Salafi bs. Just kys. Any Muslim who is not Salafi is not Muslim. Okay then lol.

kalam is not what we use when we talk abt defending and defining islamic beliefs u fucking retard kalam is just islamic philosophy that tries to reconcile logic and scripture, no fucking talks abt kalam when talking abt ahadith and interpretations of scripture u fucking retard

Kalam is not Islamic philosophy - I've already explained the difference and overlaps. OMFG just fucking take a look at Wikipedia. The latter is often espoused by Mutazilites and they go out of the scope of kalam but within the scope of an Islamic framework but are more secular. Holy fuk!

@Eternal_ @i_love_roosters can you two explain the difference to this nigga?

You both hate Islam but I presume not as ignorant as to know difference between theology (study of aqeedah), islamic philosophy (study of let's say Aristotle in Islamic framework) and fiqh (study of laws relating to human conduct). This nigga doesn't understand differences between them only arguing coz I'm Muslim - don't have to be Muslim to know difference.

u literally sound like a dumb retarded convert that learned islam from ali dawah and sum retard on yt, islam has nothing to do with the bs ur talking abt this is a philosophical area which i don't gaf abt and u actally know nothing abt how hadith interpretation work, let alone interpretation of the quran jfl that would be shit show lmao. just stfu u could give 1 proof for ur religion so u better shut ur dumb mouth.
if u think i know nothing abt islam then please give me one proof of islam instead of running and crying and saying a whole lot of nothing, is 1 proof that hard?

Bro stfu you're the one who bought up YouTube and Arabic. You're the one who came in here claiming they know more than anyone because you speak Arabic and accused others of watching YouTube. When I tell you I'll send you books by John Wallbridges and Wael Hallaq on ibn Taymiyyah so we can discuss his thoughts you don't want to talk.

 

[ominion]

If you never experienced teenage love it's over and you will never be unconditionally loved as a man. Blackpillers fail to understand and cope with this shit just geomaxx bro, just escortmaxx bro JFL bro

 

[SecularIslamist]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I can only imagine that this is what the sand monkeys who came to Bangladesh told you little curries.

“Umm yeahhhh, God actually says you need to keep this shit in Arabic. Other languages are…dangerous!! Arabic is pure, special, and the language of God”

You: “Yes sheikh, you are sooo right , how do you say the word god again?? Also, sheikh, did you know that I’m actually not even curry, my great great great great great grandfather is Arab I don’t belong here with these curries, I’m just doing charity work! I’m Arab!! ”

I don't say anything like that - it's low IQ curries, Pakis especially . If you've read my posts you'll know I have nothing but scorn for Arabs outside the first few generations. They contributed very little outside the Ummayads period. Islam was carried on the backs of Turks and Persians for centuries. No wonder there is a hadith that Islam will end up becoming a foreign/strange religion. Nationalism is shirk.

 

[Darktriad16]

Then keep coping. You sound like the only Islam you know is Salafi Islam - even then you don't know the nuances.

ur the one coing lmfao gave u the reasoning why there is no good bidaa and instead of responding to the reasoning u just start crying muh uh salafism

Where tf did I say shari'ah explain texts.

And what do you mean based on 'other texts' scripture is scripture.

and u say i don't have the basics what a fucking retard jfl, it's using another verse or hadith that is already well understood that talks abt the same subject of the text we want to understand, and use it to either understand what was meant by a word or an expression, or if it is to be taken literally or metaphorically......

You sa



Again Salafi bs. Just kys. Any Muslim who is not Salafi is not Muslim. Okay then lol.

saying salafi bulshit while talking abt ibn Taymiyyah jfl, every muslim that it isn't salafi is on the wrong path not a kaffir tho

Kalam is not Islamic philosophy - I've already explained the difference and overlaps. OMFG just fucking take a look at Wikipedia. The latter is often espoused by Mutazilites and they go out of the scope of kalam but within the scope of an Islamic framework but are more secular. Holy fuk!

kalam is not in the islamic scope u fucking retard have a read it's in arabic just translate it or ur probably gonna find an english version

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamweb.net/amp/ar/fatwa/279490/

@Eternal_ @i_love_roosters can you two explain the difference to this nigga?

You both hate Islam but I presume not as ignorant as to know difference between theology (study of aqeedah), islamic philosophy (study of let's say Aristotle in Islamic framework) and fiqh (study of laws relating to human conduct). This nigga doesn't understand differences between them only arguing coz I'm Muslim - don't have to be Muslim to know difference.

u just make me wanna throw up at how dumb and arrogant u are, kalam is fucking islamic philosophy used to understand god, there's no big scholar that talks abt kalam as an important part of islam, in contrary most believe it's an innovation, u saying kalam is what muslims call the study of aqeedah is just retarded

Bro stfu you're the one who bought up YouTube and Arabic. You're the one who came in here claiming they know more than anyone because you speak Arabic and accused others of watching YouTube

why tf are so much butthurt abt arabic??? I've never claimed I'm better than someone because they don't understand arabic u just have an insecurity of not understanding arabic

. When I tell you I'll send you books by John Wallbridges and Wael Hallaq on ibn Taymiyyah so we can discuss his thoughts you don't want to talk.

lmfao i told u send them so we can discuss are dumb

 

[SecularIslamist]

ur the one coing lmfao gave u the reasoning why there is no good bidaa and instead of responding to the reasoning u just start crying muh uh salafism

It's precisely you conflating Salafism with Islam dumb nigga. Did some Salafi teacher fuck you in the ass when younger?

and u say i don't have the basics what a fucking retard jfl, it's using another verse or hadith that is already well understood that talks abt the same subject of the text we want to understand, and use it to either understand what was meant by a word or an expression, or if it is to be taken literally or metaphorically......

Wtf you talking about here? You're literally going in circles talking about different issues. I just explained what the shari'ah was and you keep straw manning talking about other random shit like a schizo.

saying salafi bulshit while talking abt ibn Taymiyyah jfl, every muslim that it isn't salafi is on the wrong path not a kaffir tho

Every Sunni Muslim follows way of the salaf - only retards like you conflate it with a movement that sprang up in the last 100-200 years claiming descendency from ibn Taymiyyah.

kalam is not in the islamic scope u fucking retard have a read it's in arabic just translate it or ur probably gonna find an english version

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamweb.net/amp/ar/fatwa/279490/

u just make me wanna throw up at how dumb and arrogant u are, kalam is fucking islamic philosophy used to understand god, there's no big scholar that talks abt kalam as an important part of islam, in contrary most believe it's an innovation, u saying kalam is what muslims call the study of aqeedah is just retarded

Bruh stfu you didn't explain how islamic philosophy isn't kalam. Using logic (a discipline of philosophy) doesn't fucking mean it isn't kalam. A mathematician uses logic as well doesn't mean he isn't dealing with maths.

Tell me where "most" find it innovation? Do you think the Egyptian scholars at al-Azhar, the Turkish diyanet, or scholars in central or south Asia think kalam is bullshit when they're literally ashari / maturidi themselves

why tf are so much butthurt abt arabic??? I've never claimed I'm better than someone because they don't understand arabic u just have an insecurity of not understanding arabic

lmfao i told u send them so we can discuss are dumb

It was fucking YOU acting all narcy you know Arabic. It's fucking laughable.

 

[Darktriad16]

It's precisely you conflating Salafism with Islam dumb nigga. Did some Salafi teacher fuck you in the ass when younger?

nope, i said bidis always haram have any objection? no so stfu

Wtf you talking about here? You're literally going in circles talking about different issues. I just explained what the shari'ah was and you keep straw manning talking about other random shit like a schizo.

u asked how do we use texts to explain scripture do u have alzheimer?

Every Sunni Muslim follows way of the salaf - only retards like you conflate it with a movement that sprang up in the last 100-200 years claiming descendency from ibn Taymiyyah.

nope, u clearly don't follow the salaf lmfao, did the salaf engage in kalam no so stfu a d stop contracting urself

Bruh stfu you didn't explain how islamic philosophy isn't kalam. Using logic (a discipline of philosophy) doesn't fucking mean it isn't kalam. A mathematician uses logic as well doesn't mean he isn't dealing with maths.

I've literally said islamic philosophy is kalam lmao, I've said that kalam is not aqeedah and the study of the unseen, signs of judgment......

Tell me where "most" find it innovation? Do you think the Egyptian scholars at al-Azhar, the Turkish diyanet, or scholars in central or south Asia think kalam is bullshit when they're literally ashari / maturidi themselves

lmfao ofc, they are ashaira ahl bidaa too leaving the very clear hadiths that give to allah his physical attribute and say muh uh but it's not logical lmao

It was fucking YOU acting all narcy you know Arabic. It's fucking laughable.

i did not, but since u don't wanna let it go let's talk abt how u not understanding arabic makes u unable to have a debate in islamic studies especially in interpretation of texts, because u fucking retard read a godamn traduction which is fucking shit, so yes u can't debate texts while u don't understand arabic which rules out 80% of islam lol, so don't ever try to talk abt shit ur ignorant abt

 

[Darktriad16]

It's precisely you conflating Salafism with Islam dumb nigga. Did some Salafi teacher fuck you in the ass when younger?

Wtf you talking about here? You're literally going in circles talking about different issues. I just explained what the shari'ah was and you keep straw manning talking about other random shit like a schizo.

Every Sunni Muslim follows way of the salaf - only retards like you conflate it with a movement that sprang up in the last 100-200 years claiming descendency from ibn Taymiyyah.

Bruh stfu you didn't explain how islamic philosophy isn't kalam. Using logic (a discipline of philosophy) doesn't fucking mean it isn't kalam. A mathematician uses logic as well doesn't mean he isn't dealing with maths.

Tell me where "most" find it innovation? Do you think the Egyptian scholars at al-Azhar, the Turkish diyanet, or scholars in central or south Asia think kalam is bullshit when they're literally ashari / maturidi themselves


It was fucking YOU acting all narcy you know Arabic. It's fucking laughable.

and fucking lil faggot still talking to me while u couldn't even give 1 proof of ur religion lmao just stfu u think someone gaf abt kalam or sum random bs, why are u so fucking ashamed of ur religion can't even defend it and give 1 single proof, and u said u read ibn Taymiyyah's works so u would atleast one of the thousand proofs that prove muhammad is a prophet or u just want to talk abt irrelevant shit?

 

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Are there Muslims who are NOT fanatics?

 

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nope, i said bidis always haram have any objection? no so stfu

Is using a microphone at a mosque haram? That is also bid'ah.

u asked how do we use texts to explain scripture do u have alzheimer?

Yes is that within the realm of fiqh or aqeedah. You conflate the two because you didnt know the difference..now you extended the point beyond our original talking point

nope, u clearly don't follow the salaf lmfao, did the salaf engage in kalam no so stfu a d stop contracting urself

Did the salaf come across greek thought? No. Kalam only appeared after translation of ancient Greeks.

I've literally said islamic philosophy is kalam lmao, I've said that kalam is not aqeedah and the study of the unseen, signs of judgment......

You didn't know what fiqh is (which you've admitted) and now you don't know what kalam (or islamic philosophy) is. Just gtdi

lmfao ofc, they are ashaira ahl bidaa too leaving the very clear hadiths that give to allah his physical attribute and say muh uh but it's not logical lmao

So almost all Sunni Muslims follow directives by scholars who are not Muslim. Okay stfu. Like I said you're just a brain-dead retard who was probably fucked in the ass and traumatised by some Salafi teacher.

i did not, but since u don't wanna let it go let's talk abt how u not understanding arabic makes u unable to have a debate in islamic studies especially in interpretation of texts, because u fucking retard read a godamn traduction which is fucking shit, so yes u can't debate texts while u don't understand arabic which rules out 80% of islam lol, so don't ever try to talk abt shit ur ignorant abt

Hahahhaha so you did want to argue this point? "I know Arabic muh muh therefore everything I say is true "